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Post by Mickmack on Oct 24, 2014 7:08:23 GMT
the two Aidens are the biggest omissions....O'Mahoney and O'Se.
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Post by glengael on Oct 24, 2014 9:42:43 GMT
Paul Murphy 4th different Rathmore All Star of the modern(post 1996) era.
Peter Crowley joins MFR and Liam Hassett in the Laune Rangers All stars list.
David Moran.Is he the first Kerins O'Rahilly's All Star since Sean Walsh? How many did Ogie get in his day?
Kieran Donaghy, his first since 2008 if I recall , continues the great tradition of Stack's forwards.
James O'Donoghue. 2 in a row.
Well done to them and to all the winners.
I'll be waiting with bated breath (not)to see how many Kilkenny get.
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Post by playitfair on Oct 24, 2014 9:43:21 GMT
I would agree and add Gary Brennan of Clare as the biggest omissions. He was terrific against Kerry and had many impressive games subsequently.
While I am a fan of James McCarthy, I agree with all the comments about his semi-final.
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 24, 2014 12:04:55 GMT
Agree with lots of the above fitzwop, and very sound logic applied. But if I don't agree that Kerry should have lots of All Stars and D.Walsh is a workhorse someone tell me to to go back to Hoganstand. Lovely! Again, for the umpteenth time, Aidan O'Mahoney should have got one, and James McCarthy was lucky to get one. Think Flynn and Connolly deserved one, especially the latter, overlooked before on too many occasions.
The elephant in the room lads, James O'Donoghue, POTY nominee and the favourite, didn't score in the final. Now can you imagine the reaction on here if Bernard Brogan or Connolly didn't score in the final and they were nominated for POTY. Uproar I say! For what it's worth, I think he will be a deserving winner, despite not doing his job in the final, because I'll judge his efforts over the whole of the championship, and the league if you wish.
The issue that most on here have is that Dublin faced no opposition all year (league doesn't count I was told), and on their biggest day they flopped, hence they should get little recognition when the All Stars are handed out. Which is fine, but lets change the rules when it comes to judging Kerry's darling, ie; lets overlook the fact that James did not trouble the scoreboard. So, on Kerry's biggest day, James didn't do it. Zero people on here have mentioned this. He worked hard though, which makes him a Donnacha Walsh lite, and not what he's in the team for. And just to show I'm not a total basket case, my Kerry All Stars would be:
Murphy O'Mahony Moran Donaghy O'Donoghue
Walsh must have been close but loses out to accomodate Michael Murphy. I think Crowley was lucky enough, in the absence of an outstanding centre back this year.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 24, 2014 12:12:59 GMT
Agree with lots of the above fitzwop, and very sound logic applied. But if I don't agree that Kerry should have lots of All Stars and D.Walsh is a workhorse someone tell me to to go back to Hoganstand. Lovely! Again, for the umpteenth time, Aidan O'Mahoney should have got one, and James McCarthy was lucky to get one. Think Flynn and Connolly deserved one, especially the latter, overlooked before on too many occasions. The elephant in the room lads, James O'Donoghue, POTY nominee and the favourite, didn't score in the final. Now can you imagine the reaction on here if Bernard Brogan or Connolly didn't score in the final and they were nominated for POTY. Uproar I say! For what it's worth, I think he will be a deserving winner, despite not doing his job in the final, because I'll judge his efforts over the whole of the championship, and the league if you wish. The issue that most on here have is that Dublin faced no opposition all year (league doesn't count I was told), and on their biggest day they flopped, hence they should get little recognition when the All Stars are handed out. Which is fine, but lets change the rules when it comes to judging Kerry's darling, ie; lets overlook the fact that James did not trouble the scoreboard. So, on Kerry's biggest day, James didn't do it. Zero people on here have mentioned this. He worked hard though, which makes him a Donnacha Walsh lite, and not what he's in the team for. And just to show I'm not a total basket case, my Kerry All Stars would be: Murphy O'Mahony Moran Donaghy O'Donoghue Walsh must have been close but loses out to accomodate Michael Murphy. I think Crowley was lucky enough, in the absence of an outstanding centre back this year. Sure didn't that happen in 2010 when Bernard didn't even play in the final! James had the most possession in the All-Ireland and dictated alot of play in the second half, set up scores, etc. He sacrificed his own game for the greater good. Sam in the bag and job done I would say
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 12:23:30 GMT
James had a specific job in the final and did as instructed.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 24, 2014 13:01:55 GMT
WUM
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 24, 2014 13:34:25 GMT
I don't think he's a WUM. As I am not for Dublin --- or an avid watcher of their games --- for years I couldn't get the fuss about Paul Flynn. However this year I finally saw his worth. SBZ does not see the worth of D Walsh and did not appreciate the work of JOD in the AIF. SBZ; watch D Walsh for the first ten minutes of a match: it is incredible what he gets up to. He doesn't score many points but ghosts into great positions and has a great knack of scoring goals. Whatever about AOM; it does grate with me that D Walsh got no All Star this year nor last year. I think he was more deserving than JOD last year.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 24, 2014 13:54:26 GMT
I don't think he's a WUM. As I am not for Dublin --- or an avid watcher of their games --- for years I couldn't get the fuss about Paul Flynn. However this year I finally saw his worth. SBZ does not see the worth of D Walsh and did not appreciate the work of JOD in the AIF. SBZ; watch D Walsh for the first ten minutes of a match: it is incredible what he gets up to. He doesn't score many points but ghosts into great positions and has a great knack of scoring goals. Whatever about AOM; it does grate with me that D Walsh got no All Star this year nor last year. I think he was more deserving than JOD last year. I'm referring to the comment regarding JOD in relation to POTY only.
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Post by seamo on Oct 24, 2014 15:21:52 GMT
Please don't give RTE the ratings. Just don't watch the farce, I certainly won't be.
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Post by southward on Oct 24, 2014 17:22:13 GMT
The disappointment re Walsh is probably exacerbated by the fact that he's never got one. Some guys just aren't trendy, I suppose
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Post by southward on Oct 24, 2014 17:27:37 GMT
There would be a bubble of dis-satisfaction under the wallpaper either way, no mater what way the all stars are picked. The shame of last year is that Connolly was left out of the all stars. Imagine that. AOM is the person who loses out this year, and to a lesser extent, Ryan McHugh. I am at a loss as to why James McCarthy was in the line up this year, i didnt even notice him on the pitch the day we played him. If there was a player who possibly could be re-selected for someone else I would look at him. Monaghan, Meath, Armagh and Cork would be the other teams that could have coughed up an all star between them, Armagh being the most lively of them all, but they had no stand out player either. I am sure they will be up there next year, defo the year after. I would have a bit of an issue with leaving both Ryan Mchugh or Murphy off the team. At least one of them got one, and that is all you can realistically hope for at the end of the day. You probably didn't notice any of their other backs either
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Post by southward on Oct 24, 2014 17:33:18 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 24, 2014 17:51:44 GMT
To put Dublin 3 awards in 2014 into content;
In 2010 Kerry got one all star...Colm Cooper. That year they lost the QF to Down and Colms "one man show" against Down wasn't enough. They did win the provincial title I think but so what.
In 2012 Kerry lost to the eventual all Ireland champions by 2 points in the QF. In a frantic finish Karl Lacey kicks a point to put Donegal 2 clear and safe. I think Kerry were provincial chanps that year...not sure. Kerry got no all star.
In 2013 Kerry lost to the eventual all Ireland champs by 8 points although they were level with normal time almost up. Most Kerry players played poorly with the exception of Donnacha, Colm and JOD. Colm and JOD get all stars.
So in 2010, 2012 and 2013 Kerry got 3 All Stars. Compare this to Dublin in 2014. No challenge received from a series of div 2 teams in the championship. No other Leinster team reach the QF. First big test is the semi final and they are a beaten docket with 30 mins to go even though only 5 points behind. Dublin get three All Stars for this underperformance.
I think that our Dublin posters will probably agree that there is a pro Dublin bias at play here.
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Post by ballynamona on Oct 24, 2014 18:00:45 GMT
Mickmack, Kerry didn't win Munster in 2012. Beaten heavily in the Pairc, barely skeeted past Westmeath in Mullingar.
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Post by ballynamona on Oct 24, 2014 18:03:05 GMT
Noteworthy that two men who didn't get the nod to start in the Munster Final, Crowley and Donaghy, powered on to win All-Stars.
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 24, 2014 18:19:08 GMT
To put Dublin 3 awards in 2014 into content; In 2010 Kerry got one all star...Colm Cooper. That year they lost the QF to Down and Colms "one man show" against Down wasn't enough. They did win the provincial title I think but so what. In 2012 Kerry lost to the eventual all Ireland champions by 2 points in the QF. In a frantic finish Karl Lacey kicks a point to put Donegal 2 clear and safe. I think Kerry were provincial chanps that year...not sure. Kerry got no all star. In 2013 Kerry lost to the eventual all Ireland champs by 8 points although they were level with normal time almost up. Most Kerry players played poorly with the exception of Donnacha, Colm and JOD. Colm and JOD get all stars. So in 2010, 2012 and 2013 Kerry got 3 All Stars. Compare this to Dublin in 2014. No challenge received from a series of div 2 teams in the championship. No other Leinster team reach the QF. First big test is the semi final and they are a beaten docket with 30 mins to go even though only 5 points behind. Dublin get three All Stars for this underperformance. I think that our Dublin posters will probably agree that there is a pro Dublin bias at play here. You should post that onto Hoganstand and see what all the Dublin experts on there think. Seeing as they know better then all of us...
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Oct 24, 2014 18:24:08 GMT
To put Dublin 3 awards in 2014 into content; In 2010 Kerry got one all star...Colm Cooper. That year they lost the QF to Down and Colms "one man show" against Down wasn't enough. They did win the provincial title I think but so what. In 2012 Kerry lost to the eventual all Ireland champions by 2 points in the QF. In a frantic finish Karl Lacey kicks a point to put Donegal 2 clear and safe. I think Kerry were provincial chanps that year...not sure. Kerry got no all star. In 2013 Kerry lost to the eventual all Ireland champs by 8 points although they were level with normal time almost up. Most Kerry players played poorly with the exception of Donnacha, Colm and JOD. Colm and JOD get all stars. So in 2010, 2012 and 2013 Kerry got 3 All Stars. Compare this to Dublin in 2014. No challenge received from a series of div 2 teams in the championship. No other Leinster team reach the QF. First big test is the semi final and they are a beaten docket with 30 mins to go even though only 5 points behind. Dublin get three All Stars for this underperformance. I think that our Dublin posters will probably agree that there is a pro Dublin bias at play here. I feel your pain. In 2003, Laois won Leinster, lost a QF. They got 3 all stars. We reach the AI final and only get 2 all stars. Had Conor Gormley not tripped over himself and fell onto Stevie McDonnell's boot, we could have won back to back, and a half dozen more all stars.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 24, 2014 18:26:11 GMT
Come on now Hoganstand is for pre-teens.
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Post by donegalman on Oct 24, 2014 18:57:55 GMT
congrats to James ODonohoue, player of the year 2014. I was expecting an evening of high drama by Connolly winning it, but it didnt happen, so there is some credibility left in the system.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 19:05:42 GMT
Seems to me like rte didn't put much effort into the actual show this year,seems as if they just wanted to get it over with !
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 24, 2014 20:28:17 GMT
The true contribution of Donaghy was that despite personal traumas that would ordinarily have accelerated the Autumn of a career, Kieran manned up to being an inspirational leader, and also rekindling his own playing prowess. These are two distinct momentous achievements. He did struggle with leadership initially and that he may not have been in a good place made this all the more painful for him; you could only begin to imagine. That he overcame this to become a kingpin leader while also matching his peak career individual performance is mesmerising. His fielding of that Rob Hennelly kick was probably symbolic of this twin resurrection, 'men stand up at the death' and the memory of him taking that one out of the sky will live in our memories forever.
Apart from that reminder, Lester Ryan's childhood rehearsal of lifting McCarthy was also amazing.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 24, 2014 23:15:57 GMT
Tipp get more than KK
Richie Power did for KK what KD did for Kerry. Power was omitted!!!
Goalkeeper
1. Darren Gleeson (Tipperary)
Full backs
2. Paul Murphy (Kilkenny) 3. JJ Delaney (Kilkenny) 4. Séamus Hickey (Limerick)
Half backs
5. Brendan Maher (Tipperary) 6. Pádraic Maher (Tipperary) 7. Cillian Buckley (Kilkenny)
Midfield
8. Richie Hogan (Kilkenny) 9. Shane McGrath (Tipperary)
Half forwards
10. John O’Dwyer (Tipperary) 11. Patrick Maher (Tipperary) 12. TJ Reid (Kilkenny)
Full forwards
13. Colin Fennelly (Kilkenny) 14. Séamus Callanan (Tipperary) 15. Shane Dowling (Limerick)
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 24, 2014 23:19:02 GMT
I never said that only players that perform in semi finals of finals should be worthy of an all star. I said that these two games are the only games that players from Dublin, Kerry, Donegal and mayo should be evaluated on as these were the only evenly matches challenges they were involved in. I would have no issue with Shane Walsh of Galway getting an all star..... he delivered against better opponents consistently and was given little support. Dublin footballers are in the same boat as Cork hurlers in 2014. Both bombed when their only challenge presented itself in the white heat of knockout championship game. I wonder do Cork hurling followers expect 3 all stars for Cork hurlers. I would be surprised if they get even one. No Cork man in the running for hurler of the year either. No hurling all star by Cork. Cork won Munster for first time in 5/6 years and Munster is hard to win in hurling. They underperformed in the semi final though in Croker v Tipp when it mattered.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 5, 2014 23:22:36 GMT
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