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Post by fitz on Oct 5, 2014 14:23:47 GMT
The Brollyites will always be with us.Begrudgers are a bitter breed....... Brolly's psychological enema at Kerry's victory in the immediate aftermath prevented any acknowledgement of the Kerry players but only for Fitzmaurice. He then proceeded to denigrate the game as a pukefest, despite being a patron of Jim McGuinness' and regularly bestowing the word genius upon him. He is a fair hypocrite. His regular favorite regarding Kerry being unable to look a Northern team in the eye in a AI final or even Dublin for that matter was firmly answered. His entire theory on Kerry regarding the current squad, to their character, to the individual attributes of our players, tactics, our future conveyor belt has been countered almost emphatically and one of his key inspirational pieces of copy since the final was to respond to Hamez' cheek in tongue tweet asking him what he thought Kerry's victory. "Loada sh1te" was his best reprisal. He doesn't like it up him wee Joe. He might just pioneer the journey of gout to the index finger
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 6, 2014 8:33:23 GMT
The role of media in the modern world is about maximising advertising revenue for their own commercial gain. We have seen how Ryanair have generated free advertising by being controversial. In much the same way idiots like Brolly are gold dust to RTE in that they generate a frenzy of reaction and everybody wants to tune in to see what the next chapter in the saga will bring. Unless Brolly crosses a moral boundary or we stop reacting to him he will continue to be the darling of RTE GAA coverage. With regards to the worst final ever - it is hard to pass on the Dublin - Galway farce of the early 80's. At least the Kerry Donegal game never degenerated to thuggery. Finals are there to be won not necessarily for beautiful football.
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Post by sidelined on Oct 6, 2014 9:17:25 GMT
it the same old story, a kerry defeat is always reported as being a classic, but a kerry win "a handy one". history books will never show that a team was robbed blind as in 11 or the quaility of football played, but currently it shows on the roll of honour
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 7, 2014 19:02:57 GMT
In the hurling final, KK put an emphasis on defence and their hooking and blocking and general manic defending was favourable commented on by the RTE panel etc.
Why are such virtues not appreciated in gaelic football?
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Post by seamo on Oct 7, 2014 19:16:06 GMT
In the hurling final, KK put an emphasis on defence and their hooking and blocking and general manic defending was favourable commented on by the RTE panel etc. Why are such virtues not appreciated in gaelic football? Because the guys commenting in it, don't actually know the game. They seem to be of the belief that if they don't constantly talk about "tactics" and "sweepers", then they won't be seen to be "experts". We talked so much about Mark Griffin's shoulder on AOS, not just because it of it's significance, but because of it's rarity. Similar with Peter Crowley's block.
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Post by glengael on Oct 7, 2014 19:46:53 GMT
Wonderful, wonderful interview with James O'Donoghue on last nights Terrace Talk. the more technically minded of you might do a link.
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Post by Jo90 on Oct 7, 2014 20:10:52 GMT
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Post by southward on Oct 7, 2014 20:44:40 GMT
In the hurling final, KK put an emphasis on defence and their hooking and blocking and general manic defending was favourable commented on by the RTE panel etc. Why are such virtues not appreciated in gaelic football? It's a good point. The hurling fraternity in general are much more generous to one another than the football.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 7, 2014 20:52:12 GMT
In the hurling final, KK put an emphasis on defence and their hooking and blocking and general manic defending was favourable commented on by the RTE panel etc. Why are such virtues not appreciated in gaelic football? It's a good point. The hurling fraternity in general are much more generous to one another than the football. 15 teams in the hurling championship (and that's including the preliminary stage) compared to 33 teams in the football All-Ireland. Imagine what the football championship would look like if it was Division 1 and Division 2 teams?
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 7, 2014 21:38:26 GMT
Watching the Kerry players enjoying their post match celebrations on the pitch puts paid I think to the whole "invading the pitch" argument.
Also, wasn't it amazing that the Donegal keeper didn't wear a baseball cap in the second half. Brian Kelly wore one in the first half. Did the final turn on such a trivial thing. The sun was blinding.
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Post by kot on Oct 8, 2014 13:46:15 GMT
The role of media in the modern world is about maximising advertising revenue for their own commercial gain. We have seen how Ryanair have generated free advertising by being controversial. In much the same way idiots like Brolly are gold dust to RTE in that they generate a frenzy of reaction and everybody wants to tune in to see what the next chapter in the saga will bring. Unless Brolly crosses a moral boundary or we stop reacting to him he will continue to be the darling of RTE GAA coverage. With regards to the worst final ever - it is hard to pass on the Dublin - Galway farce of the early 80's. At least the Kerry Donegal game never degenerated to thuggery. Finals are there to be won not necessarily for beautiful football. Well if Brolly wants to look for a worse final he doesn't even have to go that far back and look at the clash between the early darlings of his analyst career.. Tyrone 0-12 Armagh 0-09. No goals, no even goal chances, only 21 scores and only 9 from play. A cagey tense affair niggled with stifling and slowing fouls. A man sent off for a dive by an opponent. The game the last day had 2 goals, at least 3 further good goal opportunities and no red card or flashpoint. Not a great game but hardly worse than the game above?
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 8, 2014 13:55:33 GMT
The role of media in the modern world is about maximising advertising revenue for their own commercial gain. We have seen how Ryanair have generated free advertising by being controversial. In much the same way idiots like Brolly are gold dust to RTE in that they generate a frenzy of reaction and everybody wants to tune in to see what the next chapter in the saga will bring. Unless Brolly crosses a moral boundary or we stop reacting to him he will continue to be the darling of RTE GAA coverage. With regards to the worst final ever - it is hard to pass on the Dublin - Galway farce of the early 80's. At least the Kerry Donegal game never degenerated to thuggery. Finals are there to be won not necessarily for beautiful football. Well if Brolly wants to look for a worse final he doesn't even have to go that far back and look at the clash between the early darlings of his analyst career.. Tyrone 0-12 Armagh 0-09. No goals, no even goal chances, only 21 scores and only 9 from play. A cagey tense affair niggled with stifling and slowing fouls. A man sent off for a dive by an opponent. The game the last day had 2 goals, at least 3 further good goal opportunities and no red card or flashpoint. Not a great game but hardly worse than the game above? Aaagh KOT but you are being objective - in the eyes of the great Joe, an All Ireland final with TWO Ulster teams would rank as the greatest of all time. Just their very presence would ensure it - the football was irrelevant. Freeze time and forever hold the glorious moment. Proof if it ever be needed that Ulster football is what the whole world entire universe should aspire to.
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Post by donegalman on Oct 8, 2014 18:18:01 GMT
Objectively speaking almost 3 weeks after the game, I would honestly say that the final was on the poor side of average. It was one of the weirder games I was at, maybe it was due to the fact that we had our fill of football seeing as we sat through the minor game too from the start. It was hard to get excited after losing the minor game. At times it seemed as if we were underwater, even in the first half when we started to control things briefly.
I think that for a neutral it would have been poor, and that is the best way either sides can get an objective aesthetic qualification on the game.
But it still was a sporting game, despite its mediocre quality and that in many ways is more important than a game of thuggery.
Its a pity that Brolly cant tip his cap to winners. It seems that he will slant opinion away from praising winners to an angle of how the winners won, and soiling the achievement thus. He did it last year when tyrone beat monaghan, all he was interested in was having a go at Sean Kavanagh. He does it any time that kerry (or ckerrie as he calls you) are playing and win. Same with the Dubs.
Unfortunately he wont change, and its a pity that we are typing stuff about him rather than about the game.
A season should be audited not on a final but on all the games. Only about 40% of games are on the better side of average if you are honest about it. Thats why if a final is below par, people shouldnt be surprised and expectations should be checked in the aftermath.
I hope we meet again next year, and I hope both teams have a great go at it. It might even shut up a few in the studio.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Oct 8, 2014 18:51:03 GMT
Well if Brolly wants to look for a worse final he doesn't even have to go that far back and look at the clash between the early darlings of his analyst career.. Tyrone 0-12 Armagh 0-09. No goals, no even goal chances, only 21 scores and only 9 from play. A cagey tense affair niggled with stifling and slowing fouls. A man sent off for a dive by an opponent. The game the last day had 2 goals, at least 3 further good goal opportunities and no red card or flashpoint. Not a great game but hardly worse than the game above? Aaagh KOT but you are being objective - in the eyes of the great Joe, an All Ireland final with TWO Ulster teams would rank as the greatest of all time. Just their very presence would ensure it - the football was irrelevant. Freeze time and forever hold the glorious moment. Proof if it ever be needed that Ulster football is what the whole world entire universe should aspire to. Ah, come on. Get a grip. The 03 final (from what my brain has still remembered - damn you brain!), was poor, footballing-wise. Even Tyrone folk would admit that. This years final was no better. 4 very good teams who just happened to serve up terrible spectacles. Nobody would argue otherwise, unless they were really deluded. By the way, all Ulster teams aren't coached by the same person, ya know. Donegal play a certain way. Tyrone another, Armagh another. So what's this "Ulster football" thing all about?
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Post by southward on Oct 8, 2014 19:34:34 GMT
Objectively speaking almost 3 weeks after the game, I would honestly say that the final was on the poor side of average. It was one of the weirder games I was at, maybe it was due to the fact that we had our fill of football seeing as we sat through the minor game too from the start. It was hard to get excited after losing the minor game. At times it seemed as if we were underwater, even in the first half when we started to control things briefly. I think that for a neutral it would have been poor, and that is the best way either sides can get an objective aesthetic qualification on the game. But it still was a sporting game, despite its mediocre quality and that in many ways is more important than a game of thuggery. Its a pity that Brolly cant tip his cap to winners. It seems that he will slant opinion away from praising winners to an angle of how the winners won, and soiling the achievement thus. He did it last year when tyrone beat monaghan, all he was interested in was having a go at Sean Kavanagh. He does it any time that kerry (or ckerrie as he calls you) are playing and win. Same with the Dubs. Unfortunately he wont change, and its a pity that we are typing stuff about him rather than about the game. A season should be audited not on a final but on all the games. Only about 40% of games are on the better side of average if you are honest about it. Thats why if a final is below par, people shouldnt be surprised and expectations should be checked in the aftermath. I hope we meet again next year, and I hope both teams have a great go at it. It might even shut up a few in the studio. Excellent post, donegalman. Fair play.
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Post by sullyschoice on Oct 8, 2014 19:37:07 GMT
I presume you are saying that last line with tongue firmly in cheek Ard Mhaca
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Post by homerj on Oct 8, 2014 21:03:53 GMT
All ireland finals in football, tend to be poor games.
In fact, they only seem to be great finals when Kerry lose.
2011 was a poor game for large spells, foul ridden, only 2 scores more than this year yet i it was lauded as one of the best ever, cos kerry lost.
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Post by keane on Oct 9, 2014 9:57:38 GMT
By the way, all Ulster teams aren't coached by the same person, ya know. Donegal play a certain way. Tyrone another, Armagh another. So what's this "Ulster football" thing all about? Dafuq? It must be Kerry people bringing up our record against team Ulster (a record which consists solely of games we lost of course) constantly over the last ten years?
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Post by buck02 on Oct 9, 2014 11:42:06 GMT
By the way, all Ulster teams aren't coached by the same person, ya know. Donegal play a certain way. Tyrone another, Armagh another. So what's this "Ulster football" thing all about? Dafuq? It must be Kerry people bringing up our record against team Ulster (a record which consists solely of games we lost of course) constantly over the last ten years? Which in the championship since 2000 is: Beaten Armagh twice (2000 and 2006) Beaten Monaghan twice (2007 and 2008) Beaten Donegal once (2014) Beaten Tyrone once (2012) Beaten Derry once (2004) Beaten Fermanagh once (2002) Beaten Antrim once (2009) Beaten Cavan once (2013) Beaten by Tyrone three times (2003, 2005 & 2008) Beaten by Armagh once (2002) Beaten by Donegal once (2012) Beaten by Down once (2010) Drew with Armagh once (2000) So the record since 2000 (excuse me if I am missing any) reads: P:17 W:10 D:1 L 6 So not a bad record against team Ulster overall. And in the same period Cork have beaten us 5 times in the championship I think (02, 06, 08, 09 & 12). Strangely I havn't read much in the media about Corks dominance over Kerry since 2000.
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Post by keane on Oct 9, 2014 11:59:46 GMT
Sorry, let me just fix up your post to make it more accurate there. Which in the championship since 2000 is: Beaten Armagh twice (2000 and 2006) Beaten Monaghan twice (2007 and 2008) Beaten Donegal once (2014) Beaten Tyrone once (2012) Beaten Derry once (2004) Beaten Fermanagh once (2002) Beaten Antrim once (2009) Beaten Cavan once (2013)Beaten by Tyrone three times (2003, 2005 & 2008) Beaten by Armagh once (2002) Beaten by Donegal once (2012) Beaten by Down once (2010)Drew with Armagh once (2000)So the record since 2000 (excuse me if I am missing any) reads: P:17 W:10D:1L 6So not a bad record against team Ulster overall.And in the same period Cork have beaten us 5 times in the championship I think (02, 06, 08, 09 & 12). Strangely I havn't read much in the media about Corks dominance over Kerry since 2000.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 9, 2014 13:28:39 GMT
All that matters is that we have Sam, this great feeling is going to last a while. To hell with the rest!
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Post by keane on Oct 9, 2014 13:50:47 GMT
All that matters is that we have Sam, this great feeling is going to last a while. To hell with the rest! Oh don't worry, I suspect it's not a record that will be brought up much in the next while. If we were to lose another Championship match to Dublin however, expect to hear about Kerry's terror of the blue jersey and maybe how it's connected to the capitulation against Meath too.
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Post by southward on Oct 9, 2014 17:47:27 GMT
Quit living in the past, lads. We haven't beaten an Ulster team for the past two weeks. It's shockin', so it is. Fitz must go!
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Post by falveyb2k on Oct 9, 2014 21:44:42 GMT
irishtv.ie or irish tv on sky(channel 191 or thereabouts) tomorrow night at 10, see the homecoming in full!!!!!
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Post by fitz on Oct 9, 2014 21:57:14 GMT
All ireland finals in football, tend to be poor games. In fact, they only seem to be great finals when Kerry lose. 2011 was a poor game for large spells, foul ridden, only 2 scores more than this year yet i it was lauded as one of the best ever, cos kerry lost. Agree Homer, it was poor and far worse by the end. Although, I've never heard it lauded even as a good final, before attempting to approach one of the best ever.
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Post by kot on Oct 10, 2014 8:57:27 GMT
Aaagh KOT but you are being objective - in the eyes of the great Joe, an All Ireland final with TWO Ulster teams would rank as the greatest of all time. Just their very presence would ensure it - the football was irrelevant. Freeze time and forever hold the glorious moment. Proof if it ever be needed that Ulster football is what the whole world entire universe should aspire to. Ah, come on. Get a grip. The 03 final (from what my brain has still remembered - damn you brain!), was poor, footballing-wise. Even Tyrone folk would admit that. This years final was no better. 4 very good teams who just happened to serve up terrible spectacles. Nobody would argue otherwise, unless they were really deluded.By the way, all Ulster teams aren't coached by the same person, ya know. Donegal play a certain way. Tyrone another, Armagh another. So what's this "Ulster football" thing all about? Thats the point Ard Mhaca, when Tyrone / Armagh served up a poor game - old Joe still spent all his time, until '06 when Armagh faded and '12 when Donegal became his new darling instead of Tyrone, exhaulting about the innovativness and how awesome they were and how Kerry never could compete. He was even snickering in '06 half time, much like Pat in '02 final, of the quarter when Armagh were in control. Now Kerry win a final against a team who have supposedly perfected the tactics & strategy that Armagh/Tyrone pioneered and Kerry so often cowered down in front of (again according to Joe) and he cannot decry it enough... He also conveniently forgets all those times mentioned above where it was put to Kerry from teams from the North who played a defensive style yet came out of a hard battle with the victory. Do quarter final wins when you end up winning it not count or something??
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 10, 2014 11:57:04 GMT
Are there forums like ours in other countries, maybe donegalman, Ard Mhaca and mrrashers, etc can fill us in?
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 10, 2014 12:56:41 GMT
Video of the Final
Watching this again it's clear that a lot of people think that because Kerry didnt use Dublin's tactic of 2 defenders 13 attackers, Kerry automatically employed the blanket defence.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 10, 2014 16:26:48 GMT
Donaghy has a good article in today's Examiner, gives a bit of insight of what goes on behind closed doors!
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Post by donegalman on Oct 10, 2014 17:12:55 GMT
Are there forums like ours in other countries, maybe donegalman, Ard Mhaca and mrrashers, etc can fill us in?
No forum in donegal. Hogan stand only. I might start one!
Armagh have a very busy forum,, I went onto it last night to see if we would be home or away if we get passed Tyrone. Armagh are at home.
Watched the video of the game again (above), and I enjoyed it in a sick kind of a way. There was very little in it, bar the kerry midfield and the kickout that went wrong. I think both teams played some good football in parts, it looked better on tv than it did live. Durcan's Kickouts wernt as bad as people were making out, he just miskicked a couple after the 2nd goal. We actually won more primary possession from kickouts than I thought.
The last role of the dice by donegal was interesting to look back on. McBrearty was well closed down, but your keeper could have done a lot better. Having said that, McFadden was well marshaled when he hit the post. Not sure if it was as close as some people think it was.
Elephant in the room.. Toye and McBrearty not starting. Brick Molloy is also useful and should be used as a go to man next season.
We wernt that far away at all. The cliche about it being all on the day is 100% correct.
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