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Post by fitz on Sept 3, 2014 21:35:16 GMT
I think the Sunday Game should never have let McStay make those comments. "Appalling" was a disgraceful comment when the ref couldn't defend himself. He made some bad decisions definitely but McStay was in the mood for a lynching. Tomas just about held it together to say nowt.
It all depends ultimately on the colour of the glasses you look through. We would have green/goldie ones admittedly, but Mayo fans focused on all the bad calls because they lost. If Hennelly's dead ball carried, Mc Stay's comment would have dissolved if not have vanished. It would be doubtful we would be reviewing the three fouls on David after catching the final kick out with Des and his soul glow bouffant. Realistically after losing so many big games so many times, it's hard not to be incandescent with frustration and bitterness. Christ we went on about 2011 long enough, and although we lost other finals, we won a nice few too.
Ultimately Mayo themselves and not Cormac Reilly, lost the game. Coldrick did us no favors last week, but ultimately if we'd lost to 14 men, you'd have had to offer the hand and suck it up. Mayo deserved to win that game after 65 minutes, but couldn't finish it.
Despite my pontificating summary, my green glasses won't let me leave without some indulgence regarding the refereeing last Sat.
Paul Geaney robbed Seamie O Shea and we had 2 on 1 at end of first half and it was called back, nothing wrong with tackle. McLaughlin got away with murder in the tackle, specifically and repeatedly dragging out of Killian even after the whistle blowed. A yellow card would have blunted him a bit.
The charging shout against Peter whilst technically correct, would have been harsh after being barely able to stand from tackles and couldn't see where he was going. Other charging instance unpunished. Shnakey Dillon had his knee left in on I think Mikey's chest in a ruck late in first half til Marc dragged him out. O'Shea putting his hand in Maher's arse.
Overall it pi$$es me off that over the two games neutrals think Mayo lost because of Reilly and Mc Stay got free access to fuel that seed. Any goggles but green and gold basically. Throw in Tom Carr, a bitter soup indeed. Circle the wagons circumstances.
On the Donegal comments regarding the final, I don't think much attention is being paid to the fact Donegal were obliterated for the first 20 minutes against Dublin. It certainly counts going forward. Also anyone got last years 4-16 to 1-9 massacre tape to hand, the blanket needed a raft of seamstresses that day.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 3, 2014 21:44:44 GMT
Overall it pi$$es me off that over the two games neutrals think Mayo lost because of Reilly... Let them think it all day.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2014 21:50:56 GMT
Mayo fecked up bigtime in getting Lee Keegan off. Sentiment turned against them then.
It should be remembered by Mayo fans that Tyrone were alsolutely screwed by the ref in the 2013 semi final due to anti Tyrone sentiment over the Sean Canavangh rugby tackles.
You can always depend on Mayo to do something stupid to beat themselves. Its an art form at this stage.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 3, 2014 22:09:35 GMT
Mayo fecked up bigtime in getting Lee Keegan off. Sentiment turned against them then. It should be remembered by Mayo fans that Tyrone were alsolutely screwed by the ref in the 2013 semi final due to anti Tyrone sentiment over the Sean Canavangh rugby tackles. You can always depend on Mayo to do something stupid to beat themselves. Its an art form at this stage. They distracted themselves. They need focus-focus-focus. They were a bit of a shambles at the start of the second half in Limerick. Kerry had bodies everywhere in ET but we were still focused.
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Post by sidelined on Sept 3, 2014 22:16:02 GMT
mcstays comments were for his job application, fair enough he highlighted some things that went against kerry and something that we benefited from but the language used was for to get onside with the mayo public and his desire to be next mayo manager. if he is to get the job he has to learn the lesson from defeats and not find something or one else to blame.
the whole lee keegan affair turned out to bite them, instead of using it to motivate them, he ended up having his worst game in years.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 3, 2014 22:21:06 GMT
mcstays comments were for his job application... the language used was for to get onside with the mayo public and his desire to be next mayo manager. If he is to get the job he has to learn the lesson from defeats and not find something or one else to blame.
Surely if it was a job application it would have made more sense to stick the knife in Horan rather than the ref? Perhaps they think differently up there.
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Post by Deise Exile on Sept 3, 2014 22:26:26 GMT
Eamonn Fitz interview after the match on the Saturday game was so dignified and the key thing for me is his belief in the players and the togetherness of the panel. Everyone is contributing. I think Eamonn will have a plan for Donegal. They will be favourites by most pundits. There is definitely bitterness in some facets of the media by Kerry's win. But that's par for the course now. One wonders if the extra games will really stand to Kerry. Also the Kerry midfield has been strong all year. Also the fact that we are wearing the green and gold on the day will also stand to Kerry. Poor old Darren is the forgotten man. I wonder could Lyne stArt at no 10 for the final?
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 3, 2014 22:32:09 GMT
mcstays comments were for his job application... the language used was for to get onside with the mayo public and his desire to be next mayo manager. If he is to get the job he has to learn the lesson from defeats and not find something or one else to blame.
Surely if it was a job application it would have made more sense to stick the knife in Horan rather than the ref? Perhaps they think differently up there. Had the news about Horan having quit broke at this stage? Or maybe McStay had thought it was in the wind (Horan was always likely to resign) and any criticism of the man who had just gone would have been likely to back-fire. Standard Irish default approach is once a guy leaves a position any criticism is regarded as mean-spirited, no matter how much they may or may not have screwed up. Not saying Horan did or didnt screw up, just that resignation in Ireland tends to wipe away all sins. The ref was a much easier target for McStay in his bid to win favour among the Mayo GAA supporters.
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Post by sidelined on Sept 3, 2014 22:33:11 GMT
mcstays comments were for his job application... the language used was for to get onside with the mayo public and his desire to be next mayo manager. If he is to get the job he has to learn the lesson from defeats and not find something or one else to blame.
Surely if it was a job application it would have made more sense to stick the knife in Horan rather than the ref? Perhaps they think differently up there. maybe hed be afraid in whos back the knife would be stuck in next!
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Post by Deise Exile on Sept 3, 2014 22:35:19 GMT
McStay would be the wrong choice for mayo. He has the mayo god help us attitude. In fairness Horan didn't but he lacked genius forwards that Kerry always have
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Post by seamo on Sept 4, 2014 18:53:34 GMT
mcstays comments were for his job application, fair enough he highlighted some things that went against kerry and something that we benefited from but the language used was for to get onside with the mayo public and his desire to be next mayo manager. if he is to get the job he has to learn the lesson from defeats and not find something or one else to blame. the whole lee keegan affair turned out to bite them, instead of using it to motivate them, he ended up having his worst game in years. Don't think he should be allowed to advertise himself for a paid position like that on, a tv show which he is already making money off of. Plus he's no better than a common internet troll...and he's in the army? Standards have slipped!!!
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Post by seamo on Sept 4, 2014 18:58:53 GMT
McStay would be the wrong choice for mayo. He has the mayo god help us attitude. In fairness Horan didn't but he lacked genius forwards that Kerry always have That's a good point, Horan did handle himself very well after the game. Should someone like McStay really be an intercounty manager? I know ethical standards within the GAA are pretty low, given the laissez faire attitude to crowd trouble, on-field brawls, biting, dodgy timekeeping etc but having someone like that (personal attacks on a referee/abusing his position) in charge of an intercounty team is a bad example to set for the younger members of the GAA. It's refreshing that Eamonn doesn't attack referee's, Pat Gilroy didn't; role models are in short supply in the GAA now!
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Post by southward on Sept 4, 2014 19:34:20 GMT
Thing is, if McStay gets the Mayo gig, they'll get f*ck all from any ref for a while after that outburst. The Mayo Co Board will surely be smart enough to cop this so McStay may have shot himself in the foot here.
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Post by seamo on Sept 4, 2014 19:46:03 GMT
Tony McEntee is a better option anyways if the rumours are true.
And Liam McHale should be kept away from that panel also.
But f-ck it!!! That's Mayo's problem to be solving!! lol
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Post by beantownfan on Sept 4, 2014 20:05:26 GMT
Yeah, McStay would be a step back I think.. Mayo need to get away from this "poor us" attitude. I've read many comments to articles during the week where lads were commenting that because the ref was from Meath he had a grudge on Mayo.. You'd swear Mayo had won that final.. Hard to have a grudge after 20 years for a game that you won! :-)
It really is amazing how some Mayo folks have just gone to town on this ref thing.. There were many instances of the ref making a hames of decisions against Kerry as outlined above..
I am really disappointed in the Sunday game for allowing McStay to go on his rant.. Particularly the way he highlighted so many indiscretions against Mayo while ignoring numerous against Kerry. It'd be interesting to know if McStay has ever reffed an adult game.. I did a couple junior games myself a few times and it is no easy task - mighty easy to know every rule in the book when you are outside the white line! Having had a few conversations with a couple former panelists of the sunday game in the past they were saying that the producers of the program have a big say in what gets discussed, I would really like to see the GAA make a complaint to RTE on this one, if he made the same attack on the performance of an individual player or manager then he'd be lynched.
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Post by tyroneperson on Sept 4, 2014 20:06:39 GMT
Tony McEntee is a better option anyways if the rumours are true. And Liam McHale should be kept away from that panel also. But f-ck it!!! That's Mayo's problem to be solving!! lol Apparently McEntee's interested in managing a county team - it'd be great to see him have a go as he's obviously very shrewd. Crossmaglen played quite traditionally under his watch so it'd be interesting to see if he'd carry that through to inter county football. Maybe he'll end up managing Down - he doesn't seem to be one of the forerunners for the Mayo job.
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 4, 2014 20:07:57 GMT
This semi-final defeat really seems to have stung Mayo to their very core. The last time I think they were so generally indignant across the board after a defeat was after the loss to Meath in 96' and boy has that grudge lasted!
McStay said he wasn't putting on the green and red shirt - who is he kidding? Sport like life isn't always fair Kevin - we had plenty of big days where the ref did us no favours – the All Ireland Finals of 82, 2002 and 2011 could all easily have seen a different result but for some bizarre decision making on those days. Moreover, there is going to be huge pressure now on the referee for the All Ireland Final because the background noise from the fallout of the semi-final isn't doing us any favours.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2014 20:15:12 GMT
By Kieran Shannon
A member of Mayo's backroom team, Kieran Shannon, recalls the emotional moment when James Horan announced he was stepping down as Mayo manager.
I could have bluffed it this week. This column could have been on the All-Ireland hurling final, or Donegal’s tactical masterclass last Sunday, or at a stretch, Man United’s scattergun buying policy or Caroline W’s big W over Sharapova and how she too has marched on after that break-up.
But I can’t fake it. The last few days it’s been hard to register events from Flushing Meadows or Old Trafford or even the more familiar turf of Croke Park when my mind is still in Limerick and the heart still in Mayo.
For the last three years I’ve had the privilege of a lifetime of being part of James Horan’s backroom team. Last Saturday night, a little bit after 9.15 in a room in the Radisson Blu Hotel on the Ennis Road, James gathered the whole group around to thank us and announce he was stepping down.
Like so much else over his four years in charge, he did it the right way. He resisted telling the press in the Gaelic Grounds. He didn’t tell us in the dressing room either. We literally needed more space and time so instead he waited until we ate some food and had dried our tears before we’d shed some more. In the dressing room we merely had to come to terms with the fact our year was over. In the hotel room we had to face the brutal reality that so was our journey as a group.
I’m fortunate that my two parents, two siblings and two kids as well as my wife are still alive, so I can safely say that last Saturday night was the nearest thing to a family funeral I’ve known, probably because for the last few years this group had become family. We thanked each other, embraced each other, and I won’t lie, wept with one another. It was rough, but it was right.
Rather than reveal his decision “in the cool light of day” through mail or text during the week, James knew that we needed to simultaneously treasure each other and grieve together to help us all move on with our lives.
The irony of it all is that only a few hours earlier from that quasi-wake we’d all never before felt more alive. In the Gaelic Grounds, in extra-time, in the arena, in a battle with a worthy opponent; as James would have grinned to the group “Where else would you rather be?!”
This team have been in some games and places through the years – All-Ireland finals, beating Cork in 2011 and 2014, the Dubs in 2012, Donegal in 2013, Croker just the week before – but Limerick was as good and as heightened as any match or occasion we’ve known.
You have to hand it to Kerry. They are without probably the greatest player ever in Colm Cooper. You think of the injuries the Tralee tandem of David Moran and Kieran Donaghy have had to endure in recent years and how they performed the last two weekends and you can only admire their persistence as well as talent. They would not have deserved to lose last Saturday.
What I also know is that our lads didn’t deserve Cormac Reilly. When I think of Colm Boyle, probably the most honest and bravest football warrior in the country and how three calls on him alone were so costly and poorly adjudicated, it doesn’t seem right that he’s not playing into September.
To credit James, he refrained from criticising Cormac afterwards, just as he did with Maurice Deegan after both the 2012 league and All-Ireland finals that you could argue swung on a couple of non-calls that seconds later resulted in goals for our opponents. He had the sense and grace to accept that ultimately the other side was still that bit better on those days and the referee is largely out of your control while a lot of other things are within it.
That’s one of his greatest legacies. It’s now instilled into the lads’ psyche the importance of looking in the mirror and trying to be the best you can be because it’ll take you to great heights, if not the ultimate spot. Even three years ago Keith Higgins was still a bit casual with his talent; now he is a killer, the supreme defender in the country and a certain All Star for a third straight year. Three years ago Colm Boyle was in the intercounty wilderness, finished; look at him now.
They all grew under James.
Much of the credit for that has to go the players. They were certainly the most open-minded and tough-minded group of people I’ve ever worked with, in any environment. There’ll be other opportunities to wax lyrical about some of the side’s household names but when I think of the honesty of the group I think of men like David Clarke and Kenneth O’Malley, our back-up goalkeepers this year, working with such focus and intensity at the top end of the pitch with Rob Hennelly and goalkeeping coach Peter Burke.
We had a lad called Shane McHale who would burst himself and everyone around him in training. As long as I live I’ll see him collapsing past the finishing line of an indoor hall in Claremorris having emptied himself in a gruelling fitness test; the pool of sweat he left like a chalked outline of a dead body at a crime scene. Even this summer when he was recovering from a shoulder injury he’d be there at the side of the pitch with an eye patch catching a tennis ball working on his hand-eye co-ordination.
Another one of our warriors was Enda Varley. In some quarters of the Mayo public he was maligned, especially after the quarter-final against Cork last month didn’t run so well for him, but the stats show he’s been one of the highest-scoring impact subs in the country in recent years and in his penultimate start for the county he scored 1-3 in Salthill last year. When I think of the dedication of this group I picture Enda on his foam roller before training and then out on the pitch kicking ball after ball before the ever-enthusiastic Donie Buckley whistles the boys in; Enda was a pro on a team of a pros, the kind who needs to be retained when the uninformed eye could have him discounted. That is going to be the trick and the challenge for the new manager. To get the right blend of continuity and change. There will inevitably be four or five changes to the playing panel but it would be a mistake to make a cull of nine or ten. The medical team being the best in the country should be retained en masse. Ed Coughlan may be Munster-based but there isn’t a better S&C coach and he could even have his expertise as a skills acquisition coach unleashed; certainly the new management should meet with him for a handover session at the least.
Who will that manager be? It comes down to what the side and county needs. Back in 2010 Mayo needed a transformational leader and James with his vision, organisation, strength and suitable stubbornness provided just that. Although there will always be the odd pop from the odd buffoon or cold timid soul about Mayo’s fortitude or temperament until they deliver the big one, under James and his faithful assistant Tom Prendergast Mayo dismissed virtually every negative stereotype relating to the county. His footballers became winners. With the right appointment they will become outright champions. Maintain the culture James established and throw into the mix a little more flexibility and sophistication in how the side sets up and the lads will close the deal either next year or the year after, if not both seasons.
In these eyes the two men best fitted for that job are recent All-Ireland club winning managers.
Tony McEntee is one of the best football brains in the country and both a suitable admirer and critic of the Horan project. But he’s based in Armagh and, combined with having a young family, that probably rules him out. The other outstanding candidate is Kevin McStay. With St Brigid’s he underlined impressive tactical acumen while he would provide a level of communication and organisation that the players have come to expect from their time with James. The big call for McStay will be whether to include his wingman Liam McHale on the ticket. Liam has so much to offer with his coaching and sideline insights but the players would need to know he has left any House of Pain complex outside the gates of MacHale Park.
Because that’s the thing with these group of players. As the constantly-smiling Lee Keegan noted, they are less burdened by past defeats as empowered and sustained by all the games they’ve won, even if there hasn’t been a summer yet that they’ve won them all. Under James these players came to love playing in Croke Park. And more so they relished coming every night to MacHale Park. When you’ve jokers like Mickey Conroy and Barry Moran in the ranks you didn’t exist in a House of Pain but a House of Fun, Joy. Aidan O’Shea said it in that teary-eyed hotel room in Limerick, the lads loved going in there every night; the craic, the training, the ball, the honesty, camaraderie and company.
So did we, kid. Loved it. Love ye. Forever.
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Post by southward on Sept 4, 2014 20:29:50 GMT
In terms of sheer excitement and passion if nothing else, this was probably the best match I've ever attended. The shame of it is that the media generally have allowed the post-match talk to be dominated by this fictitious anti-Mayo refereeing crap. It does an enormous disservice to both teams who put in such fabulous and heroic performances, only to be largely sidelined afterwards. Particularly so the Mayo players; at least our lads have another game to focus on. Kevin McStay's use of TSG platform for his rant was outrageous and the producers were a disgrace for allowing it.
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Post by tyroneperson on Sept 4, 2014 20:49:22 GMT
Just on the subject of Tony McEntee, was watching this and thought this was prescient until the last two minutes...
Also just heard he's set to be named the next Down manager within the next 24 hours.
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Post by beantownfan on Sept 4, 2014 21:22:01 GMT
Just on the subject of Tony McEntee, was watching this and thought this was prescient until the last two minutes... Also just heard he's set to be named the next Down manager within the next 24 hours. I'd say outside of the 30 lads in training with Kerry many Kerry folk would have agreed with him on his analysis of the Kingdom up until the Munster final - I couldn't fault him for his thoughts on Kerry :-)
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2014 22:18:21 GMT
Just on the subject of Tony McEntee, was watching this and thought this was prescient until the last two minutes... Also just heard he's set to be named the next Down manager within the next 24 hours. Yerra.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2014 22:31:48 GMT
McStay would be the wrong choice for mayo. He has the mayo god help us attitude. In fairness Horan didn't but he lacked genius forwards that Kerry always have Let him off, one pissmire less to look at on TSG. Now if only Des would take over the Dublin hurlers............... I though Tomas was going to draw blood from his eyebrow while the wedding planner was carping on.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 5, 2014 12:04:11 GMT
Highlights of the drawn game were on Sky Sports again last night. I have to say that Dermot Earley is clueless at times too. He claimed Mayo supporters outnumbered Kerry by 5:1 which was totally false and that Donaghy's dispossession of Aidan O' Shea to set up O' Donoghue's chance to win at the end was a foul.
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Post by kot on Sept 5, 2014 12:21:30 GMT
Highlights of the drawn game were on Sky Sports again last night. I have to say that Dermot Earley is clueless at times too. He claimed Mayo supporters outnumbered Kerry by 5:1 which was totally false and that Donaghy's dispossession of Aidan O' Shea to set up O' Donoghue's chance to win at the end was a foul. Was it not Paul Earley?
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Post by Exiled2Dublin on Sept 5, 2014 12:23:50 GMT
Just on the subject of Tony McEntee, was watching this and thought this was prescient until the last two minutes... Also just heard he's set to be named the next Down manager within the next 24 hours. Yerra. That's confirmed now. Think Down will be an interesting county to watch next year. They never really built on their run in 2010 and they were unlucky to lose Marty Clarke to the Aussie Rules. He's been let go by Collingwood and is rumoured to be returning to Ireland. Himself and Conor Laverty in the one forward unit would make for some classic stylish Down football.
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Post by keane on Sept 5, 2014 12:35:10 GMT
No rumours about it, himself and Caolan Mooney will be back playing next season. Will make them formidable enough with McEntee pulling the strings.
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Post by kerry4life on Sept 5, 2014 12:58:09 GMT
Looking at other forums around the net, hogan stand etc, such hostility towards Kerry, and still a week later very angry Mayo Fans. I always liked Mayo but know with the comments before they played us and after Im turned off them!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 5, 2014 12:58:49 GMT
No rumours about it, himself and Caolan Mooney will be back playing next season. Will make them formidable enough with McEntee pulling the strings. Any word on what Tommy Walsh is doing keane?
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 5, 2014 13:38:50 GMT
Highlights of the drawn game were on Sky Sports again last night. I have to say that Dermot Earley is clueless at times too. He claimed Mayo supporters outnumbered Kerry by 5:1 which was totally false and that Donaghy's dispossession of Aidan O' Shea to set up O' Donoghue's chance to win at the end was a foul. Was it not Paul Earley? Yes sorry, Paul of course.
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