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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 1, 2014 13:58:19 GMT
First chance to get on t'internet since Saturday!
What can I say that hasn't already been said. The emotions of last year's semi final came flooding back but boy didn't it feel good for Kerry to finally win a classic. It seems to me that it's only a classic when Kerry lose!
There's few players who don't deserve huge praise for that performance, but special mention to David Moran who gave a masterclass. It's rare to see such composure from a big man when surrounded by two or three opposing players. He is brilliant at breaking the tackle and creating space for himself. Some people may have questioned his speed under pressure (including moi) but the pressure doesn't get much higher than that (perhaps Donegal will have a say about that). I think he got dispossesed once or twice but he turned the ball over on a number of occassions to make up for it. And his delivery is as good as I've seen, dare I say even better than Darragh's? Okay, lets not get carried away!
Another man who really stood up was Peter Crowley. The man is a beast. He broke Mayo up all day and poured forward with menace. I think we have our No. 6 sorted for a while!
What can one say about Star? Immense. This is a guy who never gives up. His spirit, more than anyone, sums up this Kerry team. Never say die. Delighted for him.
James O'Donoghue scored 2-6 (0-4 from play, made and converted the two penalties, initiated Donaghy's goal. Imagine if it had been a lesser defender than Higgins marking him?
Watching the game from the open stand I and those Kerry fans around me were fuming at the ref. We were of the opinion that he rode Kerry, particularly out around the middle. Looking back at it on the box I will admit that we did get some dodgy calls. Enright should have been gone and one of the free's Donaghy got near end of first half of extra time was no free. Saying that, I do think Keith Higgins was lucky not to get black carded for a deliberate jersey tug when James had broken clear. The ref allowed the advantage and James slotted it over. That would have completely swung the balance in our favour, yet it warranted no mention by McStay on TSG last night and no mention, that I've seen, in the papers.
Finally, thank you to Eamon Fitz and co for what they've done with a team "in transition".
As one Dub supporter over on Resevoir said: "Transition me bollix". :-)
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 1, 2014 14:04:41 GMT
On the BJK free, it looked to me that the Mayo lad went in with the knee raised as BJ went to go around him.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 1, 2014 14:09:14 GMT
On the BJK free, it looked to me that the Mayo lad went in with the knee raised as BJ went to go around him. And the Mayo corner back had pulled his arm back before he got tackled by Boyle.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 1, 2014 14:10:10 GMT
Don't post here much but had to say how impressed I was with yesterdays display. One of the best in over 20 years of following Kerry. It and we had everything. Skill, Tactics, Guts, mental Strength... One thing I don't agree with here is the constant questioning of some players like Barry John Keane and Kieran O'Leary. One post blaming Barry John for losing a final in 2011 is crazy at any stage - never mind after the win Saturday. Teams, subs, coaches, backroom teams win matches but one players cost us finals..rubbish. Barry John wasn't at fault for a goal that changed the game that day. But the real issue is supports questioning players taking on scores and missing. Fitmaurice obviously sends his players on with a lot of confidence and freedom to trust skill and be brave. Lyne took on a crazy attempt and nailed it..Barry John too on one very questionable attempt and one that he should have and missed both. Same with Kieran but we wouldn't have had a replay except for Kieran and Barry John won some amount of ball yesterday. Kerry live and die by our players not having fear and trusting their ability. Supports should stick with them through that. Most probably do but I hate seeing silly comments like "BJK cost us an all Ireland". Apologies for the rant - I'm still a little hyped from Saturday. Of course you are spot on, 'he who never made a mistake never made anything'. How pressure is handled influences rate of err and I'd have every confidence in Kerry against any team. Lyne, KO'J and BJK are amazing and no other county has that standard and abundance of talent coming through. Ah we all get ahead of ourselves at times, winning matches sitting on a high stool or on a keyboard. I would appeal to everyone to make a special effort to get behind OUR lads the run up to another AI final. We have so much to be proud of, the effort they make for us, it is our county team and we get as much from winning as they do and look at the sacrifices they make, a bit of constructive comment is ok but we need to be more sure footed when questioning what our experts are doing; Eamonn & Co have worked wonders with a team 'in transition' and Mickey Sheehy knows more about football than all the forums in the planet. I live in Donegal and there is unanimous blind loyalty to Jim McGuinness, so it will help us beat 'em if we all put our shoulders to the stone at this stage of proceedings and back our men.
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Post by keane on Sept 1, 2014 14:10:25 GMT
Don't post here much but had to say how impressed I was with yesterdays display. One of the best in over 20 years of following Kerry. It and we had everything. Skill, Tactics, Guts, mental Strength... One thing I don't agree with here is the constant questioning of some players like Barry John Keane and Kieran O'Leary. One post blaming Barry John for losing a final in 2011 is crazy at any stage - never mind after the win Saturday. Teams, subs, coaches, backroom teams win matches but one players cost us finals..rubbish. Barry John wasn't at fault for a goal that changed the game that day. But the real issue is supports questioning players taking on scores and missing. Fitmaurice obviously sends his players on with a lot of confidence and freedom to trust skill and be brave. Lyne took on a crazy attempt and nailed it..Barry John too on one very questionable attempt and one that he should have and missed both. Same with Kieran but we wouldn't have had a replay except for Kieran and Barry John won some amount of ball yesterday. Kerry live and die by our players not having fear and trusting their ability. Supports should stick with them through that. Most probably do but I hate seeing silly comments like "BJK cost us an all Ireland". Apologies for the rant - I'm still a little hyped from Saturday. Thank god someone said it.
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Post by keane on Sept 1, 2014 14:12:24 GMT
On the BJK free, it looked to me that the Mayo lad went in with the knee raised as BJ went to go around him. I don't think the free was even given for that but for Cuniffe pulling at BJ's shoulder. Maybe a combination. Still soft enough, but between Parsons on Declan and Cuniffe on Barry John in that couple of seconds I don't see the fuss about the free.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 1, 2014 14:18:57 GMT
On the BJK free, it looked to me that the Mayo lad went in with the knee raised as BJ went to go around him. I don't think the free was even given for that but for Cuniffe pulling at BJ's shoulder. Maybe a combination. Still soft enough, but between Parsons on Declan and Cuniffe on Barry John in that couple of seconds I don't see the fuss about the free. Just another chance to denigrate Kerry's win. They're all agin us I tells ya!
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Post by keane on Sept 1, 2014 14:27:03 GMT
No fun winning if it doesn't sicken the moaners IMO.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 1, 2014 15:05:09 GMT
Congrats to Kerry for reaching the final .. 2 great games with Mayo ... Have to say though I'd be fairly p1ssed off with the Refereeing if I was a Mayo man ... !!
Looking forward to the final !!
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Post by Dermot on Sept 1, 2014 15:39:44 GMT
It was another great match to watch ... The tussle between Higgins & J O'D was simply fantastic ... Higgins was unreal but even then couldnt stop O'D ... what a game they both had - Fantastic viewing! I think if Mayo are to win an AI they need a better manager ... I find it totally unbelievable that Horan left his FB line as it was for the entire duration of the game + ET ... Surely he should have know after the last 15 mins of the previous week (or even 5 mins after Donaghy came on ) that they couldn't handle him the way they were setup .... I just find this staggering !!!
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 1, 2014 15:44:25 GMT
Congrats to Kerry for reaching the final .. 2 great games with Mayo ... Have to say though I'd be fairly p1ssed off with the Refereeing if I was a Mayo man ... !! Looking forward to the final !! Yea I suppose he could've left them off with a few more blatant double hops and left Aidan O Shea charge like an elephant a bit more.
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Post by Joxer on Sept 1, 2014 16:24:18 GMT
On the BJK free, it looked to me that the Mayo lad went in with the knee raised as BJ went to go around him. And the Mayo corner back had pulled his arm back before he got tackled by Boyle. Spot on , on both counts in my opinion but not mentioned by the 'experts'. Although repeated reference to the 'fact' that Shane Enright should have been 'black carded' for his pull down of O'Connor, no similar adjudication in the case of Cafferkey and the other (can't remember who) Mayo back involved in both Kerry penalties.... Also, as has been mentioned on here I think, David Moran was fouled prior to Mayo getting that final free in normal time that could have won them the game and as for O'Sheas elbow into the face of James O'Donoghue, I guess that's 'allowed'. Having said all that, if the result had been reversed as some other poster pointed out, these incidents would no doubt be highlighted but I'd rather be in an All-Ireland Final that getting satisfaction from whining......
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Post by Joxer on Sept 1, 2014 16:27:39 GMT
Don't post here much but had to say how impressed I was with yesterdays display. One of the best in over 20 years of following Kerry. It and we had everything. Skill, Tactics, Guts, mental Strength... One thing I don't agree with here is the constant questioning of some players like Barry John Keane and Kieran O'Leary. One post blaming Barry John for losing a final in 2011 is crazy at any stage - never mind after the win Saturday. Teams, subs, coaches, backroom teams win matches but one players cost us finals..rubbish. Barry John wasn't at fault for a goal that changed the game that day. But the real issue is supports questioning players taking on scores and missing. Fitmaurice obviously sends his players on with a lot of confidence and freedom to trust skill and be brave. Lyne took on a crazy attempt and nailed it..Barry John too on one very questionable attempt and one that he should have and missed both. Same with Kieran but we wouldn't have had a replay except for Kieran and Barry John won some amount of ball yesterday. Kerry live and die by our players not having fear and trusting their ability. Supports should stick with them through that. Most probably do but I hate seeing silly comments like "BJK cost us an all Ireland". Apologies for the rant - I'm still a little hyped from Saturday. I couldn't agree more....
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Post by Dermot on Sept 1, 2014 16:39:20 GMT
Congrats to Kerry for reaching the final .. 2 great games with Mayo ... Have to say though I'd be fairly p1ssed off with the Refereeing if I was a Mayo man ... !! Looking forward to the final !! Yea I suppose he could've left them off with a few more blatant double hops and left Aidan O Shea charge like an elephant a bit more. Think Mayo have a little more to complain about than Kerry TBH !! .. But that's just the way it goes sometimes !!
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 1, 2014 16:42:54 GMT
Yea I suppose he could've left them off with a few more blatant double hops and left Aidan O Shea charge like an elephant a bit more. Think Mayo have a little more to complain about than Kerry TBH !! .. But that's just the way it goes sometimes !! Nobody is stopping you from thinking that.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 1, 2014 17:08:49 GMT
This craic of Mayo whining has been going on ever since 1996 and the all Ireland with meath. It is unseemly. But... maybe some Kerry people will realise they carried on just the same over grievances, real or perceived, in 2011. If nothing else, lets just hope that is put to bed now.
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Post by southward on Sept 1, 2014 18:39:09 GMT
If Kerry had got a fair shake from Coldrick the first day, there would have been no replay. Which would have been a terrible shame as it turned out, but you won't hear McStay & co mentioning this.
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Post by aranteorainn on Sept 1, 2014 19:39:56 GMT
If Kerry had got a fair shake from Coldrick the first day, there would have been no replay. Which would have been a terrible shame as it turned out, but you won't hear McStay & co mentioning this. Seem to remember he sent off a Mayo player.
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Post by seamo on Sept 1, 2014 19:44:09 GMT
If Kerry had got a fair shake from Coldrick the first day, there would have been no replay. Which would have been a terrible shame as it turned out, but you won't hear McStay & co mentioning this. Seem to remember he sent off a Mayo player. ?
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 1, 2014 19:47:22 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 1, 2014 20:00:15 GMT
Why wasn't he arrested, that is what I can't figure out? Public order or whatever.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 1, 2014 21:09:52 GMT
I sent this text to Weeshie on Monday evening and he was still disorientated to the extent that I have to give it to him to take again -
McStay is normally a fair commentator but confused momentum from inability to stop with charging, and so criticized the ref. Ah sure you could hardly blame anyone for being biased under the circumstances and I'd include the big Mayo lad in that.
The venue was the issue too and it was claustraphobic for players and spectators and moreover given that the drawn game was in Croker.
Listening to Radio Kerry commentary drove us all even madder, long may it continue.
One fella I know hurt his neck on the couch while another all but ate the bottom lip.
Weeshie and Gary have a lot to answer for. K Man @ Ballythefireside in Donegal and I'm looking forward to bragging rights with No 37.
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Post by sidelined on Sept 1, 2014 21:10:52 GMT
seems he had a laugh about it afterward on twitter, twas the daughter i felt sorry for. seem to remember one of our own doing something similar also in limerick in 04?. maybe it a limerick thing
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Post by sidelined on Sept 1, 2014 21:18:19 GMT
Why wasn't he arrested, that is what I can't figure out? Public order or whatever. he had a laugh about it afterwards on twitter, twas his daughter i felt sorry for. seem to remember one of our own doing something similar also in limerick in 04? maybe its a limerick thing!
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 1, 2014 21:26:42 GMT
Remember that guy 'Mick the Gun' from Killarney who squared up to Paidi in 2003. Crazy stuff.
Player and referee safety is number 1. That guy should have got some kind of fine or official reprimand.
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 1, 2014 23:03:09 GMT
I don't like to be the kid who shouts out that the emperor is naked but some big issues from Saturday: - Almost losing a game where midfield were completely dominant - nonexistent half forward line - unable to close out the game when 2 points up - poor ball retention at crucial stages - poor shot selection at crucial stages - poor long range shooting from play and frees - conceding 2 goals from point attempts dropping short - backs turning over possession too easily
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 1, 2014 23:43:24 GMT
Dec Cahill is pathetic. Imagine allowing McStay to call the ref appalling yet not ask him about the little matter of undermining a ref authority by getting Lee Keegan off on a technicality. Bill OHerlihy wouldn't allow such a sham.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 2, 2014 8:32:14 GMT
Can anybody clarify the rules relating to extra time and players sent off (red or black) in normal time. Thought I can remember a Tyrone minor (the number 14 I think) coming back on in extra time against Kerry a couple of years ago but Fionn did not come back on Saturday. Rule book seems to say a player sent off for any reason cannot rejoin in extra time.
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 2, 2014 9:41:45 GMT
Stats from Dont Foul dontfoul.wordpress.com/The massive thing was just how bad our shooting from play was the last day Shooting 10 from 30 attempts, a rate of 33%, with a rating of -3.763 is truly awful stuff As the piece suggests it looks very much like one of those days, especially compared to our previous outings. In the previous 3 championship games (against Mayo, Galway and Cork) 53 out of 85 shots from play were scored 62% scores shots % weighting Mayo 10 30 0.33 -3.763 Mayo 15 24 0.63 4.218 Galway 19 30 0.63 4.276 Cork 19 31 0.61 4.684 Everything else was fairly positive.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 2, 2014 9:45:45 GMT
Can anybody clarify the rules relating to extra time and players sent off (red or black) in normal time. Thought I can remember a Tyrone minor (the number 14 I think) coming back on in extra time against Kerry a couple of years ago but Fionn did not come back on Saturday. Rule book seems to say a player sent off for any reason cannot rejoin in extra time. It is deemed a new game so he could have come back on.
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