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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 2, 2014 9:56:56 GMT
Can anybody clarify the rules relating to extra time and players sent off (red or black) in normal time. Thought I can remember a Tyrone minor (the number 14 I think) coming back on in extra time against Kerry a couple of years ago but Fionn did not come back on Saturday. Rule book seems to say a player sent off for any reason cannot rejoin in extra time. "A player ordered off in any circumstance in Normal Time, may not play in Extra Time but may be replaced." I assume "ordered off" covers the Black Card too. And yellow cards carry over to extra time too.
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Post by sidelined on Sept 2, 2014 10:02:01 GMT
Can anybody clarify the rules relating to extra time and players sent off (red or black) in normal time. Thought I can remember a Tyrone minor (the number 14 I think) coming back on in extra time against Kerry a couple of years ago but Fionn did not come back on Saturday. Rule book seems to say a player sent off for any reason cannot rejoin in extra time. "A player ordered off in any circumstance in Normal Time, may not play in Extra Time but may be replaced." I assume "ordered off" covers the Black Card too. And yellow cards carry over to extra time too. just to complicate things; what if a player is suspended for one game and that game goes to extra time, why cant he play in extra time?. frank murphy please reply
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 2, 2014 10:05:13 GMT
Stats from Dont Foul dontfoul.wordpress.com/The massive thing was just how bad our shooting from play was the last day Shooting 10 from 30 attempts. I was thinking we left the shooting boots at home alright.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 2, 2014 10:19:44 GMT
"A player ordered off in any circumstance in Normal Time, may not play in Extra Time but may be replaced." I assume "ordered off" covers the Black Card too. And yellow cards carry over to extra time too. just to complicate things; what if a player is suspended for one game and that game goes to extra time, why cant he play in extra time?. frank murphy please reply No, it inculdes extra time AFAIK.
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Post by glengael on Sept 2, 2014 10:22:27 GMT
It certainly did for Paudge Collins this year in the Clare/Wexford extra time.
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Post by keane on Sept 2, 2014 10:48:35 GMT
Just to note as well that Dontfoul's stats from the other SF had Donegal shooting the most accurate in the time he has been covering.
Our worst shooting performance of the year juxtaposed with Donegal's best under McGuinness probably has us a bit underrated going into this.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 2, 2014 11:07:29 GMT
We'll hardly be so inaccurate two games in a row?
Lets hope not anyway. I think Mikey will have to speak with some of our forwards about showing composure in front of goal. Geaney, James, BJK were all guilty of some poor attempts that could have been converted with a little more composure.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 2, 2014 11:28:37 GMT
Think Mayo have a little more to complain about than Kerry TBH !! .. But that's just the way it goes sometimes !! Nobody is stopping you from thinking that. Are you a bit touchy or what lol
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Post by augustafield on Sept 2, 2014 11:29:16 GMT
So disappointed at Mayo reaction to last Saturday's result. Disappointment I can understand but the vilification visited on Kerry players in Mayo forums is totally uncalled for. Mayo must realise that they lost this semi in Croke Park the first day. 5 points up 5 minutes to go and they let us off the hook. We were forewarned of their tactics for the replay - they would be driving down the middle and did they really expect us to stand aside ? We lost our Captain to a black card - and absolutely should have lost Enright - but over the 2 games they lost 2 of their top players to red cards. In all his games for Kerry , D. Walsh has never been less than a sportsman , and was singled out in Mayo forums and demonised. I don't intend to go through all the rights and wrongs to which both teams were subjected to on Saturday save to say in Sport sometimes you get the rub of the green sometimes you don't. But at the end of the day you make your own luck.
Forget about Saturday now - an epic contest which put tears in the eyes of us all here in Boston , and thank you to Eamon and his young Warriors ( with honourable mention to our elder statesmen ) none of you will ever understand the heart bursting pride and happiness you give to your fellow county men and women so far away - and focus now on Jim McGuinness and his wonderful team. Sure did'nt he get his football education in the Kingdom !
Reading all the posts here is a joy and proves the Kerry tradition will never die. I am glad to be back in the land of the living and Kerry does my heart good.
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Post by keane on Sept 2, 2014 11:30:19 GMT
We'll hardly be so inaccurate two games in a row? Lets hope not anyway. I think Mikey will have to speak with some of our forwards about showing composure in front of goal. Geaney, James, BJK were all guilty of some poor attempts that could have been converted with a little more composure. Seems more likely that we'll improve while Donegal will dis-improve
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 2, 2014 11:34:03 GMT
We'll hardly be so inaccurate two games in a row? Lets hope not anyway. I think Mikey will have to speak with some of our forwards about showing composure in front of goal. Geaney, James, BJK were all guilty of some poor attempts that could have been converted with a little more composure. Seems more likely that we'll improve while Donegal will dis-improve Not necessarily. They will put huge pressure on between the 21 and 45 lines and try and force long range attempts. As Dublin found out the last day, kicking points from 45 yards is not sustainable for 70 minutes. As Jack O'Connor stated, patience will be key to beating Donegal and when we're not scoring we must prevent them from scoring.
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Post by beantownfan on Sept 2, 2014 11:39:21 GMT
"A player ordered off in any circumstance in Normal Time, may not play in Extra Time but may be replaced." I assume "ordered off" covers the Black Card too. And yellow cards carry over to extra time too. just to complicate things; what if a player is suspended for one game and that game goes to extra time, why cant he play in extra time?. frank murphy please reply The suspension carries over to E/T also.. The player is suspended for one game (or how ever many games).. The game includes extra time.. There is this great statement in the GAA that "its a new game".. It is not a new game, the score does not start off at 0-0 for instance! It is only a 'new game' in the fact that players ordered off may be replaced by new players, and you are allotted a new batch of substitutes. It is not a new game in that regular time counts as one game, and extra time as another.. The whole match is considered as one game! (I will try to find the rule later, I had to look it up before)
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 2, 2014 13:11:37 GMT
Nobody is stopping you from thinking that. Are you a bit touchy or what lol Not at all, just pointing out that you're wrong I honestly can't see why you or anyone think Mayo got shafted.
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Post by bigfoot on Sept 2, 2014 13:47:16 GMT
I don't like to be the kid who shouts out that the emperor is naked but some big issues from Saturday: - Almost losing a game where midfield were completely dominant - nonexistent half forward line - unable to close out the game when 2 points up - poor ball retention at crucial stages - poor shot selection at crucial stages - poor long range shooting from play and frees - conceding 2 goals from point attempts dropping short - backs turning over possession too easily The first half was wreckless with mistakes and wides. Watching the video, there will be plenty for the Donegal boys to take heart in. I think they will prove a much more mentally tough opponent than Mayo, in terms of both composure and withstanding the pressure of a championship final. I'm not saying we did not finish well, but Donegal will punish us if we start like that again and will also never, ever, ever, ever give up a two goal lead. ever. ever. We have a great shot but im sure Eamonn Fitzmaurice is well aware of the challenge we face.
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Post by veteran on Sept 2, 2014 14:13:54 GMT
Seemingly we will be wearing green and gold in the final and the Examiner reports that Donie Buckley my become part of u21 management. Donie's return is win win. It will benefit us no doubt and it means no other county can claim him. My cup runneth over. If we win the final I will have to start using a mug.
Peanuts wonders about our history of changing colours for the final. We wore blue for the 1969 final against Offaly and against Meath in 1970.
I have been pondering about Eamon's decision to drop Marc the last day. When everything is considered, I wonder has a Kerry manager ever had to make a more agonising decision. I remember reading that in 1954 Paudie Sheehy was dropped for the final, indeed when he was captain, even though his father John Joe was a selector. However, is seems that John Joe excused himself from the room when the decision was made. Also, I feel, paradoxically as it may appear, that dropping a son/brother is an easier decision. While, for a short time, you will a sullen son/brother but you are unlikely to lose his cherished friendship in the long term. Also, regardless of the outcome you will have the high moral ground after having the probity to drop your relative.
Consider Eamon's position. He played under Paidi, played with the three lads, by all accounts has a close relationship with the O'Se clan, particularly Tomas and teaches back in their backyard. It must have been indescribably harrowing for him to approach Marc with that news. Ruthless or what. It reminds me of a story Johnny Giles told during the world cup. One of his colleagues at Leeds United was Bobby Collins. Somebody was telling Bobby one day about a great prospect he had seen and suggested that perhaps he would be worth bringing to Leeds . Apparently, Bobby replied " he sounds good but would he be prepared to kill his grandma"?, meaning would he be prepared to do anything for the cause. After the dropping of Marc, I feel somebody should warn Eamon's grandma, if she is still to the good.
As a follow on from the above, Eamon and friends will have to give a lot of thought to numbers 1 to 4. Too many sloppy goals being given away.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 2, 2014 15:50:26 GMT
Seemingly we will be wearing green and gold in the final and the Examiner reports that Donie Buckley my become part of u21 management. Donie's return is win win. It will benefit us no doubt and it means no other county can claim him. My cup runneth over. If we win the final I will have to start using a mug. Peanuts wonders about our history of changing colours for the final. We wore blue for the 1969 final against Offaly and against Meath in 1970. I have been pondering about Eamon's decision to drop Marc the last day. When everything is considered, I wonder has a Kerry manager ever had to make a more agonising decision. I remember reading that in 1954 Paudie Sheehy was dropped for the final, indeed when he was captain, even though his father John Joe was a selector. However, is seems that John Joe excused himself from the room when the decision was made. Also, I feel, paradoxically as it may appear, that dropping a son/brother is an easier decision. While, for a short time, you will a sullen son/brother but you are unlikely to lose his cherished friendship in the long term. Also, regardless of the outcome you will have the high moral ground after having the probity to drop your relative. Consider Eamon's position. He played under Paidi, played with the three lads, by all accounts has a close relationship with the O'Se clan, particularly Tomas and teaches back in their backyard. It must have been indescribably harrowing for him to approach Marc with that news. Ruthless or what. It reminds me of a story Johnny Giles told during the world cup. One of his colleagues at Leeds United was Bobby Collins. Somebody was telling Bobby one day about a great prospect he had seen and suggested that perhaps he would be worth bringing to Leeds . Apparently, Bobby replied " he sounds good but would he be prepared to kill his grandma"?, meaning would he be prepared to do anything for the cause. After the dropping of Marc, I feel somebody should warn Eamon's grandma, if she is still to the good. As a follow on from the above, Eamon and friends will have to give a lot of thought to numbers 1 to 4. Too many sloppy goals being given away. It is the duty of Eamonn & Co and Marc knows that and the gusto he rebounded with shows that he took it all on the chin; it is about a team and a county and to involve an O'Sé in anything that betrayed that would be going against the grain of what they stand for. Eamonn is nothing if he isn't honest to a fault and you detailed his 'predicament' rather eloquently Veteran. P.S. I nearly fell off the chair when I thought you were saying you 'recalled' the '54 All Ireland; alas you 'read' about it; maybe you read about it via Con Houlihan in The Evening Press the day after?
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Post by kot on Sept 2, 2014 16:09:16 GMT
Seems more likely that we'll improve while Donegal will dis-improve Not necessarily. They will put huge pressure on between the 21 and 45 lines and try and force long range attempts. As Dublin found out the last day, kicking points from 45 yards is not sustainable for 70 minutes. As Jack O'Connor stated, patience will be key to beating Donegal and when we're not scoring we must prevent them from scoring. I think I mentioned already but I don't subscribe to that. Dublin did have their opportunities within these areas, least of all 2 dead balls from within the 45 yard line which you would bank them on all day long. Dublin really lost composure and panicked while Donegal were always in control of how they were playing and what they were doing. As it was alluded to, its all about good decision making. Which too often we didn't do, particularly in the first half, when in possession in the opposition half. If we make the same mistakes against Donegal, we will be beaten. We have the players to fashion the same opportunities, its about taking them.
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Post by kerry4life on Sept 2, 2014 17:18:37 GMT
I'm hoping that's Donegal's best game, they could hardly beat a poor Armagh team a few weeks ago. They were out with a minute to go that day and then they are unbelievable against the Dubs. I'm thinking they may have peaked a little early. Its hard to keep a team in that form for another 3 weeks. Look what happened to both Mayo and Dublin after having crackers of Semi's last year they were both far off their best in that final. Obviously Donegal will be in great form but I wonder can they get back to the peaks of the Dublin game, if so we are in huge trouble unless we also find another gear which we may do due to the fact that the Mayo game will bring on that Kerry team for sure. It,s there for the taking and it would be the greatest achievement for a Kerry team if they pulled it off, in my life anyway.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 2, 2014 18:09:15 GMT
I'm thinking they may have peaked a little early. Its hard to keep a team in that form for another 3 weeks. I think this 'peaking' business is one of the big myths of the GAA.
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Post by kerry4life on Sept 2, 2014 20:01:51 GMT
I'm thinking they may have peaked a little early. Its hard to keep a team in that form for another 3 weeks. I think this 'peaking' business is one of the big myths of the GAA. Donegal I feel really played above themselves the last day which can happen to any team but rarely twice in a year. Of course they are a class team and are favorites but I feel that game against Dublin may be there best game of the year. Like when we played Dublin in 09 that was our best game of the year. As for Myths Micky Harte would disagree with you as he always had Tyrone peaking on 3rd Sunday of September when they were there, they always kept their best till last. My point is we know what to expect from Donegal they showed their hand and played their game of the year in my opinion only. Of course they can still win but I'm sticking to my guns on this one and believe Donegal may have peaked early and will find it hard to replicate what they did Sunday in 3 weeks. Lets hope I am right.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 2, 2014 20:02:43 GMT
I'm thinking they may have peaked a little early. Its hard to keep a team in that form for another 3 weeks. I think this 'peaking' business is one of the big myths of the GAA. Both teams will find it very difficult to reach the heights that they reached last Saturday and Sunday. I don't think it's possible to peak for a final, however, Kerry's physical conditioning and reserves of fitness were incredible last Saturday evening. Some of the hits that relatively smaller men like Fionn, Crowley and o Leary put in were astounding. Compliments to Cian O Neill on the great work done over the last couple of years. We will need plenty more of the same to have a decent chance in the final.
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Post by southward on Sept 2, 2014 20:56:15 GMT
A lot could hinge on things over which neither team has any control. Like injuries for instance - we'll be lucky if everyone's OK after Saturday. Then there's the weather - a swirling wind will militate against distance shooting which could be important against Donegal. And of course the man in the middle who's as prone to a mistake as anyone else on the field.
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Post by watchdebreakswillye on Sept 2, 2014 21:15:02 GMT
A lot could hinge on things over which neither team has any control. Like injuries for instance - we'll be lucky if everyone's OK after Saturday. Then there's the weather - a swirling wind will militate against distance shooting which could be important against Donegal. And of course the man in the middle who's as prone to a mistake as anyone else on the field. Another thing southward is mistakes by players. With the game now at such a high intensity (a lot are saying that the match last Saturday evening in Limerick was like a hurling match, it was so fast), it is easy for any player from either side, who is not 100% on his game, to make a mistake. Then, depending on the sharpness of the opposition, these mistakes will be punished. Psychologically, a mistake upsets the player who made it and this can become a malaise within the team, if the mistakes are widespread. Kerry have learned a lot from the two games v Mayo & this should re-focus all the players. But of course, 'tis easy to talk. The Donegal game is a whole new ball game. Bodies are tired right now, but come 3 weeks, the Kerry boys will be re-energised and ready to play out of their skins, hopefully keeping the mistakes count to a minimum during the game. Of course, the man who never made a mistake, never made nattin'
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Post by jolyn on Sept 3, 2014 14:26:40 GMT
It's worth noting that Sean Moran in times today has gone back to the usual guff of football badly refereed and in-disciplined now that Dubs are no longer going to win the all-Ireland ' for the next 5 years'. I await the Sunday games equally forensic analysis of ref next Sunday in the hurling in the interest of balance. On balance of 2 games IMO both teams got away with things from ref.If truth be told Mayo can thank the same ref for their win over Cork.
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 3, 2014 16:04:47 GMT
Anybody guess what this is
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 3, 2014 17:21:51 GMT
Anybody guess what this is Donegal backing up the bus?
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Sept 3, 2014 18:39:34 GMT
Jim Gavin about to explode last Sunday afternoon?
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Post by stevieq on Sept 3, 2014 18:53:26 GMT
Anybody guess what this is The heart monitor I should have been attached to last Saturday after nearly flaking out the Saturday before
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 3, 2014 19:41:54 GMT
Anybody guess what this is The heart monitor I should have been attached to last Saturday after nearly flaking out the Saturday before Its the Dublin Open-Top Bus reversing back into the garage.
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Post by stevieq on Sept 3, 2014 20:16:26 GMT
Anybody guess what this is The number of stewards needed to keep an overweight Mayo fan from getting into Supermacs? ?
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