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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 13:21:01 GMT
Lads before the Mayo game Kerry have lots of work to do. I think in both attack and defence. To be straight JOD and Paul Geaney are our only real main threat up front, now I know they got 1-9 of Kerry's total but We do need the likes of Stephen O' Brien the next day as we do need alot more pace in the forwards.I think BJK could and should atleast be used against Mayo.I think we need a proper Centre forward aswell. Now of course Johnny Buckley is great to have around the middle for primary possession etc. And surely the Gooch will take up the role next year but if we want an All Ireland title this year I think it should definitely be looked at.Likewise at the back the Centre back role is most certainly not for Killian Young and I think it is probably best suited to Peter Crowley as he would have the physicality to stop the runs of the O'Shea's etc.full back I think we should be fine with the likes of Fionn Fitz,Mark Griffin,Enright Marc O'Se etc. Etc.As for around the middle Anthony Maher will really have to up his game if he wants to stay there if Bryan Sheehan is fit he is a certainty also Johnny Buckley David Moran will be knocking around there aswell. Its a tough ask but it's most certainly doable
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Post by glengael on Aug 4, 2014 13:26:52 GMT
by the way.... wasn't the noise/music shocking in Croke Park..... like a teenage disco.....what are they at? I mentioned this a few times in years past. It used to be just screaming ads but now we have One Republic and (God help us) Nathan Carter to add to the aural delights of Lady GA GA and U2 who have been defeaning us for years. Is there an Entertainments Officer on the payroll at HQ I wonder ? The match itself was like an episode from "Ripleys Believe it or Not" which used to be on the telly in the 80's with Jack Palance. The Strange, the Bizarre and the Unexplained.....
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Post by seamo on Aug 4, 2014 13:35:17 GMT
Can those so quick to criticise and dismiss David Moran please provide an alternative selection? Or are ye just the usual fair whether supporters, can't back a guy until his contribution his awarded with an All-Star or the likes?!!! The guy carried us in midfield yesterday. Kicked a great point in the first half, which if Gooch or JOD had of kicked there'd be thread's here dedicated to it!!! Aside from that contribution to the scoreboard, he delivered some very direct, accurate, quick and long low passes into the forward line on numerous occasions. I may be wrong, but he turned the ball over twice from what I can remember He's handpassing is cumbersome at best, but name me a player who doesn't have some fault? Some of his high fielding was a joy to watch, and especially difficult given the bean poles he was up against! It should also be noted that the turnovers many are alluding to occurred in Kerry's defence, which just goes to show that he covered a huge amount of ground trying to contribute in attack and defence. All this whilst his midfield partner was awol. Sheehan and Moran for midfield, and be happy with it people!!!
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Post by seamo on Aug 4, 2014 13:48:44 GMT
by the way.... wasn't the noise/music shocking in Croke Park..... like a teenage disco.....what are they at? I mentioned this a few times in years past. It used to be just screaming ads but now we have One Republic and (God help us) Nathan Carter to add to the aural delights of Lady GA GA and U2 who have been defeaning us for years. Is there an Entertainments Officer on the payroll at HQ I wonder ? The match itself was like an episode from "Ripleys Believe it or Not" which used to be on the telly in the 80's with Jack Palance. The Strange, the Bizarre and the Unexplained..... For the laugh, they should have just played Garth Brooks non-stop!!!
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Post by homerj on Aug 4, 2014 14:48:03 GMT
if we play as well as we did in last years semi final, we have a great chance.Mayo will be favourites, but its a game we can win if everybody plays to their potential.
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Post by fitz on Aug 4, 2014 15:20:30 GMT
Can those so quick to criticise and dismiss David Moran please provide an alternative selection? Or are ye just the usual fair whether supporters, can't back a guy until his contribution his awarded with an All-Star or the likes?!!! The guy carried us in midfield yesterday. Kicked a great point in the first half, which if Gooch or JOD had of kicked there'd be thread's here dedicated to it!!! Aside from that contribution to the scoreboard, he delivered some very direct, accurate, quick and long low passes into the forward line on numerous occasions. I may be wrong, but he turned the ball over twice from what I can remember He's handpassing is cumbersome at best, but name me a player who doesn't have some fault? Some of his high fielding was a joy to watch, and especially difficult given the bean poles he was up against! It should also be noted that the turnovers many are alluding to occurred in Kerry's defence, which just goes to show that he covered a huge amount of ground trying to contribute in attack and defence. All this whilst his midfield partner was awol. Sheehan and Moran for midfield, and be happy with it people!!! Totally agree, Moran had a super game and I counted two hand pass turnovers, bad as they were, they were the only blemishes. He was in midfield on his own. Whilst most folks agree he should start the next day, I feel most people undervalued his performance. The Mayo so strong, Galway are rubbish being pedalled as a graph we have to elevate is hyperbole gone mad. Galway scored 16 points against Mayo, and nearly broke the crossbar, we annihilated Cork, but of course Cork never showed up is the only explanation ? yet Mayo scraped home yesterday conceding 2-15. Surely we'll hammer the sh*te out of Mayo on that logic. Of course we won't but folks think we've a gulf to bridge? We have in our boll*x, 1-20 with a number of players underperforming, we have a psychological wedge on Mayo, although I'd say that's minimal, it might affect someone like Dillon though,they haven't beaten us in Championship in 18 years, Fitz and Cian will have them coiled perfectly, if we can get Stephen and Bryan fit, we'll have a hell of a cut off them. I think it's only slightly Mayo favourites, at 52% - 48% in my reckoning based on the form we've seen. Beating Roscommon a point? They're far from perfect.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 4, 2014 15:30:37 GMT
I too though Moran was excellent. I omitted to say that in my post. However, losing/giving away possession in the middle is a recipe for disaster especially with backs afraid of getting a black card. Mayo look like a team doing enough. When the game was there to be won yesterday they did it. Twice in fact...just after half time and just after the Cork goal.
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Post by townend on Aug 4, 2014 17:18:03 GMT
David Moran was very good when he came on and Galways midfield are very good two bigmen and can also play football. he has to start again Mayo if not it will be to late again he comes on the damage will be done. Johnny Buckley goes AWOL In croker the frees he miss he would never miss in munster JOD outstanding again but we need another 3 at least to step up to the mark again Mayo.
BJ Keane done well but thats the way to used him bring him on for the last 20 or 15 minutes not a player who plays great when he starts. i would worry for Aidan O'Mahony the next day as Mayo will look to get him on one on ones with Cillan O'Connor. Anthony Maher will have to up it big time and in no way should David Moran be dropped for him. the weak point in this mayo team is their fullback line if we can break 50/50 midfield and by past their half back line we have the forward power to beat them Kerry by 5 points for me.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 4, 2014 17:54:34 GMT
Moran is as honest a footballer as you'll find, a chip off the auld block, you'd love to see him achieve given what he has been through, immense persona, well as I said, a chip, etc...... Was yesterday his best yet? I'd forgive seamo if only because David is low profile, well as I said, a chip! Kind of a fella you wouldn't know he was in the room. Maybe it's bad manners of me to be making so much of him to him but I never claimed to be perfect.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 4, 2014 18:05:30 GMT
And the best of all was Brolly opening up O'Rourke and who is in NAMA by asking him on screen if his creditors knew he was gambling at Galway races!
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Post by givehimaball on Aug 4, 2014 18:46:11 GMT
A very flat performance for the most part - the string of early misses by Galway were a massive self-inflicted blow to their hopes - you could almost see the belief leaking away from them with every miss. Then Kerry started scoring and were 1-5 up before Galway got on the scoreboard. At that stage it felt like Galway had pretty much beaten themselves and only rank carelessness by Kerry would allow Galway a chance, so Kerry decided to try and keep things close by gifting Galway 2 soft goals. Then there was a certain stage in the match where Galway were clearly energised by the fact that they were still remotely in with a chance after being so awful initially - a case of lads looking around and going lads we were rank awful to start but there are 30-25 minutes left and we are only 2/3 points down; we got 4 goals against Tipp, maybe we can pull the same rabbit from the hat twice. however Kerry did enough to open up the gap again and Galway faded badly in the last 10 minutes allowing our lads to put a bit of a gloss on the scoreboard in one way or to re-establish the gap in quality if looked at another way. Overall Galway really didnt have the look of serious contenders, but looked more like a team that was happy enough to make up the numbers, that would be happy enough as long as they didn't get a tanking.
We're in an All-Ireland semi after beating Clare, Cork and Galway, with Clare being the side that gave us the toughest game. Do we need to double-check it isn't a hurling semi-final we have landed ourselves in?
You can only beat whats ahead of you but the fact that our odds to win Sam are longer after beating Galway than before tells us an awful lot about the overall level of performance this was.
Mayo while not without their flaws (letting the Cork lads back into it, when the game should have been done and dusted) are certainly going to be a step-up in quality.
Roll on the double-header anyway
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 4, 2014 19:38:32 GMT
David Moran deserves all the plaudits being thrown around for sure as he was outstanding yesterday. I for one, did not believe we would see the best of him until next year, given all he has been through and the lack of game time he has seen this year; his performance yesterday should guarantee him a starting role on 24th- if Sheehan & Maher are persisted with then he is an option on the "40" - he has played here regularly and given his accuracy would be a real threat going forward; his foot passing is of the highest calibre and coupled with his physique and athleticism is a must to start against Mayo.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 4, 2014 19:48:54 GMT
What I was happy with after yesterdays game was that Kerry seemed to take a high percentage of the scoring chances that came their way. It seemed in the first 25 minutes that anytime we got inside Galways 45 we scored. That kind of economy will be crucial against Mayo, especially if they start the flunk their lines at the other end.
I thought Fionn did well at the back (on a big man in Conroy) but other than that the remainder of the backs didnt really put in big performances. I would expect Eamonn Fitz will be telling his backs that if somebody has to take a black card then take it in a situation which led to the first goal. It was criminal.
David Moran more or less had to take on the job of two players at midfield and did well enough but needs to realise that giving the ball away like he did twice in a few minutes is a recipe for disaster against Mayo or Dublin/Donegal. Anthony Maher was outclassed by Gary Brennan against Clare and again was well beaten yesterday. Against Mayo he wont be marking a fella who is watching himself for a Munster Hurling final the following weekend and he needs to buck up. If Sheehan is fit I think there would be a strong temptation to go with Sheehan and Moran.
It was nice to see Mikey Geaney give an indication of what he can do. He came in for lots of criticism (like Donnchadh Walsh in his early career) after the league & Clare game and this game will do him the world of good. Declan was well beaten I thought and looked slower than any man who was marking him but I would expect a huge game from him in 3 weeks. I would criticise Paul Geaney for a few times he had the ball in hand and lost it straight away. I can recall two or three times that happened in the first half but overall he was good again with excellent movement. James O Donoghue had to move further out the pitch than he would have liked but some of his scores were top class. I hope his shoulder is ok cos I saw him get a belt in the first half and it looked to me like he was uncomfortable with it for the rest of the day.
Unfortunately any of our second half subs didnt set the world alight either yesterday. Darran Sullivan seems to have retuned to Darran circa 2008. It also says something when Donaghy getting no run at all warrants little comment.
Finally Brendan Kealy was often slated here for his kick outs but I wonder is Brian Kelly any improvement in this department? I would lay the blame for the second goal firmly in his hands. I think it was Killian who had dropped just inside the 45 for a quick ball but it was like Kelly had his mind made up he was aiming it towards Johnny Buckley under the Hogan Stand. Result was Galway won the ball and scored a goal. He also ignored Moran for a similar ball in the first half and went long.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 4, 2014 19:52:25 GMT
by the way.... wasn't the noise/music shocking in Croke Park..... like a teenage disco.....what are they at? There seems to be little happy medium. Its either like the Fleadh Ceol, a Wolfe Tone Tributes band or the worst of day time radio. Next we'll be having some music played every time Dublin score a goal.
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Post by southward on Aug 4, 2014 20:02:47 GMT
There was one near calamitous moment when a short kick out went straight at a Galway man only to bounce back to Kelly. He had a few dodgy moments alright but everyone's entitled now and again. Made a smart save near the end when a goal would have made it a 3 point game. Thought Enright did OK. Maher was totally absent - shocking performance. Lundy got away with a bucketful of steps which enabled him to get around Kelly for the goal. That rule seems to have gone out the window.
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Post by seamo on Aug 4, 2014 20:17:40 GMT
Wasn't this Brian Kelly's first game for Kerry in Croke Park? I think we're being a bit over critical now, he's much better than Kiely.
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Post by veteran on Aug 4, 2014 20:26:09 GMT
I suppose there was no stage during the game that Kerry looked like losing ,still things were uncomfortable when the deficit was reduced to two points. But credit where credit is due , they finished in style. The most pertinent aspect of the first half overall was the economy of the Kerry forwards and how dominant Galway were possession wise, albeit they wasted a huge proportion of this possession although a lot of praise is due to the Kerry defence for forcing them to shoot from distance and from wide angles.
In any circumstance the loss of Bryan Sheehan would be massive, not just for his frees, but this loss was underscored by how poor Anthony Maher played. It must be said that David Moran played a huge role when he came on but Bryan has emerged as our most complete midfielder. His possible loss against Mayo would be monumental, especially how rampaging the O'Shea boys can be. Aiden is a horse of a man and the brother is not far behind. It is a shame that their parents did not remain in Kerry!
It is a truism now that our forwards are better than most as a unit, second only to Dublin at this stage, but of course they need that ball supply and the meaner the defence the greater the need for a regular supply. What I am leading on to say is that our midfield selection necessitates close scrutiny, perhaps with the choice not written in stone but based on the opposing pair. I wrote after the Clare game that Anthony Maher needed to give far more than he did in that game or indeed through most of the NFL. He did improve a little against Cork but he made little contribution yesterday. He now rarely goes up to catch the ball but rather has developed this infuriating habit of rising with one hand and breaking it down aimlessly, as often to an opponent as to a colleague. Another factor that occurred on a few occasions, not just his fault, was that both he and David jumped for the same ball and the resultant break was snapped up by Galway. That is maddening even at junior B level. I feel a fit Bryan has to be at midfield against Mayo. Who to partner him? David caught some good ones and did a lot of productive work. He can be unwieldy on the ball and cough it up but he is a strong robust man and maybe suited to those man eaters, the O'Shea brothers. Of course, Anthony may be carrying an injury which would explain his poor display. If that is the case, why was he not replaced and KD brought on for while? Indeed, I was surprised KD did not make appearance in some sector of the field.
Apart from Anrhony's loss of form, another worrying aspect of our game is the lack of pace in our forward line, JO'D apart. That is why it is of paramount importance that Stephen O'Brien is fit for future games. His electrifying bursts towards goal could be a crucial factor in dismantling those massed defences. Talking about pace, that was a key ingredient of Galway's display and they had it in every sector of the pitch.
It is unlikely that Brian Kelly could be faulted for either goal, not sure about the one in the first half as it was too far away from me, but I do wish he would keep his head up when preparing his kick out. He missed a lot of good running by Kerry players off the ball by not doing so.
Killian struggled against a very lively and very hardy opponent in Michael Lundy. I have said it before but that Paul Murphy is one defiant, determined opponent. He was marking that emerging star, Shane Walsh, and conceded just a point or two. There was one occasion in the second half when a Galway player should have securely won a ball but Paul emerged like a terrier for a no hope ball, and even though he fell,he tangled to the last before being finally beaten. A vivid demonstration of dying with the boots on. He has pace too. Shane Enright is returning to the form he demonstrated a few years back. Fionn was masterful. I had a good view of him in the second half and he gave a textbook demonstration of unglamorous, unfussy defence play which may not have been captured on TV- a hand in there ,a foot in here, a sense of position at all times, all done in a calm, unhurried fashion. Brought back memories to an old codger of the incomparable, late Seamus Murphy.
It is funny how an incident very early in a game can give a foresight into what might unfold during a game. In the first five minutes or so Anthony Maher broke down a ball about ten metres from the Hogan stand side of the pitch. It broke about ten metres from Declan but it appeared those strapped up knees could not propel him to collect, rather the ball trickled over the line. Now, Declan subsequently made a contribution but never approached the grandeur of Pairc Ui Caoimh. Could it be that the unforgiving acreage of Croke Park makes too many demands on that creaking body. Time will tell.
Johnny Buckley was reasonable but he maybe another man who finds the expanse of Croke Park too unfriendly, for different reasons. Doncha scored two fine points and produced his usual quota of sweat for the cause. Mikey Geaney stepped up on his Ennis form but I would like to see him thunder in for more breaks.
There is no need to comment on JO'D and indeed Paul Geaney. Paul has been remarkable in his first year of real championship fare.
BJK was industrious when he came on and kicked a couple of very good points. The question of course that presents itself is he capable of winning hard ball against uncompromising opponents? It is up to BJK to dispel that doubt.
The Cork/Mayo game was on a different planet in terms of intensity, physicality and nastiness. It was an absorbing contest. I was not a bit surprised that Cork put up such a performance but I did not expect them to lose by a mere point. It appeared they were on the canvas after the third quarter but would not concede. They can optimistically look forward to 2015.
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Post by homerj on Aug 4, 2014 21:33:53 GMT
thought our kickouts were really poor yesterday, we seem to win very few of them and in fact did better on Galways than on our own.
need to work on this for the semi. in saying that, we have kicked 1-45 in two games pulling up in the last 20 against Cork scoring feck all...not bad for a one man team?
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 5, 2014 6:19:30 GMT
Wasn't a very comfortable match to be at on Sunday but with the benefit of hindsight we never looked like we were going to throw it away. The ropiest moment was after the second Galway goal but we kept the head and put the Tribesmen out of contention. Reading the post-match analysis it's very amusing that Kerry only win when the other team is playing uncharacteristically badly (Cork) or so overawed by the occasion that they won't take their chance to upset the script.
Anyway we're in a much better place than any one of us would have thought after the first three League matches and all the retirements and injuries. Our destiny is truly in our own hands..
Enjoy!
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 5, 2014 11:16:51 GMT
Nothing about Sundays game surprised me. Eamon used this game perfectly. Every kick will be analysed forensically. He gave nothing away. They are not training behind closed doors to reveal everything this early against a mediocre Galway team. A lot was going to depend on players working hard, doing the basics right, and showing “what they’ve got in their locker”. Unfortunately a small number were found badly wanting.
O’Mahony is struggling with the pace at this stage of the championship. For the umpteenth time it has been shown that Young is not a centre back. Crowley is the only player that can close the centre – its reaching the point that unless he is very much off form he must still be considered – look at the way management has persisted with an off form Maher. Substituting Marc won’t do him any harm.
Maher showed that his chance has come and gone – it has to be Moran & Sheehan for the semi. Buckley was disappointing – he struggles to play himself into big games. The forwards generally read each other and make space for each other very well.
As regards Martin McHugh - he was just starting the mind games because there is a possibility that Kerry could meet Donegal in the A I Final. He knows that Kerry as underdogs can be lethal. What better way to make them favourites and put the pressure on them than to say that they have the best player he “has ever seen” and play down the loss of the player that Colm O’Rourke said was possibly the greatest ever. He’s just sowing the seeds….. its like they say about politicians “Don’t vote- It only encourages them”
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 5, 2014 18:11:12 GMT
And the best of all was Brolly opening up O'Rourke and who is in NAMA by asking him on screen if his creditors knew he was gambling at Galway races! I thought it was phenomenally classless of Brolly to be honest. Someone's personal life is not for discussion on the SG
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Post by seamo on Aug 5, 2014 18:23:48 GMT
And the best of all was Brolly opening up O'Rourke and who is in NAMA by asking him on screen if his creditors knew he was gambling at Galway races! I thought it was phenomenally classless of Brolly to be honest. Someone's personal life is not for discussion on the SG If he did that to Spillane I wouldn't have been surprised, but if he's willing to do something like that to O Rourke who isn't confrontational, than Brolly could do it to anyone. Classless.
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Post by fitz on Aug 5, 2014 21:00:58 GMT
Agree, in context of a person's character and private personal affairs, the Sunday game is no place for dissection of either. A much more serious and damning behavior, and totally unacceptable. He should be fired immediately.
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Post by givehimaball on Aug 6, 2014 20:56:24 GMT
Dont Foul's numbers on the Galway game. No real surprise that Galway's shooting was a massive issue for them. The analysis of where Galway's attacks originated from shows that Kerry really have to work on the turnover issue - Mayo are surely a better team than Galway at creating these turnover (it would be interesting to see how many of these 10 turnovers were self-inflicted as opposed to being "created" by Mayo pressure)and are clearly better at taking advantage of these turnovers. Definitely not in my opinion - Mayo are very unlikely to be as bad as Galway and Cork in this area. I would expect the shots from play taken under pressure percentage to be completely different. What jumps out at me was overall is how close the stats were in a number of categories (apart from the most important one of the scoreline) and the shooting. Basically this looked very much like a 50/50 game where Kerry's superior shooting performance won it. dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/08/06/galway-v-kerry-2014-championship/
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Post by dontfoul on Aug 7, 2014 9:21:57 GMT
The 10 Kerry turnovers that occurred outside Galway's 65 were broken down as follows
4 lost through the tackle 5 through passes (one was from a free which is criminal, 3x hand passes & 1x kick pass) 1 where the ball was fouled
I don't have whether Galway pressured the passes but I'd guess that the majority were not. The bigger thing was who gave up the turnovers. I had Moran giving up 4 (3x passes & 1 through the tackle) whilst O'Mahoney gave up three (2x pass & the aforementioned fouled ball)
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