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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 16, 2014 8:29:45 GMT
A big break, nearly 7 weeks, from the action until the Tipp v Limerick QF on 31st May and Clare v Waterford, a week later.
Perhaps people might like to post some information on preparation, injuries etc, to whet out appetites.
Kerry are off to Portugal for 5 days over Easter. Interesting if we learn who's travelling. Any of the U21 side joining the Senior Panel ?
Like Kerry, Cork got a severe reality check and will be getting down to some serious work. They will be hampered by the unavailability of their U21's until Saturday, at least.
John Galvin is supposed to be back training with Limerick - good to see - he's been one of the best MF'ers in the country in the last decade. Interesting to see if Tipp can build on their underage success and what, if any, will be the impact of the comprehensive beating by Cork in U21 of their 2011 AI winning Minor Side.
Clare could be the surprise package in Munster. They are managed by Podge Collins' father (Podge is playing dual) and coached by Paudie Kissane (Cork) Only I defeat (away to Tipp) in the league and appearing in Div 4 Final in CP on Sun Week. Waterford nearly beat Galway (away) in the last year's qualifiers so their clash should be interesting.
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Post by fitz on Apr 17, 2014 21:19:18 GMT
That second half mauling at Dublin's hands will have made a serious psychological dent in the Cork side. Paddy Kelly and Michael Shiels about the only ones who stood up in second half. I'd give Hurley a free pass as he got no ball. Tom Clancy again spent his day persistently fouling. Colm O'Neill had a nightmare, goal aside. He didn't hold one pass. O'Connor very poor too. But for a fine midfielder Aidan Walsh's contribution from sub was entirely negative, turned over and giving ball away repeatedly. They had 0 bite. I would not be inclined to encourage dirty play, but given how badly they were being ransacked starting a row might have been an option to try and break their complete physical and psychological grip on the game and the momentum it generated. They're a fine team Dublin. No other team in the country would overcome a ten point lead and win pulling up. No question of heads dropping at any stage. As great as Dublin were, Cork capitulated in the second half, to put some semblance of realism in the game's assessment. I think this result is a good boost for Kerry approaching Cork in the summer, especially as when the sh*it hit the fan, Cuthbert's changes were reminiscent of his predecessor's under pressure. Dublin will take some beating, they might be slightly vulnerable at quarters given the inevitable anonymity the Leinster Championship will be. We look to hope.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 18, 2014 9:42:52 GMT
That second half mauling at Dublin's hands will have made a serious psychological dent in the Cork side. Paddy Kelly and Michael Shiels about the only ones who stood up in second half. I'd give Hurley a free pass as he got no ball. Tom Clancy again spent his day persistently fouling. Colm O'Neill had a nightmare, goal aside. He didn't hold one pass. O'Connor very poor too. But for a fine midfielder Aidan Walsh's contribution from sub was entirely negative, turned over and giving ball away repeatedly. They had 0 bite. I would not be inclined to encourage dirty play, but given how badly they were being ransacked starting a row might have been an option to try and break their complete physical and psychological grip on the game and the momentum it generated. They're a fine team Dublin. No other team in the country would overcome a ten point lead and win pulling up. No question of heads dropping at any stage. As great as Dublin were, Cork capitulated in the second half, to put some semblance of realism in the game's assessment. I think this result is a good boost for Kerry approaching Cork in the summer, especially as when the sh*it hit the fan, Cuthbert's changes were reminiscent of his predecessor's under pressure. Dublin will take some beating, they might be slightly vulnerable at quarters given the inevitable anonymity the Leinster Championship will be. We look to hope. You would have to think so - Cork were outscored 2-13 to 0-2 in the last 30 minutes - players would be shell-shocked after this. The bookies still have Cork as clear favourites to win Munster and as 2nd favs with Mayo, for Sam. I can't see how that's justified. Cork have a few decent forwards but have serious problems in MF and defence. Eamon Fitz will fancy his chances in Munster.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 18, 2014 9:43:02 GMT
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 18, 2014 10:26:49 GMT
That second half mauling at Dublin's hands will have made a serious psychological dent in the Cork side. Paddy Kelly and Michael Shiels about the only ones who stood up in second half. I'd give Hurley a free pass as he got no ball. Tom Clancy again spent his day persistently fouling. Colm O'Neill had a nightmare, goal aside. He didn't hold one pass. O'Connor very poor too. But for a fine midfielder Aidan Walsh's contribution from sub was entirely negative, turned over and giving ball away repeatedly. They had 0 bite. I would not be inclined to encourage dirty play, but given how badly they were being ransacked starting a row might have been an option to try and break their complete physical and psychological grip on the game and the momentum it generated. They're a fine team Dublin. No other team in the country would overcome a ten point lead and win pulling up. No question of heads dropping at any stage. As great as Dublin were, Cork capitulated in the second half, to put some semblance of realism in the game's assessment. I think this result is a good boost for Kerry approaching Cork in the summer, especially as when the sh*it hit the fan, Cuthbert's changes were reminiscent of his predecessor's under pressure. Dublin will take some beating, they might be slightly vulnerable at quarters given the inevitable anonymity the Leinster Championship will be. We look to hope. You would have to think so - Cork were outscored 2-13 to 0-2 in the last 30 minutes - players would be shell-shocked after this. The bookies still have Cork as clear favourites to win Munster and as 2nd favs with Mayo, for Sam. I can't see how that's justified. Cork have a few decent forwards but have serious problems in MF and defence. Eamon Fitz will fancy his chances in Munster. It's more to do with the fact that our recent record in Pairc Ui Chaoimh is dire, only 1 win in the last 5 Championship games there.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 24, 2014 20:15:59 GMT
Saw this on another Site :-
Brian Cuthbert and his selectors have announced their Championship panel for 2014 as follows:
1) Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown) 2) David Hanrahan (Douglas) 3) Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s - Captain) 4) Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown) 5) Noel Galvin (Ballincollig) 6) Eoin Cadogan (Douglas) 7) Kevin Crowley (Millstreet) 8) James Loughrey (Mallow) 9) Tom Clancy (Clonakilty) 10) Tomás Clancy (Fermoy) 11) Damien Cahalane (Castlehaven) 12) Sean Dineen (Castlehaven) 13) Aidan Walsh (Kanturk) 14) Fintan Goold (Macroom) 15) Andrew O’Sullivan (Castletownbere) 16) Ruairi Deane (Bantry Blues) 17) Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers) 18) Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh) 19) Mark Collins (Castlehaven) 20) Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers) 21) John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers) 22) Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig) 23) Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg) 24) Donncha O’Connor (Ballydesmond) 25) Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough) 26) Brian Hurley (Castlehaven) 27) John Hayes (Carbery Rangers) 28) Donal Óg Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)
The following players will also work with the squad as developmental players.
Conor Dorman (Bishopstown) Sean White (Clonakilty) Brian O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh) Ian Maguire (St. Finbarr’s) Cathal Vaughan (Iveleary) Mark Sugrue (Bandon) Alan Cadogan (Douglas) Dan MacEoin (Ilen Rovers)
Looks like Cork are putting a lot of effort into developing younger players - 9 players from this year's U21 side are now involved with their Senior Squad. Anyone know if any of our U21's have been promoted yet ?
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 24, 2014 22:48:24 GMT
Looks like Cork are putting a lot of effort into developing younger players - 9 players from this year's U21 side are now involved with their Senior Squad. Anyone know if any of our U21's have been promoted yet ? Not hugely surprising that Cork have so many U21s are involved - with so many retirements and their U21s having a pretty decent campaign. Looking at that I'd say midfield and corner-backs are the "weak" positions in terms of squad depth at the moment ; weak probably being a relative term. The fact that Cork are bringing Dineen from Castlehaven in at this stage is an interesting insight into the state of things at midfield. He has a pretty decent reputation in terms of putting in performances for Castlehaven but is a farmer and is limited in terms of what training he can do for the club [the notion that farming is career unsuited to inter-county football is one I found very odd (I can understand the logic of it but it just feels weird)] I suppose it says a huge amount about the time involved in playing inter-county these days.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 25, 2014 10:34:54 GMT
Looks like Cork are putting a lot of effort into developing younger players - 9 players from this year's U21 side are now involved with their Senior Squad. Anyone know if any of our U21's have been promoted yet ? Not hugely surprising that Cork have so many U21s are involved - with so many retirements and their U21s having a pretty decent campaign. Looking at that I'd say midfield and corner-backs are the "weak" positions in terms of squad depth at the moment ; weak probably being a relative term.
The fact that Cork are bringing Dineen from Castlehaven in at this stage is an interesting insight into the state of things at midfield. He has a pretty decent reputation in terms of putting in performances for Castlehaven but is a farmer and is limited in terms of what training he can do for the club [the notion that farming is career unsuited to inter-county football is one I found very odd (I can understand the logic of it but it just feels weird)] I suppose it says a huge amount about the time involved in playing inter-county these days. I thought the same. There seems to be a general consenus that playing IC Dual is not really viable since the advent of the qualifiers. Even the lad Chin from Wexford couldn't hack it for long. Cork look light in the corners with Cadogan playing dual and very little IC experience there. The same applies to MF with AW being the only experienced MF'er AFAICS and he will be also affected by dual commitments. Maybe they will cope with this but with the black card impacting on the FB line in particular and MF being so vital - Cork still have a lot of issues before the can be considered AI prospects. I suppose the same can be said of Kerry.
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Post by glengael on Apr 25, 2014 13:55:15 GMT
Cork still have a lot of issues before the can be considered AI prospects.
I suppose the same can be said of Kerry.Award for Understatement of the Week I'd say.
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Post by glengael on Apr 26, 2014 18:34:03 GMT
I may have spoken too soon in giving out that last Award.
David Henry was commenting on the Div 4 League Final Clare v Tipp on TG4 last night.
He said he was surprised to read that only 3 or 4 current Clare Footballers have played in Croke Park before this weekend. He said it was easy to forget that some players don't get to play there, given how many games Dublin play there (or words to that effect).
Easily known he doesn't look at this forum.
I'd be curious to know the total number of times his fellow panellist Tomas O'Se played in Croke Park. Just as a matter of interest.
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Post by diego on Apr 28, 2014 11:03:02 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/kerry-ace-donaghy-a-doubt-for-munster-championship-266740.htmlKerry ace Donaghy a doubt for Munster Championship By Colm O’Connor Kieran Donaghy is in danger of missing Kerry’s Championship campaign after another injury setback. The talismanic Kingdom star suffered a suspected shoulder dislocation while playing for Austin Stacks in their senior club championship match against Milltown-Castlemaine yesterday. Ironically, it was his first game of competitive football since last season when he was sidelined with a serious groin problem. Donaghy was introduced as a third midfielder in the second half of the tie and was showing impressive form before he fell heavily following a late shoulder charge. He was immediately substituted and left with his arm in a sling. The 2006 Footballer of the Year underwent a scan in Kerry General Hospital late yesterday evening to discover the extent of the problem. The result of that scan is expected to be known later today. His absence would be another massive blow to manager Eamonn Fitzmaurice who is already with Colm Cooper for the season ahead.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 28, 2014 23:40:03 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 29, 2014 6:49:50 GMT
From the official site yesterday Donaghy only played about 10 minutes before he picked up the injury. Sheehan played in 4 games in the league playing 191 minutes. Darran played in 4 games in the league but only played 55 minutes. I know Declan played for Dromids against Na Gaeil and Young played some part against Fossa but didnt play the full game. No offence but playing Junior & Novice games isn't exactly ideal preparation for intercounty, off the back of no league time. When you look at these injuries & lack of match practice and then look at the level of Championship experience this 5 players compared to others in the squad, it's hard to be very positive. Age 1st Champ 1st Champ Champ Champ App Start Apps Starts
1 Colm Cooper 31 2002 2002 76 75 2 Marc Ó Sé 34 2002 2002 74 71 3 DeclanO'Sullivan31 2003 2003 61 58 4 Aidan O'Mahony 34 2004 2004 56 51 5 DarrenO'Sullivan28 2005 2006 51 23 6 Bryan Sheehan 29 2005 2005 48 31 7 Kieran Donaghy 31 2005 2006 46 38 8 Killian Young 27 2006 2007 39 38 9 Donnacha Walsh 30 2008 2008 32 29 10 Brendan Kealy 28 2010 2010 22 22 11 Anthony Maher 27 2010 2010 20 17 12 Kieran O'Leary 27 2008 2011 18 11 13 Barry John Keane25 2010 0 13 0 14 James O'Donoghue25 2011 2012 13 7 15 David Moran 26 2008 2010 12 2 16 Shane Enright 26 2011 2011 12 9 17 Johnny Buckley 25 2012 2013 9 5 18 Peter Crowley 25 2012 2012 8 7 19 Brian McGuire 25 2012 2013 5 1 20 Fionn Fitzgerald24 2013 2013 5 4 21 Mark Griffin 23 2013 2013 3 2 22 Jonathan Lyne 25 2012 0 1 0 23 Mikey Geaney 25 2013 0 1 0 24 Paul Geaney 25 2013 0 1 0 25 Jack Sherwood 23 2013 2013 1 0 26 Daithi Casey 25 0 0 0 0 27 Alan Fitzgerald 24 0 0 0 0 28 Barry Shanahan 24 0 0 0 0 29 Brian Kelly 24 0 0 0 0 30 Conor Cox 23 0 0 0 0 31 Mark Reen 23 0 0 0 0 32 Paul Murphy 23 0 0 0 0 33 Stephen O'Brien 23 0 0 0 0 34 David Culhane 22 0 0 0 0 35 Edmond Walsh 22 0 0 0 0 36 James Walsh 22 0 0 0 0 37 Marcus Mangan 22 0 0 0 0 38 Pa Kilkenny 22 0 0 0 0 39 ShaneO’Callaghan22 0 0 0 0
Throw in the 3 lads who have retired Age 1st Champ 1st Champ Champ Champ App Start Apps Starts Tomas Ó Sé 35 1998 1998 88 87 Eoin Brosnan 34 2001 2001 69 14 Paul Galvin 35 2003 2004 55 45
I know I've said this before but compared to last year there is a lot of experienced battle-hardened winners gone from the squad with those 3. Then you have Cooper missing for the season. Now there is a lot of questions about the fitness/match sharpness/form hanging over a lot of the more experienced members of the panel. Obviously there is the opportunity for lads to step up and some will undoubtedly do so, but I think we need to remember that for a serious chunk of the squad it will be their 1st/2nd/3rd Championship. Basically I think this season moreso than any for a long-time Kerry look ripe for being caught by a "smaller" side, especially if we end up in the qualifiers.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 29, 2014 8:35:15 GMT
From the official site yesterday Donaghy only played about 10 minutes before he picked up the injury. Sheehan played in 4 games in the league playing 191 minutes. Darran played in 4 games in the league but only played 55 minutes. I know Declan played for Dromids against Na Gaeil and Young played some part against Fossa but didnt play the full game. No offence but playing Junior & Novice games isn't exactly ideal preparation for intercounty, off the back of no league time. When you look at these injuries & lack of match practice and then look at the level of Championship experience this 5 players compared to others in the squad, it's hard to be very positive. Age 1st Champ 1st Champ Champ Champ App Start Apps Starts
1 Colm Cooper 31 2002 2002 76 75 2 Marc Ó Sé 34 2002 2002 74 71 3 DeclanO'Sullivan31 2003 2003 61 58 4 Aidan O'Mahony 34 2004 2004 56 51 5 DarrenO'Sullivan28 2005 2006 51 23 6 Bryan Sheehan 29 2005 2005 48 31 7 Kieran Donaghy 31 2005 2006 46 38 8 Killian Young 27 2006 2007 39 38 9 Donnacha Walsh 30 2008 2008 32 29 10 Brendan Kealy 28 2010 2010 22 22 11 Anthony Maher 27 2010 2010 20 17 12 Kieran O'Leary 27 2008 2011 18 11 13 Barry John Keane25 2010 0 13 0 14 James O'Donoghue25 2011 2012 13 7 15 David Moran 26 2008 2010 12 2 16 Shane Enright 26 2011 2011 12 9 17 Johnny Buckley 25 2012 2013 9 5 18 Peter Crowley 25 2012 2012 8 7 19 Brian McGuire 25 2012 2013 5 1 20 Fionn Fitzgerald24 2013 2013 5 4 21 Mark Griffin 23 2013 2013 3 2 22 Jonathan Lyne 25 2012 0 1 0 23 Mikey Geaney 25 2013 0 1 0 24 Paul Geaney 25 2013 0 1 0 25 Jack Sherwood 23 2013 2013 1 0 26 Daithi Casey 25 0 0 0 0 27 Alan Fitzgerald 24 0 0 0 0 28 Barry Shanahan 24 0 0 0 0 29 Brian Kelly 24 0 0 0 0 30 Conor Cox 23 0 0 0 0 31 Mark Reen 23 0 0 0 0 32 Paul Murphy 23 0 0 0 0 33 Stephen O'Brien 23 0 0 0 0 34 David Culhane 22 0 0 0 0 35 Edmond Walsh 22 0 0 0 0 36 James Walsh 22 0 0 0 0 37 Marcus Mangan 22 0 0 0 0 38 Pa Kilkenny 22 0 0 0 0 39 ShaneO’Callaghan22 0 0 0 0
Throw in the 3 lads who have retired Age 1st Champ 1st Champ Champ Champ App Start Apps Starts Tomas Ó Sé 35 1998 1998 88 87 Eoin Brosnan 34 2001 2001 69 14 Paul Galvin 35 2003 2004 55 45
I know I've said this before but compared to last year there is a lot of experienced battle-hardened winners gone from the squad with those 3. Then you have Cooper missing for the season. Now there is a lot of questions about the fitness/match sharpness/form hanging over a lot of the more experienced members of the panel. Obviously there is the opportunity for lads to step up and some will undoubtedly do so, but I think we need to remember that for a serious chunk of the squad it will be their 1st/2nd/3rd Championship. Basically I think this season moreso than any for a long-time Kerry look ripe for being caught by a "smaller" side, especially if we end up in the qualifiers. When you look at the appearance list - you realise just how extensive the re-building program is. Whilst many feel that Donaghy is past his best, he has huge big game experience and has often done very well when moved to MF to break-up opponents' control. The injury to Darran O Sullivan could impacy seriously on his effectiveness this season. Declan O Sullivan has been playing club and Inter Firm so he should get up to the pace fairly quickly but Killian Young will take time to get match fitness back. Marc O Se and Donncha Walsh struggled for form in the league. Clare should beat Waterford and showed against Tipp that they are fit and well organised. However, they are lacking quality apart from Brennan and Tubridy and the Collins Bros will find the dual commitments hard. Cork have some concerns too so the anticipated clash in the Munster Final is likely to be competitive. It looks as if Cork and Kerry will need another year to be really competitive but so far, this season, only Dublin have been really impressive. Mayo, Tyrone and Donegal all have issues. Could we see a bolter like Monaghan ?
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 29, 2014 10:34:18 GMT
Surely that stat about Brosnan only starting 14 championship matches must be wrong.
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Post by 63587614 on Apr 29, 2014 12:40:27 GMT
Lads, what's the forums opinion on Donaghy making a return and an impact this season. He's 31 now and just married. It's a massive blow just coming back from a groin injury to be hit with another difficult injury, i.e shoulder dislocation, 8-10wks recovery time.
I'm just espousing myself but it will take a lot of grit to come back from these blows. In addition the team is moving ahead and the full forward line from the league must get it's chance, P Geaney, Stephen o'Brien, James o' Donoghue.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 29, 2014 13:11:07 GMT
Lads, what's the forums opinion on Donaghy making a return and an impact this season. He's 31 now and just married. It's a massive blow just coming back from a groin injury to be hit with another difficult injury, i.e shoulder dislocation, 8-10wks recovery time. I'm just espousing myself but it will take a lot of grit to come back from these blows. In addition the team is moving ahead and the full forward line from the league must get it's chance, P Geaney, Stephen o'Brien, James o' Donoghue. Do you mean the injuries or getting married?
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Post by glengael on Apr 29, 2014 13:32:55 GMT
Surely that stat about Brosnan only starting 14 championship matches must be wrong. Maybe he meant 41? As far as I know Kieran Donaghy got married in January 2013 so I wouldn't say thats too much of a recent factor in his form. It will ask a lot of him to come back again from injury this season and make an impact but we can only wish him the best.
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Post by seamo on Apr 29, 2014 21:13:34 GMT
Lads, what's the forums opinion on Donaghy making a return and an impact this season. He's 31 now and just married. It's a massive blow just coming back from a groin injury to be hit with another difficult injury, i.e shoulder dislocation, 8-10wks recovery time. I'm just espousing myself but it will take a lot of grit to come back from these blows. In addition the team is moving ahead and the full forward line from the league must get it's chance, P Geaney, Stephen o'Brien, James o' Donoghue. Didn't think he would have made much of an impact before he picked up the injury. The only thing that would be missed is his experience and leadership around the panel, ie. @training, talking to younger lads on matchday etc.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 29, 2014 22:12:54 GMT
Surely that stat about Brosnan only starting 14 championship matches must be wrong. Yup - well spotted - he was sub in 14 Championship games, so he started 55 Championship games for a total of 69 Championship appearances.
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Post by mandad on May 2, 2014 13:56:52 GMT
I was in the Crokes pitch last evening when the Kerry panel were training. There were a few absentees but that didn’t take from the intensity of the workout. During the McGrath Cup and the League a few new lad have auditioned for the squad and at this stage we all have opinions. I think most would agree that the in 2013 our downfall was the lack of a quality subs bench – partly through injury. I have also heard others complain, with some merit, about some of the decisions made from the side-line. Ideally, we need to be getting the most out of multiple players in multiple positions and in that way to have every position covered. That may be more difficult than we think as forwards don’t convert easily to defenders – look at Eamon Gilmore! This would be my panel and alternatives, in no particular order. Most of these trained yesterday.
P. Kelly- B. Kealy- P. Murphy- M. O'Sé.- M. Griffin - A. O'Mahony - S. Enright - P. Kilkenny - P. Crowley -J.Sherwood - F. Fitzgerald. - B. Maguire - K. Young - J. Walshe - A. Maher - B. Sheehan - D. Moran - J. Buckley - D. O'Sullivan - J. Lyne. - Dec. O'Sullivan - D. Casey - D. Walsh - P. O'Donoghue - S. O'Brien - C. Cox - P. Geaney - P. Fitzgerald - J. Donoghue. - K. O'Leary – B.J. Keane. – M. Geaney. – D. Culhane.
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Post by givehimaball on May 2, 2014 17:04:33 GMT
I was in the Crokes pitch last evening when the Kerry panel were training. There were a few absentees but that didn’t take from the intensity of the workout. Eamonn won't be happy with you that you've breached security. This would be my panel and alternatives, in no particular order. Most of these trained yesterday. P. Kelly- B. Kealy- P. Murphy- M. O'Sé.- M. Griffin - A. O'Mahony - S. Enright - P. Kilkenny - P. Crowley -J.Sherwood - F. Fitzgerald. - B. Maguire - K. Young - J. Walshe - A. Maher - B. Sheehan - D. Moran - J. Buckley - D. O'Sullivan - J. Lyne. - Dec. O'Sullivan - D. Casey - D. Walsh - P. O'Donoghue - S. O'Brien - C. Cox - P. Geaney - P. Fitzgerald - J. Donoghue. - K. O'Leary – B.J. Keane. – M. Geaney. – D. Culhane. Who's P Fitzgerald? Drawing a blank here.
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Post by mandad on May 2, 2014 17:32:19 GMT
My mistake - Paul O''Donoghue, St. Mary's. A good player. Will make the grade in my opinion.
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Post by jackmurphy on May 5, 2014 13:01:04 GMT
I was in the Crokes pitch last evening when the Kerry panel were training. There were a few absentees but that didn’t take from the intensity of the workout. During the McGrath Cup and the League a few new lad have auditioned for the squad and at this stage we all have opinions. I think most would agree that the in 2013 our downfall was the lack of a quality subs bench – partly through injury. I have also heard others complain, with some merit, about some of the decisions made from the side-line. Ideally, we need to be getting the most out of multiple players in multiple positions and in that way to have every position covered. That may be more difficult than we think as forwards don’t convert easily to defenders – look at Eamon Gilmore! This would be my panel and alternatives, in no particular order. Most of these trained yesterday. P. Kelly- B. Kealy- P. Murphy- M. O'Sé.- M. Griffin - A. O'Mahony - S. Enright - P. Kilkenny - P. Crowley -J.Sherwood - F. Fitzgerald. - B. Maguire - K. Young - J. Walshe - A. Maher - B. Sheehan - D. Moran - J. Buckley - D. O'Sullivan - J. Lyne. - Dec. O'Sullivan - D. Casey - D. Walsh - P. O'Donoghue - S. O'Brien - C. Cox - P. Geaney - P. Fitzgerald - J. Donoghue. - K. O'Leary – B.J. Keane. – M. Geaney. – D. Culhane. Hard to argue with your picks there Mandad. The only disppointing thing is that there are none of the Kerry U21 team on the training panel - Dublin and Cork both have 9/10 U21's training with their Senior Squads now - both have 35 or so lads involved. I thought that Thomas Hickey and James Crean showed some promise v Cork - it would be good to have 1 or 2 involved to bring them on and offer encouragement to others. EFM and DOS agreed not to have U21's play play senior as long as the U21s were still in the c/ship - that's undertandable but maybe a double edged sword as these lads didn't get a chance to impress and are out of the loop for the rest of the season.
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Post by glengael on May 5, 2014 19:25:06 GMT
Agree jackmurphy. Surely some of the u-21's could be part of the panel if only to see if they have something about them for the future. Training at this level would give them some exposure to whats required to make the step up.
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Post by kerrygold on May 5, 2014 23:30:52 GMT
Which ones?
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Post by jackmurphy on May 6, 2014 9:45:40 GMT
Hard to know without seeing a lot of club games but Hickey and Crean looked the most promising v Cork. You would be very disppointed if you didn't get at least 2 senior players from every u21 side. The 2011 U21 side has produced an exceptional amount of senior players. I'm not suggesting that any of the U21's are good enough for senior right now but I'd like to see a few at training in the hope of fast-tracking their development at a crucial stage of their careers. On a seperate topic - I saw that Cadogan and Aidan Walsh missed their club football c/ship games over the week-end. They are key players for Cork along with Cahalane and IMO their dual involvement is seriosuly impacting on their contribution to the football team. I think that this is a significant advantage for Kerry and could well be the tipping point in what will, IMO, be a very close Munster Final. I think that this years Munster Winners have a great chance of reaching the AI final and after that anything can happen.
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Post by jackmurphy on May 12, 2014 10:22:28 GMT
Pat Spillane fears Kerry may already be close to halfway into another 11-year spell without an All-Ireland title.
The Kingdom legend, who reiterated his desire to become the county’s U21 manager, doesn’t see the county bridging the gap to their last success in 2009 any time soon.
He bemoans the lack of “warriors” in the team now that Tomás Ó Sé and Paul Galvin have retired and says it’s quite possible another barren patch like 1986 to 1997 is upon the county.
“It is very possible because bear in mind that this is definitely Marc Ó Sé’s last year, Aidan O’Mahony’s last year. We are one of the very few inter-county panels, if maybe the only inter-county panel, that doesn’t have an U21. That tells you.
“We have some really good minors coming along, really good minors coming through. What I like about the minors under Jack O’Connor is that they are playing Kerry-style football, skilful forwards but moving the ball quickly. I think there are a couple of bad years ahead. There is no All-Ireland there.
“We have had no U21 success, no minor success. I think we are paying the price. We are only now catching up with the development squads and we’re only now catching up with strength and conditioning and producing a stronger type of footballer.
“We sort of got lost for a few years. We were producing dancers, lovely light skilful forwards, particularly who are fine when things are going well, but when things go badly they are not the fellas you need in battle.
“I just don’t think we had enough strong fellas, not enough guys who can win the independent, the 50/50 ball. So we’ve caught up now. And also one of the problems with the development squads was that there was no continuity, there was no Kerry style of play.
“One management team had one game plan based around a defensive game, another crowd had a hand-passing game, depending on who was the coach. So we weren’t bringing through youngsters in the Kerry style of football. And the Kerry style of football is one where you can catch, kick and score. It’s still a winning formula. We lost that for a while so it could be five years.”
Speaking at the launch of the RTÉ GAA Championship, Spillane took great delight in seeing Kerry last week qualify for a minor provincial final against Cork, particularly the performance of his nephew Killian, son of former inter-county defender Tom.
The Templenoe man’s pride is immense. “I would be biased but I would say [Killian’s] the best minor footballer in Ireland. I think he is that good. This guy is, honestly, he’s brilliant. If I was U21 manager I would have him playing U21 this year.
“If I was [Eamonn] Fitzmaurice I would be using him with the seniors next year. We’re slow in Kerry. We don’t bring through...the Cormac Costellos and the [Ciarán] Kilkennys, they bring them through in Dublin, they even bring them through in Cork.
“We brought them through in the past. I was brought through and Ogie [Moran] and all those. But Killian is...I told him and he’s a good level-headed guy...he’s Kerry material next year.”
Spillane has thrown his hat in the ring again for the U21 managerial position despite being snubbed for it in 2012. Darragh Ó Sé was tasked with the role but he could make way after a second successive Munster championship defeat to Cork.
“The U21s had another desperate campaign. I would love to be the U21 manager. Have I one ambition left in life? I would love to manage the Kerry U21s.
“I just feel that I have something to give and I would really love to get involved. I think there is potential but they need to be better managed, better coached.”
Spillane felt the Kerry seniors “overachieved” last year and feels supporters have changed from optimists to realists as they cope without the retired pair of Ó Sé and Galvin, as well as the enormity of Colm Cooper’s absence through injury.
He expects Cork to beat them in a Munster final in Páirc Uí Chaoimh but reckons they can still have a major say in the championship if they get on top in midfield.
“If Kerry could win midfield, they will put it up to anyone. If you analyse the games where Kerry played well, the second half against Tyrone, all the good parts of Kerry, any time they played well during the league was when they were dominating midfield and they got the ball into James O’Donoghue.
“You get first-time ball into James O’Donoghue and these boys and they still won’t be stopped. But we’re clutching at straws!” he smiled.
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Post by benchwarmer on May 17, 2014 14:54:17 GMT
Surely a joke that the kerry team are gone on a 'Bonding session' this weekend with a full round of county league fixtures and county championship in 2 weeks. Makes no sense. They clearly have no respect for the clubs.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 17, 2014 22:12:36 GMT
Surely a joke that the kerry team are gone on a 'Bonding session' this weekend with a full round of county league fixtures and county championship in 2 weeks. Makes no sense. They clearly have no respect for the clubs. Perhaps I am being glib but perhaps au contraire... When county league games go ahead without county players perhaps the club players feel that life goes on without the county players and life does not stop and start with the county team.
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