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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 6, 2014 20:25:34 GMT
I was very surprised with what I saw at the game today. Huge crowd and good conditions although the wind was very strong (Kerry needed a 5 pt lead at HT but went in behind.
Kerry started well in MF but faded out very quickly - Maher seemed to lack urgency and Moran wasn't much better - Cork dominated MF and picked up every break after 15 mins. Colm O Driscoll was a bundle of energy and gave Marc a very uncomfortable afternoon - Marc received treatment in the 1st half - was that a factor in his poor performance ?
Strange decisions by Eamon Fitz today - can't understand why he didn't try someone else on Hurley and hauling Donncha off after 30 minutes was very strange.
Kerry's new defenders still have a ways to go and it looks as if Marc and Aidan haven't the legs to man the barricades anymore (I'm sure Marc will prove me wrong)
I thought Kerry would be well over Cork at MF but it was exactly the opposite - Galvin is a huge loss re winning breaking balls.
I think the injury to Darran O S was the worst aspect of the afternoon for Kerry - looks like a tear rather than strain and it might cause him problems this season - very hard on him.
On a positive note - Geaney and O Brien troubled Cork and O Brien and JOD came close to goals but in reality Cork were vastly superior. I'd expect some hard work in Portugal - better to find out the problems now.
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Post by chrism on Apr 6, 2014 21:48:12 GMT
Brian Hurley is meant to have a younger brother better then himself.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 6, 2014 22:01:01 GMT
He has, but he isnt
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Apr 6, 2014 22:25:44 GMT
A disappointing performance, it may have been, to all intents and purposes, a dead rubber. Kerry were never going to qualify, however, what did Cork have to play for having already qualified? They ripped into kerry and they played fast, direct football into a quality inside line. O Neill, Hurley and Goulding will do some damage come championship given the kind of football they are playing.
The most disappointing aspect from a kerry point of view was the way we just seemed to accept that a heavy defeat was our lot and nobody railed against this as Tomás, Galvin, Gooch et al would have done. There is nobody really to grab the game by the scruff of the neck as it's slipping away from the team. It's to be expected from a team in transition and deprived of the services of the greatest footballer of his generation. When out warriors retired,we didn't have the calibre of player to step up. Cork, on the other hand, have. Hence, they are in a much better place than us.
We were unlucky against Dublin, should have done better against Derry, beat a limited Kildare team with ease. Beat a very poor Westmeath outfit and demolished a substandard Tyrone team. No real kick in us today. Didn't deserve anything from the game.
Conversely,We have managed to maintain our division one status. We have found a few decent players and await the return of some of our highly decorated warriors. Can the likes of Declan Donaghy et al find it in the body to give it one last serious lash? Roll on summertime and the beauty that is the championship.
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Post by fitz on Apr 6, 2014 23:58:44 GMT
I think one or two posts were sent shortly after arriving in from the game. Morbid fatalism. Look, the second half was a hiding, no other way to assess. Cork looked to be much faster everywhere. Midfield was the real platform for defeat. Moran one catch and one great point aside had no contribution. Maher completed a couple of hand passes, Buckley caught one ball. There's only one way it's going after that -> toilet. Two worrying things of significance 1)we're winning no breaking ball, none. 2) None of our mids have pace. This heaps pressure on the defence. Kieran O'Leary is not inter-county standard, certainly not now. No physique, speed, aerial capability, one footed, and no bite. Lazy defender too, and he lasted the full game and Donnacha taken off? He's a decent lad and is skilful but a game like today's ruthlessly exposes his deficiencies.Hopefully the captaincy nonsense isn't muddying the waters. Give it to Fionn or Daithi now.I think Casey's speed and strength plus directness gives him a good chance of Championship 15. I actually thought Griffin did as well as anybody could have on Hurley. He only got inside him once in first half. Hurley is very good and he was the zone so with the space he was getting it was about damage limitation. Griffin was a bit too loose in second half but being tighter represented higher risk of being skinned via being overpowered. Hurley kicked some great distance points. Murphy is a great find. Game as lion and really tenacious. Stephen O'Brien is another great find and definite championship starter. I think Cork played close to their potential even though two starters were missing and Kerry were well off their best. I say this with belief and confidence and not bias blinded because of previous results. Tyrone scored 20 points against Cork last week. Kildare only lost by a point in Cork and Mayo scored 4 goals against Cork. We demolished Tyrone ,who just lost by a point to Dublin today, who beat us by only a point who Cork beat by a point. The point being no one result is a true barometer. Finally I couldn't believe the amount of personal fouls made by the Cork full back Clancy without censure, he's a liability and is to be taken on at every opportunity. Hopefully Darran's hammer is not too bad he didn't seem to overextend.
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Post by glengael on Apr 7, 2014 8:55:18 GMT
A disappointing performance, it may have been, to all intents and purposes, a dead rubber. Kerry were never going to qualify, however, what did Cork have to play for having already qualified? They ripped into kerry and they played fast, direct football into a quality inside line. O Neill, Hurley and Goulding will do some damage come championship given the kind of football they are playing. The most disappointing aspect from a kerry point of view was the way we just seemed to accept that a heavy defeat was our lot and nobody railed against this as Tomás, Galvin, Gooch et al would have done. There is nobody really to grab the game by the scruff of the neck as it's slipping away from the team. It's to be expected from a team in transition and deprived of the services of the greatest footballer of his generation. When out warriors retired,we didn't have the calibre of player to step up. Cork, on the other hand, have. Hence, they are in a much better place than us. We were unlucky against Dublin, should have done better against Derry, beat a limited Kildare team with ease. Beat a very poor Westmeath outfit and demolished a substandard Tyrone team. No real kick in us today. Didn't deserve anything from the game. Conversely,We have managed to maintain our division one status. We have found a few decent players and await the return of some of our highly decorated warriors. Can the likes of Declan Donaghy et al find it in the body to give it one last serious lash? Roll on summertime and the beauty that is the championship. That lack of leadership is a theme I've been going on about for a long time. It worries me every bit as much as being completely outplayed by our nearest and most dearest rivals. I'll be interested to see how Cork fare against Dublin.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 7, 2014 9:22:00 GMT
I think one or two posts were sent shortly after arriving in from the game. Morbid fatalism. Look, the second half was a hiding, no other way to assess. Cork looked to be much faster everywhere. Midfield was the real platform for defeat. Moran one catch and one great point aside had no contribution. Maher completed a couple of hand passes, Buckley caught one ball. There's only one way it's going after that -> toilet. Two worrying things of significance 1)we're winning no breaking ball, none. 2) None of our mids have pace. This heaps pressure on the defence. Kieran O'Leary is not inter-county standard, certainly not now. No physique, speed, aerial capability, one footed, and no bite. Lazy defender too, and he lasted the full game and Donnacha taken off? He's a decent lad and is skilful but a game like today's ruthlessly exposes his deficiencies.Hopefully the captaincy nonsense isn't muddying the waters. Give it to Fionn or Daithi now.I think Casey's speed and strength plus directness gives him a good chance of Championship 15. I actually thought Griffin did as well as anybody could have on Hurley. He only got inside him once in first half. Hurley is very good and he was the zone so with the space he was getting it was about damage limitation. Griffin was a bit too loose in second half but being tighter represented higher risk of being skinned via being overpowered. Hurley kicked some great distance points. Murphy is a great find. Game as lion and really tenacious. Stephen O'Brien is another great find and definite championship starter. I think Cork played close to their potential even though two starters were missing and Kerry were well off their best. I say this with belief and confidence and not bias blinded because of previous results. Tyrone scored 20 points against Cork last week. Kildare only lost by a point in Cork and Mayo scored 4 goals against Cork. We demolished Tyrone ,who just lost by a point to Dublin today, who beat us by only a point who Cork beat by a point. The point being no one result is a true barometer. Finally I couldn't believe the amount of personal fouls made by the Cork full back Clancy without censure, he's a liability and is to be taken on at every opportunity. Hopefully Darran's hammer is not too bad he didn't seem to overextend. Having thought about it, I'd agree with your points, Fitz. I posted, last week, that Kerry had nothing to play for and others replied that playing Cork was all the motivatiion required. However, one team was still very involved in our 2nd biggest national competition and the other was fulfilling a fixture having achieved the primary objective (Div 1 survival) Kerry's lack of intensity was evident in the fight for breaking ball. There will be very little between these sides in the Summer and a lot will depend on how their fixture lists pan out. Both sides were missing 2/3 of their c/ship 15's - so no advantage there. Kerry showed that their FF line can do damage with the right ball - and they will get that later on. It's not a bad thing to get a wake-up call at this stage and E FitzM will demand a response - Kerry have won AI's form this position before. There is no denying that Cork are in a better position at this stage but there's a long season ahead.
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Post by delorean on Apr 7, 2014 10:11:08 GMT
Had to do something to motivate yis, in case 3 teams ended up on 8 points In fairness, yis did capitulate late on to Mayo in that last regulation league game when yis were clearly the better team (as proven by demolishing them in the final). Anyway, some performance by young Hurley today, keeps that up and he will be a real contender for POTY. Very impressive league by Cork, like a team released from the shackles. Hats off to a new coach for getting so many things right too. If some of your early retirements are enticed back, if your hurlers struggle, yis will be strong contenders for Sam. Cork will feel they should have had 1 or 2 more All-Is for the talent they had over the last decade or more. Strangely poor for Kerry after a good run. Physicality is a big issue for them without Donaghy or TOSé or Galvin et al. At least they can't get Cork in the All-I Qtr finals! But it's exactly the sort of challenge Kerry have always liked coming into championship. It's also a mostly young Cork team and Kerry didn't need to win today. That game against Mayo you're talking about, Cork actually fielded a very strong side, in what was an ideal opportuntiy to try out fringe players and avoid the risk of injuries/suspensions that could have ruled them out of the final. Just look at Derry yesterday. Obviously Mayo had the greater motivation on the day and it was always going to be hard to match their desire in what was effectively a dead rubber for Cork. Anyway, Dublin were nothing to fear at that stage. They had been slaughtered in consequtive AI quarter finals by Tyrone and Kerry. Cork had beaten them comfortably themselves a few weeks previously. Mayo won 6/7 of their league games... nothing at all suggested it would be a handier final. Yeah things are going well but it's early days. I would read very little into yesterday but it's good to get into the habit of beating Kerry under the new regime. We're pretty loose defensively. O'Sullivan and Clancy were in big trouble early on but they were left off the hook once we started dominating midfield. I suppose we have Cadogan to come back in and maybe a couple of the U21's might challenge for places also, notably Crowley and Dornam. The idea of the top two getting home semi finals seems to have fallen by the wayside but another trip to Croke Park to play the Dubs will be no harm at all.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 7, 2014 10:38:09 GMT
Had to do something to motivate yis, in case 3 teams ended up on 8 points In fairness, yis did capitulate late on to Mayo in that last regulation league game when yis were clearly the better team (as proven by demolishing them in the final). Anyway, some performance by young Hurley today, keeps that up and he will be a real contender for POTY. Very impressive league by Cork, like a team released from the shackles. Hats off to a new coach for getting so many things right too. If some of your early retirements are enticed back, if your hurlers struggle, yis will be strong contenders for Sam. Cork will feel they should have had 1 or 2 more All-Is for the talent they had over the last decade or more. Strangely poor for Kerry after a good run. Physicality is a big issue for them without Donaghy or TOSé or Galvin et al. At least they can't get Cork in the All-I Qtr finals! But it's exactly the sort of challenge Kerry have always liked coming into championship. It's also a mostly young Cork team and Kerry didn't need to win today. That game against Mayo you're talking about, Cork actually fielded a very strong side, in what was an ideal opportuntiy to try out fringe players and avoid the risk of injuries/suspensions that could have ruled them out of the final. Just look at Derry yesterday. Obviously Mayo had the greater motivation on the day and it was always going to be hard to match their desire in what was effectively a dead rubber for Cork. Anyway, Dublin were nothing to fear at that stage. They had been slaughtered in consequtive AI quarter finals by Tyrone and Kerry. Cork had beaten them comfortably themselves a few weeks previously. Mayo won 6/7 of their league games... nothing at all suggested it would be a handier final. Yeah things are going well but it's early days. I would read very little into yesterday but it's good to get into the habit of beating Kerry under the new regime. We're pretty loose defensively. O'Sullivan and Clancy were in big trouble early on but they were left off the hook once we started dominating midfield. I suppose we have Cadogan to come back in and maybe a couple of the U21's might challenge for places also, notably Crowley and Dornam. The idea of the top two getting home semi finals seems to have fallen by the wayside but another trip to Croke Park to play the Dubs will be no harm at all. Kerry have answered the wake-up calls in the past but had a lot of AI winners available to carry the fight. Now they can only count on the 2 O Sullivans, Marc O Se and K Young as AI winning players. The younger players have usually lost to Cork at U21 level so yesterday's game may have some significance in terms of confidence and belief, going forward. Tradition is on Kerry's side but Cuthbert, a year less in the job than Eamon Fitz has probably made more progress. Cuthbert has stated that he wants 2 players for every position - the subs that come on yesterday suggest that Cork have more depth in their squad. Kerrigan wasn't initially picked to start but was the star turn alone with Hurley. FitzMaurice won't be pressing panic buttons, at this stage, but he knows that he's got a tough task in matching Cork's current rate of progress - but Kerry Footballers love a challenge especially from across the county bounds.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 7, 2014 10:55:58 GMT
Whatever about the abysmal performance of several players yesterday, I'm more concerned about the lack of direction from the line .... not for the first time.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 7, 2014 12:26:29 GMT
Whatever about the abysmal performance of several players yesterday, I'm more concerned about the lack of direction from the line .... not for the first time. That was a bit strange, alright. Most managers would make a change when a FB is struggling so badly. Also the timing of taking off Donncha Walsh (30 mins) was surprising - why not wait until HT ? Donncha had just done well in the build up to the goal and K O Leary was really struggling v Cahalane. FitzMaurice is normally astute but it seems like yesterday was a bad day for all concerned ? I'd guess that most of Cork's retirements were driven by management having seen how well JBM did with youth. I'm not sure what Aidan O Mahony and Donaghy can contribute this season.
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Post by timmy on Apr 7, 2014 14:09:53 GMT
Fitzmaurice has made similar changes in a few games this year - Enright takin off after 33mins against Tyrone and Lyne takin off at a similar time against Westmeath last week when both should have been left until halt time at least. Kerry's problems in all 3 games were in other areas other than where these players were taking off. Maher should have been takin off after 15 mins. He was at fault for 1-2 in the 1st half (gave away 2 sloppy passed for the two points and pulled out of a tackle in the build up to the goal) As someone said in an earlier post he has no urgency. He looks to me at the moment that his pace has gone and plays the game like he is stuck in 3rd gear. Eamon got his selection all wrong for this game in my opinion. If ever it was a day to play Lyne in the Half Forward line it was against Cork. At the moment he is probably our best player under the breaking. O'Leary while a good passer with his left foot has no right foot and was out muscled on several occasions. Taking Donncha off was very surprising. Donncha is not having his best of National Leagues but he was playing fairly well in the 1st half - ok he kicked one poor shot for a point about 5 mins before he went off but he did well in the build up for the goal. D Casey played very well and really took the game to Cork. To be fair it is hard to blame Griffin or for that matter Murphy or Enright for the defeat. The ball coming in to the Cork forwards was of very high quality mainly because there was no pressure being put on the Cork players around the middle of the field. Hopefully Eamonn and Co can work some wonders in Portugal and in the coming weeks leading up to the championship.
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Post by bearaman on Apr 7, 2014 14:31:05 GMT
I wouldn't be getting too carried away from a Cork perspective about yesterday. Kerry looked like a team that was a bit leg weary in the second half which could be down to training or just a very off day. Kerry have lost a good few leaders who would certainly have rallied yesterday when the chips were down. Cork have struggled at time this year in the back line especially against Derry and Tyrone. The positives are O Neill being back fit and hurley really playing well. I'd be surprised if any munster final was won by more than 3/4 points either way.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 7, 2014 15:01:38 GMT
Now I think we have seen the level that Kerry are currently at. A few facile wins over mickey mouse opposition in Kildare and Westmeath and a tryone team that weren't up for it on the day seemed to have turned peoples heads. Yesterday we played a Cork team in fairly experimental mode (Kelly at 6, O'Connor,O'Neill and Walsh not starting) and we still struggled throughout the game. Our half forward line was totally non-existent and was neither of use nor ornament in either attacking or defensive mode.
Griffin had his hands full from an early stage but, we didnt seem to have any idea how to help him, either switch him off Hurley or play a man in front as a sweeper didnt seem to cross the mind of those on the line. Maher was poor enough once again and he would want to get the hang of tackling if he is going to avoid the black card in the summer. Time and again he tackles with his hand up shoulder high on his opponent. All that needs to be done is for his man to dip his head and it instantly becomes a high tackle around the neck and an easy free. Do the lads on the line not see this and coach him how to tackle properly or is he ignoring them? If its the latter some time on the bench might drum it into him.
Once again Kieran O'Leary just looks too lightweight for intercounty football. That extra half a second that he gets in club games that he can pick his pass and take his score isn't there at inter county level. A very good club player he just isn't inter county standard. He has been around the panel a fair while now and has never progressed. I think its time to cut our losses and turn him loose. He just seems so ponderous at this level in comparison to what he can do for Crokes. The subbing of Donnachadha was baffling more for the timing of it rather than the change itself even though Walsh just had plaed a few good passes. Maybe Eammon fancies himself as a bit of a Jose Muirinho and likes to play to the gallery by taking players off uncerimoniusly. The full forward line did OK when they got the ball.
As I have said before and I'll say it again I don't think Johnny Buckley will be more than a mediocre inter county midfielder. Realistically we have a mountain of work to do before we meet Cork in the Munster Final and any potiental date with a big fish in Croker in the quarters.
We have a very rickety defence, no one seems to know how to defend when a team runs at us. Our midfield are stop start and are really only flying on one wing with Moran carrying maher half the time. The half forward line looks like a game of guess who because anyone could appear there at any time. Our full forward line looks to be taking shape.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 7, 2014 16:16:21 GMT
Now I think we have seen the level that Kerry are currently at. A few facile wins over mickey mouse opposition in Kildare and Westmeath and a tryone team that weren't up for it on the day seemed to have turned peoples heads. Yesterday we played a Cork team in fairly experimental mode (Kelly at 6, O'Connor,O'Neill and Walsh not starting) and we still struggled throughout the game. Our half forward line was totally non-existent and was neither of use nor ornament in either attacking or defensive mode. Griffin had his hands full from an early stage but, we didnt seem to have any idea how to help him, either switch him off Hurley or play a man in front as a sweeper didnt seem to cross the mind of those on the line. Maher was poor enough once again and he would want to get the hang of tackling if he is going to avoid the black card in the summer. Time and again he tackles with his hand up shoulder high on his opponent. All that needs to be done is for his man to dip his head and it instantly becomes a high tackle around the neck and an easy free. Do the lads on the line not see this and coach him how to tackle properly or is he ignoring them? If its the latter some time on the bench might drum it into him. Once again Kieran O'Leary just looks too lightweight for intercounty football. That extra half a second that he gets in club games that he can pick his pass and take his score isn't there at inter county level. A very good club player he just isn't inter county standard. He has been around the panel a fair while now and has never progressed. I think its time to cut our losses and turn him loose. He just seems so ponderous at this level in comparison to what he can do for Crokes. The subbing of Donnachadha was baffling more for the timing of it rather than the change itself even though Walsh just had plaed a few good passes. Maybe Eammon fancies himself as a bit of a Jose Muirinho and likes to play to the gallery by taking players off uncerimoniusly. The full forward line did OK when they got the ball. As I have said before and I'll say it again I don't think Johnny Buckley will be more than a mediocre inter county midfielder. Realistically we have a mountain of work to do before we meet Cork in the Munster Final and any potiental date with a big fish in Croker in the quarters. We have a very rickety defence, no one seems to know how to defend when a team runs at us. Our midfield are stop start and are really only flying on one wing with Moran carrying maher half the time. The half forward line looks like a game of guess who because anyone could appear there at any time. Our full forward line looks to be taking shape. Excellent Post AWB. The Kerry FB line were hung out to dry by the HF line and MF - If players are given such space and time to pick out lads like O Neill, Hurley and Hayes then their markers are on a hiding to nothing especially with the black card. I expected Kerry to have one of the best MF's in the country with 4 great options (Maher, Moran, Sheehan and Buckley) but all 4 still have weaknesses - Cork seemed to be in trouble in this area but won hands down - the breaking ball was always going to be vital and Colm O Driscoll is a Brian Dooher type that never stops beavering away - Marc was poor by his high standards and Kerry had no one hovering up - if Lyne is good at that, then he should have been given a go. I don't like to criticise amateur players who sacrifice so much for our enjoyment but K O Leary has to step it up a bit - Cahalane out muscled him at his ease. Cork had 3 defenders getting their 1st starts of the season (None had even done much training) yet their defence was far better than a Kerry defence where most had played every game. That has to be a worry for EFM. Maher's form or lack thereof is worrying - he was the dominant MF'er in recent c/ship games v Cork but didn't look up for it yesterday - he went for one ball at the Killarney side in the 1st half and seemed to be going in slow motion - he never looked like scoring and hit one kick straight against a lad near him, at one stage. Kerry need Marc (close to his best) Young and Declan O Sullivan back asap and the severity of Darran's injury will dictate a lot - very sorry for him - he's had enough injury problems and must have been really looking forward to 5 days in Portugal to get up to full tilt - presume he won't travel now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 17:34:12 GMT
I think the most worrying aspect was the lack of fire and determination . You would think Cork would take care of that but they just strolled around the field . Some of the Cork players pushed them out of the way like they were Kids . Griffin was destroyed and I think he is too loose for a Full Back and is not fast . Maybe try him at no.6 and bring Marc back to full back . Midfield was destroyed also and we don't have anyone else so we are stuck there . It's the same old story . Full Back and Midfield . Kelly will be in Goals for the Championship . Paul Murphy was a good find . I think him , Marc , Enright was poor again I dont think he should start . Fionn Fitgerald would strengthen the full back line . Crowley , Griffin and Killian the Half Back line . Maher and Moran . Casey , Sheehan , and Darren the half forward line . O'Brien , Declan and O'Donoghue inside line . Geaney , Donnacha , Buckley , Enright , Donaghy , Kilkenny , and O'Leary could be decent subs to bring . They would be doing well to make the Semis this year .
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Post by southward on Apr 7, 2014 18:14:42 GMT
In fairness, AWB, according to the table, our "rickety defence" is actually the meanest in the league, even after yesterday.
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Post by southward on Apr 7, 2014 18:42:57 GMT
O'Leary been getting a bit of stick on here. Actually I thought he was one of the few players winning ball and trying to make things happen in the first half. Faded later on, sure, but who didn't ? Different people see different things at games of course, but from at I saw, he doesn't deserve to be singled out. I suspect that perhaps he might be one of those players who's just unfashionable and this impinges on people's perceptions of his performance at times. Always a trier in my book anyway.
What did shock me yesterday is how unfit Maher looked, like he's been ill or something. I clearly remember him going after one ball, heading towards the terrace sideline. He was five yards ahead of his man starting out and just barely made it; looked like he was completely incapable of rising above a jog.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 7, 2014 18:59:00 GMT
O'Leary been getting a bit of stick on here. Actually I thought he was one of the few players winning ball and trying to make things happen in the first half. Faded later on, sure, but who didn't ? Different people see different things at games of course, but from at I saw, he doesn't deserve to be singled out. I suspect that perhaps he might be one of those players who's just unfashionable and this impinges on people's perceptions of his performance at times. Always a trier in my book anyway. What did shock me yesterday is how unfit Maher looked, like he's been ill or something. I clearly remember him going after one ball, heading towards the terrace sideline. He was five yards ahead of his man starting out and just barely made it; looked like he was completely incapable of rising above a jog. Fair point about KOL, Southward. I think that Kieran is at a big disadvantage without Gooch as they had an excellent understanding. I saw the play you are talking about - see my above post - It makes me wonder whether Kerry had a heavy training session last week but that would be very unusual for this stage of the season. I would have thought that Kerry would have been keen to win this game. They had only one loss to Cork at home in almost 20 years and that was to a late free a few years ago. A lot of Kerry Lads looked a bit leaden footed IMO.
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Post by southward on Apr 7, 2014 19:11:23 GMT
Agreed, jack - good few lads looked b***ixed yesterday.
Apparently this was our heaviest defeat by Cork since the 1990 M/F (15 points). Still, it's not the first time they've made us look second-rate early on in the year, only for us to do alright afterwards. Might as well be optimistic anyway.
It's a shame though, with the big crowd there, that there was ne'er a bit of excitement to the thing. I suppose, to a large extent, the Derry team news scuppered any prospect of that.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 7, 2014 19:36:51 GMT
Agreed, jack - good few lads looked b***ixed yesterday. Apparently this was our heaviest defeat by Cork since the 1990 M/F (15 points). Still, it's not the first time they've made us look second-rate early on in the year, only for us to do alright afterwards. Might as well be optimistic anyway. It's a shame though, with the big crowd there, that there was ne'er a bit of excitement to the thing. I suppose, to a large extent, the Derry team news scuppered any prospect of that. The great US Coach Vince Lombardi put it very well when he said it's a game of inches. It must have been deflating to realise that after 3 great wins the door to the semis was slammed shut. It was nigh on impossible for Kerry to show the required intensity when they knew their season was over. Cork's season was about to get really interesting. Not even the most die-hard Cork Supporter would suggest that there's 10 pts between these sides. Cuthbert will be very aware that Kerry will be a wounded and dangerous beast in PUC. Kerry will get Maher and Moran motoring in MF and a HF line of D Walsh and the 2 O Sullivans would be as good as any in the country. O Brien and JOD will do the business inside. P Power has Dublin favs - followed by Mayo then Cork & Kerry - any of these 4 could win Sam IMO.
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 7, 2014 20:04:16 GMT
Brian Hurley is meant to have a younger brother better then himself. Yes Michael Hurley, cracking player is currentley on the Cork minors. Was at the game yesterday and witness some shocking individual performances.. Mark Griffin was one of the worst, he isn't a specialist man marker and to give him the job of marking Brian Hurley was suicide. Enright looked disinterested, while Fionn Fitzgerald often made handling errors. Peter Crowley left Mark Collins roam where he liked therefore the Cork man was able to pick out very percise passes. Midfield was ok in the first half Moran was clearly the better of the two. Kieran Leary is no Kerry captain, I can't see him starting come championship, too nervous and gives up soft possession. Donnacadh was doing well in my opinion before being mysteriously taken off. The full forward line was ok but it was too inconsistent to trouble Cork but they will pose a threat when they gel and hit form. The worst of all was the managment. They seriously lacked the ability to make positional changes when needed especially in the 3rd quarter of yesterdays game, looking at Eamonn with his hands in his pockets on the touchline is a shocking sight. We were being roasted by Corks forwards and they made little or no changes which seriously bepuzzled me, the only consolation we do have that it's april and not august or september that this is happening to us.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2014 21:21:10 GMT
There wont be any over confidence on Kerrys part anyway when they meet again in the championship.
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Post by southward on Apr 7, 2014 21:49:40 GMT
Tell you what, it's going to be some tough league next year. All decent sides, with no obvious weak link that you'd earmark for relegation beforehand. We won't get away with losing the first 3 again.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 7, 2014 22:04:01 GMT
Tell you what, it's going to be some tough league next year. All decent sides, with no obvious weak link that you'd earmark for relegation beforehand. We won't get away with losing the first 3 again. Donegal and Monaghan really look like serious sides and especially style wise you'd imagine should pose a threat so I would say Division 1 will be no joke at all next year - really hard to see any easy games whatsoever there. Division 1 next year Cork Derry Mayo Dublin Tyrone Donegal Monaghan Kerry Division 2 next year Kildare Westmeath Meath Down Laois Galway Cavan Roscommon However looking at the makeup of the 2 divisions, it's very clear that Division 1 is where it's at if we want any hope of bringing Sam home. Really looks to be a serious gap in quality overall between division 1 and division 2. I'd imagine the difference in odds on one of the 8 teams in Division 1 winning Sam compared to any of the teams from Division 2 over the next 3-5 years would be fairly substantial. One positive is that I'm pretty sure we will have 4 home games next year. Both the teams we played away are relegated so I'm not completely sure how things will shake out on the fixtures front. If it's reserve fixtures from this year it will go like this. Home Dublin Mayo Away Derry Cork Tyrone And then maybe Donegal and Monaghan at home. Really not 100% sure on this so stand to be corrected.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 7, 2014 22:37:03 GMT
Had to do something to motivate yis, in case 3 teams ended up on 8 points In fairness, yis did capitulate late on to Mayo in that last regulation league game when yis were clearly the better team (as proven by demolishing them in the final). Anyway, some performance by young Hurley today, keeps that up and he will be a real contender for POTY. Very impressive league by Cork, like a team released from the shackles. Hats off to a new coach for getting so many things right too. If some of your early retirements are enticed back, if your hurlers struggle, yis will be strong contenders for Sam. Cork will feel they should have had 1 or 2 more All-Is for the talent they had over the last decade or more. Strangely poor for Kerry after a good run. Physicality is a big issue for them without Donaghy or TOSé or Galvin et al. At least they can't get Cork in the All-I Qtr finals! But it's exactly the sort of challenge Kerry have always liked coming into championship. It's also a mostly young Cork team and Kerry didn't need to win today. That game against Mayo you're talking about, Cork actually fielded a very strong side, in what was an ideal opportuntiy to try out fringe players and avoid the risk of injuries/suspensions that could have ruled them out of the final. Just look at Derry yesterday. Obviously Mayo had the greater motivation on the day and it was always going to be hard to match their desire in what was effectively a dead rubber for Cork. Anyway, Dublin were nothing to fear at that stage. They had been slaughtered in consequtive AI quarter finals by Tyrone and Kerry. Cork had beaten them comfortably themselves a few weeks previously. Mayo won 6/7 of their league games... nothing at all suggested it would be a handier final. Yeah things are going well but it's early days. I would read very little into yesterday but it's good to get into the habit of beating Kerry under the new regime. We're pretty loose defensively. O'Sullivan and Clancy were in big trouble early on but they were left off the hook once we started dominating midfield. I suppose we have Cadogan to come back in and maybe a couple of the U21's might challenge for places also, notably Crowley and Dornam. The idea of the top two getting home semi finals seems to have fallen by the wayside but another trip to Croke Park to play the Dubs will be no harm at all. Fair comment but I would argue that fielding a strong side doesn't mean alot if they don't have the edge that they had up to that point. Not so sure about 'nothing to fear', Dublin were starting to come strong and get their new system together. A league final in Croker would have brought a big performance out of them. Lets face it, Cork knew pretty much that Dublin had their last game more or less won after about 55-60 minutes and therefore they knew exactly who would be in the final depending on their result. Cork had their game under control and dropped off at the end. I'm not saying they didn't want to play Dublin. But what could have changed the game at that stage when Cork were and proved to be clearly superior to Mayo? Anyway I won't bore the rest of the lads here anymore. Really looking forward to the game on sunday as we have a point to prove and it's an awful shame this isn't in Cork or at a neutral venue. Limerick or Thurles would have suited me perfect as I'll be in Ennis til sunday morning! The GAA just don't seem to care about fans like me
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Post by mossie on Apr 7, 2014 22:44:48 GMT
I think the most worrying aspect was the lack of fire and determination . You would think Cork would take care of that but they just strolled around the field . Some of the Cork players pushed them out of the way like they were Kids . Griffin was destroyed and I think he is too loose for a Full Back and is not fast . Maybe try him at no.6 and bring Marc back to full back . Midfield was destroyed also and we don't have anyone else so we are stuck there . It's the same old story . Full Back and Midfield . Kelly will be in Goals for the Championship . Paul Murphy was a good find . I think him , Marc , Enright was poor again I dont think he should start . Fionn Fitgerald would strengthen the full back line . Crowley , Griffin and Killian the Half Back line . Maher and Moran . Casey , Sheehan , and Darren the half forward line . O'Brien , Declan and O'Donoghue inside line . Geaney , Donnacha , Buckley , Enright , Donaghy , Kilkenny , and O'Leary could be decent subs to bring . They would be doing well to make the Semis this year . Ambrose was also advocating for Mark Griffin at number 6 on the wireless before the game on Sunday.
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Post by fitz on Apr 7, 2014 23:30:32 GMT
Again, if you watch the full tape on Griffin and Hurley, he does quite well in first half, won a couple of exchanges, was beaten once by an excellent brake slam and left footed point and once Hurley got inside him to fist a point. In the second half he was for sure too loose but he always kept him outside. Putting Fionn on him was ludicrous. I thought Hurley had a blatant throw ball for a point by teammate in early second half, in along the touch line
Ultimately name one player in the country who would have managed Hurley on his form yesterday? Let sense prevail please?
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Post by seaniebo on Apr 8, 2014 0:27:14 GMT
Again, if you watch the full tape on Griffin and Hurley, he does quite well in first half, won a couple of exchanges, was beaten once by an excellent brake slam and left footed point and once Hurley got inside him to fist a point. In the second half he was for sure too loose but he always kept him outside. Putting Fionn on him was ludicrous. I thought Hurley had a blatant throw ball for a point by teammate in early second half, in along the touch line Ultimately name one player in the country who would have managed Hurley on his form yesterday? Let sense prevail please? Agree 100%...In fact he had a good handle on Hurley for the first few minutes in the second half before the dam opened. Some of Brian Hurley's scoring was exhibition stuff. Worth the entry fee alone. Most of the ball into him was of he very highest quality. Give that kind of ball to any lethal forward and he will make hay. Griffin will be our full back for the summer. He had a difficult day and no doubt it was a steep learning curve. Hopefully he can. Our problems certainly came from further out the field where we were cleaned out in midfield. This made the task of defending a Cork unit on fire all the more harder. Kerrigan in particular was a constant thorn. Despite this we started off quite well in this sector and when good ball went in to our full forward line we looked dangerous. I'm not sure of the stats but breaking ball in that second half certainly was a one sided affair. Kieran O Leary played decent enough and was certainly one of our better lads on show. Past performances seem to have embedded in people's minds and he's the first to be slaughtered here when he chips are down. Unfairly in this instance I feel. Paul Geaney has what it takes. That I have no doubt. He's a wee bit on the green side still which is to be expected. When surrounded he panics a bit in possession. In time I expect him to become a bit cuter. The second half was a dire affair. However one swallow doesn't make a summer. This game will be long forgotten by the time championship comes about. We did look a bit leggy. In fact the warm up had me tired looking at it! In fairness to Cork they have quality throughout. They all look like big hardy boys. Very strong and looked much fitter. There league campaign couldn't have gone any better and I fancy them to take the Dubs scalp. Potentially are the real deal for bigger and better things
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 8, 2014 6:28:41 GMT
I think the most worrying aspect was the lack of fire and determination . You would think Cork would take care of that but they just strolled around the field . Some of the Cork players pushed them out of the way like they were Kids . Griffin was destroyed and I think he is too loose for a Full Back and is not fast . Maybe try him at no.6 and bring Marc back to full back . Midfield was destroyed also and we don't have anyone else so we are stuck there . It's the same old story . Full Back and Midfield . Kelly will be in Goals for the Championship . Paul Murphy was a good find . I think him , Marc , Enright was poor again I dont think he should start . Fionn Fitgerald would strengthen the full back line . Crowley , Griffin and Killian the Half Back line . Maher and Moran . Casey , Sheehan , and Darren the half forward line . O'Brien , Declan and O'Donoghue inside line . Geaney , Donnacha , Buckley , Enright , Donaghy , Kilkenny , and O'Leary could be decent subs to bring . They would be doing well to make the Semis this year . Ambrose was also advocating for Mark Griffin at number 6 on the wireless before the game on Sunday. Ambrose has been preaching that move since the start of the league when he stated that Aidan O'Mahony was still the best option for full-back. If you move Griffin out who will go in? Marc's days in side are long gone and I don't think he's done much at wing-back either this year. Aidan would be a liability inside there at this stage. Leave Griffin there and let him keep learning.
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