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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2011 7:13:39 GMT
Do I think the Dubs defense is equipped to contain our forwards?.......depends what you mean by the Dubs defense......... it will be very difficult to get scores if Dublin funnel everone back. If the Dubs go to man mark 15 v 15, Kerry will win. Do I think Dublins half backs are as good as our own?............ probably not but what does it matter if they have 10 players in the half back line? Jack or Gilroy ..........Jack obviously but Gilroy has started moulding his own team since the loss to Meath in 2010. Gilroy is a Vincents man where Heffo, Mullins, Hanahoe and all the other Dublin icons came from. They are winners and they dont worry too much about the manner of winning. Have a close look at the last 5 minutes of the Donegal game........ the amount of late slaps thrown by Dublin is unbelievable...... and all unpunished and all uncommented on by the media. The hubris by some posters over the past seven days in worrying to say the least. The game in 2009 has as much relevance as the 1975 game. Dublin will be quite happy to keep Kerry from scoring no more than 12 points and they are capable of doing that. It wont be pretty. We desperately need Declan to slot points with both feet from around the D but Declans form based on the Limerick and Mayo games is gone. Kerry are up against it big time in this final. Of course Dublin may play below par as its their first final etc . But given the type of character that Gilroy has introduced......McAuley, Rory O Carroll, Cian O Sullivan....... I think these guys are not in the least big flakey. Probably an obvious follow up question but, do you think Dublin will win? Too hard to call. Someone from mars would have thought that the lads in blue in this clip were the ones holding 3 All Ireland medals. Were Tyrone just having a bad night or were they simply brished aside?
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2011 7:31:14 GMT
below are some extract from the Dubs fans forum.
Kerry are in the final have only had to play 35 min of football, the first half against Cork. Limerick are a division 3 side and Mayo are weak enough, they are just good enough to make you feel good about beating them handily. I know this Kerry team don't have a lot to find out about themselves, but they will find out more in a couple of weeks. I think they will not have met a full back line like ours for a while and I would be confident O Sullivan will handle Gooch ok, Donaghy will get shag all off O Carroll.
Our half backs and their half forwards are a fairly good match up and I would think we would have the edge in work rate and mobility at midfield. Flynn missing would be really bad for us, if he is, we will need someone to show like some of the hurlers showed against Tipp. Connolly is also important, but god knows how that will go. With a full pick I think we can do it, down Flynn and / or Connolly, we will need someone like McMennamin or O Gara (or Mossie, who would be my favorite) to play like they haven't played all year, but most of all we need people to take the right options on the ball.
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Kerry are good but they are beatable. We are focusing on how great they are and what we have to do to stop them winning.
We win by playing to our strengths. Yes they will try to blitz us as they did in 2009 but we should be aware of that. We dominate the middle third which we can and apply pressure on their backs who may be more vulnerable than we think.
Kerry in 2011 have had one test this year against Cork played well for 40 mins and hung on and would have been beaten if Miskella shot was a couple of inches to the right. Limerick twice and Mayo were not earth shakers and Kerry coughed up loads fo goal chances.
Kerry in 2010 were beaten by Down so Kerry have not really showed much since 2009.
Not underestimating them bit we have had two games with Tyrone, two with Cork (semi and league final) add in Kildare and Donegal and Dublin have had a lot of learning and battle hardening since Kerry played Down.
I would not underestimate our chances at all and maybe they have to worry bit more about us than we think.
We could have had worse refs.
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i have to admit i reckon if its tight going into the last 5 minutes id fear a kerry victory. experience of playing in finals should stand to kerry even though i dont recall them winning many close All Irelands recently.
I think we have to score goals in this. apart from the last game, which we created two (one legit, one missed), we should create the chances and its imperative the lads take them. the conversion rate in the championship hasn't been great and theres no time like the final to correct it. the kerry keeper is very susceptible under a high ball and i dont think a few testers early on would do us any harm.
discipline is also key with messrs sheehan and cooper about but ive seen cracks in the kerry team over the last two years that were not there before. although they are not creaking, they are not as potent around the middle, the back line has experience in bucket fulls but lacks pace, they concede lots of goals, and are not entering the final exactly what you may call battle hardened.
what they do have however, is a range of scoring options. apart from an off form donaghy and the genius cooper we have to contend with the osullivans and the roving half backs of the like of tomas o shea. o shea has to be watched as he is very accurate from in and around the 40.
this game could come down to a tactical battle upon who disrupts each others kick-outs the best. we have been very astute at this and JOC will un-doubtably try to disrupt cluxtons influence. kerry too dont exactly pile the ball down the middle anymore and play alot towards the wings. the kickout meant nothing in the semi-final as it was uncontested but in this game the team that comes out on top should get the better ball in. its probably here where the game will be won or lost. i hope its here where our work-rate and ability to win dirty ball will see us through.
a tyrone game type succession rate of winning breaking ball will do just nicely.
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In order to beat Kerry I believe we must do the following:
1) Continue with our current defensive game plan. Kerrys forwards are key for them and our defense is key for us. If we can keep space to a minimum for Gooch then we'll be a long way towards winning. Declan O'Sullivan needs to be man marked (but not by Ger Brennan) and Darren O'Sullivan cant get in for any goal chances. Thats what he lives off. If we stop him doing that his confidence will drop considerably.
2) We cant foul anywhere inside our own 60. This fella is a machine and has serious distance. They will stay in touch if we give them soft frees. James McCarthy in particular from last day. It must be tough as I'm sure he's fired up to the max but he cant lunge in as he did last day.
3) We will be doing to Kerry what Donegal did to us (to a much lesser extent but the principal is the same). We want to frustrate their forwards by limiting their space and tackling them in numbers. We want them to come forward form half back to create an overlap and then turn them over and hit the lads inside early while the space is there. The psychological edge of knowing you are frustrating the opposition will stand to us. We want the game to be played in a manner where we are dictating both teams game plan. We had to adjust for Donegal. We want Kerry to bend for this one and find a way around us.
4) We need our kickout strategy to continue working. They destroyed us in 2009 by being super tight for the kickouts. Cluxo had no options and had to lump it out. Scanlon and O'Shea cleaned us. That was the platform for a mauling.
5) We need Dermo. Donegal was never going to suit him but after watching it again he got through some serious work. The space will be there next day and he's the man you want in that situation.
6) We need Flynner. Vital because his work rate sets the tone for the rest of the team and particularly in that middle third. Also a serious option for kickouts. Makes himself available for every Dublin kickout and even when marked he is still a great fielder of the ball. Breaks the ball really well too.
7) Let Cluxo take all the left footed frees. Berno hit the post with one last day and it bounced over. Thats a ticking bomb in my opinion. Its only one game now. Why even take the chance (obviously I consider Cluxo the more accurate kicker off his strong foot)
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kerry blitzed cork in the munster final and couldnt live with cork in the second half when cork started there running game. if we start with intensity from the start and finish it somewhat like we did against tyrone i think we can win this game i think we are better in midfield, better in the backs ,better in the goalkeeping department half forwards its a toss of the coin, full forwards they have arguably the best forward in the country just like we can say we have arguably the best forward in the country. im not going to buy into the pundits saying that there will still be scars from 2009, ffs how many players will be starting on the 18th of september that started in 2009 completely different team and different game plan. there is enough DOOM and gloom right now so im going to be positive viva la dublin
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We arent better then them up front. Exposing their backs will only come about if we win midfield. I'm still waiting for kerry to be cleaned out there. We definitely have a better defence in my view. I think its 50/50 at midfield but they have a clear advantage up front.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 10:42:29 GMT
I think Dublin believe that they can do to us what they did to Tyrone. They'll deny this of course, but I've heard from a number of their supporters. Most would be very much in the "hope" category, no matter what they might say. Bravado is an indigenous trait amongst us, don't you know? And it's clear that Kerry are not Tyrone. And there will never be the combination of circumstances/factors leading into that game again, it turned out to be the perfect set-up, in no small way helped by Tyrone's high-profile, high-scoring run through the qualifiers (ironic considering how in the past it had helped them). Kerry come into this final with an even lower profile than Dublin. If they had played Cork again and beaten them, it would be a different story, as people have been saying "the winners will come from Kerry and Cork" all year.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 10:43:53 GMT
The disciplinary system and the standard of refereeing is avery very poor. There is no consistency. I can't be arsed to provide justification for the above statement. Most that have watched both hurling and football league and championship games over the past few years will know what I am on about. You could spend hours giving examples but what's the point? Use the rules or lose them - like the muscles! Dublin got out of jail on Sunday in my opinion and will be extremely dangerous in the final but hopefully so will Kerry! Do Dublin supporters think there team played well on Sunday? Forget about Donegal tactics...........Did your boys play well? I presume this is to me Tadgheen? Most that I would know think similar to me, that Dublin got out of jail, played very very poorly, very negatively, looked certain to be beaten after 45-minutes. However it's also clear that many have been fooled/want to fool themselves by the attitude and media hysteria about Donegal's tactics. That somehow it would all have been so much better if Donegal had been more attack-minded. Based on how poorly Dublin started the game, even before a tackle was put in by a Donegal player, an open game of football could well have still ended in a terrible struggle. More likely, wiht what was at stake, it would have ended up like the Donegal/Mayo semi in 1992, increasingly desperately scrappy with alot of frees and wides. Whatever about getting monkeys off backs and getting out of jail, the wilting of the Dublin players in the face of the semi-final challenge itself is very much a source of worry. Perhaps if it was any team other than Kerry in the final it might be different, but I can't help feeling that this bunch of footballers, or a sizeable proportion of them, lack the kind of ruthless conviction and belief to perform in the whitest heat. In other words, they fear defeat and humiliation too much. Is it anything that the likes of Gilroy could have done anything about? I have often wondered watching him and listening to his interviews, how does he inspire? How does he help players believe and perform on the day, when the challenege is greatest, when things look like they are going to be a terrible struggle, and there is a real danger of defeat? He doesn't look to me to have the conviction and hardness of other top coaches. He looks like a thinker and a diplomat and very good at many aspects of things, but in the moments when there is nothing left to find but naked desire and conviction to win, is he a man that has the ability to spring for a kill? If he isn't, and he doesn't look like it (and last year's semi, this year's league final, this year's semi, and several other games in the last 2 years would back it up), then how can he bring the players to that place, how can he drive them on? In the way that I would almost be certain that JOC at least does. You have to be able to find a place where you can balance your worst fears against your greatest desires in a way that lets you perform.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 11:06:13 GMT
rashers I though I had made myself clear. Marc was guilty of a red card offence. So is Connolly. Lots of others were too but what has that got to do with anything. Try telling a judge that you should get off because others did similar offences and werent caught Now you have completely confused me about who was talking about what or saying what, which is very good, because we can leave it go. The reason I made the points I did though was because others seemed to be saying one man should NOT get off becasue others didn't, and also because factors like the play-acting one were not being considered (and even the notion that others weren't getting off was innacurate when you look at how Michael Murphy, for example, was treated). Regarding your points about how Dublin might play in the final, I mostly agree, I think it will be very defensive, for the most part. However, alot depends on some element of chance, in that if one team or the other gets an early lead, the game could well open and swing. Though evidence seems to support the idea that keeping it tight even when behind can work too. And let's not kid the world here, Kerry are very capable of playing a slow, hand-passing, deep-lying possession game as required. They started to play it, as I've often said here, during the league of 2008, the final against Derry was an example. They wanted to counterract Tyrone. It didn't work against Tyrone in the 2008 final, and the reasons why it didn't would be a very interesting discussion. As would what way Kerry's style of play has gone since 2008.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 11:09:19 GMT
People thinking this match will redeem the core values of the game and put an end to donegal style tactics will be in for a rude awakening i think. It will be a far more open and entertaining game but dublin are not a traditional man to man team either. Their defensive game is based on intensity,pressure and cutting out space. Just say they have a decent lead in the 2nd half,what are they going to do,go for the jugular or shut up shop. I'm worried about this match as i'm not sure what we're walking into. The strength of our forward division has received more plaudits than ever this year and dublin know they can't go man to man on them or they will be destroyed. Interesting how gilroy or his players never criticised donegal's style of play,took a few pointers for the final perhaps? After they way they let it slip against Cork in last year's semi, and this year's league final, and several other games in recent years, and the fact that the high-intensity game leaves the forwards especially lacking the extra yard in the latter stages, then any sort of a lead in the last 20 minutes for Dublin would certainly mean trying to close the game down.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 2, 2011 11:12:33 GMT
rashers I though I had made myself clear. Marc was guilty of a red card offence. So is Connolly. Lots of others were too but what has that got to do with anything. Try telling a judge that you should get off because others did similar offences and werent caught Now you have completely confused me about who was talking about what or saying what, which is very good, because we can leave it go. The reason I made the points I did though was because others seemed to be saying one man should NOT get off becasue others didn't, and also because factors like the play-acting one were not being considered (and even the notion that others weren't getting off was innacurate when you look at how Michael Murphy, for example, was treated). Regarding your points about how Dublin might play in the final, I mostly agree, I think it will be very defensive, for the most part. However, alot depends on some element of chance, in that if one team or the other gets an early lead, the game could well open and swing. Though evidence seems to support the idea that keeping it tight even when behind can work too. And let's not kid the world here, Kerry are very capable of playing a slow, hand-passing, deep-lying possession game as required. They started to play it, as I've often said here, during the league of 2008, the final against Derry was an example. They wanted to counterract Tyrone. It didn't work against Tyrone in the 2008 final, and the reasons why it didn't would be a very interesting discussion. As would what way Kerry's style of play has gone since 2008. The reason it didn't work are not all that difficult to explain. We had two extremely weak players on the half forward line.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 11:16:02 GMT
Gong into the Dublin game some of the Tyrone players were saying that if their shooting was more accurate than it was in 2010 against the Dubs, they would have a very good chance - a few of them said as much in the lead-up. The situation is different for Kerry and the players won't be thinking that way. They'll also have that quarter-final and the Donegal game to analyse during the build-up - something Tyrone did not have. It's a final and Kerry will at the very least be prepared for different eventualities, and the loss to Dublin in Croke Park in February might just put some fire in their bellies. Dublin have only leaked two goals in the Championship but they haven't come up against our forwards yet, who should get a few opportunities on the day if they can show a bit of the cuteness which they undoubtedly possess. If Dublin's defensive lock needs picking, you would have to trust that between them Jack and the players can manage it somehow. I hope. As soon as I heard Tyrone people saying that after last year's quarter, I felt they were sliding into "defeatist" territory. Once that kind of mentality worms its way in, it's very hard to get rid of. Because of that factor alone, I was confident should we face Tyrone again this year. I lost some of that confidence along the way, but in hindsight I feel it was always an indicator of what was to come. In regards to the league game, I feel that Kerry knew they had the winning of the game, but never let on that they were disappointed or "should" have won. There was always through the league from what I was reading on forums, and hearing in interviews and from Kerry folk a sense/air of "quiet but strong belief/determination". They played the better football, and lost mainly because Dublin got a couple of soft goals during a loose period of the match. Having said that, Dublin's team through the league was very disjointed, and most games were won by a short head in a scramble. Character-building yes, but never convincing.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 11:20:26 GMT
Mick Mac, a few questions- Do you think the Dubs defense is equipped to curtail our forwards? Going on the two most recent performances, neither Dublin or Kerry play through midfield opting instead to kick short to the half back line, and so another question - do you think Dublins half backs are as good as our own? And finally, who you want on the sideline, Jack or Gilroy? I've spoken about this above. JOC, clearly. He has proven himself. And he always comes across as a man of steely fortitude and massive conviction. If I was in a dressingroom, this would be a man that I would 'fly and die' for. Gilroy for me comes across as uncertain, too nice, too much of a thinker and diplomat. And he is an inexperienced coach who could be argued to be undermined by a hugely experienced assistant. He would need to be a JOC type of individual to get the best out of having someone of Whelan's experience (and self-belief), he would need to be a bit of a Napoleon
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 11:26:07 GMT
How do people think the kerry backs will match up. Heres how i think they might match up. Dublin have played a 2 man full forward line most of the year with Bernard Brogan and Connolly inside. With Connolly suspended that leaves Dublin with the options of McMenamon, O'Gara or even Mossie Quinn. I think as headless and all as he is the dubs O'Gara will start. His physical presence and straight running could cause Kerry problems. He is also a threat under the high ball and Dublin might attack Kerry that way cos B Brogan is good in the air too. If Dublin start that way then I think Marc O'Se will pick up Bernard Brogan. Marc O'Se is our best man marker and he is their best forward. Tom O'Sullivan will battle is out with O'Gara then. Killian Young will pick up Alan Brogan and follow him out the field where he is playing mostly this year. I expect Kerry will leave one of their half backs sweep. Very tough to call which one though. If the sweeper is to protect the full back line I think O'Mahoney is the best option but if its to play ball and drive at dublin the other 2 can play that role. I think Kerry will be confident in their full back line so will leave Tomas O'Se back and let Cullen free for the forwards and midfield to pick up when he gets on the ball. He isnt a running threat like Cahill or Flynn. So Brosnan will pick up Cahill and O'Mahoney will pick up Flynn then. Ant thoughts? Looks like O'Gara for Connolly. Certainly won't be both if Connolly gets to play. They didn't play at all well together in Leinster, and in fact the style of play this year hasn't suited O'Gara at all. He needs early, long ball to be truly effective. It's possible Gilroy will go with a surprise FF option.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 11:28:26 GMT
The Dubs have plenty of Croke park experience and are used to playing in front of large crowds so September will not pose a problem for them. You are doing your job in talking up the Dubs but an all ireland final is like no other game or occasion. Most of our lads have played in at least 5 already. None of the Dubs have played on the big day. I made this point before the 2009 final - Cork had 4 forwards starting that day who hadnt started a final before. They showed it in that 2nd half. Corke Park experience counts for nothing if it's bad experience that you carry in, this much has been shown over the last 20 years at least. The Donegal semi shows it clearly to be the case that fear of defeat can make all that noise and colour seem like a major mental breakdown, with an audience to witness your collapse.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 11:33:11 GMT
I reckon they could start Dessie Farrell's lovechild in the half forward line and try and exploit the "running through the middle weakness" that our defence is meant to have. I think that while this tactic would work (to a point), O' Mahony would be the best man to pick him up. Any chance spectators at training would be given whistles and a licence to blow them constantly during training so as to break players' association between hearing a whistle and stopping play? I noticed in last year's Dublin/Tyrone 1/4 final a few Tyrone players were caught out by this when they were attacking the hill I seriously doubt if they would throw Ross McConnell in full forward for an All Ireland Final. Dessie Farrells love child....Was saying that to someone a few weeks back he is the head off him ha! I think they will use McMenamon as a impact sub. His hard running could cause problems for a tiring Kerry defence. I dont think he would make as much of an impact starting o be honest. I think he looks like Charlie Redmond meself! I disagree about his role. I think he should be in from the start. I felt he was hugely effective during the league, not the "overcarrying, blind alley, easily dispossessed" caricature that alot of people labeled him as, and if Dublin want to gain initiative early, we need him to punch holes. And if Flynn is out, you can be certain Macsi will be in.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 11:37:08 GMT
Yes, Seamus, I think Paddy Heaney has finally produced a relevant piece of journalism. Having taken the time to look again at the Dublin/Tyrone and Dublin/Donegal (I know..but all for the cause and all that) games, we are facing 2003 revisited...hopefully we're ready this time. The castigation of Donegal and Jim McGuiness for the negative tactics on Sunday last has been all consuming in the media...and yet, if you study the game, Dublin were only marginally less negative. What is it Mick Mac says about conventional wisdom spares us from the pain of having to think or something like that... In the qtr-final, Dublin did to Tyrone what TYrone did to us in 2003. I think the Tyrone forwards were better in 2003 that the Dubs equivalents in 2011 but time will tell. Tyrone were less able to cope this time around than we were in 2003...same result though.... Getting an early lead will be crucial.... I think that Kerry are seeing this final as making up for not having a shot at Tyrone. In other words, Dublin will look read and white to Kerry and maybe they are using those jersies in training! To beat a team playing Dublin's style in a final, and a mostly young hungry team with lots of hype and big ambitions, would be the icing on the cake for this great Kerry team. It would round off another sumptious golden era feast with a dessert that is almost as good as the main course and starters put together. By the way, Paddy Heaney suddenly Kerry's best friend? I wonder how many more strongly held convictions will fall before this final - Liam Hayes will finally be recognised as a great undercover agent who year in year out gives Kerry that extra little bit of motivation to prove their greatness, when it seem that none is left to use. And Paddy Heaney - he is showing his true colours.
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Post by clubmayo on Sept 2, 2011 12:01:27 GMT
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 12:02:25 GMT
Now you have completely confused me about who was talking about what or saying what, which is very good, because we can leave it go. The reason I made the points I did though was because others seemed to be saying one man should NOT get off becasue others didn't, and also because factors like the play-acting one were not being considered (and even the notion that others weren't getting off was innacurate when you look at how Michael Murphy, for example, was treated). Regarding your points about how Dublin might play in the final, I mostly agree, I think it will be very defensive, for the most part. However, alot depends on some element of chance, in that if one team or the other gets an early lead, the game could well open and swing. Though evidence seems to support the idea that keeping it tight even when behind can work too. And let's not kid the world here, Kerry are very capable of playing a slow, hand-passing, deep-lying possession game as required. They started to play it, as I've often said here, during the league of 2008, the final against Derry was an example. They wanted to counterract Tyrone. It didn't work against Tyrone in the 2008 final, and the reasons why it didn't would be a very interesting discussion. As would what way Kerry's style of play has gone since 2008. The reason it didn't work are not all that difficult to explain. We had two extremely weak players on the half forward line. I would argue it was at least partly if not mostly a mental thing - in trying to counterract Tyrone, they lost sight and belief of their own greatest strengths, even though they would have tried very much not to do that. I was in a pub in town just before that final, talking to some Kerry fans. All the talk was about "how will we deal with Tyrone, their system" etc. There was too much emphasis on it, and that happenned because Tyrone had beaten Kerry the previous twice. Kerry seemed to have lost belief in their own innate way of playing. Well, when up against Tyrone anyway! I felt that Kerry had the pieces they required that day, but used them badly, they just didn't perform to a high enough standard. Overall the standard was a bit down on the 2005 final, but the balance of performance (by each team) remained the same.
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Post by playitfair on Sept 2, 2011 12:16:20 GMT
I think that Kerry will view this final as they do all finals. They are maintaining a legacy and if they fail to wn, they are tarnishing that legacy. This will be one hell of a contest. If it can come close to matching the 2007 meeting, it will be some classic.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 2, 2011 12:42:52 GMT
History and tradition will have a huge bearing for Kerry. We got a picture of what those 2 things meant in 2009 with Paul Galvin. There was just no-way they were going to allow Cork to beat them in a final. Hopefully they will carry that attitude into this game.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 2, 2011 12:56:01 GMT
The reason it didn't work are not all that difficult to explain. We had two extremely weak players on the half forward line. I would argue it was at least partly if not mostly a mental thing - in trying to counterract Tyrone, they lost sight and belief of their own greatest strengths, even though they would have tried very much not to do that. I was in a pub in town just before that final, talking to some Kerry fans. All the talk was about "how will we deal with Tyrone, their system" etc. There was too much emphasis on it, and that happenned because Tyrone had beaten Kerry the previous twice. Kerry seemed to have lost belief in their own innate way of playing. Well, when up against Tyrone anyway! I felt that Kerry had the pieces they required that day, but used them badly, they just didn't perform to a high enough standard. Overall the standard was a bit down on the 2005 final, but the balance of performance (by each team) remained the same. A lot of this is of course true, however team selection played a huge part.
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Post by nkgirl on Sept 2, 2011 13:50:45 GMT
vodafone2011 has been banned Fair Play... I was reading his comments and thinking what was the problems in his ceann!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 2, 2011 14:03:11 GMT
CLUB MAYO -IS THAT GENUINE? I'd CHECK IT OUT, IF IT IS A HOAX IT IS NOT FAIR ON MAYO GAA PLAYERS. MAYBE THE POSTER ON HERE CAN SUBSTANTIATE IT ALL. I TRIED TO AND THERE IS NOTHING SUBSTANTITATIVE.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 14:10:31 GMT
below are some extract from the Dubs fans forum. Kerry are in the final have only had to play 35 min of football, the first half against Cork. Limerick are a division 3 side and Mayo are weak enough, they are just good enough to make you feel good about beating them handily. I know this Kerry team don't have a lot to find out about themselves, but they will find out more in a couple of weeks. I think they will not have met a full back line like ours for a while and I would be confident O Sullivan will handle Gooch ok, Donaghy will get shag all off O Carroll. Our half backs and their half forwards are a fairly good match up and I would think we would have the edge in work rate and mobility at midfield. Flynn missing would be really bad for us, if he is, we will need someone to show like some of the hurlers showed against Tipp. Connolly is also important, but god knows how that will go. With a full pick I think we can do it, down Flynn and / or Connolly, we will need someone like McMennamin or O Gara (or Mossie, who would be my favorite) to play like they haven't played all year, but most of all we need people to take the right options on the ball. ################################## Kerry are good but they are beatable. We are focusing on how great they are and what we have to do to stop them winning. We win by playing to our strengths. Yes they will try to blitz us as they did in 2009 but we should be aware of that. We dominate the middle third which we can and apply pressure on their backs who may be more vulnerable than we think. Kerry in 2011 have had one test this year against Cork played well for 40 mins and hung on and would have been beaten if Miskella shot was a couple of inches to the right. Limerick twice and Mayo were not earth shakers and Kerry coughed up loads fo goal chances. Kerry in 2010 were beaten by Down so Kerry have not really showed much since 2009. Not underestimating them bit we have had two games with Tyrone, two with Cork (semi and league final) add in Kildare and Donegal and Dublin have had a lot of learning and battle hardening since Kerry played Down. I would not underestimate our chances at all and maybe they have to worry bit more about us than we think. We could have had worse refs. ########################################################## i have to admit i reckon if its tight going into the last 5 minutes id fear a kerry victory. experience of playing in finals should stand to kerry even though i dont recall them winning many close All Irelands recently. I think we have to score goals in this. apart from the last game, which we created two (one legit, one missed), we should create the chances and its imperative the lads take them. the conversion rate in the championship hasn't been great and theres no time like the final to correct it. the kerry keeper is very susceptible under a high ball and i dont think a few testers early on would do us any harm. discipline is also key with messrs sheehan and cooper about but ive seen cracks in the kerry team over the last two years that were not there before. although they are not creaking, they are not as potent around the middle, the back line has experience in bucket fulls but lacks pace, they concede lots of goals, and are not entering the final exactly what you may call battle hardened. what they do have however, is a range of scoring options. apart from an off form donaghy and the genius cooper we have to contend with the osullivans and the roving half backs of the like of tomas o shea. o shea has to be watched as he is very accurate from in and around the 40. this game could come down to a tactical battle upon who disrupts each others kick-outs the best. we have been very astute at this and JOC will un-doubtably try to disrupt cluxtons influence. kerry too dont exactly pile the ball down the middle anymore and play alot towards the wings. the kickout meant nothing in the semi-final as it was uncontested but in this game the team that comes out on top should get the better ball in. its probably here where the game will be won or lost. i hope its here where our work-rate and ability to win dirty ball will see us through. a tyrone game type succession rate of winning breaking ball will do just nicely. ###################################### In order to beat Kerry I believe we must do the following: 1) Continue with our current defensive game plan. Kerrys forwards are key for them and our defense is key for us. If we can keep space to a minimum for Gooch then we'll be a long way towards winning. Declan O'Sullivan needs to be man marked (but not by Ger Brennan) and Darren O'Sullivan cant get in for any goal chances. Thats what he lives off. If we stop him doing that his confidence will drop considerably. 2) We cant foul anywhere inside our own 60. This fella is a machine and has serious distance. They will stay in touch if we give them soft frees. James McCarthy in particular from last day. It must be tough as I'm sure he's fired up to the max but he cant lunge in as he did last day. 3) We will be doing to Kerry what Donegal did to us (to a much lesser extent but the principal is the same). We want to frustrate their forwards by limiting their space and tackling them in numbers. We want them to come forward form half back to create an overlap and then turn them over and hit the lads inside early while the space is there. The psychological edge of knowing you are frustrating the opposition will stand to us. We want the game to be played in a manner where we are dictating both teams game plan. We had to adjust for Donegal. We want Kerry to bend for this one and find a way around us. 4) We need our kickout strategy to continue working. They destroyed us in 2009 by being super tight for the kickouts. Cluxo had no options and had to lump it out. Scanlon and O'Shea cleaned us. That was the platform for a mauling. 5) We need Dermo. Donegal was never going to suit him but after watching it again he got through some serious work. The space will be there next day and he's the man you want in that situation. 6) We need Flynner. Vital because his work rate sets the tone for the rest of the team and particularly in that middle third. Also a serious option for kickouts. Makes himself available for every Dublin kickout and even when marked he is still a great fielder of the ball. Breaks the ball really well too. 7) Let Cluxo take all the left footed frees. Berno hit the post with one last day and it bounced over. Thats a ticking bomb in my opinion. Its only one game now. Why even take the chance (obviously I consider Cluxo the more accurate kicker off his strong foot) ################## kerry blitzed cork in the munster final and couldnt live with cork in the second half when cork started there running game. if we start with intensity from the start and finish it somewhat like we did against tyrone i think we can win this game i think we are better in midfield, better in the backs ,better in the goalkeeping department half forwards its a toss of the coin, full forwards they have arguably the best forward in the country just like we can say we have arguably the best forward in the country. im not going to buy into the pundits saying that there will still be scars from 2009, ffs how many players will be starting on the 18th of september that started in 2009 completely different team and different game plan. there is enough DOOM and gloom right now so im going to be positive viva la dublin ################################ We arent better then them up front. Exposing their backs will only come about if we win midfield. I'm still waiting for kerry to be cleaned out there. We definitely have a better defence in my view. I think its 50/50 at midfield but they have a clear advantage up front. And one more: I felt like I was pointing out the pointlessness of saying Kerry were beaten by Down by saying Dublin were beaten by M**th last year. Kerry beat Cork last year Dublin lost to Cork last year. Kerry were missing T O'Se and Galvin for the game against Down and got caught on the hop. This Kerry team won an all ireland in 2009 and there was That game in 2009 that we wont speak of. T hey were the only team to Cork int he championship last year so to say they havent shown anything since 2009 is a bit misleading. They have sauntered through the Championship this year and every question that has been asked of them has been answered. They have gooch. :-)
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 2, 2011 14:15:07 GMT
***HOW ALL IRELAND COULD PLAY OUT*** Gilroy did not condemn Donegal so methinks he will do what Donegal did better. Kerry are more experienced as by definition not as fresh, and Tyrone did cause us problems with what is 'A ZERO SUM GAME, AN END-OF-PRODUCT LINE, RACE TO THE BOTTOM' tactic.
But it does beat better teams unless they counteract it and that is why it is used by challengers and often ignored until too late by would be champions.
How do you counteract it though so that you obliterate it? Long range points is only part of the solution?
And that we would wipe the floor with the Dubs in football proper suggests they have no choice but to go down that terrible road, down!
All in all I suppsoe the men at the helm are a bit more clued up that us, that justice will be done and we will prevail, again!
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Post by nkgirl on Sept 2, 2011 14:16:49 GMT
Ahhh Yes... The Gooch... Nice to see Tralee businesses starting to out out the flags..... I know week of the game there will be alot more flags.....
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Post by nkgirl on Sept 2, 2011 14:21:30 GMT
Rashers... Is there any word coming through on Connollys Red Card? Is there any info about when decision will be made etc?
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Post by Joxer on Sept 2, 2011 14:37:44 GMT
They don't want to detract from the Hurling Final but next week, it'll all be swept under the carpet...isn't that right, Rashers?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2011 15:54:45 GMT
They don't want to detract from the Hurling Final but next week, it'll all be swept under the carpet...isn't that right, Rashers? Like An Fear Laidir and Noelly O'Leary, I'd hope Dermo' will get his chance to play in the final. There were some good noises made so far, but you never know with GAA, if something is said or done that influences and p*sses off the powers that be in the next week, then opinions that may be sympathetic could easily change. Anyway I just want a decision made asap so it doesn't spoil the run-in, nor distract Dermo from preparation if he's going to be allowed play.
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Post by ddtinexile on Sept 2, 2011 16:38:08 GMT
I cannot believe what i am reading here about Connolly. If my memory is correct he threw one belt and followed up with a left and right that Ali would be proud of. Lighting fast and whether they were gay punches,sissy punches,or just handbags is immaterial. 3 stricking actions in my opinion ...straight red ..months suspension. Yes im going to say it and make no apology for it...if it was a player with a Kerry jersey i can guarantee he'd miss the final. So should connolly.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 2, 2011 16:51:38 GMT
I cannot believe what i am reading here about Connolly. If my memory is correct he threw one belt and followed up with a left and right that Ali would be proud of. Lighting fast and whether they were gay punches,sissy punches,or just handbags is immaterial. 3 stricking actions in my opinion ...straight red ..months suspension. Yes im going to say it and make no apology for it...if it was a player with a Kerry jersey i can guarantee he'd miss the final. So should connolly. I think according to the rules he should miss it... but I think the rules are a load of bollocks --- man's game my arse. I was right in front of Tomás Sé when he tickled the Tipp man's belly. Red Card!! Bollocks --- you wouldn't see the likes of it in poofball --- you wouldn't get a month's ban for a natural human reaction. AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH LET THE *ER PLAY AND SCREW THE RULES. (does anyone here give a * about the rules)
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Post by nkgirl on Sept 2, 2011 18:25:22 GMT
I cannot believe what i am reading here about Connolly. If my memory is correct he threw one belt and followed up with a left and right that Ali would be proud of. Lighting fast and whether they were gay punches,sissy punches,or just handbags is immaterial. 3 stricking actions in my opinion ...straight red ..months suspension. Yes im going to say it and make no apology for it...if it was a player with a Kerry jersey i can guarantee he'd miss the final. So should connolly. Wellall I can say is that my issue is that if Connolly was sent off so too should have the Donegal guy as he also struck... Adn in relation to if it was a Kerry guy... Then we would be looking for the same,Hoping and praying that he would not miss the final
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 2, 2011 20:22:04 GMT
Accurate that Tomas's suspension should come into the arena here. There was no public condemnation of his suspension then on the back of a very obvious dive brought on by tiddle dee winks in a hand bag.
Similarly post Galvin Gate Pairc Ui Rinn, even though video evidence carried no evidence of wrong doing.
No, just exclamations from people like Cahill on TSG that we should tease out these issues when they are connected with kerry players or Barr's piece in the Indo. The reverse side of bias shown when blue Dermo loses self control in a high pressured Croker game. Hypocrisy.
The Donegal player was intitled to go down holding his face, he received a double fisted blow to the chin.
Plenty of the usual auld clap crap flying around this week, even from some of our own.
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