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Post by goupforit on Aug 28, 2011 17:29:24 GMT
Well the dream final on paper anyway is happening. Dublin scraped through today against a rugged Donegal. After today's game Kerry will be hot favourites but Dublin will like it that way. Discuss
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Post by greenandgold on Aug 28, 2011 17:37:56 GMT
Don't agree that Kerry will be hot favourites ..I think most people will know that any team would have similar type of game against Donegal system. Dublin showed more nerve today than I expected of them ....alot of poor play and errors but not so much the mental frailty and brittleness that has been a real downfall for them in the past. Plus this type of game has to stand to a team . So I don't think there will be a hot favourite going into this game.
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Post by aranteorainn on Aug 28, 2011 17:41:43 GMT
Kerry by 10 , i'm not joking.
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Post by fg on Aug 28, 2011 17:44:31 GMT
aranteorainn your an *
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Post by lorr29 on Aug 28, 2011 18:10:42 GMT
That test is just what Dublin needed. Bring it on... I'm sure it won't take much to motivate the lads. Weeshie posted an interesting fact on Facebook yesterday, apparently no captain wearing the uimhir 13 has ever lifted Sam for the kingdom. But I pray and hope the lads have one more battle in the war zone that is Croke park
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Post by glengael on Aug 28, 2011 18:22:00 GMT
Don't agree that Kerry will be hot favourites ..I think most people will know that any team would have similar type of game against Donegal system. Dublin showed more nerve today than I expected of them ....alot of poor play and errors but not so much the mental frailty and brittleness that has been a real downfall for them in the past. Plus this type of game has to stand to a team . So I don't think there will be a hot favourite going into this game. Agree with you there, no hot favourites on Sept 18th. Both teams have their weaknessess and have plenty to work on before the Final.
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Post by ciarrai4sam on Aug 28, 2011 18:43:14 GMT
yep agree boys no hot favourites Dublin showed their strength and character today against a dire Donegal, they were just horrible to watch - pass the ball was their only option as they weren't great when they, kicked Kerry were tested last week too I feel against defensive mayo, should be a football final in the open sense, hope its lucky 13 this year lol :-) Dublin finally read directions to get to a final ha ticket search underway....
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Post by yerraman on Aug 28, 2011 18:52:12 GMT
I would still put kerry as favourites. Dublin contributed to their own problems today with a lack of composure on the ball and poor shot selection. They have a higher level of fitness and workrate but we have more football. Both teams are going in with room to improve and there will be no clear favourite which is good. The build up for this match will be unprecedented. However,i don't know what i'll have to do to get a ticket,i'm going to be using a lot of phone credit over the next 3 weeks.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 28, 2011 19:02:13 GMT
Seriously - at this stage I can't see how Dublin will contain The Gooch and Declan and Darran.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 28, 2011 19:13:52 GMT
PP odds now Ky 8-11 & D 6-4, suspect odds will move towards evens with the volume of blue cash between now and KY-Day
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 28, 2011 19:18:52 GMT
Seriously - at this stage I can't see how Dublin will contain The Gooch and Declan and Darran. With all respect stacks that's not an issue for us. The problems are on the other end of the pitch. Our defence has a big highway down the middle all season which has been well signposted. There are goal chances a plenty been given up all year long - can we finally put up the roadblocks and how are we going to do it? There is a lack of height in our fullback line that has been there all season and we are susceptible under the high ball especially and it remains an issue for Kealy as well not to say only. We are wide open through the centre and the defensive weakness starts from midfield back. Neither Anthony nor Byran have worked out the you stay and I go routine yet and our half backline tends to get pulled out towards the wings. Will we be able to remedy this defensive weakness?
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Post by G_S_J on Aug 28, 2011 19:19:39 GMT
The likes of the O'Se's, Tom O'Sullivan, Galvin, Declan O'Sullivan and Gooch dont mess about especially against the Dubs and now that its in an All Ireland final I'm expecting a very quick and painful death.
I just cannot see us losing the final, I know I could be leading myself up for a massive, massive fall, but shur isnt that part of the fun of it.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 28, 2011 19:33:17 GMT
It is arrogance in the extreme to think our attack will score so much that we don’t have to worry about our porous defence.
Dublin more than any other team thrives on the oxygen of goals and Kerry look from their perspective I'd imagine very vulnerable around the goal mouth – what an intriguing battle lies ahead.
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Post by nkgirl on Aug 28, 2011 20:09:06 GMT
I think that Kerry may be slight favourites for the game... But would be worried about Dublin!!!
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 28, 2011 20:14:51 GMT
Seriously - at this stage I can't see how Dublin will contain The Gooch and Declan and Darran. With all respect stacks that's not an issue for us. The problems are on the other end of the pitch. Our defence has a big highway down the middle all season which has been well signposted. There are goal chances a plenty been given up all year long - can we finally put up the roadblocks and how are we going to do it? There is a lack of height in our fullback line that has been there all season and we are susceptible under the high ball especially and it remains an issue for Kealy as well not to say only. We are wide open through the centre and the defensive weakness starts from midfield back. Neither Anthony nor Byran have worked out the you stay and I go routine yet and our half backline tends to get pulled out towards the wings. Will we be able to remedy this defensive weakness? Yes, we will, now that there will only the two Brogans to truly worry about with Connolly missing. Also, the winning will be in Kerry's attacking half backs - providing a width and accuracy Dublin will have trouble containing. Cullen again was found out when Donegal started their build ups - the half backs carried the ball more than anybody. Look what happened when Karl Lacy went off as an example. Now put Tomas, Eoin and Aidan attacking - through Cullen particularly who can't defend going backwards - and you begin to see how Kerry can beat Dublin. Today Dublin had their half backs sitting, waiting. Donegal never attacked down the wings after the first ten minutes. Darren won't give them that break. Midfield will be tough, yes. Bastick had Cavanagh in his pocket in the Tyrone game - but here's where Kerry have begun to do a Dublin on it - watch the number of short kick outs by Kealy growing game on game. Oh, and we're better at avoiding the hype! Ps, Donegal faded when Lacy went, and their legs went ....... over training or Kildare fatigue? We won't be as demanding on the more intense short passing game. Can Dublin beat us? Yes, by running us into the ground.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 28, 2011 20:36:42 GMT
God be with the days when Austinstacksabu was a glass half full kind of guy.
I am starting to worry now.
Declan touched the ball twice in the first half against Mayo. Donaghy couldnt jump. Tomas O Se footpassing was shocking Marc was run ragged by Andy Moran
This was the worst semi final since Donegal beat Mayo in 1992. The final will be a new game between different teams. One that has been round the track several times and the other appearing in its first final. The occasion may get to Dublin and they may not perform. However a lot of these guys have won minor and U21 medals as well as All Ireland Club medals.
As good and all as Gooch is, Declan is more important. He does three jobs....... making the hard yards out of defense and drawing fouls......winning breaking ball in the middle and of course...... scoring.
He got 1.05 in the 2007 semi final ......from play.
Without a full fit Declan we are only half dressed.
Declan turned his ankle in the first five minutes of the 2010 QF and Kerry suffered big time.
Time to get real folks
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Post by fritz on Aug 28, 2011 20:45:14 GMT
I'm delighted it's Dublin in the final. A Kerry-Dublin final has a resonance like no other.
The most electric sporting atmosphere I ever encountered was the 2007 semi.
To judge Dublin on the basis of today would be foolish in extremis.
Kerry's championship so far has been characterised by different players stepping up on different days. Let's hope all our key men can peak on September 18th. In Jack we trust.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 28, 2011 20:45:24 GMT
Ah but you know me Mick - the closer we get the more my glass empties.
We have better footballers than Dublin in more positions. That's what I see at the moment.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 28, 2011 20:56:01 GMT
The current generation of players and fans that have never experienced a kerry Dublin final have a responsibilty to get it right. Dublin have only beaten kerry a couple of times since the '50s in championship football. John Dowling's gang laid down a marker in '55.
kerry Dublin is not all it's cracked up to be, once kerry win of course .................
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 28, 2011 20:59:43 GMT
The current generation of players and fans that have never experienced a kerry Dublin final have a responsibilty to get it right. Dublin have only beaten kerry a couple of times since the '50s in championship football. John Dowling's gang laid down a marker in '55. kerry Dublin is not all it's cracked up to be, once kerry win of course ................. Brilliant.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 28, 2011 21:24:01 GMT
Kerry lost to Dublin twice in the 70s and the previous loss was an All ireland semi final before the war. That game was played in Tralee of all places.
Losing twice to Dublin was a big blot on Mickos copy book and Jack wont want to lose his record of never having lost to Dublin in the championship.
Here is something to keep peoples feet on the ground
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 29, 2011 0:18:21 GMT
A repeat of '84: Kerry v Dublin in the Seniors, Tipp v Dublin in the Minors. Speaking of Kerry's great record against Dublin, it gives a bit of consolation for the '92 loss to Clare, I'm half-glad we did because if we had beaten Clare, Dublin would definitely have beaten us in the semi-final and by a sizeable margin as well.
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Post by mozzy on Aug 29, 2011 2:05:47 GMT
It speaks volumes to know that Dublin are in the senior and the minor - glad to have them back again - surprised to see how confident some of our experienced posters are with regard to this game - this game will break down to 1) how well Dublin play i.e. can they repeat what they did against Tyrone, 2) how well Kerry backline does and 3) will all forwards not just a few show up for this game - we badly need Star and Declan to click - Gooch will want this bad and I suspect Dublin will do everything to shut him down - legally or otherwise as many a team has done in the past -
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 29, 2011 9:25:30 GMT
Midfield could prove redundant in this final. Both Dublin and now Kerry opt for the short kick outs down the wings.
The halfback line is where the winning of this game will revolve. I suspect we're stronger in that department.
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Post by KY50 on Aug 29, 2011 9:35:51 GMT
Perfect performance going into a final by Dublin, plenty for them to work on. I remember Armagh in 2002, Tyrone 2005,{I remember Jack saying that we peaked too early that year in the semi against against Cork} 2008, We went into those games a favourites and looked what happened. We struggled against Mayo in the first half of the semi final and they had less men behind the ball, I wonder how we would have coped with Donegal
A few points Dublin only conceded 6 points {3 from play and only one Donegal forward scored} They have a tremendous level of fitness and they appear to be mentally stronger Dublin forwards will get more space against Kerry They have plenty of pace and power all over the field Dublin injuries will clear up and I won't be suprised to see Connolly in the Final Dublin will point to the Wexford and Donegal games so no pressure on them, they will play themselves down, remember what happened to Tyrone after the Wexford game Dublin have been tested and are a very professional outfit
We will need to be at the very top of our game to have any chance of winning. {What happens if their defensive system holds the Kerry forwards - Mayo did it for a while in the semi
Anyhow lets get behind and support this great Kerry team
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Post by buck02 on Aug 29, 2011 9:49:22 GMT
We can only assess Dublin on the last game of football they played. The last game of football they played was against Tyrone when they were terrific.
What we can take out of yesterday is that they are mentally strong. The earwigs are most definately gone, the team that imploded against Cork in the league final look to be gone too.
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 29, 2011 10:17:21 GMT
In 1997 Maurice Fitzgerald hit his peak in the All-Ireland final at the age of 28, scoring 0-9, winning the All-Ireland, Man Of the Match, Top Scorer and Player of the Year. Gooch is also 28. If he hits form he will do the same as Maurice did, but with the captaincy to boot.
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Post by Derek on Aug 29, 2011 10:18:13 GMT
After watching the semi-final yesterday I’m totally convinced that Kerry will win comfortably on the 18th! Dublin are completely lacking in natural attacking footballers between the numbers 5-12 there isn’t one player in these 8 positions that would make the Kerry starting 15.
Their half forward line and midfield is made up mainly of converted backs. Donegal were to blame in the main yesterday but there isn’t one of that group of 8 players capably of kicking points from 30-45 yards out the field and they rely heavily on working the ball inside to their two best (now only) attacking options Bernard and Alan Brogan.
Contrast this to the same positions on the Kerry team and Tomás, Eoin Brosnan, Bryan Sheehan, Declan Sullivan, Darren Sullivan and Paul Galvin/Donnacha Walsh would all be well capable of keeping the score board ticking over.
They also don’t have a reliable free taker when it comes to it, Bernard brogan had a free from 30 yards out yesterday from near enough in front of the goals and he rattled one of the uprights with it.
For my money Kerry have had 8-9 scoring players all year - Dublin on the other hand have had 3 and one of them is now suspended for the final. And yes i know the Tyrone match says otherwise but having watched Donegal yesterday who beat Tyrone I’m not putting much faith in the score Dublin racked up in the quarter final.
Here are Dublin and Kerry’s results from this year - Dublin haven’t faced any team from Division 1 of the National League whereas Kerry have beaten Cork and Mayo.
Dublin 8 – Donegal 6 (Division 2) Dublin 22 – Tyrone 15 (Division 2) Dublin 2-12 – Wexford 1-12 (Division 3) Dublin 2-12 – Kildare 1-11 - (Division 2) Dublin 1-16 – Laois 11 (Division 2)
Kerry 2-16 - Tipperary 11(Division 3) Kerry 1-26 - Limerick 3-9(Division 3) Kerry 1-15 – Cork 1-12 (Division 1) Kerry 1-20 - Limerick 10(Division 3) Kerry 1-20 – Mayo 1-11 (Division 1)
Dublin - 85 Points scored in 5 games = 17 points per game Kerry - 115 Points in 5 Games = 23 points per game
Can anyone convince me otherwise?
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Post by KY50 on Aug 29, 2011 10:23:13 GMT
Agreed buck02 last game of football for Dublin was against Tyrone. Yesterday resembeled something like a Soccer match. Bottom line is we have a lot of work to do.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 29, 2011 10:28:08 GMT
Dublin have beaten us in the last two league games having not beaten us in the league for years. They will believe they can beat us, unlike Mayo and Limerick in the last two games.
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