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Post by kerrygold on Aug 22, 2011 22:39:25 GMT
Kerry were soaking up the Mayo pressure in the first 20 minutes while still controlling the tempo and full of the game. We all have different definitions of rustiness, you wouldn't want to believe everything thats said about kerry players. So will the Dubs step up to the plate and set up the dream final? This group of kerry players probably deserve the privillage of playing Dublin in a final before some of them slip off into the sunset with a bag full of memories slung over their shoulder. Its a genuine questions so leave the spinning to one side. My opinions are my own, always. I'll stand or fall by them. It was I myself who expected Kerry to be rusty, and watching the first half, the way they didn't take those early chances (which would also have opened the game up somewhat), I believe they were a bit rusty. I think it's an almost inevitable result of not having serious competitive games in so long. Only one serious test since the league. Even allowing for Kerry's massive experience, and in some way possibly because of that, and of course because of Mayo's challenge and set-up, they were not at their best in the first half. Passes were over-hit, ball was dropped, chances were missed, quite a few players looked lethargic or just not flowing. Timing looked off. Anyway, agree to disagree. It's not that important a point in the context of the overall outcome. KG there's a thread for Donegal-Dublin somewhere I believe. My opinions are on there and won't have changed because of the outcome of this game! As for spinning, when Kerry have lost their last 4 semi-finals by a total of 5 points to four different teams, not to mention losing a 7 point lead in the last 15 minutes of the most recent league final, we'll see what outlook you might have on your next semi! If you're on that thread, who would you prefer, Donegal or Dublin, and why? I expect to see Dublin beating Donegal. Four games on the spin and terrible refereeing cost Kildare that tie with Donegal. Dublin comfortably handled Kildare in the Leinster championship, current form points towards a Dublin win. I dont mind which team kerry meet in the Final as they will have to peak to close out the season. Tyrone were a shot team, Kildare tied with Dublin at the death and fell foul of further incompetent refereeing. Of course there is every chance Dublin are not all they are cracked up to be, BB is gone of the boil and Diarmuid Connolly might be still dazed after his trip with Alice in Wonderland. Time will tell.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 22, 2011 23:35:48 GMT
Pat Spillane is a total embarrassment at this stage.
Brolly made the rather obvious comment that Mayo had dictated the tactical side by playing the half forward in defence and Kerry were finding it difficult. Spillane didnt seem to have spotted that.
Spillane then carries on like a biitsy ould wan towards Brolly.
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Post by classicfc on Aug 23, 2011 1:33:15 GMT
Spillane is undoubtedly a pundit who revels in the echo of his own brown stuff but Brolly is knee deep in it. If Mayo were to continue sweeping with the council yard brushes they may have lost by less but they never would have given themselves the chance to realise if they could have put Kerry to the pin of their collars. Kerry were ahead at the break and winning in the possession stakes by 20 per cent and according to Brolly Mayo should persist with their tactics at the time. They knew they had to press and see if they could record a famous victory but they failed and there is no shame in trying. But if they continued to adopt the Brolly tactics they would have lost and died wondering while Tomas O Se kicked another 2 or 3 points. Leave Punch and Judy at it while O Rourke brings a semblance of reason to proceedings and in the meantime Kerry will be ghosting towards yet another All Ireland success!
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 23, 2011 9:57:24 GMT
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 23, 2011 10:25:42 GMT
Pat Spillane is a total embarrassment at this stage. Brolly made the rather obvious comment that Mayo had dictated the tactical side by playing the half forward in defence and Kerry were finding it difficult. Spillane didnt seem to have spotted that. Spillane then carries on like a biitsy ould wan towards Brolly. I don't like Spillane, but Brolly was taking through his rim. Kerry had the handle of Mayo's tactics with 10 minutes to go in the first half when they scored 5 unanswered points.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 23, 2011 10:28:29 GMT
You wouldn't put it past Cooper to score 5 or 6 points in the final.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 23, 2011 10:49:12 GMT
I think he's more confused with you saying tomorrow Dermot Today is only Friday of course Ah right ... Dont know how I came up with Saturday Anyway, as I thought, Kerry were way too much for Mayo. Cooper is a great player ... always makes it look so easy .. That O'Leary fella seems to be a good inclusion to the line too. Donaghy seems out of sorts though .. and Jaysus, does he ever shut up ... If he spent less energy yapping to the ref (all the time) he may get into the game a bit more !!
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Post by Tadhgeen on Aug 23, 2011 11:27:21 GMT
Well done to the management , squad and all involved for reaching yet another AI.
It's a phenomenal achievement and one that no other footballing county even comes close to.
I would be very cautious for the final though as we have to improve immensely.
Ok we beat Mayo well in the end but with respect to them they are not a great side and are hopefully up and coming.
Despite playing against an average side we struggled in parts. The first 10-15 nins we monopolised possession but with very little result on the scoreboard. Donaghy was well beaten and Declan could not break the line, whilst Gooch was bypassed. In fact as Veteran already mentioned there was very little movement from the front 6 in the firtst period. This will not do against better opposition.
Question - why can we not kick long range points like Sean Sull used to do? Sheehan is well able to kick long range points but on at least a couple of occasions in the first half declined to do so when in space. I think we will need to score long range points for the final.
In the backs we conceded a lot of possession and will be punished more by Donegal or Dublin unless we tighten up significantly in this area.
Lots of plusses as well though O'Leary being the biggest one for me. Of course our disicpline is also another as Mayo did provoke us and seemed intent on stopping a blistering Kerry start (which they succeeded in doing with cynical fouling which went unpunished by poor refereeing ). We remained disciplined and this will again be vital for the final.
One last point on Kealy, he made some great stops and his kick outs were good but why did he punch the high ball floated in to the square in the second half - the ball could have ended up anywhere.
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 23, 2011 11:55:52 GMT
I think he's more confused with you saying tomorrow Dermot Today is only Friday of course Ah right ... Dont know how I came up with Saturday Anyway, as I thought, Kerry were way too much for Mayo. Cooper is a great player ... always makes it look so easy .. That O'Leary fella seems to be a good inclusion to the line too. Donaghy seems out of sorts though .. and Jaysus, does he ever shut up ... If he spent less energy yapping to the ref (all the time) he may get into the game a bit more !! You're dead right about Donaghy Dermot. Personally I would have hauled him off after 20 minutes.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 23, 2011 12:05:05 GMT
Ah right ... Dont know how I came up with Saturday Anyway, as I thought, Kerry were way too much for Mayo. Cooper is a great player ... always makes it look so easy .. That O'Leary fella seems to be a good inclusion to the line too. Donaghy seems out of sorts though .. and Jaysus, does he ever shut up ... If he spent less energy yapping to the ref (all the time) he may get into the game a bit more !! You're dead right about Donaghy Dermot. Personally I would have hauled him off after 20 minutes. I think O'Connor has big plans for Donaghy though Jigz .... He wants to give him game time and confidence as he will be instrumental against the packed defences of Dublin or Donegal.
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Post by ArthurG on Aug 23, 2011 12:41:52 GMT
Kerry had the handle of Mayo's tactics with 10 minutes to go in the first half when they scored 5 unanswered points. Just on a technicality that always bugs me....did Mayo not get the last score of the half and therefore answer Kerry's 5 points in a row? What defines unanswered scores?
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 23, 2011 12:51:06 GMT
Kerry had the handle of Mayo's tactics with 10 minutes to go in the first half when they scored 5 unanswered points. Just on a technicality that always bugs me....did Mayo not get the last score of the half and therefore answer Kerry's 5 points in a row? What defines unanswered scores? 5 points in a row, without the other team scoring in that period. Moran scored after that.
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Post by homerj on Aug 23, 2011 13:49:19 GMT
my ratings -
Keely - 7 - played well, but one punch could have been costly, should have caught it.
tom s - 8 - best game this year, was immense i thought. marc - 8 - thought he had a great game, alot of ball went in there and he held moran fairly well killian - 7 - solid, scored a point and did well
tomas - 8 - solid also, and again, scored. class act, handled a pile of ball. brosnan - 8 - best game of the year and got forward for a point. mahony - 8 - best gamed in a long time and great to see him back to form of 06
sheehan - 7 - solid game and did well overall, maher - 7 - won his battle and played well, covered a pile of ground.
darren - 6 - not at his best, but has pace to burn and could/should have had 2 goals. declan - 5 - worst game ive ever seen him play, got roasted. surprised he was left on, though suppose moving him in FF gave us more options. donnacha - 7 best of the half forwards, held a pile of ball, unlucky to be the first off.
gooch - 9 - sublime. star - 6 - wasnt great, but came out to wing forward and won alot of ball. o leary - 7 - won ball, played well, hard to know if he will hold his spot for the final, but he did well.
galvin - 9 - though he was immense.
the rest werent really on that long, the game was won at that stage.
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Post by chrism on Aug 23, 2011 14:32:34 GMT
I am starting to wonder is Donaghy carrying an injury. He just doesnt look fit to me.
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Post by lár na páirce on Aug 23, 2011 15:24:18 GMT
Ya Star wasnt his usual self,But the ball into him was terrible and he still managed 2 points which aint a bad return..1-11 From the FF line is a nice score..
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 23, 2011 15:37:02 GMT
Am I the only one who thought that Maher completely outshone Sheehan?
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 23, 2011 15:41:03 GMT
It's strange that Donaghy got roasted and scored 0-2 from play while Moran roasted Marc Ó Sé and only got 0-2 from play as well.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 23, 2011 16:35:40 GMT
A question in my head since the match regarding the Gooch's "unorthodox pick-up" which led to our first point in the 2nd half. Was it legal? If not, it should be because the amount of skill required to pull off something like that is extraordinary. But the Mayo back at the time had a look on his face as if he expected a foul to be called and some of the commentariat since have claimed that it should not have been allowed.
Any rule-book afficionados out there who know the answer?
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Post by champer on Aug 23, 2011 16:53:09 GMT
Totally illegal. You cannot pick the ball up with your knees.
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Post by Corner Back on Aug 23, 2011 17:14:26 GMT
A question in my head since the match regarding the Gooch's "unorthodox pick-up" which led to our first point in the 2nd half. Was it legal? If not, it should be because the amount of skill required to pull off something like that is extraordinary. But the Mayo back at the time had a look on his face as if he expected a foul to be called and some of the commentariat since have claimed that it should not have been allowed. Any rule-book afficionados out there who know the answer? It is illegal to pick the ball up OFF THE GROUND with with your knees or ankles, however in Gooch's case the ball was resting on his calves so it was technically off the ground. Legal move I think
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Post by lorr29 on Aug 23, 2011 17:30:08 GMT
It did look class though. Tis great really to have 2 backs scoring for you
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 23, 2011 19:29:17 GMT
A question in my head since the match regarding the Gooch's "unorthodox pick-up" which led to our first point in the 2nd half. Was it legal? If not, it should be because the amount of skill required to pull off something like that is extraordinary. But the Mayo back at the time had a look on his face as if he expected a foul to be called and some of the commentariat since have claimed that it should not have been allowed. Any rule-book afficionados out there who know the answer? Not sure... But considering the Sunday Game were praising it I would assume its not illegal
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Post by peanuts on Aug 23, 2011 19:35:19 GMT
A question in my head since the match regarding the Gooch's "unorthodox pick-up" which led to our first point in the 2nd half. Was it legal? If not, it should be because the amount of skill required to pull off something like that is extraordinary. But the Mayo back at the time had a look on his face as if he expected a foul to be called and some of the commentariat since have claimed that it should not have been allowed. Any rule-book afficionados out there who know the answer? It is illegal to pick the ball up OFF THE GROUND with with your knees or ankles, however in Gooch's case the ball was resting on his calves so it was technically off the ground. Legal move I think I think you're spot on cornerback.
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Post by veteran on Aug 23, 2011 20:04:36 GMT
I am pleased that Tomas, in an interview, emphasised how much of a team player Colm Cooper is. He is possibly a better team player than any of the other top of the range corner forwards we have had down the decades. It is on that basis that I have rejected all along this notion that he has been having a quiet year. Only people who use the list of scorers in a game as their sole criterion in evaluating a player's contribution would come to such a conclusion.
When Colm gets that ball into his hand something positive happens. One day it maybe a hatful of scores, another day it is the creation of scores, on a hellish day for the opposition it could be both. As Tomas said, the team player.
In the context of what I said it would be informative to surgically examine the video of one of his "quiet" games, this year's Munster final. Michaelmac is good at that and maybe, Mick, if you get a chance you might undertake that exercise.
I have not seen a video of Sunday's game yet but I was furious at an aspect of our game in the first fifteen or twenty minutes. It was clear that the high the ball into KD was not working. Why in the name of God did not our outfield players try to find Colm with a few deliveries? This is something a lot of us have repeatedly commented on in this forum. Too often in their frenzy to hit KD with the perfect/imperfect ball Colm is frustratingly forgotten about. The most notorious example of this was in the 2008 final. We bombarded KD and Tommy Walsh with high ones which the McMahon boys gleefully gobbled up while Colm was starved when it was clear that Conor Gormley could not cope with him the odd time the ball was played in their vicinity. This is something that happens over and over again and it continues to baffle me.
It was clear from an early stage that Declan was struggling yet, from what I could see, the obvious move of moving him to full forward was not made or if it was, it was for a very short time.
The most danger to Kerry was being posed by Andy Moran. He was being supplied with very good ball and winning most of it against Marc. Would it not have been wise to drop somebody back to offer cover to Marc in those circumstances?
I feel it is better to pose these questions in the flush of victory rather than in the aftermath of a defeat.
The Paul Galvin conundrum? The modern thinking seems to be that you should endeavour to enter the closing stages of a game with your strongest fifteen. I am old fashioned, a fact which will surprise few. I believe that you start with your best available fifteen. Therefore, on the evidence of what I have seen from Paul in his brief appearances this year and provided he maintains that form in training and provided he is injury free, then I would start him without hesitation. Incidentally, my information is that he was very likely to start last Sunday but was held back because of injury.Interestingly, that injury was not his hamstring, now healed, but rather a rib injury he picked up very recently.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 23, 2011 20:18:10 GMT
I think that it is worth bearing in mind that Mayo abandoned their sweeper system around the same time that Paul Galvin came on.
Kerry have perfected the art of releasing Darren like a catapult from 40 years. Darren has a bit to do to fine tune his finishing. His nearly took the head off the armagh keeper in the league and he did the same last sunday. He could have gone around the keeper with the second chance. He tends to take a solo or a hop too many which brings him a small bit too close...... you will always get away with about 6 steps in that situation.
Bryan Sheehan made some fantastic runs from deep to take a pass but the man in possession kicked a point in both situations.
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Post by mozzy on Aug 23, 2011 20:55:42 GMT
Pretty major earthquake hit the states today in Virginia in an area known as "Goochland" .... I believe it was an afterquake from Sunday...
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Post by lár na páirce on Aug 23, 2011 21:03:44 GMT
Am I the only one who thought that Maher completely outshone Sheehan? I agree Maher was brill Sunday looking forward to see how many possessions he had..Still think Sheehan is not convincing in the middle..
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Post by ballynamona on Aug 23, 2011 21:17:45 GMT
Am I the only one who thought that Maher completely outshone Sheehan? I agree Maher was brill Sunday looking forward to see how many possessions he had..Still think Sheehan is not convincing in the middle.. I thought Maher made some vital catches but the consensus seemed to be that he struggled. I feel the man is coming of age as a serious midfielder.
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Post by 63587614 on Aug 23, 2011 21:19:16 GMT
Guys jus wondering what happened with Enright on Sunday. Bohane came on before him. Has any got a chance of starting for final. How long has Bohane to wait to get starting role on team, also consider, T o' Se retiring and Bohane pushing 29 as his likely replacement.
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Post by clarinman on Aug 23, 2011 21:57:10 GMT
I have not seen a video of Sunday's game yet but I was furious at an aspect of our game in the first fifteen or twenty minutes. It was clear that the high the ball into KD was not working. Why in the name of God did not our outfield players try to find Colm with a few deliveries? This is something a lot of us have repeatedly commented on in this forum. Too often in their frenzy to hit KD with the perfect/imperfect ball Colm is frustratingly forgotten about. The most notorious example of this was in the 2008 final. We bombarded KD and Tommy Walsh with high ones which the McMahon boys gleefully gobbled up while Colm was starved when it was clear that Conor Gormley could not cope with him the odd time the ball was played in their vicinity. This is something that happens over and over again and it continues to baffle me. It was clear from an early stage that Declan was struggling yet, from what I could see, the obvious move of moving him to full forward was not made or if it was, it was for a very short time. The most danger to Kerry was being posed by Andy Moran. He was being supplied with very good ball and winning most of it against Marc. Would it not have been wise to drop somebody back to offer cover to Marc in those circumstances? Veteran, The reason the forwards didn't look for Gooch in the first 20 minutes is that he was not making the runs . Kerry seemed to go for route 1 ball to Star with Gooch hoping to feed off the knock downs. I'm guessing this was a management decision. Thankfully we corrected this halfway through the half and Gooch then started looking for the ball. You could see the leadership from Gooch as he went out to midfield during breaks in play to direct the half backs and midfielders into changing the ball in. As regards Declan It looked to me from the first 5 minutes that he was not fit. Was he carrying an injury? His man scoring 3 points from play is a serious issue - one of these could have been a goal. I'm not so sure that we need to drop a man back to cover Marc. This is replicating what Mayo did and will take from our forward line. I think the problem is that Marc plays full-back like the corner-back that he naturally is. He tends to play in front in anticipation of cutting out the low ball. Big problem when a few balls go in high like last sunday. Marc is an intelligent footballer and I'm sure this can be worked on over the next 4 weeks. If we do want to drop a player back then I think we need to look at picking Scanlon midfield rather than sacrificing a forward. He played this role well in 2009 when he dropped behind the centre back when we lost possession.
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