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Post by redonion on Jul 31, 2010 19:53:30 GMT
hi all just back home proud and happy down man. thought we where a year to early but maybe not, what annoyed us so much was the way critics and experts nearly broke down laughing when the draw was made but real fans like you all didnt.We ouplayed you and its was that simple. I had my hand shook by so many kerry people today and for that thank you .To see football played without that blanket defence is lovely . And isnt it funny we met 5 times and won all 5 but that how it goes . You county is a credit to the gaa but today was red and black An Dun Abu
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Post by mozzy on Jul 31, 2010 20:32:28 GMT
Congrats Redonion - you diserved your victory today. Excellent squad of players.
Perhaps I am too greedy and too selfish but I came away disappointed with that dreadful display today by so many players - it's one thing to try and play and give it everything you got... it's another to lack any form of interest. Where was Scanlon? Sullivan? - the young lads should be showing us what they can do for the future, now ... for they sure won't do it next time when the experience around them is gone.
It annoys me to think what this Australian game and the CCCC mafia have done to our County - God knows how good we might be if we didn't have so many outside influential elements against us.
Perhaps it's to early to be making comments about retirements yet but man we have some work to do ... where do the backs, half forwards, midfield come from in the next several years. I can only hope it is a not another bleak '86-97 period....
This does not take away from the great showing over the past several years. it just hints at the tough question on where do we get the next batch from and how soon?
As for this day, the best team won and some great players didn't show up to play.
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Post by ciarrai78 on Jul 31, 2010 20:48:45 GMT
And Gary McMahon's classic: ('says it all really)
You say tradition counts for naught when two teams take the field, I fear you are mistaken, lad, but the years will make you yield, And when your hair's as grey as mine, and time has made you old, Then you'll invoke the truth I spoke of the Kingdom's green and gold.
You cannot box or bottle it, nor grasp it in your hand, But pride of race and love of place inspire a love of land Time honoured is our birthright, we'll never break the mould, It's deep within the soul of us, who wear the green and gold.
Grey lakes and mountains soaring high, Mount Brandon's holy hill, The little church at Gallerus, our language living still, The Skellig Rock, stout football stock, they can't be bought or sold, For our county's fame, we play the game in the Kingdom's green and gold.
And when the battle's fiercest and the fortunes ebb and flow, We're still alive, we can survive, we never will let go, For the spirit of our fathers and of stories yet untold, Will lead us on to victory, in the Kingdom's green and gold.
We savour Kerry victories, we salute a gallant foe And when we lose, there's no excuse, we pick up our bags and go, So raise your glass each lad and lass to our warriors brave and bold, Who again aspire to the Sam Maguire in the Kingdom's green and gold.
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Post by mickthebridges on Jul 31, 2010 21:03:00 GMT
IM fierce Down and out after that lads.
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Post by diehard on Jul 31, 2010 21:05:28 GMT
Our Midfield was totally destroyed when Quirke went off. I think 5 different players played there today. Major problems here for the future me thinks. Scanlon really hasn't got going at all since last years AI final.
Half forward line non existent. Really didn't expect Declan O Sullivan to play so poor. Sheehan as we know blows hot and cold and today has two early wides from play set the tone for his own personal performance.
And finally missing the two lads through suspension when combined with the above made this an impossible task.
PS Gooch was fantastic total class.
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Post by redonion on Jul 31, 2010 21:29:13 GMT
hope you b shouting for us next match.Did say b4 our midfield had 2 engines and both played their hearts out 5 changes tell the truth.Dont b to hard on s quirkewe have been doing that to mid field all year exception of tryone.
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Post by dabomber on Jul 31, 2010 21:31:25 GMT
Everyone said all year not to worry about Tom O'Sullivan that he will come alive when he gets to croke park..... did anyone think to tell Tom this!!!!!!
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Post by ballynamona on Jul 31, 2010 21:32:08 GMT
Today was the end of an era I'm afraid. These guys have been great over the years and I was glad I was in Croker today, even if the era ended with something of a whimper.
I still think Kerry need to learn from today's game rather than just saying that it's the end of the line for some guys. Changes should have been made in the half-forwards earlier. I don't really think Darran O'Sullivan is suited to starting on the wing, and I feel Barry John Keane should have come on much earlier. We went into this game knowing that we didn't have one midfielder that was going to be relied upon to do the business for 70 minutes. People can criticise Quirke all they like but for my money he deserved his chance to start; neither David Moran or Maher really took the chances that came their way earlier this year.
Before Darragh midfield was a serious problem. Darragh was a general, and he had able lieutentants over the years in Kirby, Daly, Griffin and Scanlon. I've great time for Scanlon (a man who was ignored by Jack in his first term) but he hasn't been himself this year, and maybe the move to General doesn't suit him.
Tom Humphries recently wrote that in Kerry there is no such thing as a transition period: there are years Kerry win the All-Ireland and years in between. These are known as bad years. The insatiable demand for success is part of what gives Kerry the winning mentality on the big day, and that's a great thing. But the fact is that the Kerry defense grew old together, and the (welcome) return of Mike McCarthy last year showed that new defenders just weren't coming through. Now we are faced with the fact that 4 of the current 1st choice defense may retire together.
I hope the great Kerry public show some patience with the guys who come in to replace some of the all-time greats of Kerry football.
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Post by martym on Jul 31, 2010 21:43:28 GMT
very true we dont do transition very well .
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Post by conor52 on Jul 31, 2010 21:54:53 GMT
Well done to Down. Fully deserved their win, showed great hunger and workrate and some great scoretaking.
Kerry looked heavy legged all through and really didn't need to be 6 points down so early on. It was always an uphill battle from there. Midfield struggled to supply any good ball to the forwards. even when we did win ball in midfield it always was passed back and delivery was slow. Darragh and Paul were biggest losses in that respect. I feel scanlon must be carrying an injury, he is a pale shadow of the man that won an all-star last year.
Forwards apart from gooch didn't make an impact. Declan seemed to get an ankle injury early on and really didn't get into stride. Darran really needs a dry sod, he was slipping an sliding all day.
At the back Tom didn't have good day and aidan or killian never really got forward. we badly missed tomas' inspirational runs.
As for the future, I think we need to show faith in some of the younger players and persist with them. Moran, reidy, buckley, keane etc. there is such an expectation to win that fellas seems to get axed after just 1 or 2 bad performances. I remember that Tomas had a few terrible days when he broke on to the team first. Also Marc didn't exactly set the world alight in the early days.
Anyway these guys owe us nothing and anyone who decides to call it a day, i wish them well.
An Ríocht Abu
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2010 23:23:35 GMT
"Its the qualifiers stupid"
This time tomorrow, we may have no provincial champs left.
This day last year Kerry came off the qualifiers and demolished Dublin.
Look at Dublin now after the qualifiers.
Congrats to Down.
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Post by Other_KYFan_in_Dublin on Jul 31, 2010 23:34:35 GMT
What if.......... Sheehan brought his shooting boots, could have been motm wit 5 pts in first 15 mins Killian's goal was allowed to stand Donnacha wasn't sent off Star's first effort hadn't been saved I was from any other county and had to endure this torture every year!!! Well done to Down, a hungrier and more clinical team today. Beidh lá eile againn
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Post by falveyb2k on Aug 1, 2010 0:44:32 GMT
Firstly commiserations to the lads, they have given us everything and we can ask no more.Also well done to an excellent Down team on their win. But what's sad is all the hard work that has been done by this Kerry team over the year was undermined by officialdom. Galvin wrongly sent off in the league so following suspension doubled. Galvin suspended while Cavan full back, Derek Cavanagh, Aisake(headbutt), O Hara, Kelly(even worse he was allowed play last week while Tomas was suspended today). And then today... Killian Young's goal was unbelievably disallowed, why, why, why, there was a clear striking action so why did he blow? Also the Down no. 5 continually targeted Donnacha Walsh off the ball(don't get me wrong, Down were very fair and sporting bar him). In the second half Donnacha was dragged to the ground and wrestled and held while being struck. The linesman actually walked in closer to watch and said nothing to the players!!!! At the next break in play the ref came over(by the way why a Cavan ref with Down involved?), talked to the linesman and booked both players. Again why, what did the linesman say because if he reported what he saw Donnacha could not have got his first yellow? Let me be clear, the better team won(and in fairness Donaghy should have seen red) and I don't think these decisions wouldn't have changed the result but these players deserve fair play like every other player that takes the field but not for the first time this year they were denied that. Bad reffing/umpiring(Leinster final is ultimate example) is killing the game along with one eyed views on discipline by the CCC. But that's for another day, today is a day to thank our management and players for all their hard work and the wonderful memories they have given us. Maybe we'll have to change a few things but we've been very good at this for the last 15 years and I've no doubt we can do it again, Ciarrai abu!
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Post by kerrysir on Aug 1, 2010 0:51:44 GMT
First of all just well done 2 d boys, they've given us years of entertainment and enjoyment and great days out, however i see 2day as being the end of the good times. There are hard times ahead, realistically we will be looking for about 5 new backs to bring into the panel as i would expect tom sullivan, tommy griffin, mike mac and mayb tomas se to hang up dere boots now.
To b honest i thought we would win 2day but i didnt expect us 2 win the all ireland. Watching the game 2day it hit me how much of a loss darragh is, seamus scanlon or micheal quirke wudnt lace the mans boots. I have said it for years that darragh was carrying scanlon. I hope and pray that jacko stays on coz dere isnt any sign of a half decent manager around the county. God forbid, knowing the county board theyd give john kennedy the job, we'd b well f**ked then!!
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Post by ogieog on Aug 1, 2010 1:05:15 GMT
Commiserations to you lot. Strange how things pan out. Last year, Kerry were looking like bowing out to Sligo in Tralee, but went on to come into some fabulous form. True, people can point to "what ifs" today but over the course of a decade you have days like this where the goal doesn't go in to get you back into it. I think if Kerryfans ask themselves deep down though, they would say that this years side probably would have been caught somewhere along the line. Players have left, and those that have come in are nowhere near the standards of the ones they're replacing, while many of those who stayed on were losing a yard of pace and sharpness.
From a kerry perspective today you were looking for certain players, in particular someone of the calibre of Declan O'Sullivan, to stand up and show some leadership with Galvin and Ó Sé gone and it just didn't happen. Galvin wasn't there winning the ball and Tomás Ó Sé wasn't bombing forward kicking a moral boosting point and nobody picked up the manth (bar perhaps Cooper, but it's hard for someone to grab a game by the scruff of the neck from corner forward). Bringing Donaghy out was fruitless enough as to be totally honest he isn't nearly as good a midfielder as a full forward. In general though Down were just getting the legs/hands in there first right through the game and you could just always sense it was going the way it did.
Down look a good side too it must be said, and Coulter can really be a treat to watch when let loose. An AI final is certainly a probability for them.
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Post by bicycle on Aug 1, 2010 2:36:38 GMT
I was sitting beside two down supporters today and they marvelled at the quality of colm cooper, just as i was impressed with martin clarke. They saw cooper turn swerve dummy opponents and kick with great accuracy.he has been at the top of his game for 8 years and he is still relatively young. He showed great leadership and always made the hard runs to gain possession.We expect so much from him everytime and he rarely if ever lets us down. he kicked 7 out of a total of 1-10 today.he is a magician of a player and worth the admission fee alone.congratulations to down on a well merited win.today has blown the championship door wide open and come september our near neighbours will be basking in all ireland glory.
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Post by mozzy on Aug 1, 2010 6:36:45 GMT
I wonder if Jack will stay , and I hope he does. But if not , how about Micko retiring, finally, with this team with Pony Moynihan as his understudy.... as any Kerry fan might do, I am thinking about the future and hoping team and management react in a positive manner in a day that did not go our way.
Can you imagine Micko, one last time with a Kerry team in Croke Park..... ah this the stuff legends and dreams are made of.
and if only Cooper had a team today that actually played.... this a year he was playing, perhaps his best in a few, and he diserved better all around. Sin Go Bhfuil....
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Post by seamus on Aug 1, 2010 7:18:22 GMT
Declan rolled his ankle badly in the first 5 minutes. I am sure if we had more options he would have been taken off as he was unable to move freely.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 1, 2010 8:09:39 GMT
Just watched kerry's disallowed goal on the rte site link. An appalling inept piece of refereering. The curse of incompetent officials remains amongst us. A seminal moment and decision, it would have put kerry one up with Downs scoring ratio having dropped below radar.
The stats read that only two kerry players were tried by TV and sentenced by the CCCC this summer. It's a pity that TSG played a role in pushing this great kerry team of the stage, eventually time be will called on all great champions. It would have been nice if kerry could have gone out with the dignity of defending champions beaten by a better fresher younger and deserving Down team on the day.
The over riding feeling of the summer is that there was an anti kerry vibe around the place that could not wait to see the back of them quickly enough. A distasteful stench emits from TSG studio.
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Post by anlaoch on Aug 1, 2010 8:30:25 GMT
Think we've been papering over the cracks for a while now, and yesterday we just ran out of paper.Yes the little things went against us, but you can't argue with a 6 point defeat. It's been a tremendous journey with this team, and an absolute honour to have witnessed so many moments of sheer genius, class and skill in pitches around the country.I look forward with just as much excitement and pride as I always have in the green and gold.I look forward to travelling the bumpy,dark,windy roads of Ireland,on wet or sunny days; to sitting on cold benches on a frosty February night, all to see who'll carry the torch.All in preparation for the next great generation of players. Thank you lads for a magnificent journey. Ciarraí Abú
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 1, 2010 9:16:04 GMT
Well said an laoch.
The movement of the Down players was fantastic yesterday, the clever, angled, low ball into the forwards and the support for the player in possession was excellent. They took some fantastic scores and they really exposed our creaking defence. You could only admire the brand of football they played.
I thought our poor start was down to rustiness, we slowly began to get back into it after our own mistakes put us 1-2 to no score down after 5 mins. However, after a beautiful flowing Kerry move that ended with a miss by Sheehan, I had a feling that the game was up. The Gooch was outstanding yesterday but very few others matched his quality.
We might have gotten away without Paul but a Kerry team without Tomas is really going to struggle. Against Limerick and Cork, Tomas really took the game by the scruff of the neck when we were in trouble. Kerry were awful yesterday, they know that themselves. Nothing went right, basic mistakes, handling errors, being completely wiped out in the middle third all lead to our downfall. Declan had his poorest game in a Kerry shirt for many years, he slipped over on the hogan side of the pitch early in the game and that may have affected his mobility.
Our substitutions didn't solve our problems either, some of the balls given to Barry John by young Moran were terrible and he just couldn't get into the game. I have a feeling that we could be down for a while to come. Our best young footballer is in Australia, how we missed his physique and ball winning ability yesterday! How we missed Darragh's leadership, Tomas's sallies up the field to insipre those around him, how we missed Galvin's ability to win those breaks. How we will miss Croke Park in late August and September! No better place to be.
It was great to see so many Kerry fans wait till the final whistle to applaude their team off the pitch and shake hands and wish Down the best of luck. It has been an amazing decade, what a bunch of players, we have witnessed a truly exceptional era in Kerry football. Ni bheidh a leitheidi aris ann!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2010 10:26:31 GMT
After 20 minutes the stats showed that Kerry had 62% of the possession but were 4 points behind ......... 1.03 to 2 points.
By that stage Quirke had gifted 1.02 to Down. Sheehan had missed two kickable points from play plus a 45.
Then Kerry had a goal disallowed.
Quirke should NEVER have started.
He is ideal with 20 to go.
After 25 minutes, a more realistic score should have been Kerry 1.05 Down 2 points.
What a different game we would have had then.
Gooch would have demolished Down is he had been given any service.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2010 10:39:07 GMT
Quirke was the best of our 5 midfielders yesterday. I would look at the other 4 first all of whom have reputations that far outweight their ability at midfield.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 1, 2010 11:04:31 GMT
Firstly, congrats to Down. They came to Croker with a job to do and no fear of Kerry. They were far and away the better team on the day. An exciting fresh young team who will go far and are the best hope to break the Tyrone stranglehold in Ulster.
Secondly, the Kerry team should know how proud all true Kerry supporters are of what they have achieved over the years. We have had many great days during the past decade but sadly yesterday was not to be one of them. But what of it, especially to those who are now prematurely talking about the end of an era? It may be the end of an era but alternatively it can be seen as just one game and that, I respectfully submit, is the proper Kerry attitude.
Wit the benefit of hindsight, yesterday's result could be seen as coming. We were at our most vulnerable combing the loss of Paul and Tomás with the wastage of retirement and emigration. And then there was Down - our bogey team. It really was the perfect storm. I have seen some posts here that says history counts for nothing (often curiously juxtaposed with Gary McMahon's Green and Gold). Sorry lads, but history does count for something. Do you not think that as well as their skill and ability there was something extra about the Down team because of their record against us? something that contributed to their fearlessness and confidence. And for us there was something similar that held us back a bit and added to all our other woes. It clearly did not make the vital difference but it was there and it counted.
On a lighter note: When I got home from the match last night I had to go to the cinema to clear the head of the memories. I went to see Inception and afterwards I said: "I had a terrible dream. I went to Croke Park for the quarter final and Kerry were beaten by Down!". ;D
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 1, 2010 11:09:38 GMT
Savage performance by An Dun.
There can be no excuses. Kerry's goal was not a goal: the defenders stopped. Down had a perfectly good goal disallowed also lest we forget.
Personally I felt Galvin and Tomas were serious victims this year. I think there was serious shisting going on. However, we say Kerry were poor if x, y, z: where's the credit for Down. They were awesome today. Felt really happy for Coulter. Two of his points were out of the top drawer.
Gooch showed again that if the gun were put to our head and we must declare the King, the King his he. Simply sensational.
I hope I'm right in disagreeing with the naysayers. I don't see this Kerry team being finished. They are old indeed but of course there are players in the county. Yesterday was another exhibition of the peculiar mental frailty of the Kerry team a la Meath 2001 and Tyrone.
Bla bla bla it goes on. At least now the club competitions may run smooth, and for the first year in I don't know how long the West Kerry Championship may be annexed before the Social!! I look forward to West Kerry continuing to evolve into the great side they simply must be. I look forward to seeing some of the greats come to Annascaul to play some caid and most of all I look forward to the next All-Ireland.
ANNASCAUL ABU, CIARRAI THIAR ABU AGUS AN RIOCHT GO DEO.
1-30: the real deal and genuine legends.
Best AI in years.
The only shame about Galvin is that we have been denied the full extent of his excellence.
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Post by glengael on Aug 1, 2010 11:34:44 GMT
This day was coming in some shape or form for a while. It is difficult to lose 6 players of that quality from a starting 15 in Sept one year and then expect all to be well the following summer. The fault lines were there. As laoch says in his wonderful image, we just ran out of paper. I had a bad feeling after 15 mins, sometimes you just feel the day is not going to go with you and so it proved.
Down are a good football team . So good to see a team going out and actually trying to play positively. They will reach the Final at the very least I expect.
For some of our great players, it will be the end of the line. But there are a good few who despite their years of excellence , still have something to contribute . They can be the leaders for the next generation.
I think the existence of the qualifiers will ensure that we do not have the 11 year break that we had before. It is no longer 1 loss and you are gone till next year so there will be room to manoevre next year. Does anyone know if Jack and the management team have another year ? I think it is vital that we have some continuity and develop a new team for the next few years.
Small things. Things I don't expect TSG to bother with. At the end of the match, I noticed Mike Mc walking half the length of the field to shake hands with and acknowledge Joe McQuillan and his officials as they walked off at the Canal End. Mike looked like a man who was completing the formalities, taking his leave of a place that he has graced with such distinction over the past decade. It was an image of a gentleman that will stay with me for a long, long time.
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Post by twotubes on Aug 1, 2010 11:44:22 GMT
Kerry looked jaded and off the pace and intensity required. We scored 3 points from play. I think the pounding the team took from officialdom was their downfall. The loss of P.G and T.O.S. was vital.
J.O. Connor summed it all up very well in post match interview.
Disallowed goal came at critical time, 1st yellow to D.W harsh in the extreme, slow start etc, etc.
This team has given so much enjoyment for so long it is such an injustice that they were treated so shamefully by CC CC.
Congrats to Down who grabbed the chance with open arms.
Kerry players, heads up, be proud of your achievements, you owe us nothing.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2010 12:09:58 GMT
Last year there was a thread asking people to name their favourite player.
Mine was Micheal Quirke. Still is.
Few else would have stuck at it for so long in all weathers.
He gives his all. Thats all anyone can ask of him.
If there was a thread asking Subs who made the greatest impact"....... Miceal would get my vote......just ahead of Sean Walsh.
I just want to clarify this in case people think I am being unfair to Micheal.
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Post by ciarrai78 on Aug 1, 2010 12:44:42 GMT
I have been trying to reconcile yesterday's performance with what we all know these players are capable of. It's true that all good things come to an end and that time inevitably catches up with everyone. This panel of players is undoubtedly one of the greatest to ever represent the county given their success and longevity in the most competitive period in football history, and should not self combust like yesterday.
We peaked against Cork (twice) and admitted that we trained hard through the Limerick game. We were "stuck to the ground" yesterday and I wonder if we maintained a heavy training regime and gambled on being able to get over Down.
Any views?
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 1, 2010 13:26:38 GMT
The Platinum Years come to an end. Some team.
Ciarrai Abu.
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