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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 24, 2009 21:12:35 GMT
Big Joe, renaissance man.
If Kerry lose to Meath it will make a mockery of the whole championship. It's 1986 deja vue all over again. Will be a good game but Kerry will not let Cork have an easy All-I
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Post by veteran on Aug 24, 2009 21:57:22 GMT
Haryeggsnbaken,
You asked me to suggest a team for Sunday. At the outset, I am assuming that KD will not be fit. The next point I would make is that of all the matches we have played this year the actual line out on Sunday is of secondary importance to the attitude of the players .
The likelihood is that Kerry are going to be overwhelming favourites and no matter how much management guard against complacency it will be difficult to prevent a seeping through. The slightest tinge of that commodity against a traditionally resilient and competitive county like Meath, not to mention their football nous, could up scuttle us. If I could be convinced that Kerry will approach this match with the same mentality that they approached Dublin, then I feel we can win.
Therefore as I said, attitude is going to be more important than the actual personnel. The one possible change in position would be to play Tommy Walsh in the full forward line. It would appear that Mayo perceived that the Meath full back line were suspect under the high ball but were not able to exploit it. I too feel that they are vulnerable there and few high ones into Tommy might unhinge them. It goes without saying that this gambit should not be adhered to slavishly.
The one other aspect of next Sunday's game that bothers me is our free taking. This was not an issue against Dublin for obvious reasons. Meath have a top of the range practitioner here in Cian Ward. Indeed , he is not a man who contributes a whole pile from play. I would go further and say he resembles Byran Sheehan in a lot of ways. Now, I am not necessarily making a case for Bryan but I am making a case for an all round free taker or at least one who would would complement Colm. Doncha O'Connor missed a few yesterday. On another day they could have been very costly. In contrast, Eanna was supreme with difficult frees in the minor match while making no contribution from general play. It is a conundrum but I am on the side of banking your frees at all costs.
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Post by chrism on Aug 24, 2009 22:27:38 GMT
As time goes on the Donaghy situation is a bit of worry. The reality is that his training has being very limited since last April. Enda Mcginley was only out for about 2 months and he was way off the pace. Anthony Lynch was good enough for Cork . Think he has been out for about 2 months as well .
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Post by kerryscoob on Aug 24, 2009 22:34:28 GMT
Haryeggsnbaken, You asked me to suggest a team for Sunday. At the outset, I am assuming that KD will not be fit. The next point I would make is that of all the matches we have played this year the actual line out on Sunday is of secondary importance to the attitude of the players . The likelihood is that Kerry are going to be overwhelming favourites and no matter how much management guard against complacency it will be difficult to prevent a seeping through. The slightest tinge of that commodity against a traditionally resilient and competitive county like Meath, not to mention their football nous, could up scuttle us. If I could be convinced that Kerry will approach this match with the same mentality that they approached Dublin, then I feel we can win. Therefore as I said, attitude is going to be more important than the actual personnel. The one possible change in position would be to play Tommy Walsh in the full forward line. It would appear that Mayo perceived that the Meath full back line were suspect under the high ball but were not able to exploit it. I too feel that they are vulnerable there and few high ones into Tommy might unhinge them. It goes without saying that this gambit should not be adhered to slavishly. The one other aspect of next Sunday's game that bothers me is our free taking. This was not an issue against Dublin for obvious reasons. Meath have a top of the range practitioner here in Cian Ward. Indeed , he is not a man who contributes a whole pile from play. I would go further and say he resembles Byran Sheehan in a lot of ways. Now, I am not necessarily making a case for Bryan but I am making a case for an all round free taker or at least one who would would complement Colm. Doncha O'Connor missed a few yesterday. On another day they could have been very costly. In contrast, Eanna was supreme with difficult frees in the minor match while making no contribution from general play. It is a conundrum but I am on the side of banking your frees at all costs. Veteran I don't think Meath having a good free taker should be of any consequence to us once we ensure we don't give away kickable frees but yes if Meath have done their home work they will be will aware of a possible weakness and may deliberately foul out around the 45/50 knowing scores may not be easy to come by. If we listen to JOC he made a point before the Dublin game that frees come into the equation only in the last 15 mins or so. But I'm a bit like yourself feeling uneasy at the possibility of not kicking scoreable frees, miss a few and the pressure builds. |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 24, 2009 22:42:00 GMT
Donnacha o Connor could have put Cork out of sight a lot earlier if he had kicked the frees
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2009 22:56:08 GMT
I have spent the past hour watching the video of the Meath v Mayo game. I didnt realise until now just how effective Joe Sheridan was. He got 4 points from play. He gave the footpass for the first goal for Bray. He set Bray up for the lead point towards the end. He won an amount of breaking ball at midfield. He wore 11 but was all over the place. He is the most unnatural footballer I have seen in a long time but he is very effective. Meath had scored 9 points by the 52nd minute. They tacked on 5 or 6 playing great football. Yet the lineball decision and the penalty turned the game in their favour. Their half backs were good but their full back line struggled against the physically stronger Mayo full forward line. Kerry bombarded Mayo in the 2006 final from the air in the first 20 minutes. A similar ploy for the first 10 minutes might well be worth considering against Meath.................. Now we know who the video analyst for the Kerry team is  I agree he was immense. The Meath fowards in general are ball winners and well able to take their scores. I won;t be easy as they're dogged as aleady pointed out. But surely, thinking about it logically, man for man there can only be one outcome. |
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Post by JOAN on Aug 25, 2009 1:38:58 GMT
be a hard game no doubt.. but kerry will beat them.. they have their eye on the prize now!!
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 25, 2009 6:30:11 GMT
I have spent the past hour watching the video of the Meath v Mayo game. I didnt realise until now just how effective Joe Sheridan was. He got 4 points from play. He gave the footpass for the first goal for Bray. He set Bray up for the lead point towards the end. He won an amount of breaking ball at midfield. He wore 11 but was all over the place. He is the most unnatural footballer I have seen in a long time but he is very effective. Meath had scored 9 points by the 52nd minute. They tacked on 5 or 6 playing great football. Yet the lineball decision and the penalty turned the game in their favour. Their half backs were good but their full back line struggled against the physically stronger Mayo full forward line. Kerry bombarded Mayo in the 2006 final from the air in the first 20 minutes. A similar ploy for the first 10 minutes might well be worth considering against Meath.................. Mike McCarthy on Joe Sheridan MickMack? Mark him when you need to, but he doesn't track back after you, and Mike going forward has been devastating for Kerry...... |
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 25, 2009 6:31:54 GMT
Flemish, you're famous. Just spotted on Seamus Moynihan's blog on ireland.com, which by the way is much more in the Seamus style since the Dublin game.
Felmishgael – 2001 game of Kerry vs Meath will have no relevance on the 30th August, all those dinosaurs bar a few are long gone. This is a new ball game with new gladiators involved.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Aug 25, 2009 8:30:31 GMT
I spotted the same thing.
I was just wondering how he experienced that game as a player.
Of course a lot of the Kerry team and most of the Meath team that played that day won't be playing on Sunday and the game will be a completely different one but I was wondering how he remembers that day.
I agree that Seamus' blog has improved as of late.
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 25, 2009 11:25:57 GMT
When are tickets on sale? This evening at the County Board is it?
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Aug 25, 2009 13:40:18 GMT
Maybe it's just me but the only tickets i can purchase on ticketmaster are Davin and Hill 16. Can't seem to get Cusack or Hogan.
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Post by maineview on Aug 25, 2009 14:14:43 GMT
Does anyone think that Tommy Walsh will start on sunday or will Tadhg have his place, only speculating that the rest of the team will remain the same, barring anyone injuries god forbid, or anymore injuries if AOM story is true  |
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Post by lorr29 on Aug 25, 2009 14:27:42 GMT
I know I am stating the obvious here before anyone responds but my gut feeling is, in terms of team selection, that Jack and Co. will pick the 'on form' players from training. That is a major part their job essentially. When you consider how unpredicatble Kerry have been in the actual championship to date I kinda think it would be naieve to stick with the same team based one breathtaking performance... I know they were amazing but who knows what a performance like that individually and collectively will have done to the team, in terms of cpmpetition for places..
Surely they will be thinking tactics, trying things out in training and taking it from there. Jack mentioned in the post match interview that there was fierce competition for places, within the panel itself and I think, hope, and pray that will be the driving force in terms of hunger and raising the bar performance wise. I imagine this will be a large part of what shapes the decision in terms of the named team... I wholeheartedly agree with veteran though in terms of the need for a recognised free taker...vital.. When is the team named???
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Post by peig on Aug 25, 2009 17:35:18 GMT
I know I am stating the obvious here before anyone responds but my gut feeling is, in terms of team selection, that Jack and Co. will pick the 'on form' players from training. That is a major part their job essentially. When you consider how unpredicatble Kerry have been in the actual championship to date I kinda think it would be naieve to stick with the same team based one breathtaking performance... I know they were amazing but who knows what a performance like that individually and collectively will have done to the team, in terms of cpmpetition for places.. Surely they will be thinking tactics, trying things out in training and taking it from there. Jack mentioned in the post match interview that there was fierce competition for places, within the panel itself and I think, hope, and pray that will be the driving force in terms of hunger and raising the bar performance wise. I imagine this will be a large part of what shapes the decision in terms of the named team... I wholeheartedly agree with veteran though in terms of the need for a recognised free taker...vital.. When is the team named??? While I agree with you to a certain extent regarding choosing 'on form' players from training, lorr, I reckon that player experience, especially in the run up to such big games also plays a factor. Players need to have a cool head and shoulders on the big stage. I reckon all of our current main-stay players have just that . They've all been here before. They know the show. They won't take to the field like rabbits caught in the headlights. I'm still at a crossroads as regards the free-taker débacle. Before the Dublin game I stressed how vital it was to carry one. And although this Meath team isn't as "physical" as previous outfits, chances are we'll draw the fouls inside the 45. But, Christ, who do you sacrifice? It's a tough one. |
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 25, 2009 20:19:13 GMT
Peig wrote
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I can tell you that Meath remain as well versed in the dark arts as they have always been. It is just more of a case now days of when needs must. People sometimes refer to Northern cynicism in football as if they invented it but the North received the template from Meath more than any other county, in my opinion. In their last game against Mayo, they were physically stronger and were able to horse Mayo out of it legally and win the fight for possession. It was a game in which they didn’t need to step over the line.
However to paraphrase a well known politician ‘They haven’t gone away you know.’
Against Limerick it was a different story and I thought they were very cynical and way over the line in many of their more robust challenges. I lost count of the number of times they swung arms around their opponents’ necks. They were fortunate just to have one man see red that evening.
I believe Meath are the ultimate pragmatists – they know well if the play pure football with this Kerry side they will be crucified. They will look to close the game down and keep it tight. They will be thinking of Monaghan’s recent efforts as the way to go. Meath are probably thinking that if they can close the game down and turn it into a dogfight like Monaghan did against Kerry in recent times they have the players that can go one better and get a result.
I also believe it is quite possible that some of our players such as Paul Galvin will come in for special attention and they will try and upset Kerry players physically. I am fully expecting a Meath team given the referee that is involved to play the percentages with Kerry especially if we go into a game without a recognised free taker. Meath will come with a game plan and it will involve huge physicality. Expect a war of attrition.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 25, 2009 20:21:49 GMT
I have spent the past hour watching the video of the Meath v Mayo game. I didnt realise until now just how effective Joe Sheridan was. He got 4 points from play. He gave the footpass for the first goal for Bray. He set Bray up for the lead point towards the end. He won an amount of breaking ball at midfield. He wore 11 but was all over the place. He is the most unnatural footballer I have seen in a long time but he is very effective. Meath had scored 9 points by the 52nd minute. They tacked on 5 or 6 playing great football. Yet the lineball decision and the penalty turned the game in their favour. Their half backs were good but their full back line struggled against the physically stronger Mayo full forward line. Kerry bombarded Mayo in the 2006 final from the air in the first 20 minutes. A similar ploy for the first 10 minutes might well be worth considering against Meath.................. Mike McCarthy on Joe Sheridan MickMack? Mark him when you need to, but he doesn't track back after you, and Mike going forward has been devastating for Kerry...... hard to know what effect the return of Stephen Bray will have on how Meath play in the forward line. If Mayo had curbed Big Joe, they would have prevailed. Brian Farrell did not play well against Mayo. If Farrell finds form and Sheridans vein of good form continues.....and Stephen Bray is back, then there is plenty of scoring power in Meath. However, there was plenty of scoring power in Dublin too but they were starved of possesion. So..... its back to the engine room in the middle third ............as it always is. |
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 25, 2009 20:32:14 GMT
Peig wrote Peig I can tell you that Meath remain as well versed in the dark arts as they have always been. It is just more of a case now days of when needs must. People sometimes refer to Northern cynicism in football as if they invented it but the North received the template from Meath more than any other county, in my opinion. In their last game against Mayo, they were physically stronger and were able to horse Mayo out of it legally and win the fight for possession. It was a game in which they didn’t need to step over the line. However to paraphrase a well known politician ‘They haven’t gone away you know.’ Against Limerick it was a different story and I thought they were very cynical and way over the line in many of their more robust challenges. I lost count of the number of times they swung arms around their opponents’ necks. They were fortunate just to have one man see red that evening. I believe Meath are the ultimate pragmatists – they know well if the play pure football with this Kerry side they will be crucified. They will look to close the game down and keep it tight. They will be thinking of Monaghan’s recent efforts as the way to go. Meath are probably thinking that if they can close the game down and turn it into a dogfight like Monaghan did against Kerry in recent times they have the players that can go one better and get a result. I also believe it is quite possible that some of our players such as Paul Galvin will come in for special attention and they will try and upset Kerry players physically. I am fully expecting a Meath team given the referee that is involved to play the percentages with Kerry especially if we go into a game without a recognised free taker. Meath will come with a game plan and it will involve huge physicality. Expect a war of attrition. Excellent post bigbrother, you echo my sentiments. From talking to people at home over the past few days, many people feel that Kerry will swat meath away rather easily. I fear not, I can't see this being a comfortable one for Kerry. We will be in for a torrid afternoon, frustrating also. Meath will pile bodies behind the ball and try and catch us on the break. Kerry should beat Meath, Meath could beat Kerry. |
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Post by JOAN on Aug 25, 2009 20:41:14 GMT
I would think jack will start the same team vs dub with the exception on tommy for tadgh.. cant see anything being changes
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 25, 2009 20:49:10 GMT
When is the team been named....
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 25, 2009 23:55:52 GMT
Elbows and fists spring to mind when thinking of Meath football.
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 26, 2009 8:03:44 GMT
Poxy ham and cucumber sandwiches at half time in Croke Park, fighting the onset of hangover and the urge to the leave the ground. Thats what comes to my mind as regards Meath...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2009 8:04:19 GMT
After listening to Anthony Moyles last night on the radio it does sound like Meath are ready to turn this into a dogfight. They saw what happened to Dublin and don't intend to make the same mistake. Expect some treatment early on.
We better be ready.
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 26, 2009 8:20:22 GMT
I think we're battle hardened enough now to deal with that. We'll give it back in spades.
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Post by tottenham on Aug 26, 2009 8:24:45 GMT
This may have been brought up before but what colours will both teams be wearing the weekend...am heading up so wanna know what jersey to bring...
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 26, 2009 8:56:52 GMT
This may have been brought up before but what colours will both teams be wearing the weekend...am heading up so wanna know what jersey to bring... Theyve had training sessions in the blue jersey. |
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Post by buck02 on Aug 26, 2009 9:12:26 GMT
The main worry I have about this is that the players do not approach it in the same way as they went into the Dublin game. I hope there hasnt been a slipping of standards at training since that game. If Kerry are not fully tuned into things, it will lead to trouble. That, and the man with the whistle, are the two main obstacles to Kerry making it 6 finals in a row.
Meath are an average team in my opinion. A sprinkling of decent footballers at various parts of the pitch but still an average team. They will probably bring back an extra defender to try congest the area in front of our full forward line, so perhaps Tommy Walsh may start inside for this game with Declan and Tomas running at the Meath backs if we have an extra man in the middle third.
It should be a good test for the backs (dare I say it; ahead of the final), as the Meath forwards will fight and scrap for every ball and not let the Kerry backs play their way out of defence.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 26, 2009 9:14:39 GMT
The main worry I have about this is that the players do not approach it in the same way as they went into the Dublin game. I hope there hasnt been a slipping of standards at training since that game. If Kerry are not fully tuned into things, it will lead to trouble. That, and the man with the whistle, are the two main obstacles to Kerry making it 6 finals in a row. Meath are an average team in my opinion. A sprinkling of decent footballers at various parts of the pitch but still an average team. They will probably bring back an extra defender to try congest the area in front of our full forward line, so perhaps Tommy Walsh may start inside for this game with Declan and Tomas running at the Meath backs if we have an extra man in the middle third. It should be a good test for the backs (dare I say it; ahead of the final), as the Meath forwards will fight and scrap for every ball and not let the Kerry backs play their way out of defence. Spot on........and our discipline will need to be at a certain level of Sainthood the next day.......but honestly, if Kerry show up with a performance half way between Antrm and Dublin, we will win by 4 points or so. |
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Post by Pablo on Aug 26, 2009 9:26:56 GMT
Big Brother, that was a good post. That comparision with Monaghan certainly re-focused my mind with regard to the Meath game, I had been a small bit confident coming into this game....not any more, I think you might be right about Meath using the Monaghan (formerly Meath) template for this match, a dogfight, heavy tackles etc.
Saying that, Kerry dealt with Monaghan and their tactics (which included rotating fouling players to spread out the cards). So please God we will be able to deal with Meath on Sunday regardless of their game plan.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 26, 2009 9:29:54 GMT
Meath will probably pull kerrys guts out on Sunday at some stage during this game.That might not be a bad thing either.
Kerry will have to be on the button on Sunday in terms of self control and restrain.
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