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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2009 19:16:12 GMT
Complete and utter garbage. I don't know where to start so I am not going to bother.
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Post by Exiled2Dublin on Sept 2, 2009 19:24:51 GMT
Kevin is in a bad place, don't you know :-)
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Post by fritz on Sept 2, 2009 19:55:20 GMT
You would struggle to cover a postage stamp with McStay's knowledge of football.
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Post by sambo on Sept 2, 2009 20:27:22 GMT
Its a silly debate (team of decade) but it is hard to argue with some of what he says though. Thats why I would have prefered to have met Tyrone in the final. Sadly we may never get the chance to get that monkey off our back.
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Post by the1theyalllove on Sept 2, 2009 20:54:25 GMT
Kevin is in a bad place, don't you know :-) Spillane will some milage out of that quote - he used it twice in the space of 10 mins on sunday - classic ;D
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 2, 2009 21:07:09 GMT
We might have gotten to meet them more often if they hadnt lost to Laois and Mayo and Meath. I dont see that dim-wit mentioning them statistics.
I think some Kerryman must have pissed in his Bovril on Sunday.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 2, 2009 21:44:55 GMT
Team of Noughties is Tyrone, end of story By Kevin McStay Wednesday September 02 2009 THE great football debate concerning which side can be considered the 'Team of the Decade' has abated. Consider Tyrone's efforts: Played 3, Won 3, a 100 per cent record when they make it to final day. And Kerry are the greatest Hurling team ever with a 100% record in AI finals!
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 2, 2009 23:19:30 GMT
Kevin McStay is in a sad place! ;D
Even leaving aside the article written in the Evening Herald, one does not have to be over-sensitive to pick up on the snide remarks in recent times from McStay in his role as TV co-commentator in matches involving Kerry. In the Dublin V Kerry match no viewer was in any doubt as to who McStay wanted to see win. While Kevin was expecting Dublin to ‘start breathing’ I was expecting Kevin to stop breathing such was his distress as the nightmare scenario from his perspective unfolded before him. Were those Mayo men hiding in Dublin jerseys, I wonder Kevin? His snide remark during the Kerry v Meath game suggesting ‘Kerrymen don’t dive’ just further revealed prejudice.
So what is wrong with Kevin? He admits to shrinking in the company of All Ireland medal winners having failed to close the deal himself with Mayo. But apart from having a small one I believe Kevin McStay is just a proud Mayo man psychologically scarred from the humiliation Kerry has heaped upon his county in this decade. Objectivity has long flown the coup as the bitterness has set in and no need ask who Kevin thinks or rather hopes will win on All Ireland Final day this year.
By the way, his remarks in the Evening Herald are only following on from what he announced straight after the final whistle in last year’s final - that not only had Tyrone won the All Ireland but they had also ended the team of the decade debate.
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Post by dano on Sept 3, 2009 2:15:18 GMT
Kevin is just as bitter towards Mayo though, just an all round bitter nobody trying to spoil these happy days for ourselves and Cork in the buildup to the second all Munster final of the decade. That must be the most galling fact of all for the likes of him who abide by the" anyone but Kerry " code. The problem with that particular code is that ,more often than not, the anyones dont make it! Strange in a competition of 32 teams, some of them with supposed huge traditions in football.
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Post by Corner Back on Sept 4, 2009 18:26:34 GMT
Sad little man! Facts are Kerry have beaten Mayo and Cork in the Finals because they were the teams good enough to get there. Dublin were not good enough to get there (2007) and in the particular years that Kerry have won Tyrone were not good enough to get there. A few facts since 2000 .................................... Kerry ............. Tyrone All Ireland final wins ............... 4................3 All Ireland appearances .......... 8.................3 Seimi final appearances........... 10.................4 Quarter finals appearances ...... 9................4 |
Debate over!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2009 18:32:41 GMT
10 semi's and quarter finals kingdom35.
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Post by Corner Back on Sept 4, 2009 18:37:23 GMT
10 semi's and quarter finals kingdom35. Of course. Semi finals modified. 9 Quarters is correct. Back door only introduced in 2001
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2009 18:39:10 GMT
10 semi's and quarter finals kingdom35. Of course. Semi finals modified. 9 Quarters is correct. Back door only introduced in 2001 of course One replayed all-ireland final also.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2009 19:58:02 GMT
Not to mention keeping Cork humble
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Post by Corner Back on Sept 4, 2009 21:17:43 GMT
Of course. Semi finals modified. 9 Quarters is correct. Back door only introduced in 2001 of course One replayed all-ireland final also. 1 replayed final 2000 2 replayed semis 2000 & 2008 1 replayed quarter 2001 0 of above replays lost
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2009 22:19:46 GMT
From the Meath Chronicle
A bridge too far by Fergal Lynch
Kerry 2-8, Meath 1-7
Ultimately it was a bridge too far for Meath. Eamonn O'Brien's side's trawl through the backwaters of the All-Ireland SFC qualifiers took an obvious toll on Sunday as Kerry deservedly booked their place in the final with an unconvincing display at Croke Park.
There was no annihilation that many pundits expected, but there were occasions, especially in the second-half, when it was embarrassingly easy for Kerry as they held Meath scoreless for 22 minutes.
Kerry, without hitting the peaks they achieved against Dublin in the quarter-final, always looked comfortable and with Tommy Walsh having a huge impact as a substitute they were the better side.
Meath can count themselves unlucky on a few occasions. There were a number of refereeing decisions that didn't help their cause and with Stephen Bray forced off in the sixth minute with a shoulder injury, the attack lacked the necessary bite.
Referee Gearoid O Conamha awarded Kerry a dubious penalty after Colm Cooper took an Eduardo-esque tumble under minimal pressure from Anthony Moyles and Darren O'Sullivan converted the kick despite losing his footing.
Towards the end of the first period O Conamha failed to take action when Brian Farrell was clearly struck in the face and the officials also managed to award a '45' to Kerry when Declan O'Sullivan's goal-bound shot was clearly deflected wide by Cooper.
It is those crumbs of solace that Meath fans can point to and offer as excuses, but in fairness no excuse can cover up the fact that Kerry were the better team.
The Kingdom's defence was magnificent as they restricted Meath to just 1-2 from play, with Cian Ward's goal coming in the last minute of the game. They also lorded midfield and with Walsh a constant threat after his 28th minute arrival Kerry possessed the greater attacking threat.
Very little went Meath's way. Both Anthony Moyles and Paddy O'Rourke looked nervous as Kerry put them under significant pressure. Passes went astray and clear-cut scoring chances were squandered.
In midfield Kerry swarmed with Darragh O Se and Seamus Scanlon receiving significant assistance from Paul Galvin, Killian Young, Mike McCarthy, Tadhg Kennelly and Tomas O Se to snuff out any chances Meath had of picking up breaking ball.
Nothing can be taken away from what Meath have achieved this year. While reaching another All-Ireland SFC semi-final is significant, it was the manner in which it was achieved that will offer the excellent Meath supporters some solace.
Each and every one of the Meath players restored the pride in wearing the jersey. The brand of catch and kick, direct route football ensured many exciting games and while the championship ended the way it started, with a disjointed display, there was plenty in between to enthuse about.
It was a pity that on their biggest stage of the year Meath looked nervous. It took them 14 minutes to find their first score and just like the Mayo game they were already four points behind at that stage.
Another 11 minutes followed before Cian Ward tapped over a second score. There was also 22 barren minutes in the second-half and it is just not sustainable to produce that many scoreless spells and expect to beat a team of the calibre of Kerry.
The day started badly for Meath and got progressively worse. A hopeful long ball into the square caused all sorts of problems for Moyles. Firstly he failed to claim possession, then both he and Eoghan Harrington swung wild boots as Cooper drifted past them and finally Moyles reached out an arm that prompted the Kerry player to collapse to the turf.
From O Conamha's point of view it was a clear-cut penalty, other views suggested Cooper dived. Either way Darren O'Sullivan's poorly struck kick went straight down the middle with O'Rourke hardly covering himself in glory.
Stephen Bray was forced out of the action and replaced by Mickey Burke. The captain's absence was a huge blow, but it is doubtful that even with his outstanding talents he could have conjured a Meath win.
After falling behind to the early goal, Cian Ward struck the upright with a free and Farrell missed the follow up. Sheridan gave the ball away to allow Cooper stretch Kerry's lead and the Kingdom could have been further clear if Cooper hadn't got in the way of Declan O'Sullivan's shot.
Sheridan made amends for his earlier wayward pass by brilliantly setting up Farrell for a fine score, but Kerry continued in the ascendancy as O'Rourke did well to deny Declan O'Sullivan before Darren O'Sullivan tapped over from the loose ball.
A fortuitous free against Scanlon allowed Ward point from 13 metres, but Meath were not at their best as David Bray scuffed a great chance by fisting wide when in a decent position.
Passes were going astray and on at least four occasions in the opening half over-hit passes drifted harmlessly out over the end line as Meath's endeavours to be creative hit a brick wall.
A needless foul by Burke on Declan O'Sullivan gave Cooper a handy free to make it 1-3 to 0-2, but Meath gave themselves a perfect boost before half-time when Ward pointed a free after Sheridan was fouled and then the Wolfe Tones man lofted a superb sideline between the posts to close the gap to 0-4 to 1-3 at the break.
Games are often won and lost on the smallest details and had matters worked out differently in the opening minute of the second-half then there might have been a different outcome.
In that one minute Caoimhin King kicked an awful wide when in a good position and from the kick-out Kerry worked the ball downfield, Kennelly delivered a long pass which Walsh won easily over Moyles' head before despatching beyond O'Rourke.
In that early second-half moment Meath went from almost being just 0-5 to 1-3 behind to actually trailing by 0-4 to 2-3. It was effectively game over.
Kerry grew in confidence as Walsh was left unmarked to put six points between the teams. A poorly directed free by Crawford allowed Kennelly stretch Kerry's advantage and although Sheridan responded with a good point it was Kerry who always looked comfortable with Cooper adding another free after Meade had needlessly fouled Declan O'Sullivan.
Walsh left Moyles stranded again to tag on his second point before Ward pointed from another sideline to give Meath some glimmer of hope.
However, as the contest wore on Kerry were more competent around the middle and won the crucial breaking ball. Darren O'Sullivan's sideline ball was dropped by Cormac McGuinness, but O'Rourke did well to keep the ball out.
Meath threw everything into trying to find a way through the Kerry rearguard, but all to no avail. Kennelly stretched the Kingdom's lead to 2-8 to 0-6 at his ease, but as time was running out Meath started to create more chances.
Sheridan's great drive came back off the upright and both Jamie Queeney and Sheridan were denied goals by the excellence of Diarmuid Murphy's reactions.
Farrell tapped over a 13-metre free in injury-time and with the two minutes of additional time elapsed Ward capitalised on great work by Sheridan to find the net.
Defeat ended Meath's great odyssey, but there is no disgrace in going down by four points to a Kerry side that had annihilated Dublin by 17 points in their previous outing.
SCORERS
Kerry - T Walsh 1-2; Darren O'Sullivan 1-1, 1-0 penalty; C Cooper 0-3, two frees; T Kennelly 0-2.
Meath - C Ward 1-4, two frees, two sidelines; B Farrell 0-2, one free; J Sheridan 0-1.
THE TEAMS
Kerry - Diarmuid Murphy; Marc O Se, Tommy Griffin, Tom O'Sullivan; Tomas O Se, Mike McCarthy, Killian Young; Darragh O Se, Seamus Scanlon; Paul Galvin, Tadhg Kennelly, Donncha Walsh; Colm Cooper, Declan O'Sullivan, Darren O'Sullivan. Subs - Tommy Walsh for D Walsh 28 mins, Aidan O'Mahony for Young 50m, Micheal Quirke for D O Se 59m, Paul O'Connor for Cooper 59m, Bryan Sheehan for Declan O'Sullivan 66m.
Meath - Paddy O'Rourke; Chris O'Connor, Anthony Moyles, Eoghan Harrington; Seamus Kenny, Cormac McGuinness, Caoimhin King; Nigel Crawford, Brian Meade; Peadar Byrne, Joe Sheridan, Stephen Bray; David Bray, Brian Farrell, Cian Ward. Subs - Michael Burke for S Bray six mins, Jamie Queeney for Kenny 44m, Niall McKeigue for D Bray 48m, Mark Ward for Crawford 53m, Kevin Reilly for King 57m.
REFEREE
Gearoid O Conamha (Galway).
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Post by glengael on Sept 5, 2009 17:32:41 GMT
Had to smile at the picture of Tadhg Kennelly kneeling on the hallowed turf to take a breather during the match. Clearly his father's warning about putting the hands on the hips was taken to heart! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2009 7:49:10 GMT
By Colm O'Rourke
Sunday September 06 2009
The music has stopped and there are two left on the dance floor. In two weeks the foxtrot will decide who wins the watch. Like the TV ad says, losers go home. And with nothing but regrets. Sounds cruel yet it is the reason which makes winning great and if losing does not hurt hard, then your heart is not really in it.
As always, the cream rises to the top. The three best teams ended up in the semi-finals. Meath tried to storm the party but are not yet in the heavyweight division. So it is back to the drawing board and, being optimistic by nature, I see the glass as half full even if structural reform in Meath is long overdue. Without it, success comes more by chance than design.
As I see it, there are two counties who plan very much for success, Tyrone and Kilkenny, while in Kerry it is just part of the cultural fibre. Planning for success is a co-ordinated approach across schools and underage levels, as well as ensuring a match programme at adult club level which may have to bend to suit the county team but ensures continuity in some types of fixtures while county players are absent.
Some counties slavishly follow the model of development squads as if they are the answer to all ills. Small numbers being brought together at a young age and kept together is a guarantee of missing all the slow developers. Fifty, sixty or a hundred should be the size of squads up to minor with the emphasis on skill development rather than winning.
This all takes money but more important than that is personnel. In Meath, there are massive untapped resources in terms of former players who are not involved simply because they are not asked. Many will not subject themselves to any type of election process but I have yet to meet a player who would not help out if asked. It is the same in every county so what is badly needed is an overall policy to get the best people in charge of every team from U14 to senior, where the same type of training is used, where a general style of football is common to all and where best practice in nutrition, exercise physiology and rest is part of an education programme.
If this sort of approach were adopted in Meath, then the county would be a force most years and All-Ireland winners on a regular basis. Because the basic ingredients for winning are in place: a big population, well-organised clubs, tradition, little competition from big rugby or soccer clubs, and a fairly fanatical support base.
The reality for these fans last Sunday was disappointment but there should be optimism too. Meath players tried hard but class is class and it was mainly on the Kerry side. In taking off the Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan, the Kerry management sent out a message long before the end that the game was over. It saved players for the final and guaranteed those who came on would fight tooth and nail to make an impression -- and that was without Kieran Donaghy making an entrance. Training in Kerry will a dangerous place over the next couple of weeks because even if 13 or 14 are automatic, there is the pecking order for subs to be sorted out.
Meath need to find at least half a dozen before next year. A tall order perhaps but there may be a few on the panel who could step up and a trawl through the clubs might throw up some more. If you look under enough rocks at the sea, you will surely find a pinkeen.
In 1986, Meath won a Leinster with a lot of rookies and then went on to have a spell at the top. In the beginning, the names of David Beggy, Liam Harnan, Terry Ferguson, Kevin Foley or Brian Stafford were not that well-known, even in the county, but before too long they made their mark. The same happened in 1996 when another team emerged so I'm confident that this is just a temporary setback on a long road.
In the case of the other beaten semi-finalist. Tyrone, the present is bleak but the future is very bright. I had expected Cork to beat Tyrone anyway but without Sean Cavanagh it was an impossible task. The present Tyrone side have given wonderful entertainment to their supporters and many have been on the road a long time.
They will be replaced too as no other county has such a network of well-organised schools but a lot of the present crew may not be back and if they are, they would be foolish. Within a short spell, Tyrone will have to find replacements for Brian Dooher, Conor Gormley, Owen Mulligan, Kevin Hughes and Brian McGuigan. Maybe better men will emerge but it will be hard replicate the type of bond that these enjoyed. A bond formed from triumph and tragedy and where the team was so much greater than the individuals.
Tyrone also changed football to an extent. Every man had to be able to play as all had to be backs, midfielders and forwards. Even if many of last year's minor team are champing at the bit to get on the senior side, there is a lot more to being a Tyrone player nowadays than just getting a jersey.
It will take many of these minors a few years to learn that and there will be a window of opportunity for others in Ulster. The natural cycle of football teams: win, lose and rebuild. The only place that the iron laws do not seem to apply is in Kerry.
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