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Post by martinoneill on Jul 29, 2010 22:49:18 GMT
any idea why the 2 mid fileders are out, the young george lad is off the panel, did some thing happen him? Hear that young Durrant was dropped from panel despite playing all games and training for probably 10 months. Method of dropping - not receiving a text - real class by O'Driscoll. Also, I think making wholesale changes at this stage doesn't show bravery on his behalf, as someone suggested here - more shows that he hasn't got a clue what his best team is.
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Post by updekingdom2 on Jul 30, 2010 1:30:16 GMT
can people not see what hes doing,hes picking a strong physical team for tyrone due to the evidence of last year when they were bullied around the place by armagh who were much stronger.maybe unlike kennedy he has realised that the team he has isnt working and hes not going to pick players on reputation which usually seems to happen in kerry.they were a joke against cork midfield was totally cleaned out,sommers was like an arctic truck manouvering around the field.o grady missed the vital scores and dwyer was a mess fumbling everything.fairplay to o driscol he has to courage to make changes before the problem worsens!!
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Post by roryracingcar on Jul 30, 2010 8:11:48 GMT
Jes "updakingdom" thats a bit harsh. Just goes to show in football your only as good as your last game! I thought every single one of them were poor against cork with the exception of eanna o connor, i thought the cork match was one of his better games this year. grady has also had a fantastic campaign with the cork game not being one of his strongest due to a knee injury which still unfortunately for us is not right. Sommers, another fine player had a "bad day" against the rebels but no doubt he will make an appearance sat and show us what he is well capable of. Pat is a great manager, he has picked the best 15 that are available to him presently and i wish him and the boys the very best of luck tomorrow!
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Jul 30, 2010 8:46:07 GMT
Whatever about the other changes, if O'Grady was 100% he would be starting.
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Post by mandad on Jul 30, 2010 9:16:34 GMT
“Updekingdom2 ”Offering diverse viewpoints on this forum is to be welcomed. However, when it gets to the point of comparing players to 'arctic trucks' and 'Charolais bulls' then I believe that it amounts to a form of self indulgence and personal abuse. I would respectfully suggest that you put a little more thought into your contributions and maybe pause a while before you press the 'Post Reply' button.
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Post by Control5 on Jul 30, 2010 10:05:30 GMT
It is a sign of a coward to come on here and make insulting remards about 18 year old Kerry footballers under a penname.
updekingdom2 You have a number of choices as follows 1 Reveal your real identity 2 Remove the offending posts 3 Get banned from the forum if you do neither
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Post by himself on Jul 30, 2010 12:31:02 GMT
I agree. I also think that there are far too many posters quick to cut at management. These guys are volunteers, they have proven track records. In poker, you can play a good hand brilliantly and lose out if some-one has four aces. It is certainly worth taking a look at how Tyrone in particular produce winning hands year after year. I have some theories, mainly regarding the fact that Raymund Munroe's lads have been preparing for the minor campaign since long before Pat O'Driscoll ever took charge of the Kerry minors. I also think that the suggestion that Pat would drop a player without even the courtesy of a text message is both completely ludicrous and very insulting. Anyone who has ever seen Pat with a team or spoken to any of this year's Kerry minors, as I have on occasion had the privilege of doing, knows that Pat would never, ever do such a thing. I don't care where or how it was "heard" and I am not making any aspersions against the poster, I am just saying it is completely untrue and whoever said it to them is no supporter of the Kerry minors. I know that Pat has their personal respect. I know that he respects them. And I know that I respect them all, the guys who put their hearts and don't make just as much as the guys that get the man of the match awards just as much as those who do. They are facing into the fire tomorrow. That is an excellent Tyrone team. But I know that I will be proud of the Kerry minors when they go on the field and I will be proud of them when they come off it.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Jul 30, 2010 12:32:59 GMT
Well said.
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Post by Kerryman 2 on Jul 30, 2010 12:41:28 GMT
Whatever about the other changes, if O'Grady was 100% he would be starting. but he also has't played any football since the munster final
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Jul 30, 2010 12:43:44 GMT
Whatever about the other changes, if O'Grady was 100% he would be starting. but he also has't played any football since the munster final Yes I know, that was kind of my point.
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Post by zusse on Jul 30, 2010 12:57:38 GMT
I couldnt have said it better myself " himself"!!....Id say our lads will give tyrone a bad fright tomorrow! croke park will suit the kerry boys down to the ground as they are very pacey! we also have a very strong bench, id expect o'grady to come on alright though! dont think he would have been able for full game due to lack of training etc..best of luck to all involved i hope the lads tare into them tyrone ..... !
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Post by lár na páirce on Jul 30, 2010 16:33:59 GMT
Best of luck to Pat and the boys tomorrow,was very excited when he was appointed for the post must be up there with the top up and coming managers,i have the utmost faith he will deliver during his tenure
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Post by neilesflynn on Jul 30, 2010 22:33:10 GMT
I must say that I am very confident in a kerry win tomorrow... as the old saying goes " horses for courses". I think Pat and his back room team has picked a team that will beat Tyrone...Time will tell
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 30, 2010 23:10:13 GMT
I agree. I also think that there are far too many posters quick to cut at management. These guys are volunteers, they have proven track records. In poker, you can play a good hand brilliantly and lose out if some-one has four aces. It is certainly worth taking a look at how Tyrone in particular produce winning hands year after year. I have some theories, mainly regarding the fact that Raymund Munroe's lads have been preparing for the minor campaign since long before Pat O'Driscoll ever took charge of the Kerry minors. I also think that the suggestion that Pat would drop a player without even the courtesy of a text message is both completely ludicrous and very insulting. Anyone who has ever seen Pat with a team or spoken to any of this year's Kerry minors, as I have on occasion had the privilege of doing, knows that Pat would never, ever do such a thing. I don't care where or how it was "heard" and I am not making any aspersions against the poster, I am just saying it is completely untrue and whoever said it to them is no supporter of the Kerry minors. I know that Pat has their personal respect. I know that he respects them. And I know that I respect them all, the guys who put their hearts and don't make just as much as the guys that get the man of the match awards just as much as those who do. They are facing into the fire tomorrow. That is an excellent Tyrone team. But I know that I will be proud of the Kerry minors when they go on the field and I will be proud of them when they come off it. Here, here. You have just written the post of the year! Up the Kingdom!
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Post by stacksman on Jul 31, 2010 11:38:37 GMT
Minors getting destroyed , terrible performance really like it was said before we won't win a minor for a long time to come . Tyrone are very good big strong men big future for some of them I would say certs for All Ireland .
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Post by dastriker on Jul 31, 2010 12:22:18 GMT
2 12 to 9, it was disappointing today but the team and management will be back again, its not the end of the world! pity not to win, its our first time in years not making a semi! just shows its not as easy a job as people think. people having a go at geaney and kennedy will have to take stock....this was the first year of our development squads coming through and we got no end result so its hard to know the route to go!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2010 12:49:34 GMT
As someone posted earlier this Tyrone team were been prepared for minor level a long time before Pat and his selectors got the kerry job,having under 14s and under 16s on weights programmes and diets just to get them ready for minor level might seem a bit mad to us down in Kerry but as Tyrone today and Armagh last year have proved thats the way inter county minor football is going and its up to the rest of the countys to catch up
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Post by mitchelsontour on Jul 31, 2010 13:32:40 GMT
As someone posted earlier this Tyrone team were been prepared for minor level a long time before Pat and his selectors got the kerry job,having under 14s and under 16s on weights programmes and diets just to get them ready for minor level might seem a bit mad to us down in Kerry but as Tyrone today and Armagh last year have proved thats the way inter county minor football is going and its up to the rest of the countys to catch up It is mad having under 14s and 16s doing weights - it will do untold long term damage to their bodies- I'd prefer to have minors that have a proper skill set and the education on how to look after their bodies properly than musclebound young men with persistent injury problems later in their football career.
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Post by stuckintipp on Jul 31, 2010 14:44:22 GMT
It is mad having under 14s and 16s doing weights - it will do untold long term damage to their bodies- I'd prefer to have minors that have a proper skill set and the education on how to look after their bodies properly than musclebound young men with persistent injury problems later in their football career. 100% agreed, short term gain for long term loss. Weight training has a place but not only a very minor place
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Post by footballlunatic on Jul 31, 2010 16:02:18 GMT
Don't think management were up to the job.I was over in tralee last week and Pat's B team beat the team he put out in croker today. Can't undersatand why he didn't foresee big problems then. Too slow to make changes today. Had players on bench better than he had on field. Disappointed. Thy mightn't have won but they could have given them a better game
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Post by North Clare on Jul 31, 2010 17:17:26 GMT
Jamie Moriarty was sitting at home today footballlunatic and that to me is wrong very wrong.
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Post by footballlunatic on Jul 31, 2010 18:47:07 GMT
what about George, very harsh. Young Hickey from desmonds in my opinion one of the best players on the team coming on with three minutes left to play ??
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Post by duagh80 on Aug 1, 2010 9:09:58 GMT
I Agree Hickey was man of the match against tipp and limerick and to only give the lad 3 or 4 minutes seems odd.
What about that young George Durrant Fella, played every minute against tipp and limerick, played 20 mins of bad football against cork(surely that doesnt make him a bad footballer)..... From what i heard he was from day one the best midfielder by far inside at training, and i heard the commentators on radio kerry yesterday during the game giving out that he was dropped and said that he was the best passer of a ball on the panel, and the one that fed most balls into the forwards
I also heard from a few people in dingle that he found out he was dropped from the panel by (NOT RECEIVING A TEXT MESSAGE), and to me that is shocking behavior by the management.
Was also told that Cork were hounding him for over a year to play with them, as he lives in Cork City, He travelled up to Killarney or tralee for training 3 or 4 times every week since november by bus,train or car...... And that to me is a fantastic effort by a young fella, and to get dropped like that is DISGRACEFUL
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Post by himself on Aug 1, 2010 11:45:03 GMT
There is something wrong disgraceful about that post alright, the bit between "It" and "DISGRACEFUL". Jamie Moriarty got fair trials and didn't make it, the same with many more. No shame in that, fair play to every player who had a go at wearing the jersey, but stop pretending that we had superman but just ignored him. Which forward would you have dropped for Jamie? George Durrant played his heart out for Kerry, but he did not play well at all against Limerick or Tipperary. He has not played well as a midfielder. Unlike Damien, he is not a natural midfielder and I would have liked to see him on the wing, not the middle, but after we exhausted all our options, it was between James, Damien, and George. Gary also is a wing forward and had to play midfield yesterday because we were out of options. I know about Sean McCarthy and Padraig Lucey - both were given chances in trials and just couldn't produce enough. No fault in that but no fault in management for not selecting them either. Thomas Hickey was excellent against Tipp and Limerick, really superb. However, he had time and space for brilliant distribution in those games, whereas against Cork his passing was telegraphed and repeatedly blocked down. Tom Kavanagh has been a big loss through injury all year - I think he would have nailed that second midfield berth. Shaun Keane carried that injury into yesterday's game, I doubt if he would have started were we not so depleted. Gavan showed his class when he came on despite his injury, as did Damien. Would Pa Kilkenny have locked down Ronan O'Neill if he was fit? Would Gary O'Leary if freed to the wing have curtailed Niall Sludden? All moot. Dastriker has opened up the real point of debate here. Up to a year ago I would have vehemently agreed with mitchelsontour; I am no longer convinced. The Kerry team of Mick O'Dwyer trained for speed bursts without warmups etc., the vast majority of them have hip and knee trouble now. Tyrone's underage development is better than ours over the past six/seven years. Club Tyrone was a masterstroke that revolutionised the GAA - the long term financial and professional implications have yet to be seen - I do not believe that amateurs can sustain the enormous commitment now required - and, while of course it galls me to admit it, they are roughly two to three years ahead of us in minor preparation - every year. It's time to stop talking rubbish about management or players, the pattern is consistent year after year despite us changing the personnel. We need to look at the system. We need to do it now.
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Post by kerryalways on Aug 1, 2010 15:36:17 GMT
Looking at the two games yesterday, what was really disappointing was the poor skill levels of many players on both teams, passes dropped, misdirected kicks, hand passes going astray and the minor lost their shape completely in the second half. Like the nineteen eighties we seem to have again become complacent and arrogant with regard to the development of basic skills and changes in formation and tactics.
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Post by kerryeye on Aug 1, 2010 15:43:06 GMT
When Pat O Driscoll was announced as manager of this inor team I was delighted with his appointment and on many occasions on this forum I said that he would lead us to a minor title this year.How wrong I was,unfortunately.
Kerry made too many changes to the team for this game,some were forced changes of course but to change the Keeper and the likes of Thmas Hickey were poor calls in my opinion.I'm not questioning the players who came in but to give players their first taste of inter county football in such a big and important game was poor judgement on the managements part.The players who had been their alreay had the bit of experience gained form playing in Munster which the others didnt.
The loss of Kilkenny and O Grady were immeasurable also and i think these two are our best hopes of future seniors from this minor team!
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Post by mitchelsontour on Aug 1, 2010 15:56:00 GMT
Looking at the two games yesterday, what was really disappointing was the poor skill levels of many players on both teams, passes dropped, misdirected kicks, hand passes going astray and the minor lost their shape completely in the second half. Like the nineteen eighties we seem to have again become complacent and arrogant with regard to the development of basic skills and changes in formation and tactics. Unfortunately this can only be a reflection on the different attitudes towards coaching that exists through out the county. The vast majority of the minors are probably training with the clubs senior team - the question is what is the focus of that training? is it mainly physical conditioning with little focus on the basic core skills of the game? What drills are being run do they focus mainly on hand passing -this seems to be the case as we as a county in recent times hand pass the ball to death. We as a county need to regroup and get back to the basics - not necessarily catch and kick but that ideal balance of creating space quickly using the handpass so as to allow a player to play an accurate kick pass to the forwards who have the space and skills to punish the opposition.
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Post by zusse on Aug 1, 2010 16:34:44 GMT
That Tyrone team yesterday were outstanding. They were very strong throughout the field. Unstopable. I have great respect for Pat o drioscall but what in the name of God were the management at atal yesterday. They sat down and watched tyrone annihilate us without making one switch in the first half. What good was it bringing on players with 5 and 10 minutes left? The forwards on the day couldnt catch a ball inside. When Pat kilkenny got injured i think that was the end of our minor campaign. He was badly missed. However injured O' Grady was he looked alot sharper than any one of the forwards when he came on with 9 minutes left throwing over 2 great points. The only changes i would have made to that team from the munster final was bring in someone for kilkenny. bring walsh out centre field, move durrant to wing back and bring on marcus mangan on the 40!....We still probably wouldnt have done up against Tyrone but we sure as hell would have given them a better game had all these major decisions not happened!
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Post by stuckintipp on Aug 1, 2010 19:06:10 GMT
The vast majority of the minors are probably training with the clubs senior team - the question is what is the focus of that training? is it mainly physical conditioning with little focus on the basic core skills of the game? Can't blame the clubs for what happened to the minors, only on the very rare occasion have they been allowed train with the club. As is the pattern with all Kerry panelists at every level (not sure about junior thou) they train almost exclusively with the county and on occasion play a club game if it's a few weeks to the nest county game
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Post by Piggy on Aug 3, 2010 20:40:11 GMT
Kerry played a much too open game against Tyrone in Croker, were picked apart with ease because of the wide open spaces. The days of having six out and out forwards is over unless you plan on winning nothing. Skills of the game, training with their clubs or having the right panel of players has nothing to do with it.
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