hugh20
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 5, 2010 17:52:50 GMT
Yes I think everyone would agree kilkenny was a massive loss....we need to do something about midfield....by far our weakest line.....does any1 know how long more shaun keane is out for?? we missed him big time aswel
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Post by chrism on Jul 5, 2010 21:56:56 GMT
Would say Cork mgt team had their homework done. They brought Cahalane back to steady the ship. Also quite a few of the Cork footballers are on the hurling panel as well. They have 2 matches that both went to extra time and that would stand to them in a big way.
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Post by A.N. Other on Jul 5, 2010 22:25:55 GMT
Was it that we have such a small minor team or were the Cork minors really that big? They were towering over our players. Thought Cullhane had a great game at full back. And Chris O Leary did well when brought in. Surely James will start midfield the next day with Chris coming in? Although its a long time away. Kilkenny was a huge loss but Brian Hurley played great football kicking balls over with the left and right, very impressive
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Post by chrism on Jul 5, 2010 22:57:13 GMT
A few of those Cork minors are minor again next year and one of them has 2 more years left and he is 6'3. It seems that the 2011 panel have one years training over them and in the last few weeks a few of them got promoted. They physical trainer for the Cork senior hurlers is in charge of their weights programs etc. He has been involved with Munster Rugby teams as well.
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Post by stacksman on Jul 6, 2010 14:30:11 GMT
No midfield will cost us Durrant not up to that level a lot of players were found out against Cork . Armagh and Tyrone are big men and I don't see us beating either of them we are just too light and small . Kerry players need to go on weights from sixteen upwards that's the way other counties are doing it now . Tyrone, Armagh , Mayo, Galway, and Cork all very big and strong this year we looked very small up against Cork and it stood to them . I don't see us winning an All Ireland until we get bigger you can have all the skill in the world but if you don't have strength you won't win 50 - 50 balls .
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 6, 2010 21:53:03 GMT
James Walsh and Culhane should make teh cut at senior level.
You cant expect to win while being cleaned out at midfield while playing with the wind.
I think they will play Kildare who are supposed to be good....... I am assuming that Kildare will win Leinster........they played 3 massive games before beating Dublin.
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Post by kgaa on Jul 6, 2010 22:03:06 GMT
No midfield will cost us Durrant not up to that level a lot of players were found out against Cork . Armagh and Tyrone are big men and I don't see us beating either of them we are just too light and small . Kerry players need to go on weights from sixteen upwards that's the way other counties are doing it now . Tyrone, Armagh , Mayo, Galway, and Cork all very big and strong this year we looked very small up against Cork and it stood to them . I don't see us winning an All Ireland until we get bigger you can have all the skill in the world but if you don't have strength you won't win 50 - 50 balls . The very reason Kerry produce more technical and skillful players than most counties is that we don't put as big an emphasis on weight training and size at minor level. (refer bac to Keith Barr's article about Dublin football for example). Glaway won a minor title not long ago and no players have come through..except Conroy maybe. Kerry have brought through BJ Keane and J. Lyne in recent months. Sick of listening to people go on about the importance of weight training. I would much rather consistently produce minor teams capable of getting to semi's and finals and maybe coming up short against a big physical team then see a big physical minor team win..who by the time they get to u21 and senior are having their lack of skill and composure exposed because they no longer have the physical advantage over their opponents. Most of Kerry's best footballers on the current senior team were not big minors..
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Post by peanuts on Jul 6, 2010 22:25:05 GMT
James Walsh and Culhane should make teh cut at senior level. You cant expect to win while being cleaned out at midfield while playing with the wind. I think they will play Kildare who are supposed to be good....... I am assuming that Kildare will win Leinster........they played 3 massive games before beating Dublin. Kildare were beaten by Longford last weekend.
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Kicks and straight over the bar. Another point for Kerry who are starting to pull away now.
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Post by sydneyswan on Jul 6, 2010 22:34:50 GMT
James Walsh and Culhane should make teh cut at senior level. You cant expect to win while being cleaned out at midfield while playing with the wind. I think they will play Kildare who are supposed to be good....... I am assuming that Kildare will win Leinster........they played 3 massive games before beating Dublin. Kildare were beaten by Longford last weekend. Longford face Offaly in Sundays final having lost to them by a cricket score (think 19 pts) in the first round in Leinster. Word is Offaly are a big physical team. Then again so were Kildare. Methinks complacency played a role in Kildares ultimate demise having overcome the dubs. Another big scalp in Pearse Park, two in two weeks as only John O Mahony knows all too well.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 7, 2010 7:27:11 GMT
James Walsh and Culhane should make teh cut at senior level. You cant expect to win while being cleaned out at midfield while playing with the wind. I think they will play Kildare who are supposed to be good....... I am assuming that Kildare will win Leinster........they played 3 massive games before beating Dublin. Kildare were beaten by Longford last weekend. stunned by this!!
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 7, 2010 7:31:24 GMT
No midfield will cost us Durrant not up to that level a lot of players were found out against Cork . Armagh and Tyrone are big men and I don't see us beating either of them we are just too light and small . Kerry players need to go on weights from sixteen upwards that's the way other counties are doing it now . Tyrone, Armagh , Mayo, Galway, and Cork all very big and strong this year we looked very small up against Cork and it stood to them . I don't see us winning an All Ireland until we get bigger you can have all the skill in the world but if you don't have strength you won't win 50 - 50 balls . The very reason Kerry produce more technical and skillful players than most counties is that we don't put as big an emphasis on weight training and size at minor level. (refer bac to Keith Barr's article about Dublin football for example). Glaway won a minor title not long ago and no players have come through..except Conroy maybe. Kerry have brought through BJ Keane and J. Lyne in recent months. Sick of listening to people go on about the importance of weight training. I would much rather consistently produce minor teams capable of getting to semi's and finals and maybe coming up short against a big physical team then see a big physical minor team win..who by the time they get to u21 and senior are having their lack of skill and composure exposed because they no longer have the physical advantage over their opponents. Most of Kerry's best footballers on the current senior team were not big minors.. I was talking to a lad who is on the North Kerry U15 team ...... he said its a given that everyone can kick pass accurately with both feet. They played Clare and Cork recently. Both miles behind them in terms of technical ability. Kerry is divided up in to North Kerry and South Kerry and both playin a Munster Championship. (It may be Under 16?..... cant recall exactly).
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Post by himself on Jul 7, 2010 16:13:21 GMT
It is U16. Kerry have North and South Kerry Development Panels at U16, U15, and U14. Kerry South won it out last year after beating North Kerry in the semi-final. Cork (who also field two teams) were the only county that could put it up to us, really. It's played in Limerick, with the Gaelic Grounds for the final, and it's usually a fantastic occasion. Hoping that I have space enough to do a small preview next week, these players and mentors really put their heart and soul into it. Kerry are always around the business end, which to me is a big compliment to our underage structure, which I genuinely feel is the best in the country. Minor All Irelands aren't won in Croke Park, they are won on the U12 training fields. Cliched and over-simplistic, also erroneous if one reads too much into the physical training approach that has paid off for teams over the past few years. Still true nonetheless.
On the subject of weight training, I think that it is too specialised - and would absolutely have to be individually worked programmes. Minors are very different physiologically. I would be very wary - I think that we produce a great spread of players to choose from, and that pays off much better than selectively developing a chosen handful.
I do note that Ulster play an intercounty minor league in the winter. Probably not practical with Kerry's fractured jumble of a domestic senior fixture list (do not get me started!) but maybe worth considering
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Post by stacksman on Jul 7, 2010 16:24:46 GMT
I see the points ye are making I just would like to see them win at minor level once in a while . I suppose if they continue to bring through good young players every year then that's ok .
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Post by North Clare on Jul 7, 2010 16:58:44 GMT
Jamie Moriarty of John Mitchels, kicked 13 pts for St Brendans against East Kerry last night, 6 pts v Firies in the Senior county league and 2-8 v Castleisland in the N.K Minor league for his club, with an even mix of frees and from play in each case. How Jamie is not on the Minor panel beggers belief as there is no way the 9 or 10 forwards are better than him. Bigger alright, just because youre big doesnt mean a fella can score.
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Post by kgaa on Jul 7, 2010 21:48:44 GMT
I see the points ye are making I just would like to see them win at minor level once in a while . I suppose if they continue to bring through good young players every year then that's ok . You don't need have to have big players to win an all ireland. I would be interested to find out what county has been more consistent in reaching semi's and final's at minor level over say the last 5 years?
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Post by peanuts on Jul 7, 2010 22:16:52 GMT
Mayo, Tyrone and laois would be the teams that come to mind as being there or thereabouts the last few years.
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Post by kerryeye on Jul 7, 2010 22:30:53 GMT
Ya but none of them have the same consistency year after year of reaching semi's and finals.
Since 2001 we've contested every semi final and we've been in 2 finals in 04 and 06.Playing in these big games in Croker is vital for these players developments and helps them come on and develop as future senior players.
Id have very hope that this team will bounce back and progress further in the competition!
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Post by updekingdom2 on Jul 10, 2010 21:04:02 GMT
i have a feeling pat o driscol is the next john kennedy,the players were like headless chickens against cork.there was no bit of a plan to their game at all,it was like an u12 game everyone running towards the ball,everyone going for their own score and not passing it.barry o dwyer was left on for the whole game and towards the end he lost every ball which came near hom.surely they had a corner forward on the bench to replace him.thomas hickey was taken off and he had the beating of his man,id worry for this team in the championship unless the loss will bring them back down to earth
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Post by stacksman on Jul 10, 2010 23:08:58 GMT
I will wait until they play Tyrone or Armagh before bring him down to Kennedys level . If Kerry get hammered then we will talk about it but I agree Kerry were bad against Cork .
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Post by zusse on Jul 21, 2010 15:10:06 GMT
when are the minors out again?.
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Post by kerryeye on Jul 21, 2010 15:15:41 GMT
Think its on the August bank holiday weekend,the 31st of July.Dont know the venue
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Post by kerry1983 on Jul 21, 2010 18:07:34 GMT
Who are they playing?
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Post by crokepark on Jul 21, 2010 18:36:59 GMT
Tyrone
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Post by zusse on Jul 22, 2010 16:51:14 GMT
any chance it will be played in croke park?? Is kilkenny still out due to that leg injury he picked up against cork anyone know!
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Post by mandad on Jul 22, 2010 19:58:29 GMT
It looks likely that Kilkenny will be available. His injury was not as bad as first feared. Also Sean Keane is training and will also be looking for his place back. Tyrone looked a decent outfit with two very big midfielders that get around the whole field. They will be a very difficult team to beat. Portlaoise is the most likely venue I understand.
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Post by zusse on Jul 26, 2010 14:22:11 GMT
game on in croker. 12 o clock sat
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Post by mojo on Jul 26, 2010 15:14:17 GMT
Wonder wil he stick wit the 24 players tat were their for the munster final??? Hard to see durrant startin?? Walsh for midfield maybe... team been named tonite i tink!
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Post by kerryeye on Jul 26, 2010 15:23:17 GMT
We've had a couple of rounds of minor co championship since the munster final.Surely 1 or 2 new players have impressed in them and will be introduced to the panel for the game on Saturday.I would expect Walsh to go to midfield instead of Durrant but i dont know who we would put to wing back then!
mandad,any suggestions?
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Post by mandad on Jul 26, 2010 16:15:29 GMT
I'm afraid that the news on Kilkenny was a bit overly optimistic and he is likely to be unavailable for this game. The same applies to Sean Keane who has not regained his confidence and will struggle to make the first 15 - in my view.
With regards to midfield - I would expect James Walshe will start there with O'Leary coming in at half back. Sommers is a doubt too as he has picked up an injury but should make it. There are a few niggling injuries to others that could impact on the selected 15. I would'nt be surprised either if young Morley from Templenoe came into the side - maybe on the 40.
The team played a few challenges against good opposition recently and that should stand to them. Croke Park too should suit them as they are a fast side and a few are a bit small in stature.
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Post by kerryeye on Jul 26, 2010 16:27:38 GMT
Thanks for that Mandad.Kilenny will be a massive loss for Kerry if he doesnt make it.Who do you expect to replace Sommers if he cant make it?
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