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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jul 11, 2024 15:47:08 GMT
I think we are 0-5 V Down which is amazing really.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 11, 2024 16:43:25 GMT
I just watched the Armagh v Rossies game back this afternoon. Armagh were very patchy against a limited opposition. Granted the weather conditions weren't great.
Oisin Conaty needs watching and the Mc Cambridge lad drove forward, which I hadnt noticed him doing before.
Riain O Neill is a bit of a lucky bag. You just dont know what you are going to get.
We need to be firing on all cylinders on Saturday.
I havent seen a 70 minute display from us all year and I have been to all the games.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 11, 2024 16:58:32 GMT
I just watched the Armagh v Rossies game back this afternoon. Armagh were very patchy against a limited opposition. Granted the weather conditions weren't great. Oisin Conaty needs watching and the Mc Cambridge lad drove forward, which I hadnt noticed him doing before. Riain O Neill is a bit of a lucky bag. You just dont know what you are going to get. We need to be firing on all cylinders on Saturday. I havent seen a 70 minute display from us all year and I have been to all the games. With Armagh you can't take that game in isolation. Armagh probably had two heartbreaking ends in the q/f stage the past two years and the weight of this made a relative slam dunk tougher. While it wasn't pretty to watch, the game could instill that confidence to go that bit further. Armagh's monkey is off the back.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 11, 2024 17:14:01 GMT
Royalkerry was always a pillar of sense on here and bailed me out on more than one occasion - now I don't know if it is my seasonal dose of hayfever, or have you contracted something, but you are making no sense here. Ah maybe DD is nearing and we both gone bananas ..enjoy! Haha was it something I said...
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 11, 2024 17:20:13 GMT
I expect a very similar team again for this game and a very similar performance from Kerry. Armagh's best players are better than Derry's best but they still have a bit of a dilemma. If they play defensively Kerry will shadow box for as long as it takes and in the process get a few more scores and emerge victorious. If Armagh play a more attacking game, it could give the Kerry forwards the space they need to put up a big score. Either way Kerry will win and will not be one bit worried about what the game looks like as a spectacle.
If an Ulster team had a chance to get to an All-Ireland final where would "spectacle" be in their priority list?? So more of the same and hopefully a big day out in 2 weeks.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 11, 2024 17:26:32 GMT
I expect a very similar team again for this game and a very similar performance from Kerry. Armagh's best players are better than Derry's best but they still have a bit of a dilemma. If they play defensively Kerry will shadow box for as long as it takes and in the process get a few more scores and emerge victorious. If Armagh play a more attacking game, it could give the Kerry forwards the space they need to put up a big score. Either way Kerry will win and will not be one bit worried about what the game looks like as a spectacle. If an Ulster team had a chance to get to an All-Ireland final where would "spectacle" be in their priority list?? So more of the same and hopefully a big day out in 2 weeks. Do you really think Armaghs best players are better than Derrys ? I could name a few but Armagh don't have a forward of McGuigans calibre.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 11, 2024 19:08:25 GMT
Graham O Sullivan still on the bench
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 11, 2024 19:27:17 GMT
Graham O Sullivan still on the bench Graham is unlucky- defence is playing well collectively & it would be hard to slot him now - expect to see him at some stage though!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 11, 2024 20:09:09 GMT
Happy to see T Brosnan continuing as a starter.
My comments on him coming up to the Derry match were one of the great stopped clock moments on this forum.
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Post by brucewayne on Jul 11, 2024 20:10:38 GMT
The way Armagh went into their shell at the end of the Ulster final was very frustrating.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 11, 2024 20:48:46 GMT
I hear on the podcasts this week that Armagh will lose a shootout or any team will lose a shootout to Kerry.
The teams that go out over-defensive definitely can't win and at the high end of things haven't won games against better opposition in about ten years.
If Armagh want to win they have to go at Kerry. It doesn't have to be man-on-man around the pitch but if they want to dawdle around and not take risks Kerry will win (unless of course we do the same).
Armagh have to go for it and the evidence of the last few years is that they will do this to a point. And I hope they do on Saturday because I for one want to feel something more than I did that last day out.
And Kerry to win.
Say you want to box and we'll box, say you want to play football and we'll play football.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 11, 2024 21:00:53 GMT
Armagh team named,
One thing they do have is a strong bench,
- Steffan Campbell - Oisin ONeill - Aidan Nugent - Jarly Og.
All can come in and Jack needs to make changes when this happens.
Graham OSullivan for Steffan Campbell.
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Post by fitz on Jul 11, 2024 21:13:08 GMT
The way Armagh went into their shell at the end of the Ulster final was very frustrating. Tony “skill” Brosnan.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 11, 2024 21:14:21 GMT
Not sure if anyone needs them but I've got 2 tickets for 334 , don't like them going to waste.
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Post by fitz on Jul 11, 2024 21:14:55 GMT
The way Armagh went into their shell at the end of the Ulster final was very frustrating. Tony “skill” Brosnan. Shyte wrong post reply. Pologies
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Post by exiled on Jul 11, 2024 21:27:55 GMT
an average journey of 140km for Armagh fans versus an average journey of 305km for Kerry. armaghs population is 40,000 more than Kerry. wouldnt take any notice of them outnumbering us. I've friends in Armagh and have spent time there and I can guarantee you that their GAA population is less than ours. But those that are GAA are real gaels.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 11, 2024 21:27:56 GMT
Not sure if anyone needs them but I've got 2 tickets for 334 , don't like them going to waste. That's a ferocious price (😉, 😂).
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Post by The16thMan on Jul 11, 2024 21:31:20 GMT
an average journey of 140km for Armagh fans versus an average journey of 305km for Kerry. armaghs population is 40,000 more than Kerry. wouldnt take any notice of them outnumbering us. I've friends in Armagh and have spent time there and I can guarantee you that their GAA population is less than ours. But those that are GAA are real gaels. Even at this, Armagh will outnumber Kerry by about 4 to 1 I reckon, at least. With familiarity comes contempt, and 80% of Kerry supporters won't be appealed on going to a semi final as they expect to have another day out in the final.
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Post by ciarraigodeo on Jul 11, 2024 21:39:16 GMT
The forecast was absolutely brutal for Dublin Sat eve all week, it’s now completely changed to sunny skies and dry from midday on and that’s the last time I’m checking so we are going with that 👍🏻
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Post by thepope on Jul 11, 2024 22:22:38 GMT
Another road trip and hopefully not the last.
I expect another defensive, low-scoring affair and expect it'll be tight until the final 10 mins.
Armagh might try and go over a press (maybe a couple of times a half) at some stage which Derry rarely tried so we'll see how that plays out. Otherwise I expect the kickout to be mostly conceded by both sides.
I think we'll score more points than Armagh. I feel it could be a case of keeping goals (plural) out. To this end, Armagh will probably put Rian O'Neill to the edge of our square for brief periods during the game and aim to go long. Foley will need protection when they do this.
Safe travels to all.
Ciarraí Abú as always.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jul 11, 2024 22:33:53 GMT
an average journey of 140km for Armagh fans versus an average journey of 305km for Kerry. armaghs population is 40,000 more than Kerry. wouldnt take any notice of them outnumbering us. I've friends in Armagh and have spent time there and I can guarantee you that their GAA population is less than ours. But those that are GAA are real gaels. I would imagine so, although we seem to have gained a few more fans lately, as there were quite a few Armagh flags flying on top of a number of bonfires.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jul 11, 2024 23:18:27 GMT
I've friends in Armagh and have spent time there and I can guarantee you that their GAA population is less than ours. But those that are GAA are real gaels. I would imagine so, although we seem to have gained a few more fans lately, as there were quite a few Armagh flags flying on top of a number of bonfires. Yez are well behind the times here - did yez not see that car on top of the bonfire - now Ard Mhaca claims responsibility telling us it had an Armagh flat out the window! All I saw was, well, the Armagh coloured flames, a bit like our own Ballyfireside - fire will be fought with fire on Sat 13th, I think it will be close and that will be a surprise from here on in has me a biteen concerned. And what with the 4/5 Kerry people in the backroom team - tempted, but I won't - hopefully we won't have to. Met a gang of Armagh bucks lately and crack was mighty - like a lying competition in the end, still the truth will out - enjoy Ard Mhaca, but not too much - you have always been great company fair dues! And hasn't I a sneaky feeling we will travel - we are not that foolish, or mean! Be jazus but looking at that bonfire would make you warm, will we be able for the new orange order? Finally, semi-finally - anyone try RTE Player on PC with Radio Kerry also open? What a nice timely coincidence it would be for 'seeing it better on radio' - anyone listening?
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Post by powerhurl on Jul 12, 2024 6:48:47 GMT
Two questions lads. Will the game go to extra time and penalties if required and do the panel travel to Dublin on friday
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 12, 2024 7:54:58 GMT
Two questions lads. Will the game go to extra time and penalties if required and do the panel travel to Dublin on friday Yes to all.
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Post by paudief on Jul 12, 2024 8:52:43 GMT
A few thoughts... Team selectionI'd play Cillian Burke/Killian Spillane over Moynihan/Geaney, but it is what it is, the team still have the ability to win. On being favouritesSomething I thought watching Limerick-Cork in the hurling last weekend. My impression, even after the match, was that Limerick would beat Cork 7 or 8 times out of 10. But Cork played a brilliant game and Limerick were a bit off. The lesson? Even if you're favourites, you really need to play a great game, or you're liable to get dumped out at this stage of the competition. On Jack's conservatismThis is the thing that worries me. The performance two weeks ago was far from ideal, they really only played well for the second half. Yet he names the same team in a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" style. But just because you win doesn't mean everything was right. I hope they at least have a different gameplan than the first half of last week. On ArmaghI don't have a good handle on them at all. It's partly because of them playing in division 2, and narrowly missing out on the latter stages of competitions in recent years, I just haven't seen them that much. And Kerry haven't played them much either. Feels like they're a bit under-the-radar in general, although I notice the bookies rate them higher than Derry. Daragh O'Se referenced this in his article this week, that with narrow-losses, they may be underrated:
www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2024/07/10/darragh-o-se-no-team-is-thinking-about-bonus-territory-but-i-still-think-it-will-be-a-kerry-v-galway-finalOverallDespite my criticism of Jack's conservatism, I do have respect for him. I expect him to learn from the Derry match, and endeavour to play more in the style of the second-half performance than the first, kicking the ball into the forwards more. That was what was so frustrating about the quarter-final performance, you believe this group of players have the ability to play much better. If they do, they have the capability to beat anyone. So I'm going for a Kerry win, albeit tempered with a bit of a fear of the unknown threat Armagh pose.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 12, 2024 9:49:32 GMT
Well I didn't miss much by not being present for Derry, and nothing beats the post-holiday blues than having a massive match to look forward to straight away!
I'll be honest all I've really seen of Armagh this year is the D2 League final and Ulster final. In both games Armagh had the winning of them but, at the crucial moment, went conservative and safe instead of pressing on for victory. Does this suggest the endemic DNA of this side under McGeeney - will that mean they may revert to type on Saturday when the critical time comes? Who knows! They got the Q-Final monkey of their back but this is a side that has never been in a semi-final while its an annual expectation for these Kerry players to be here, so hopefully advantage the Kingdom in this regard too.
But outside of the above and even the specific opposition there's only one message I would be hammering home to our team and key players like David if I was in Quirke or Murphy's shoes: when are you lads going to start taking what's yours?
If I was the two boys I'd be cornering David and challenging him to start collecting Celtic Crosses. As someone said above (and its hard to believe he's there that long) but 1 AI medal in 7 campaigns is a poor haul.
We're rightly celebrated for winning our 38, but we've also lost 20+ finals. In the last 20 odd years we left behind titles in 02, 05, 08, 11, 15, 19, 23, never mind years like 2010, 2021 when we also should have been climbing the steps of the Hogan.
Last year we threw a title away to our deadliest opponents. The Gaelic football ecosystem has changed utterly with Dublin's financial rise - now its a case of a constant struggle to keep at the top of the roll of honour for as long as we can. We have to take every opportunity that comes our way and this year is a huge, huge opportunity for a team like Kerry.
We have to put that pressure now on ourselves and our players - the message has to be, you had the chances in 19, 20,21, 23 and blew them- do you think 1 title in all that time is good enough down here? Go out there on Saturday, get the job done and get it done again in a fortnight's time.
That's what needs to be laid on the line.
We've been minding ourselves all summer, its time now to show the country what this team can do. If it can than we can take Armagh and whoever comes after.
An Riocht Abu.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 12, 2024 9:55:19 GMT
A few thoughts... Team selectionI'd play Cillian Burke/Killian Spillane over Moynihan/Geaney, but it is what it is, the team still have the ability to win. On being favouritesSomething I thought watching Limerick-Cork in the hurling last weekend. My impression, even after the match, was that Limerick would beat Cork 7 or 8 times out of 10. But Cork played a brilliant game and Limerick were a bit off. The lesson? Even if you're favourites, you really need to play a great game, or you're liable to get dumped out at this stage of the competition. On Jack's conservatismThis is the thing that worries me. The performance two weeks ago was far from ideal, they really only played well for the second half. Yet he names the same team in a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" style. But just because you win doesn't mean everything was right. I hope they at least have a different gameplan than the first half of last week. On ArmaghI don't have a good handle on them at all. It's partly because of them playing in division 2, and narrowly missing out on the latter stages of competitions in recent years, I just haven't seen them that much. And Kerry haven't played them much either. Feels like they're a bit under-the-radar in general, although I notice the bookies rate them higher than Derry. Daragh O'Se referenced this in his article this week, that with narrow-losses, they may be underrated:
www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2024/07/10/darragh-o-se-no-team-is-thinking-about-bonus-territory-but-i-still-think-it-will-be-a-kerry-v-galway-finalOverallDespite my criticism of Jack's conservatism, I do have respect for him. I expect him to learn from the Derry match, and endeavour to play more in the style of the second-half performance than the first, kicking the ball into the forwards more. That was what was so frustrating about the quarter-final performance, you believe this group of players have the ability to play much better. If they do, they have the capability to beat anyone. So I'm going for a Kerry win, albeit tempered with a bit of a fear of the unknown threat Armagh pose. Yeah your last point is something a lot of us are surely pondering ahead of tomorrow, what are Armagh capable of? How good are they? We just are not as familiar with them as we would be other counties. The unknown brings a little trepidation - no harm when trying to focus minds!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 12, 2024 9:57:27 GMT
As someone who gives out about Jack's conservative nature I have to say that his this team has never been lacking in finishing the game in the last 15 minutes and have been at their best in this phase of the game.
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 12, 2024 10:11:19 GMT
This is what Armagh GAA people have had to put up with in their own locality for the last week. Páidí talked about the helicopters after losing in 02. In a metaphorical way, the helicopters have never left. This is why I would never begrudge a team from the 6 counties any success. Their battles against teams in Croke Park is only half their battle.
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Post by darraghk on Jul 12, 2024 10:18:01 GMT
Not sure if anyone needs them but I've got 2 tickets for 334 , don't like them going to waste. Hi - are these still available? Happy to pay face value
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