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Post by homerj on Jul 4, 2024 12:07:47 GMT
Why this couldn't have been put back a week is anyone's guess. Having not played a semi final likely didn't help St. Brendan's to be fair. /quote] because you are getting further and further now into holiday and travel period. no finals or championship should be played in July and August.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jul 4, 2024 12:49:22 GMT
Stacks always have good underage teams but they don't seem to produce enough good senior players. Apart from Kieran Donaghy they haven't produced any top players since Mikey Sheehys time. Our towns in general have been poor in producing players. Castleisland? Nobody really since Charlie Listowel? The 2 Kennelly's and one only played for a year. Kenmare? Sean O'Shea & S O'Brien and none since Micky Ned. Well Stacks also had William Kirby, although it could be argued that Na Gaeil actually produced him as he played with them underage. As for Castleisland, Listowel and Kenmare none of them have ever had more than one or maybe two player's with Kerry at any time. Something should be done about it. That's where are the population are going to. The rural clubs are dying out.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 4, 2024 13:26:42 GMT
Well Stacks also had William Kirby, although it could be argued that Na Gaeil actually produced him as he played with them underage. As for Castleisland, Listowel and Kenmare none of them have ever had more than one or maybe two player's with Kerry at any time. Something should be done about it. That's where are the population are going to. The rural clubs are dying out. One of the Tralee clubs involved with Brendan’s last night submitted their intention to participate on their own in the county championship; they were informed by the CCC that there were already 16 teams in place & would have to play with Brendans - the deadline for applications which was sent out initially did not stipulate that there was a restriction on the number of teams to take part - that’s approx 15 players excluded from playing at that grade.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 4, 2024 20:27:08 GMT
Something should be done about it. That's where are the population are going to. The rural clubs are dying out. One of the Tralee clubs involved with Brendan’s last night submitted their intention to participate on their own in the county championship; they were informed by the CCC that there were already 16 teams in place & would have to play with Brendans - the deadline for applications which was sent out initially did not stipulate that there was a restriction on the number of teams to take part - that’s approx 15 players excluded from playing at that grade. If only there was a fair mechanism where you could play county championship with your club if your club was successful enough. /s If this is true, the club needs to have a hard look at themselves. No club is too big to go down. They have the wrong mentality.
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Post by mossie on Jul 4, 2024 20:42:46 GMT
Stacks always have good underage teams but they don't seem to produce enough good senior players. Apart from Kieran Donaghy they haven't produced any top players since Mikey Sheehys time. Our towns in general have been poor in producing players. Castleisland? Nobody really since Charlie Listowel? The 2 Kennelly's and one only played for a year. Kenmare? Sean O'Shea & S O'Brien and none since Micky Ned. what are talking about? You have missed out on some great town players Castleisland - Mossie Lyons won an all ireland on the starting 15 I think Listowel - Stephen Stack was corner back in 1997 when kerry won and for the lean years before that Tralee - Jack Barry, Diarmuid O'Connor, William Kirby started out at Na Gaeil then Stacks, Joe O'Connor Stacks, Barry Shea narries full back in 1997 and then Tommy Walsh, David Moran Killarney - The Gooch and a load of Crokes lads, James O'Donoghue and the other Legion lads Dingle - Diarmuid Murphy, the Geaneys, Tom Sullivan etc Killorglin - Billy O'Shea In short you are wrong - loads of good players from the towns, some towns look to be underachieving alright
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 4, 2024 21:54:40 GMT
Stacks always have good underage teams but they don't seem to produce enough good senior players. Apart from Kieran Donaghy they haven't produced any top players since Mikey Sheehys time. Our towns in general have been poor in producing players. Castleisland? Nobody really since Charlie Listowel? The 2 Kennelly's and one only played for a year. Kenmare? Sean O'Shea & S O'Brien and none since Micky Ned. what are talking about? You have missed out on some great town players Castleisland - Mossie Lyons won an all ireland on the starting 15 I think Listowel - Stephen Stack was corner back in 1997 when kerry won and for the lean years before that Tralee - Jack Barry, Diarmuid O'Connor, William Kirby started out at Na Gaeil then Stacks, Joe O'Connor Stacks, Barry Shea narries full back in 1997 and then Tommy Walsh, David Moran Killarney - The Gooch and a load of Crokes lads, James O'Donoghue and the other Legion lads Dingle - Diarmuid Murphy, the Geaneys, Tom Sullivan etc Killorglin - Billy O'Shea In short you are wrong - loads of good players from the towns, some towns look to be underachieving alright Listowel (1.5), Killorglin (1), Castleisland (0) and Kenmare (2) haven't produced many Kerry Seniors this century. Rathmore's a small village and has produced a similar amount of players as those 4 towns this century. Austin Stacks is a huge club and has produced 2 players this century. The other towns have.
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Post by mg72 on Jul 4, 2024 22:07:25 GMT
what are talking about? You have missed out on some great town players Castleisland - Mossie Lyons won an all ireland on the starting 15 I think Listowel - Stephen Stack was corner back in 1997 when kerry won and for the lean years before that Tralee - Jack Barry, Diarmuid O'Connor, William Kirby started out at Na Gaeil then Stacks, Joe O'Connor Stacks, Barry Shea narries full back in 1997 and then Tommy Walsh, David Moran Killarney - The Gooch and a load of Crokes lads, James O'Donoghue and the other Legion lads Dingle - Diarmuid Murphy, the Geaneys, Tom Sullivan etc Killorglin - Billy O'Shea In short you are wrong - loads of good players from the towns, some towns look to be underachieving alright Listowel (1.5), Killorglin (1), Castleisland (0) and Kenmare (2) haven't produced many Kerry Seniors this century. Rathmore's a small village and has produced a similar amount of players as those 4 towns this century. Austin Stacks is a huge club and has produced 2 players this century. The other towns have. Mike Frank Russell, John Sheehan and Peter Crowley from Killorglin. Pa Laide and Barry John Keane from Tralee, Dara Moynihan and Jonathan Lyne from Killarney.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jul 4, 2024 22:51:39 GMT
Stacks always have good underage teams but they don't seem to produce enough good senior players. Apart from Kieran Donaghy they haven't produced any top players since Mikey Sheehys time. Our towns in general have been poor in producing players. Castleisland? Nobody really since Charlie Listowel? The 2 Kennelly's and one only played for a year. Kenmare? Sean O'Shea & S O'Brien and none since Micky Ned. what are talking about? You have missed out on some great town players Castleisland - Mossie Lyons won an all ireland on the starting 15 I think Listowel - Stephen Stack was corner back in 1997 when kerry won and for the lean years before that Tralee - Jack Barry, Diarmuid O'Connor, William Kirby started out at Na Gaeil then Stacks, Joe O'Connor Stacks, Barry Shea narries full back in 1997 and then Tommy Walsh, David Moran Killarney - The Gooch and a load of Crokes lads, James O'Donoghue and the other Legion lads Dingle - Diarmuid Murphy, the Geaneys, Tom Sullivan etc Killorglin - Billy O'Shea In short you are wrong - loads of good players from the towns, some towns look to be underachieving alright I was referring to Listowel, Kenmare and Castleisland specifically. I don't recall Mossie Lyons starting an AI final. I think he started V Meath in 2001 but usually a sub. I wouldn't consider him a great player. Stephen Stack was probably unlucky with the era he played in but again I don't recall him as being a great. Tralee and Killarney obviously produced a lot although as I said earlier Stacks should be more productive with their numbers. Dingle had a golden generation from their 2014 minors but looking at underage results they are amalgamating and doing bad. Apart from Diarmuid Murphy, Paul Geaney & Tommy Griffin there is a big gap to when they had great Kerry players. So in short I'm not wrong.
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Post by mossie on Jul 4, 2024 23:17:45 GMT
Listowel (1.5), Killorglin (1), Castleisland (0) and Kenmare (2) haven't produced many Kerry Seniors this century. Rathmore's a small village and has produced a similar amount of players as those 4 towns this century. Austin Stacks is a huge club and has produced 2 players this century. The other towns have. Mike Frank Russell, John Sheehan and Peter Crowley from Killorglin. Pa Laide and Barry John Keane from Tralee, Dara Moynihan and Jonathan Lyne from Killarney. true, jez how the * did I not mention Mike Frank, killorglin's finest Brian Kelly Legion too, all ireland winning keeper in 2014
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Post by mossie on Jul 4, 2024 23:23:58 GMT
what are talking about? You have missed out on some great town players Castleisland - Mossie Lyons won an all ireland on the starting 15 I think Listowel - Stephen Stack was corner back in 1997 when kerry won and for the lean years before that Tralee - Jack Barry, Diarmuid O'Connor, William Kirby started out at Na Gaeil then Stacks, Joe O'Connor Stacks, Barry Shea narries full back in 1997 and then Tommy Walsh, David Moran Killarney - The Gooch and a load of Crokes lads, James O'Donoghue and the other Legion lads Dingle - Diarmuid Murphy, the Geaneys, Tom Sullivan etc Killorglin - Billy O'Shea In short you are wrong - loads of good players from the towns, some towns look to be underachieving alright I was referring to Listowel, Kenmare and Castleisland specifically. I don't recall Mossie Lyons starting an AI final. I think he started V Meath in 2001 but usually a sub. I wouldn't consider him a great player. Stephen Stack was probably unlucky with the era he played in but again I don't recall him as being a great. Tralee and Killarney obviously produced a lot although as I said earlier Stacks should be more productive with their numbers. Dingle had a golden generation from their 2014 minors but looking at underage results they are amalgamating and doing bad. Apart from Diarmuid Murphy, Paul Geaney & Tommy Griffin there is a big gap to when they had great Kerry players. So in short I'm not wrong. "Our towns in general have been poor in producing players" is what you said in general means one should look at all towns by my assessment of in general , you are choosing to look at just a few towns who havent had the same representation as other towns Kerry has a lot of towns, therefore there wont always be a heap of players from every town and large villages\small villages will always produce players as well so only so much room for the townies! of course some towns are going to produce more than others
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jul 4, 2024 23:34:55 GMT
Go to bed Mossie!
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jul 4, 2024 23:36:10 GMT
Hopefully the growing villages like Milltown are getting the support they need to nurture the young ones.
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Post by Premier on Jul 5, 2024 5:08:04 GMT
One of the Tralee clubs involved with Brendan’s last night submitted their intention to participate on their own in the county championship; they were informed by the CCC that there were already 16 teams in place & would have to play with Brendans - the deadline for applications which was sent out initially did not stipulate that there was a restriction on the number of teams to take part - that’s approx 15 players excluded from playing at that grade. If only there was a fair mechanism where you could play county championship with your club if your club was successful enough. /s If this is true, the club needs to have a hard look at themselves. No club is too big to go down. They have the wrong mentality. That’s laughable, if you think you are too good for the intermediate you should have no problem going out and winning it
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 5, 2024 8:02:19 GMT
what are talking about? You have missed out on some great town players Castleisland - Mossie Lyons won an all ireland on the starting 15 I think Listowel - Stephen Stack was corner back in 1997 when kerry won and for the lean years before that Tralee - Jack Barry, Diarmuid O'Connor, William Kirby started out at Na Gaeil then Stacks, Joe O'Connor Stacks, Barry Shea narries full back in 1997 and then Tommy Walsh, David Moran Killarney - The Gooch and a load of Crokes lads, James O'Donoghue and the other Legion lads Dingle - Diarmuid Murphy, the Geaneys, Tom Sullivan etc Killorglin - Billy O'Shea In short you are wrong - loads of good players from the towns, some towns look to be underachieving alright I was referring to Listowel, Kenmare and Castleisland specifically. I don't recall Mossie Lyons starting an AI final. I think he started V Meath in 2001 but usually a sub. I wouldn't consider him a great player. Stephen Stack was probably unlucky with the era he played in but again I don't recall him as being a great. Tralee and Killarney obviously produced a lot although as I said earlier Stacks should be more productive with their numbers. Dingle had a golden generation from their 2014 minors but looking at underage results they are amalgamating and doing bad. Apart from Diarmuid Murphy, Paul Geaney & Tommy Griffin there is a big gap to when they had great Kerry players. So in short I'm not wrong. Exactly how many players do you think town clubs should be producing? Should the whole panel be just made up of players from town clubs? You're also picking very random examples. Kenmare until the 60s were very much a hurling club who also played football so wouldn't excatly have been producing huge amounts of players anyway. As I said Castleisland and Listowel are similar. You're trying to claim those had been producing countless players when it's not actually true.
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 5, 2024 8:06:13 GMT
If only there was a fair mechanism where you could play county championship with your club if your club was successful enough. /s If this is true, the club needs to have a hard look at themselves. No club is too big to go down. They have the wrong mentality. That’s laughable, if you think you are too good for the intermediate you should have no problem going out and winning it I don't know where this attitude of being too good for a curtain grade comes from. Last year it was Ballymac in the Junior yet when it came to it they obviously weren't good enough as they didn't win it.
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Post by southward on Jul 6, 2024 7:37:12 GMT
Stacks always have good underage teams but they don't seem to produce enough good senior players. Apart from Kieran Donaghy they haven't produced any top players since Mikey Sheehys time. Our towns in general have been poor in producing players. Castleisland? Nobody really since Charlie Listowel? The 2 Kennelly's and one only played for a year. Kenmare? Sean O'Shea & S O'Brien and none since Micky Ned. what are talking about? You have missed out on some great town players Castleisland - Mossie Lyons won an all ireland on the starting 15 I think Listowel - Stephen Stack was corner back in 1997 when kerry won and for the lean years before that Tralee - Jack Barry, Diarmuid O'Connor, William Kirby started out at Na Gaeil then Stacks, Joe O'Connor Stacks, Barry Shea narries full back in 1997 and then Tommy Walsh, David Moran Killarney - The Gooch and a load of Crokes lads, James O'Donoghue and the other Legion lads Dingle - Diarmuid Murphy, the Geaneys, Tom Sullivan etc Killorglin - Billy O'Shea In short you are wrong - loads of good players from the towns, some towns look to be underachieving alright Listowel, this century, has also produced Brian McGuire, Brendan Guiney and Conor Cox (now of Roscommon). No seniors at present but a good share of the current squad have represented the County at underage.
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Post by thekingdom on Jul 6, 2024 11:49:36 GMT
Nothing to write home about. They are very average players. Cox had potential at one stage but has done ok with the rossies.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 6, 2024 12:16:00 GMT
what are talking about? You have missed out on some great town players Castleisland - Mossie Lyons won an all ireland on the starting 15 I think Listowel - Stephen Stack was corner back in 1997 when kerry won and for the lean years before that Tralee - Jack Barry, Diarmuid O'Connor, William Kirby started out at Na Gaeil then Stacks, Joe O'Connor Stacks, Barry Shea narries full back in 1997 and then Tommy Walsh, David Moran Killarney - The Gooch and a load of Crokes lads, James O'Donoghue and the other Legion lads Dingle - Diarmuid Murphy, the Geaneys, Tom Sullivan etc Killorglin - Billy O'Shea In short you are wrong - loads of good players from the towns, some towns look to be underachieving alright I was referring to Listowel, Kenmare and Castleisland specifically. I don't recall Mossie Lyons starting an AI final. I think he started V Meath in 2001 but usually a sub. I wouldn't consider him a great player. Stephen Stack was probably unlucky with the era he played in but again I don't recall him as being a great. Tralee and Killarney obviously produced a lot although as I said earlier Stacks should be more productive with their numbers. Dingle had a golden generation from their 2014 minors but looking at underage results they are amalgamating and doing bad. Apart from Diarmuid Murphy, Paul Geaney & Tommy Griffin there is a big gap to when they had great Kerry players. So in short I'm not wrong. You're completely correct. Listowel, Kenmare, Castleisland, Killorglin, Austin Stacks have produced very little this century. That's a big population collectively. Killorglin and Listowel in particular should be producing more as they've great history and big populations.
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Post by thekingdom on Jul 6, 2024 14:23:23 GMT
Killorglin had top class underage teams particularly in the 90's but their talent production line fell off a cliff in the 00's. They seem to be getting it back again which is great to see.
Another sign of positivity was Castleisland secondary school performing well in the Corn Ui Mhuiri.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 6, 2024 15:47:59 GMT
The big problem for Kerry is that there are sections not producing like they did before. We need to review and see if we can bring up more players. That 5 in a row minors might have made us a biteen lazy in our underage work.
Edit: I'm not having a cut off parishes, I'm just thinking maybe we need to see if we are provide enough support to those parishes to develop players.
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Post by thekingdom on Jul 6, 2024 16:00:58 GMT
North Kerry seems to have had a review by Eamonn Fitzmaurice and it would be great to see them prosper. The bypass of Adare and motorway to Foynes will hopefully help the population there with jobs and commuting.
I can see the likes of Glenflesk getting a population boost from the ballyvourney bypass.
We all want Kerry to prosper and all clubs to do better.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 6, 2024 20:02:31 GMT
Lads there are 35 players on each panel every year, be it minor 20 or senior, I believe all areas of the county are well represented including NK, Tralee and Killarney, even have seen plenty representation from the laune the last few years, so they are all producing good players. When it comes to senior it’s a different story, way more commitment and not sure all lads are willing to make up numbers on squads. We also have the disadvantage of the job opportunity in the locality of kerry, you look at a lot of kerry players they work within the education sector very good to facilitate inter county commitment. Take covid into consideration in recent times, this has led to a mass exodus of youth, you can see that in the quality of local football, standards have dropped.
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Post by Premier on Jul 7, 2024 3:09:48 GMT
Lads there are 35 players on each panel every year, be it minor 20 or senior, I believe all areas of the county are well represented including NK, Tralee and Killarney, even have seen plenty representation from the laune the last few years, so they are all producing good players. When it comes to senior it’s a different story, way more commitment and not sure all lads are willing to make up numbers on squads. We also have the disadvantage of the job opportunity in the locality of kerry, you look at a lot of kerry players they work within the education sector very good to facilitate inter county commitment. Take covid into consideration in recent times, this has led to a mass exodus of youth, you can see that in the quality of local football, standards have dropped. There were 35 people on the respective minor, u20 and senior panels this year give or take. South Kerry had zero minors, 2 u20s and 1 Senior. I don’t know how you could possibly say that ‘all areas are well represented’ if this is the case
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jul 7, 2024 7:02:07 GMT
South Kerry is a massive worry alright. The secondary school has halved its numbers in a short space of time.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 7, 2024 9:10:29 GMT
Let’s not mix up rural population decline in areas, that’s one for your TDs down SK , the Healy Rae.
I stand over my comments, still a good spread and a county team represents the best PLAYERS, the days of selectors having his one or 2 on the panel are well gone , so I think we should be happy with the selection process, love to see SK players like Sheenan, fitz and others come out of SK, unfortunately there probably is a better SK team in Australia then there is in SK due to emigration.
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Post by Premier on Jul 7, 2024 17:29:09 GMT
Let’s not mix up rural population decline in areas, that’s one for your TDs down SK , the Healy Rae. I stand over my comments, still a good spread and a county team represents the best PLAYERS, the days of selectors having his one or 2 on the panel are well gone , so I think we should be happy with the selection process, love to see SK players like Sheenan, fitz and others come out of SK, unfortunately there probably is a better SK team in Australia then there is in SK due to emigration. Fair enough about SK having a better team abroad than at home but that does not excuse having zero minors this year, or last year. That’s a coaching and structural issue
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Post by mike70 on Jul 7, 2024 21:49:11 GMT
Let’s not mix up rural population decline in areas, that’s one for your TDs down SK , the Healy Rae. I stand over my comments, still a good spread and a county team represents the best PLAYERS, the days of selectors having his one or 2 on the panel are well gone , so I think we should be happy with the selection process, love to see SK players like Sheenan, fitz and others come out of SK, unfortunately there probably is a better SK team in Australia then there is in SK due to emigration. Fair enough about SK having a better team abroad than at home but that does not excuse having zero minors this year, or last year. That’s a coaching and structural issue I am not close enough to comment on SK coaching levels, coaching is critical for the younger age group, to keep them interested, in agreement on that.
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 8, 2024 8:10:02 GMT
People saying there has to be more players from SK is like when people were calling for more players from NK. You can’t just start picking players from areas just for the sake of it if they're not good enough.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jul 8, 2024 8:33:14 GMT
That's not the point. It's concerning that South Kerry have nobody on those panels. In fairness with development squads etc there isn't too much talent being missed.
An area that large, notwithstanding the lack of population and with the rich heritage of great footballers, it's worrying when the supply line dries up.
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Post by glengael on Jul 8, 2024 9:07:41 GMT
Yes, I get that you're not suggesting tokenism and having players from an area on the panel just so that area is represented. The appointment of a demographics officer by the county board is a sign of where we are at generally.
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