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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 20, 2024 12:11:39 GMT
Beautiful day at the foot of the Sliabh Mish. Hope it keeps up for a few days
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Post by thehermit on Apr 20, 2024 14:21:09 GMT
A day borrowed from July as Weeshie would say, God rest him.
Scotts is hopping in the sun and the pints are sinking easy. Massive shower from over the border descending judging by this place.
See ye inside, An Riocht Abu!!!
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Post by chicago09 on Apr 20, 2024 14:52:50 GMT
The main thing I’m looking at is the three lads starting their first championship games Burke Seán O’Brien and Joe O’Connor. Great to have new lads so really that’s the big reason I’m watching to see how they do. Jack says there is a stronger panel this year but remember him saying the same last year so we will see. It’s Cork though not the biggest test but it’s the experience of the championship is a big step.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Apr 20, 2024 15:40:03 GMT
That was rubbish we seem to be playing with no attacking plan at all get Moynihan off at half time offering nothing joe in midfield as well a passenger get geaney Barry Dan and killian on for his brother
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Post by seaniebo on Apr 20, 2024 16:49:37 GMT
Whatever is made of this encounter you have to credit Cork for making it a right old battle. The championship needs Cork and I'm sure they'll be secretly delighted with their outing.
Kerry looked extremely rusty and this game won't go astray to sharpen them up. Some of the handling errors were of the criminal variety. Kerry have an awful lot of work to do. We were opened up far too easily. A better team would have reaped the rewards. Lot to mull over for the Kerry management.
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Post by chicago09 on Apr 20, 2024 18:06:45 GMT
Hope that is the dirty petrol Dara used to talk about
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 20, 2024 18:13:23 GMT
Whatever is made of this encounter you have to credit Cork for making it a right old battle. The championship needs Cork and I'm sure they'll be secretly delighted with their outing. Kerry looked extremely rusty and this game won't go astray to sharpen them up. Some of the handling errors were of the criminal variety. Kerry have an awful lot of work to do. We were opened up far too easily. A better team would have reaped the rewards. Lot to mull over for the Kerry management. Im not so sure Seanie.A lot of Cork people were hoping for win today and tbh I was worried too.I was expecting a tight game and If Cork did nt go so defensive in 2 nd half they might have won.Relieved at the win but still very worried bout our prospects.
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Post by dp90 on Apr 20, 2024 18:25:42 GMT
That was rubbish we seem to be playing with no attacking plan at all get Moynihan off at half time offering nothing joe in midfield as well a passenger get geaney Barry Dan and killian on for his brother Very harsh on Dara. Thought he was one of Kerry's better performers and scored 2 lovely points.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Apr 20, 2024 18:37:46 GMT
I wrote that at halftime they were all pretty average today but hopefully jack has now seen you can’t play Moynihan and Adrian in the same forward line
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Post by thepope on Apr 20, 2024 18:56:13 GMT
Beautiful day for a game after what seems like constant rain since last October.
Wouldn't read too much into today's game in either a positive or negative sense. The pattern of this game and our approach as a team are pretty consistent now with about a year.
Cork were always going to give it a rattle. Surprised to see they were found wanting for fitness and started to slow down even before HT. That said, it took us a while to take a 2nd half lead but once we did we weren't in any real danger of losing.
Tom O'Sullivan and Graham O'Sullivan put in very good performances. Taking the game to Cork and 4 points between them. Good to see Tom steady and open his body up for a couple of his scores as the sliced effort he favours has a bigger room for error.
Our kickouts were the usual fare from us. We'll probably get put under pressure on kickouts at some stage in the championship and we can only hope it isn't critical when it happens.
Jury is still out on midfield. We'll need to see them again in Croke Park before we can evaluate. I still have concerns about mobility there.
In the forwards. Thought Cillian Burke was doing ok, 2 turnovers if memory serves but he's not had the S&C work of others so we'll have to be patient there. Unless he took a knock, we might have given him 10 more, 2nd half minutes.
Thought Paudie carried a lot of ball and is always crucial to how we play. Dara Moynihan kicked 2 pts and, again, we have to be realistic as to the contribution he'll make, couldn't really fault him. Adrian will be disappointed with how his day went for him.
Seanie did well, he's still pulling efforts from ground frees- dunno if he's carrying a long-standing injury that's impeding him.
David Clifford was closely marked for the full game and screened in the 2nd half. Basic errors have crept into David's play which is a worry. Dunno if the issue is in his head or what's going on. We are winning nothing without David flowing freely.
Anyway, we continue on. We won't get the answers we need as to where we stand until sometime in June. My gut still tells me we'll be short of winning it out.
Ciarraí Abú as always.
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Post by dp90 on Apr 20, 2024 18:56:26 GMT
I wrote that at halftime they were all pretty average today but hopefully jack has now seen you can’t play Moynihan and Adrian in the same forward line [br Agreed on that. Would prefer to see Killian or Geaney starting in the corner and either Adrian or Dara on the wing.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 20, 2024 18:57:12 GMT
Hope that is the dirty petrol Dara used to talk about Aye dirty diesel abounding today from the Kingdom. Not often you'd be thinking if David was taken off you wouldn't be complaining.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Apr 20, 2024 19:04:36 GMT
The one thing that infuriates me about this Kerry team is the amount of times they attack down into the corner forward position then end up recycling it back out to the 45 again it happens so many times when a good quick kick pass directly in would take out so many defenders
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Post by homerj on Apr 20, 2024 19:06:01 GMT
Jack will be very happy with that. A good test and a win. Plenty to work on and a few weeks now to work on things.
Winning that by 7 or 8 points would be worthless. Any day you beat Cork, is a good day.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 20, 2024 19:21:44 GMT
I was reared on wanting to see Cork lose so I'm happy with that. A hiding by Kerry wouldn't have suited us to see our faults and I'd rather a Kerry win than a loss to learn our faults. Cork gave us a few questions and hopefully it's something we learn from. Cork will need to continue this into the Summer or it's been a waste for them. I think the game will stand to both counties this year.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 20, 2024 19:44:46 GMT
Overall an average performance team wise div1 fitness and better bench swung it in the end. On the positives thought murphy Graham and Tom sull were good at the back. Thought moynihan was decent 2 points aswell.
Seanie man of match for me derry losing makes the group stage very interesting..
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Post by Premier on Apr 20, 2024 19:45:11 GMT
Shane Ryan- Very good throughout. Couple of very good kick outs when cork put on a press. Easier for him in the 2nd half. Paul Murphy- Exceptional. Continues to defy the doubters. He’s a match for any forward as long as he can compete with them physically. Morley- Struggled on Hurley. Stated afterwards he was only back from injury. He’ll be hoping Jason is back sooner than later. Tom- Excellent once again. Never gave Corbett a kick and took him on a tour of the field for 3 points Graham- Very good again. Could have been in for goal first half. Kicked a very good point at an important stage. White- Wasn’t in the game much. Couple of bad turnovers, suited more to the wing O’Brien- Anonymous really when he was on. Bit like the Derry game where he just seemed as if he didn’t touch the ball. DOC- Didn’t offer that much. Can’t remember anything notable either good or bad but would expect more JOC- Similar to Diarmuid, no huge effect or influence on the game Spillane- Struggled again. Very poor effort for a point off his left. Unless he’s getting 2/3 turnovers he doesn’t seem to offer much Paudie- Uncharacteristic mistakes all through really. Left about 1-3 after him. Burke- Thought he was doing okay. A lot of ball was going down his and SOB’s side and he struggled from there Clifford- Never has he had so many basic handling errors. Still kicked 3 from play and won the last free after all the possession to tie it up at the end. Moynihan- Kicked 2 very good points. Did what everyone has asked him to do in terms of adding scores to his game. Geaney- Mixed the good with the bad. Nice assist for Moynihan point and punched his own one. Bad miss from top of the D and terrible ball into Clifford down the line. SOB- Had one good turnover on Taylor. Not much for an offensive point of view Breen- Involved in the 2nd last point to win the free Brosnan- Suited for the keep ball style at the end. Barry Dan- N/A
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Post by legendz on Apr 20, 2024 20:16:28 GMT
Should have been a Munster final today really. Clare beating Waterford to make the All-Ireland series is ridiculous. Good to get a good game today anyway. Nothing is learned from the one sided games.
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Post by seaniebo on Apr 20, 2024 20:30:55 GMT
Whatever is made of this encounter you have to credit Cork for making it a right old battle. The championship needs Cork and I'm sure they'll be secretly delighted with their outing. Kerry looked extremely rusty and this game won't go astray to sharpen them up. Some of the handling errors were of the criminal variety. Kerry have an awful lot of work to do. We were opened up far too easily. A better team would have reaped the rewards. Lot to mull over for the Kerry management. Im not so sure Seanie.A lot of Cork people were hoping for win today and tbh I was worried too.I was expecting a tight game and If Cork did nt go so defensive in 2 nd half they might have won.Relieved at the win but still very worried bout our prospects. Yeah I agree Mick. I think Cork played into our hands in the 2nd half. It might be a fitness issue for them. They threw the kitchen sink at us in the 1st half and they couldn't keep that level of intensity up. I was hoping for a bit more from Kerry to be honest. However it was a performance akin to what we've seen so far in 2024. It's hard to know where we're at. I don't think any of us learned a whole pile after today only that Kerry are just not 'at it'. Early days yet of course but the trend is beginning to cause worry.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 20, 2024 20:32:10 GMT
A win is a win but let's behonest it was far from good.
Our FB line looked in big trouble with the exception of Paul Murphy who was immense.
Midfield cleaned out in FH on both kickouts.
David Clifford is Kerrys finest footballer but his form this year is arguably his worst since becoming a senior.
Seanie / Tom Sullivan going forward / Paul Murphy all exceptional.
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Post by clarinman on Apr 20, 2024 20:35:34 GMT
Should have been a Munster final today really. Clare beating Waterford to make the All-Ireland series is ridiculous. Good to get a good game today anyway. Nothing is learned from the one sided games. Clare did beat Cork in the Munster semi last year.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 20, 2024 20:46:22 GMT
Should have been a Munster final today really. Clare beating Waterford to make the All-Ireland series is ridiculous. Good to get a good game today anyway. Nothing is learned from the one sided games. Clare did beat Cork in the Munster semi last year. Yeah I think that's unfair Clare had a solid league and deserve their place in the All Ireland.
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Post by kerry4sam88 on Apr 20, 2024 22:09:56 GMT
A win is a win as they say but truth be told that display wouldn't be giving sleepness nights to the likes of a Farrell, Harte or a McGuinness.
I think we all knew Cork were going to try and lay down a marker early and was not at all surprised by there first half display. What was surprising however as mentioned by a number of posters is our handling errors by a number of the players with David the biggest culprit. Thought Dan O' Mahony had an excellent game on him but whatever it is with David and the sight of a Cork Jersey if memory serves me right I'm struggling to think of a game where he has shot the lights out against his direct opponent.
I don't know was it just my eyesight but I actually thought the pitch in the first half seemed to be the biggest factor with regards David turning over possession so cheaply it looked like a beach at the times the amount of sand that was popping up particularly down the terrace side. That's still not an excuse for a player of David's calibre.
What is so infuriating and its a constant bug bearer of mine is our a build up play at times can be so pedestrian and lethargic looking at times. Cork got great joy in the first half when they moved the ball quickly yet when we over turned possession we tended to go lateral than putting foot to ball and leaving it off to the poachers inside. Theres a time and place to being patient and working the opening but I thought in the first half when we won back possession we needed to move the ball quickly. But this isn't the first time nor the last we will see this I'm afraid.
With regards the play towards the end of the game when we held the ball for what must be nearly the bones of 4 minutes or there abouts while it's so infuriating to watch I've to admit it was quite impressive. Our composure and willingness to keep it going even when the boos started ringing out. Its a play Dublin in their pomp would be proud of and I think its clear to see we've done a lot of work on this state of play and when it comes to winning the big prizes the top teams need that level of composure to take the sting out of the game and the opposition.
While we were nowhere near an All Ireland winning performance special shout out to Paul Murphy, Tom Sullivan, Graham in the second half and Seanie throughout thought they were our best players today and can be very pleased with their own personal performance.
Onwards and upwards we go and with all due respect to Clare I think we all know that bigger tests lie ahead so plenty to work on for sure and if we are to make any mark on this year's championship then getting Jason Foley back fit in time for the start of the All Ireland series is absolutely pivotal.
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Post by john4 on Apr 20, 2024 22:27:55 GMT
Re, the ball handling today. I've played and coached on newly sanded pitches and whatever the reaction is between sand and O'Neill's footballs, the ball is absolute glass. If it was raining it wouldn't be half as bad.
I've sympathy for both teams re this.
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 20, 2024 22:38:30 GMT
Beautiful day for a game after what seems like constant rain since last October. Wouldn't read too much into today's game in either a positive or negative sense. The pattern of this game and our approach as a team are pretty consistent now with about a year. Cork were always going to give it a rattle. Surprised to see they were found wanting for fitness and started to slow down even before HT. That said, it took us a while to take a 2nd half lead but once we did we weren't in any real danger of losing. Tom O'Sullivan and Graham O'Sullivan put in very good performances. Taking the game to Cork and 4 points between them. Good to see Tom steady and open his body up for a couple of his scores as the sliced effort he favours has a bigger room for error. Our kickouts were the usual fare from us. We'll probably get put under pressure on kickouts at some stage in the championship and we can only hope it isn't critical when it happens. Jury is still out on midfield. We'll need to see them again in Croke Park before we can evaluate. I still have concerns about mobility there. In the forwards. Thought Cillian Burke was doing ok, 2 turnovers if memory serves but he's not had the S&C work of others so we'll have to be patient there. Unless he took a knock, we might have given him 10 more, 2nd half minutes. Thought Paudie carried a lot of ball and is always crucial to how we play. Dara Moynihan kicked 2 pts and, again, we have to be realistic as to the contribution he'll make, couldn't really fault him. Adrian will be disappointed with how his day went for him. Seanie did well, he's still pulling efforts from ground frees- dunno if he's carrying a long-standing injury that's impeding him. David Clifford was closely marked for the full game and screened in the 2nd half. Basic errors have crept into David's play which is a worry. Dunno if the issue is in his head or what's going on. We are winning nothing without David flowing freely. Anyway, we continue on. We won't get the answers we need as to where we stand until sometime in June. My gut still tells me we'll be short of winning it out. Ciarraí Abú as always. Thoughts like my own.On David he never seems to have a big game v Cork and now after being built up so much his mistakes are more noticeable.I was really hoping he d have a big game today and maybe score a goal.David has never scored a championship goal v Cork or Dublin or finals etc.However form is temporary and class is permanent so the class will win out.Like you I think we will struggle with the bigger teams as midfield dont seem to be up to it when we play against top ten midfielders(I would have Ian Maguire in top ten).I still worry about our managements strategy.
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 20, 2024 22:41:07 GMT
Im not so sure Seanie.A lot of Cork people were hoping for win today and tbh I was worried too.I was expecting a tight game and If Cork did nt go so defensive in 2 nd half they might have won.Relieved at the win but still very worried bout our prospects. Yeah I agree Mick. I think Cork played into our hands in the 2nd half. It might be a fitness issue for them. They threw the kitchen sink at us in the 1st half and they couldn't keep that level of intensity up. I was hoping for a bit more from Kerry to be honest. However it was a performance akin to what we've seen so far in 2024. It's hard to know where we're at. I don't think any of us learned a whole pile after today only that Kerry are just not 'at it'. Early days yet of course but the trend is beginning to cause worry. Yes Seanie I have nt been filled with confidence this year so far.For me we will not win Sam this year unless the management find a way to play with a bit more adventure but maybe Tally does nt like that .
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Post by homerj on Apr 20, 2024 23:35:05 GMT
Yeah I agree Mick. I think Cork played into our hands in the 2nd half. It might be a fitness issue for them. They threw the kitchen sink at us in the 1st half and they couldn't keep that level of intensity up. I was hoping for a bit more from Kerry to be honest. However it was a performance akin to what we've seen so far in 2024. It's hard to know where we're at. I don't think any of us learned a whole pile after today only that Kerry are just not 'at it'. Early days yet of course but the trend is beginning to cause worry. Yes Seanie I have nt been filled with confidence this year so far.For me we will not win Sam this year unless the management find a way to play with a bit more adventure but maybe Tally does nt like that . Define playing with adventure? We are the 2nd last all Ireland champions and lost the last final to a team that played with 0 adventure. I honestly don't get this criticism of management team and this need/want to be some special footballing team when the way the game is gone dictates what's needed to win games. There's no point leaving 6 lads up if we are being battered on counter attack and sucker punched like we were in 2020 and 2021. Cork played negatively for most of today and we still got 18 scores. A bit of perspective is needed it's still April and no AI were ever won in April in the modern generation
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 20, 2024 23:36:07 GMT
That was what the English would call a "proper" championship game. In fairness to both teams for most of the game they played good honest football. It was like a game from decades ago.
I have commented a lot on teams training during the league and not being ready for games. Last Monday in his column in the Examiner after Dublin sluggishly got past Meath, Eamonn said that it was likely they were after a block of training. I would have thought the heavy training was done. Kerry are likely on a similar training schedule. I think they are entitled to a general dispensation for being equally sluggish today. When needed in the second half they showed the resilience required.
Some of the comments about David are clearly by people who never kicked a ball in their lives.
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Post by homerj on Apr 20, 2024 23:51:30 GMT
Great Post ^^^
There's also the fact that all players,not just Kerry, have had to content with record rainfall (heavy pitches) along with record injury lists and 7 games shoved into 8 weeks.
We need to peak in 5 weeks time,not in April.
Look at Derry today!
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Post by kerrysouth on Apr 21, 2024 1:02:13 GMT
Cork did not set up negatively today indeed they left o mahony 1v 1 v Clifford for most of the first half .They did retreat into their shell in the second half possibly fatigue and defending too deep allowed Kerry pick off enough scores to win the game.I don’t subscribe to this Paul Murphy wonder game as Chris O Jones burned him for pace on a few occasions and should have scored a goal from his point chance that he took in the first half .Jack will be pleased with the win but he will know this type of performance will not win Sam .Like the 20s on weds there is an alarming lack of pace in this team and with our suspect midfield and having to play 3 orthodox midfielders we struggle for scores especially if David or Seanie are held .White totally neutralised Powter and his early substitution was a huge blow to cork so huge plaudits to Jack for getting that match up correct.Brian Hurley destroyed Morley who is not at the level required for inter county full back so lessons learned today .Clare next and we know that their management will set up negatively and ultra defensive so be ready for a borefest and arm wrestle before eventually breaking them down .I still think it will be the knockout stages before we see the best of this team and big question then will it be enough to land Sam ..
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