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Post by paudief on Mar 23, 2024 17:47:55 GMT
This experimental selection by Jack is such a deviation from the Jack we know that he must have something in his head and it can only be avoiding the league final. He will surely be getting updates during the game. There is no point in analysing the team too much. A few will be getting rid of the winter cobwebs and a few will have a chance to show what they can do in a pressure free environment. arent the odds stacked against us reaching the league final even if we win?? I reckon Jack has pencilled in this match a long way back to give lads game time no matter what the situ was
Looking at the table:
I suppose the best chance is Tyrone beating Dublin (and Kerry beating Galway), or Kerry bettering Dublin's result some way.
Tyrone are 4/1 to beat Dublin. So you're looking at 80-90% a Dublin-Derry final, and about 10-20% a Kerry-Derry final.
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Post by chicago09 on Mar 24, 2024 13:22:36 GMT
Very quiet around. Is the game still on
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 24, 2024 13:31:49 GMT
Must be that folks here fii in figure were not trying today Just giving lads that need minutes a run Maybe that explains it
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Post by kerryblueboy on Mar 24, 2024 14:05:29 GMT
What brand of *e are we trying to play here handpass sideways handpass backwards awful stuff
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Post by chicago09 on Mar 24, 2024 14:21:46 GMT
Hope jack give them a good run here these lads need minutes.
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Post by southward on Mar 24, 2024 14:28:42 GMT
Confined to barracks for this one.
Jesus Christ, this constant switching over to other games during play is infuriating. It's making it unwatchable. Either show the game or don't, lads.
Joe O'Connor having a great game.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Mar 24, 2024 14:31:07 GMT
Joe is playing really well our play is just so slow Sean o is inside with his hand up all day with no ball going in
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 24, 2024 14:33:15 GMT
A Kerry team starting without the Clifford brothers against an injury hit and limited Galway team were just wallowing in mediocrity for most of that first half but got going in the last 10 minutes of that half, and being more direct managed to hit the front. We’d be better off not playing the Clifford’s at all today in my view, and this will force others to keep taking on responsibility or be found out.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 24, 2024 14:33:51 GMT
Killian and Joe o connor playing well beyond that not a lot to talk about
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Post by paudief on Mar 24, 2024 14:34:10 GMT
Very good half from Killian Spillane, he needs to start from here on out.
Defenders are having it handy enough in the absence of Comer & Shane Walsh, hard to read too much in to that performance, but getting some good turnovers.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 24, 2024 14:41:53 GMT
Confined to barracks for this one. Jesus Christ, this constant switching over to other games during play is infuriating. It's making it unwatchable. Either show the game or don't, lads. Joe O'Connor having a great game. Agree, and definitely no point showing us anymore of Dubs vs Tyrone, as you can stick a fork in that one. I wonder if Derry's season might implode if they took a bad beating off the Dubs in a league final? The regenerated and only improving Dubs are handing out reality checks all season. A discussion for another day of course.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 24, 2024 14:50:52 GMT
Couple of lovely scores by Heinrich and Geaney for Kerry, just when I thought this game was going to hand pass me to sleep!
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 24, 2024 14:55:25 GMT
What is the point in bringing on the Clifford brothers today? Seriously!!
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Post by kerryblueboy on Mar 24, 2024 14:55:45 GMT
Why take off Heinrich who was playing well leave him on take off Murphy or Morley game is drifting to a Kerry win leave the squad players get game time
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 24, 2024 15:20:55 GMT
Confined to barracks for this one. Jesus Christ, this constant switching over to other games during play is infuriating. It's making it unwatchable. Either show the game or don't, lads. Joe O'Connor having a great game. Agree, and definitely no point showing us anymore of Dubs vs Tyrone, as you can stick a fork in that one. I wonder if Derry's season might implode if they took a bad beating off the Dubs in a league final? The regenerated and only improving Dubs are handing out reality checks all season. A discussion for another day of course. I'd be of the opposite view, and posted this on another thread Tg4 are showing every other provider how to do it, one game live, cameras and commentators in every other venue with update as the games unfold. That's the way big gaa days should be broadcasted. Hats off again TG4... well done
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Post by exiled on Mar 24, 2024 15:22:50 GMT
DOC will find it hard to come back into midfield. Barry Dan very good today for 50 minutes. Killian Spillane pushing for a start too.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 24, 2024 15:23:05 GMT
I am actually angry after watching that.
Absolutely no need to bring the Clifford's or Graham O Sullivan.
Leave the lads on they were doing fine.
Absolutely pointless.
On a side note Joe O Connor excellent.
Killian Spillane needs to convert more of those easier chances.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Mar 24, 2024 15:30:11 GMT
Almost threw it away at the end with a couple of bad short kick outs madness by jack bringing on the 3 lads we were well on top and struggled after
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Post by chicago09 on Mar 24, 2024 15:47:43 GMT
He can’t help himself can he I could see obeaglaioch coming in but the two boys complete waste I would like to see more of Buckley even though he got on a lot of ball for about the fifteen minutes he was there. Heinrich did play most of the game he looks like a county player if ye know what I mean and also Seán O’Brien played a lot of minutes. If it wasn’t for injuries we wouldn’t have seen them.
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 24, 2024 16:13:21 GMT
Imo the two best teams in the country are in the league final.I think Kerry are number 3.I think we have regressed while Derry and Dublin in particular have got stronger.If Dubs stay injury free I cant see them losing the All Ireland.Our style of play suits Dublin down to the ground.Slow slow build up that gives the opposition loads of time to filter back.In the first half today on a few occasions Dara Roche Seanie and Killian showing for the ball but we go sideways and backwards.Dubs play keep ball too but spot the forwards who show.I genuinely think we are slowly becoming more and morw negative.Also like a few others im upset at managements substitutions.Why bring off Heinrich or Roche for that matter.On the league final subject this narrative of teams not wanting to be in it is comical and watching Jack on sideline today he wanted us to win bigtime .Dublin and Derry want a final too and winning a league title is worth alot.Both Dubs and Derry are competing in a league final 2 years in a row (albeit last year was div 2)and as Ive posted before it did nt do them any harm.While I was happy enough today Im a bit gloomy about our championship hopes as I genuinely think Jack does nt learn from his mistakes.We will need alot of luck to reclaim Sam and mark my words if we dont start giving quicker ball to our ff line then Cork can shock us in Killarney.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 24, 2024 16:25:11 GMT
I think of all years we can be thankful that Munster is terrible this year given our injury list.
The positives from the league for me,
Joe OConnor Cillian Burke Sean O Brien
The negatives are we looked slow and ponderous and that game in Croke Park will sit in the memory bank.
Dublin are in the driving seat and your only hope would be that the have a dip in form because Kerry would have to play to the max of their abilities and hope Dublin don't.
I'm not convinced about Derry but of all goes to plan they would face Dublin in a semi final.
Normally I am very optimistic evert year before the championship but I'm not this year.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 24, 2024 16:38:31 GMT
I saw a few green shoots today We now have three midfielders Joe ,Barry Dan and DOC And we need those three and more I’d rather they do not try force DOC on as 10 or 12 I don’t believe He’s a natural winger he now has to fight his way back in to the 8 or 9 slot and be prepared to be coming in off the bench if he recovers from injury
also great to see 1 Heinrich get minutes 2 BOB looks like he means business this year and gives us a great option 3 the Beaufort wing back seems to be settling in good 4 joe o Connor if we had him v Dublin in last years final could have been a different story. 4 new faces mentioned there alone All young all with pace and power Wait till the cuckoo comes we’ll be a different animal then so long as we keep the Youth and pace either on or close to hand .
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Post by thepope on Mar 24, 2024 16:52:25 GMT
Well that's the end of the campaign. Plenty information for management to be pouring over.
I think we're the 3rd best team in the country. Dublin look out on their own, ahead of Derry.
The Jacks are back and look scarily strong again considering they barely/didn't use Cluxton, Fitzsimmons, McCarthy, McCaffrey, Mansion, Basquel and I'm possibly forgetting another 1 or 2. Ominously, Con looks like a force again and they're scoring goals for fun. Also Kilkenny seems to be back to his best after bouts of losing form last year but he still turned up for the '23 final. Scary.
Our league has been mixed. We've found good potential in Cillian Burke and Seán O'Brien.
The injury to Jason Foley was the biggest blow and hopefully it's not season-ending.
We experimented with Seanie at FF. I'd like to see him there but we struggle in the middle third without him. Take the Dublin game, for example, we weren't long moving him back to the middle third as we struggled on kickouts in the first half. So Seanie is probably back to 11 for championship.
We are back to butchering goal chances which is a worry. Hopefully we can sort this out but it has been a historal weakness of ours going back a few years.
I fear regarding our mobility in the middle third on harder summer ground. We could get cleaned in midfield and resort to short kickouts, making a long field for ourselves. Sadly Okunbor has gone another campaign without the opportunity to show what he can do. Ruairi Murphy too who was often a first sub last summer.
We still look slow and ponderous in attack. Again turning a lot of ball over vs. Galway and turning a comfortable lead into a 2-point win.
Killian turned up today and showed again that, on form, he's our next best score taker. Can we get a full summer out of his undoubted talent?
Championship team:
1. Shane Ryan 2. Graham O'Sullivan 3. Jason Foley (hopefully) 4. Tom O'Sullivan 5. Brian O'Beaglaíoch 6. Tadhg Morley 7. Gavin White 8. Diarmuid O'Connor 9. Joe O'Connor 10. Dara Moynihan 11. Seán O'Shea 12. Cillian Burke 13. Killian Spillane 14. David Clifford 15. Paudie Clifford (to play as a 4th half forward)
Here's hoping.
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Post by seaniebo on Mar 24, 2024 17:03:49 GMT
Agreed regarding the introduction of the Clifford's. Pointless.
Very impressed with our midfield today and in particular Joe O Connor. His graph is certainly going in the right direction. Long may that last.
I agree with Collinsworth. Joe could have made the difference in last year's final.
I don't quite share the gloomy outlook as some posters have expressed. Yes the ponderous slow build up is infuriating. To be fair the weather conditions at times during the league were pretty appalling and it almost sets up the game to be slow and ponderous before a ball is thrown in with bodies upon bodies behind the ball. When the ground eventually gets a break from the rain I expect to see a more slicker version of football which we displayed at times during the League.
The greatest irk I have is the now free flowing goalie tactic. Almost every county has deployed this nowadays. Monkey see monkey do stuff. As if there weren't enough players outfield already. It's an absolute blight on the game. Shane Ryan came within an inch of embarrassment with a needless gander out the pitch at the end. No more please Shane going forward!
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Post by kerryblueboy on Mar 24, 2024 17:09:44 GMT
Well that's the end of the campaign. Plenty information for management to be pouring over. I think we're the 3rd best team in the country. Dublin look out on their own, ahead of Derry. The Jacks are back and look scarily strong again considering they barely/didn't use Cluxton, Fitzsimmons, McCarthy, McCaffrey, Mansion, Basquel and I'm possibly forgetting another 1 or 2. Ominously, Con looks like a force again and they're scoring goals for fun. Also Kilkenny seems to be back to his best after bouts of losing form last year but he still turned up for the '23 final. Scary. Our league has been mixed. We've found good potential in Cillian Burke and Seán O'Brien. The injury to Jason Foley was the biggest blow and hopefully it's not season-ending. We experimented with Seanie at FF. I'd like to see him there but we struggle in the middle third without him. Take the Dublin game, for example, we weren't long moving him back to the middle third as we struggled on kickouts in the first half. So Seanie is probably back to 11 for championship. We are back to butchering goal chances which is a worry. Hopefully we can sort this out but it has been a historal weakness of ours going back a few years. I fear regarding our mobility in the middle third on harder summer ground. We could get cleaned in midfield and resort to short kickouts, making a long field for ourselves. Sadly Okunbor has gone another campaign without the opportunity to show what he can do. Ruairi Murphy too who was often a first sub last summer. We still look slow and ponderous in attack. Again turning a lot of ball over vs. Galway and turning a comfortable lead into a 2-point win. Killian turned up today and showed again that, on form, he's our next best score taker. Can we get a full summer out of his undoubted talent? Championship team: 1. Shane Ryan 2. Graham O'Sullivan 3. Jason Foley (hopefully) 4. Tom O'Sullivan 5. Brian O'Beaglaíoch 6. Tadhg Morley 7. Gavin White 8. Diarmuid O'Connor 9. Joe O'Connor 10. Dara Moynihan 11. Seán O'Shea 12. Cillian Burke 13. Killian Spillane 14. David Clifford 15. Paudie Clifford (to play as a 4th half forward) Here's hoping. id agree with this team but would put a Spillane in instead of Moynihan and Dylan or Paul geaney instead of killian who I think is a great impact sub to have
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Post by seaniebo on Mar 24, 2024 17:14:09 GMT
Well that's the end of the campaign. Plenty information for management to be pouring over. I think we're the 3rd best team in the country. Dublin look out on their own, ahead of Derry. The Jacks are back and look scarily strong again considering they barely/didn't use Cluxton, Fitzsimmons, McCarthy, McCaffrey, Mansion, Basquel and I'm possibly forgetting another 1 or 2. Ominously, Con looks like a force again and they're scoring goals for fun. Also Kilkenny seems to be back to his best after bouts of losing form last year but he still turned up for the '23 final. Scary. Our league has been mixed. We've found good potential in Cillian Burke and Seán O'Brien. The injury to Jason Foley was the biggest blow and hopefully it's not season-ending. We experimented with Seanie at FF. I'd like to see him there but we struggle in the middle third without him. Take the Dublin game, for example, we weren't long moving him back to the middle third as we struggled on kickouts in the first half. So Seanie is probably back to 11 for championship. We are back to butchering goal chances which is a worry. Hopefully we can sort this out but it has been a historal weakness of ours going back a few years. I fear regarding our mobility in the middle third on harder summer ground. We could get cleaned in midfield and resort to short kickouts, making a long field for ourselves. Sadly Okunbor has gone another campaign without the opportunity to show what he can do. Ruairi Murphy too who was often a first sub last summer. We still look slow and ponderous in attack. Again turning a lot of ball over vs. Galway and turning a comfortable lead into a 2-point win. Killian turned up today and showed again that, on form, he's our next best score taker. Can we get a full summer out of his undoubted talent? Championship team: 1. Shane Ryan 2. Graham O'Sullivan 3. Jason Foley (hopefully) 4. Tom O'Sullivan 5. Brian O'Beaglaíoch 6. Tadhg Morley 7. Gavin White 8. Diarmuid O'Connor 9. Joe O'Connor 10. Dara Moynihan 11. Seán O'Shea 12. Cillian Burke 13. Killian Spillane 14. David Clifford 15. Paudie Clifford (to play as a 4th half forward) Here's hoping. I agree Pope. I'd love to see a full forward line of Clifford and Seanie Shea. But for me it's a non-runner. I feel and have felt for a long time that it's almost like we're programmed to look up and find only David Clifford. Especially when it comes to the crunch as it did in last year's All Ireland. We simply cannot afford to have Seanie on the periphery so for me it's Seanie at 11 as well.
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Post by southward on Mar 24, 2024 17:43:55 GMT
A few positives today. Joe and Barry Dan were very good - destroyed Galway at M/F and Joe in particular seemed to be everywhere. Sean O'Brien growing into the role and no shortage of confidence. Heinrich looked the part as well, took a nice point too.
On the minus side, our shooting was poor enough; Galway's was better today. O'Shea's accuracy from frees seems to have nosedived - just a dip in confidence for whatever reason? Shane is usually so assured but didn't cover himself in glory at the end today; there's a fine line between confidence & complacency but sure no harm to get a reminder today and not later in the year.
Two more farcical marks gave handed Galway a couple of freebie points early on - this rule just has to go.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 24, 2024 17:49:36 GMT
First up, and for many reasons, I don't expect any side to get near Dublin this year, and have made my peace with it.
This being said, I just want to watch my beloved Kerry team playing attacking adventurous football on the front foot and going for it, like they have nothing to lose anyway! I'm sick of the boring sideways hand pass you to death ball game.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 24, 2024 19:04:31 GMT
1. Shane Ryan 2. Graham O'Sullivan 3. Jason Foley (hopefully) 4. Tom O'Sullivan 5. Brian O'Beaglaíoch 6. Tadhg Morley 7. Gavin White 8. Diarmuid O'Connor 9. Joe O'Connor 10. Dara Moynihan 11. Seán O'Shea 12. Cillian Burke 13. Killian Spillane 14. David Clifford 15. Paudie Clifford (to play as a 4th half forward) Here's hoping. That would also be my selection except I would start Barry Dan over Moynihan with Joe going to wing forward but really playing as a 3rd midfielder with Paudie coming out to wing forward. It’d give us extra size around the middle which is needed on kick outs. Bench 16. Shane Murphy 17. Stephen O’Brien 18. Paul Geaney 19. Dara Moynihan 20. Paul Murphy 21. Sean O’Brien 22. Adrian Spillane 23. Mike Breen 24. Dylan Casey 25. Dylan Geaney 26. Tony Brosnan
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Post by mike70 on Mar 24, 2024 19:48:43 GMT
End of league report card, a few positives in the league for sure, namely Sean o brien, Cillian Burke from the newbies , with Joe and Dan delivering solid performances I lar na pairce.
As mentioned above the foley injury is worrying and also we are third team behind Derry and dublin.
I just hope we can maintain some strength in depth for the championship ahead, we will compete with any first 15, but we need impact off the bench, to now it’s been pretty poor.
The middle 8 by Dublin and Derry is ahead of us, we need to improve here with the incumbents, we have struggled with every team that have deployed a defensive system, namely Dublin and Derry .
Overall we have a settled team bar 2 or 3, our friends over the border are improving , roll on the 20th April.
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