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Post by hurlingman on Feb 24, 2024 21:12:45 GMT
Dublin missing 7 starters from last years all Ireland and will likely have them back in July. We are close to full strength. Worrying. Probably the 2 Clifford’s worst Kerry match. No harm in that, only getting back after long lay off, adrenaline took them through the mayo game. Morley at CB worrying, dublin cut down the middle numerous times. This Morley sweeping thing won’t work anymore. Morley legs look cooked. New 6 needed it seems. Management look baffled on sideline, things look stale. Dylan casey, some laud him here, decent club player whose status was elevated during Austin stacks ultra defensive 2021 campaign. Seems to nice of a lad too, not up to the level unfortunately. Begley needs coming back asap. Paul Murphy needs to start, yet still relying on him 10 years later. Not good. Paul geaney and Stephen o brien at 33 are 2 players we need back to start this team. Again not a good sign. Cillian Burke only new player that’s up to the level. With all the coaching and systems and tactics we hear about, why can’t we come up with a system that gets the best out of David Clifford instead of hoping he does something out of this world? Worrying. Looks like come July we will need start the same team except Burke in for Moynihan at wing forward. Bit unfair to say Burke is the only one up to it at this level when some have only played 2/3 games at this level.
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 24, 2024 21:17:03 GMT
I'm not in the excuse club and anyone saying bad night at the office is in pure denial here. Dublin are simply better than Kerry overall and going nowhere with way more depth in their squad.
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Post by powerhurl on Feb 24, 2024 21:22:18 GMT
I really think jack o connor and co have been found out. Plus too many average players on this panel
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Post by listowelemerrs on Feb 24, 2024 21:23:33 GMT
Dublin missing 7 starters from last years all Ireland and will likely have them back in July. We are close to full strength. Worrying. Probably the 2 Clifford’s worst Kerry match. No harm in that, only getting back after long lay off, adrenaline took them through the mayo game. Morley at CB worrying, dublin cut down the middle numerous times. This Morley sweeping thing won’t work anymore. Morley legs look cooked. New 6 needed it seems. Management look baffled on sideline, things look stale. Dylan casey, some laud him here, decent club player whose status was elevated during Austin stacks ultra defensive 2021 campaign. Seems to nice of a lad too, not up to the level unfortunately. Begley needs coming back asap. Paul Murphy needs to start, yet still relying on him 10 years later. Not good. Paul geaney and Stephen o brien at 33 are 2 players we need back to start this team. Again not a good sign. Cillian Burke only new player that’s up to the level. With all the coaching and systems and tactics we hear about, why can’t we come up with a system that gets the best out of David Clifford instead of hoping he does something out of this world? Worrying. Looks like come July we will need start the same team except Burke in for Moynihan at wing forward. Bit unfair to say Burke is the only one up to it at this level when some have only played 2/3 games at this level. With respect you can see if a player has the materials and ingredients pretty early… i think sometimes on her we tend to give a player too much time. Tony brosnan nearly 29 now and we’ve been talking about him along many other lads, casey, 2 Geaneys one who’s is 27.. Ronan Buckley, you need to be at ridiculous level now to cut it at at inter county… you need to be a big powerful physical specimen like Burke or a once in generation player like DC or a player with cleverness like killian Spillane or speed like Stephen o brien. Our bench is genuinely laughable. Well obviously be there come July but serious improvement all over needed.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Feb 24, 2024 21:28:22 GMT
He wronged that young bourke tonight throwing him into that I don’t think he got a touch of the ball going nowhere with jack too stubborn too rigid our kick out strategy was ripped to shreds again no plan b just lump it into David
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Post by goforit2 on Feb 24, 2024 21:30:53 GMT
Dublin were awesome today. However I think this is wake up call at the right time.
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Post by exiled on Feb 24, 2024 21:31:33 GMT
One of the worst Kerry displays I've seen. So much wrong and very little done to change it. JOC days at this level are over. While I hope to be proved wrong in the championship I just don't see it. While Paul Murphy has been one of Kerry's most consistent over the years him being the first sub on made no sense. Outside David Clifford what are the tactics? On Clifford another game where he just taking on crazy efforts time and time again. On another note when was the last time a Keel man played at this level? Probably Tom Prendergast.
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Post by hurlingman on Feb 24, 2024 21:34:46 GMT
Bit unfair to say Burke is the only one up to it at this level when some have only played 2/3 games at this level. With respect you can see if a player has the materials and ingredients pretty early… i think sometimes on her we tend to give a player too much time. Tony brosnan nearly 29 now and we’ve been talking about him along many other lads, casey, 2 Geaneys one who’s is 27.. Ronan Buckley, you need to be at ridiculous level now to cut it at at inter county… you need to be a big powerful physical specimen like Burke or a once in generation player like DC or a player with cleverness like killian Spillane or speed like Stephen o brien. Our bench is genuinely laughable. Well obviously be there come July but serious improvement all over needed. Well that's just not true now is it? Plenty wrote off Tomas and Marc early on even Darragh was. You can't judge fella based on a few games. The likes of Tony Brosnan etc are a different story.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 24, 2024 21:35:21 GMT
Jack O’Connor needs to take a lot of the blame for tonight. Tactically we were atrocious.
I haven’t seen the stats but it seemed like Dublin won every single one of their kick outs tonight, just like the All Ireland final. Meanwhile down the other end Dublin put real pressure on ours and won a lot of them. I know our midfield isn’t brilliant and we are low on fielders but still this is a losing strategy.
Defensively we don’t know what we’re doing either. We’re giving away both goal chances and easy points.
Then there’s the substitutions. Dylan Casey got a roasting off an average forward in Paddy Small (at least with Foley you can say O’Callaghan on form with space is hard to stop). I don’t know who Damien Bourke was on but I don’t think he conceded any score to his direct opponent yet it was Bourke taken off. Then taking Cillian Burke off our best performer by a distance when Moynihan was offering nothing apart from giving the ball away.
Huge question marks over the management now. When you look at last year their performance left a lot to be desired too.
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Post by exiled on Feb 24, 2024 21:35:28 GMT
Hard to believe that Mayo beat Dublin 3 weeks ago.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Feb 24, 2024 21:37:36 GMT
Jack o Connor is a joke takes off geaney and Burke who are doing well leaves on Moynihan absolute rubbish all night Everytime I see Dara Moynihan named in the first 15 my heart sinks... A lot of very very average players not only in the Kerry panel but in the starting 15. Dublin are going to take stopping again this year and their athleticism and running off the shoulder at lightning pace was off the charts tonight!
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Post by truefan on Feb 24, 2024 21:52:32 GMT
Joe Brolly poked the bear in Con.Any neutral watchingtoday wondering who is the top forward in the country would pick Con and Fenton pure class .
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Post by boherbee on Feb 24, 2024 21:56:48 GMT
Hard to believe that Mayo beat Dublin 3 weeks ago. Not really, Mayo kept the ball out of Dublin hands much better than Kerry, also won their own kick outs and a good share of the Dublin kickouts. Saying that Dublin probably should have won, but not by much.
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Post by truefan on Feb 24, 2024 21:58:45 GMT
New to this forum. I think Kerry are going backwards with the last two years. We need to make a change but unfortunately this is unlikely to happen.
Midfield is a big problem and seems to be getting worse . Is it time to put young Burke from Milltown there . I would put Diarmuid o Connor back in the half Forward line .
I do think we need a change at centre back . Gavin white in my opinion would be an option and give Sean o Brien a go wing back.
Dylan Casey is not inter county standard or is Dara Moynihan .
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Post by pillar on Feb 24, 2024 22:05:35 GMT
I've been saying it for the last two years were short about seven players. Most of our defence think there forwards and we have no man to tie a marquee forward.
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Post by whiteheat on Feb 24, 2024 22:09:06 GMT
The signs were there last week, clear to see. David and co possibly had three goal chances but wide open all over the field. My hope is that it a case of not showing the hand, it would be naive to show your hand (tactics) in Feb, this could be wishful thinking but there has to element of this. No way could the team lose that much quality In 7 months. 🤞
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Post by veteran on Feb 24, 2024 22:12:10 GMT
Could management at least address the basics. As in the Mayo match , we lost both throws in. As in most matches , we are under pressure getting our kicks out away while the opposition effortlessly get theirs away.
Unless he was injured , it was inexplicable to take off young Cillian. If he was tiring why not put him full forward for a while.
However , the sad reality is that even if the aforementioned deficits were addressed the two teams were on different planets. Outclassed, out run and out thought.
Perhaps , the situation is too bad to be true. Perhaps , all will be well in July when all this “ heavy training” will be far behind us. It is said that the one consolation for a man lying on his back in the gutter is that he has a perfect view of the stars. However , I must confess , even as supine as I am now, my view of the stars is fairly blurred.
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 24, 2024 22:14:25 GMT
Our management looked absolutely shell shocked, and yes some of the calls were hard to fathom this evening, but we still need some humility here and give huge credit to Dublin. I've no problem admitting Dublin are a superior side overall with way more resources, that's the reality of it. As has been the proven case for the past 15 years, more often than not Dublin will win in Croke Park but we can still be competitive and have special days even against Dublin. 2022 was wonderful All Ireland to win and hopefully the likes of the Cliffords and Seán O'Shea will get their hands on Sam again but there are no guarantees, especially with the blue machine going nowhere. We've still got some fine players and the best player in Ireland to give years of enjoyment and here's hoping for the best going forward.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Feb 24, 2024 22:15:13 GMT
Our kick outs absolutely killed us in the first half. Ryan's long ones weren't great but we had no movement for the short ones. I lost count of how much David Clifford missed - at least 1-2 in the first half.
I dont think anyone expected Murchan to mark DC and in perfect conditions it's incredible that he didn't do damage. He's a foot taller. The full back line were exposed but it's hard to keep defending against a tidal wave of attacks. The dubs shooting was very clinical.
I think Paul Murphy was brought on to give us an option for short kick outs. Cillian Burke showed well and looked mobile. That was probably the only plus. We did rally a bit to get it to 4 points but the exertion told at the end.
It was a cold but perfect night for football in HQ. Hopefully it works for us like it worked for Tyrone in 21.
It wasn't nice to hear the booing of Clifford. You'd expect nothing better from the neanderthals on the hill but there was a large group of kids on the canal end, presumably all from some Dublin club. Their mentors should have a word.
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Post by truefan on Feb 24, 2024 22:22:54 GMT
We are not inclined to give any new person a proper go. Why play Bourke from Na Gaeil and take him off at half time on his debut.
They took Sean O Brien off after twenty minutes against Derry and has not been seen since. Ronan Buckley the same against Monaghan.
If your serious about trying people give them a proper chance
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 24, 2024 22:24:33 GMT
No Midfield. When we were forced long, like the last 2 games, we had nothing.
No bit of cut.
No tactical nous. On opposition kick outs, hopeless.
No bit of aggression.
No leadership, Graham O’ Sullivan excepted.
We rolled over and lay down.
I think that’s as bad as we have played in a long time. Don’t know how many times Lee Gannon got uncontested ball.
I know it’s only the league but my God, we are miles off it on that evidence.
Dublin were superb, they were great to watch and the football they played was simple and so effective.
I didn’t see the Clifford tackle at the end as I was heading for the car at that stage.
A dark night for this team. Lots to ponder but do we have answers to address the very obvious weaknesses in our team?
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Post by veteran on Feb 24, 2024 22:35:17 GMT
Love coming on here for the opinions of plenty fellas that know nothing, harking back to the game of hoofing it to one on one duels.. overreacting to everything both good and bad.. kerry aren't as far down the line as people think and why would they be? Dublin looked fitter, and a baptism of fire for some players will bring them on, players with tough first halfs improved markedly in 2nd.. ran out of steam but its the league, christ! Doubt If jack will have Morley roaming headlessly in championship.. this is a team we threw away an all ireland against last year! Calm Down clowns.. “Plenty of fellas who know nothing”. “Calm down clowns”. A classy contribution on your debut. A newcomer to watch. Another gem that has lain undiscovered for too long.. Can’t wait to read more of your insightful contributions.
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Post by southward on Feb 24, 2024 22:36:05 GMT
Just talking to a few on way out of croke park and a few saying David should have got a straight red. Looked like a shove in the chest to me. Yellow at worst
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 24, 2024 22:36:51 GMT
Love coming on here for the opinions of plenty fellas that know nothing, harking back to the game of hoofing it to one on one duels.. overreacting to everything both good and bad.. kerry aren't as far down the line as people think and why would they be? Dublin looked fitter, and a baptism of fire for some players will bring them on, players with tough first halfs improved markedly in 2nd.. ran out of steam but its the league, christ! Doubt If jack will have Morley roaming headlessly in championship.. this is a team we threw away an all ireland against last year! Calm Down clowns.. Yes, remember the league semifinal scoreline: Kerry 6-15 Tyrone 1-14 And what happened 2 months later.
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Post by hurlingman on Feb 24, 2024 22:40:27 GMT
Love coming on here for the opinions of plenty fellas that know nothing, harking back to the game of hoofing it to one on one duels.. overreacting to everything both good and bad.. kerry aren't as far down the line as people think and why would they be? Dublin looked fitter, and a baptism of fire for some players will bring them on, players with tough first halfs improved markedly in 2nd.. ran out of steam but its the league, christ! Doubt If jack will have Morley roaming headlessly in championship.. this is a team we threw away an all ireland against last year! Calm Down clowns.. Well seeing as you're an expert in everything why not tell us why today wasn't a disaster?
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Post by kerrylad38 on Feb 24, 2024 22:45:56 GMT
Anyone coming home from the match Barack obamas supermacs closed at 10pm some joke think they would’ve stayed open till 12
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 24, 2024 23:24:24 GMT
Lads having watched that.. our big problem in my opinion is that Kerry are too much of a fair weather football team. Physically we don't stamp our authority on teams. We get brushed aside too easily. Teams cut through us at ease. Happened with Monaghan up in Clones as well. We remind me of Galway, only we have more talented players than Galway thats the difference. Kerry don't like to get stuck in and play the game to a high intensity like the Dubs do, like Tyrone did in 2021 and like Mayo do when they are on their game (such as Killarney last year). There's a big difference between giving away bad fouls like Barry Dan did and Clifford at the end, and being a physically dominant team.
In the first 25 minutes and last 20 minutes, Kerry were outscored 3-14 to 0-06... I'm not saying this is the end of this Kerry team but we have to be able to make changes in the game to change the momentum, Dublin managed to do this when Kerry clawed the game back to 3 points. There are plenty of talented players in this team but when the going gets tough, too many players go into hiding and I'm afraid it should be back to the drawing board.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 24, 2024 23:26:37 GMT
Well this rare I'm embarrassed to be in my geansai
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Post by bry1997 on Feb 24, 2024 23:27:18 GMT
I can't see us playing with so little structure and energy in the Championship. I thought Murchan did a very good job on David when he had ball in hand and David took the wrong option a few times. It has been mentioned on here tonight but the game had a Tyrone 2021 in Killarney feel to it.
Let's see in July what tonight's game meant.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 24, 2024 23:37:23 GMT
Love coming on here for the opinions of plenty fellas that know nothing, harking back to the game of hoofing it to one on one duels.. overreacting to everything both good and bad.. kerry aren't as far down the line as people think and why would they be? Dublin looked fitter, and a baptism of fire for some players will bring them on, players with tough first halfs improved markedly in 2nd.. ran out of steam but its the league, christ! Doubt If jack will have Morley roaming headlessly in championship.. this is a team we threw away an all ireland against last year! Calm Down clowns.. Not a very insightful post. An thats me being polite
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