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Post by The16thMan on Feb 18, 2024 11:23:56 GMT
4 points out of 6, 3 half decent performances and sitting in 2nd in the league table. Not in a bad position to be heading to Dublin in. Both Kerry & Dublin have yet to hit anything close to an 8/10 performance or more. Hopefully the sight of the Dubs in Croke Park will bring the best out of Kerry the next night. In all seriousness Kerry should have had a 2 score win over Mayo in Tralee, and bar some bad shooting and decision making we would have got that too. If Kerry can work on those things that left them down vs Mayo, I can see Kerry giving Dublin their full of it the next night. A chance for a few lads to get a run out in Croke Park in a Kerry jersey for the first time also. Really looking forward to this one and hopefully Kerry have a performance to match.
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Post by kerrymenontour on Feb 20, 2024 3:10:32 GMT
Many heading up for the game Saturday? First trip (hoped of many) to Croker this weekend. I see it’s a double header with the Dublin hurlers playing Limerick at 5pm. You’d expect a big crowd from Dublin and Limerick up for that. Ireland play wales aswell in the Six Nations so town should be mental that day.
Please don’t tell me I’m the only Kerryman with tickets to the Hill 🫣🤣
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Feb 20, 2024 12:20:46 GMT
Be interesting to see how our midfield pairing fare against the Dubs and in the wide open spaces of croke park. I know the pitch is comparable to ASP or Killarney but, it plays faster and bigger. People have extolled the virtues of JOC and JOC in terms of mobility so we will see how effective they are on Saturday night as a partnership.
I am looking forward to the battle of Foley and Con if Con plays as a traditional Full Forward. I know Con is build like a small bull but Jason is no shrinking violet either and has blossomed into a solid dependable full back under the tutelage of Jack and Tally. I presume we will go with more or less the same team as started the last night.
The harder ground in Croke park for this time of year should suit Gavin and others as long as we move the ball rather than carry it from deep. Be great to see Burke in Croke Park as well. I would keep Seanie close to goal again and try and actually build the tactic and get players to let it in. If Seanie starts on the 40 or is drifting way back the field for the majority we can consider the idea of him playing in the confined to the bin.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 21, 2024 13:30:43 GMT
I'd expect the same 15 named against Mayo to start on Sat.
Baring injury although the Kerry pod mentioned that Burke took a bit of a bang on Sat. Hopefully he's ok because I want to see his athleticism in Croke Park.
I'd hope to see a few faces back on the bench. OBeaghlaoigh P Geaney Okunbor OBrien Spillane
That would be a good bench.
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Post by mainevalley on Feb 21, 2024 17:31:05 GMT
I'd expect the same 15 named against Mayo to start on Sat. Baring injury although the Kerry pod mentioned that Burke took a bit of a bang on Sat. Hopefully he's ok because I want to see his athleticism in Croke Park. I'd hope to see a few faces back on the bench. OBeaghlaoigh P Geaney Okunbor OBrien Spillane That would be a good bench. Looking forward to seeing Dylan geaney and burke in croker for different reasons. Looking forward to seeing how joe o connor gets on against an athletic midfielder in croker, both bugler and Fenton great runners
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 22, 2024 12:50:40 GMT
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 23, 2024 8:10:23 GMT
If this game was in Tralee or Killarney, one would be expecting Kerry to win, and so it stands to reason Dublin will be expecting to win a home match on their home ground. Moreover, as consistently proven over the past 15 years, Dublin don’t lose matches very often at home. While Dublin to me are still a more balanced team than Kerry, we do have the most exceptional footballer in the land, so a positive result is possible. However, for me it’s about the performance tomorrow evening of those trying to establish themselves fully at this level, the likes of Joe O’Connor, Cillian Burke, Dylan Geaney to name a few. There’s no question we need players who can help carry the load and get more balance into the side.
I’m hoping our defence tightens because they must. I’m hoping the coaches have been on to Gavin White this week to keep it simple, keep the head up and distribute quick and early. Even at his best Gavin is no Jack McCaffery, so the message is stop the high-ho silver runs into trouble and play it simple. Even this early in the season the best midfielder in Ireland looks in great form and it will be intriguing to see how our engine room deals with Brian Fenton. I’d love to see a positive result here for Kerry but more importantly, I want to see some of our neophytes showing they can thrive on this stage with a promise of more to come.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 23, 2024 9:24:08 GMT
Jez, cannot believe the level of interest or lack of debate on here, considering the opposition, only one page and barely over a handful?
Firstly with regard to the team selection, hard to see any changes to the starting XV, have a feeling we’re tossing a coin between Dylan and Conor, both have their strengths and weaknesses, although Dylan is probably just about a neck ahead. Still in saying that, I have a feeling Jack will pull wide wide tomorrow early doors and hold the Dingle lads until the game opens-up. The back 9 will be unchanged, with another stern test for the O’Connor duo and see how the challenge of a more formidable two and the wide-open spaces of Croke Park tests their development and resolve.
Because of this I would actually lean towards a half forward line of Burke, Paudie and Adrian Spillane, with Dara floating in and out. Then when the play opens in the second half, spring the likes of both Geaneys and maybe Tony Brosnan.
As for the bench, would like to see more stability here .. ideally O’Beagleoich, defensively, apart from Paul Murphy and Sean O’Brien cover is sparse, I saw that Tony Brosnan was on the bench last Saturday, would like him to get a few minutes of he was fit enough…
I don’t know how much Jack wants to be in the mix, considering the level or capabilities of the other Munster counties, I think we can afford to shoot for a League and peter it down in Munster and notch it up again for the second tier of the All-Ireland series. I feel the gap between league and a realistic championship challenge is too much not to consider going for it.
Anyway back to Saturday, Dublin at home have to be favourites, however, the team last week was near to 12 of our championship starting XV, for this reason one would be expecting us to challenge and push the Dubs, we looked flat and leggy against Mayo is in conducive to having undergone a physical bank of training, I expect us to be sharper and have a cleaner first touch and more cohesive fluidity to our interplay, the pass was a second or two off or behind the man the last day which to me sparks of little ball work of late, this I expect mirrors the leggedness of the players so, ya, hope an improvement in this regard.
Heart is saying a close win, a draw or a one- or two-point loss is probably more realistic…. The fact the bookies have a draw at only six and a half indicates the closeness.
A nice bet is eights, for a draw at HT.
Safe travels to all heading up the M7, living in North Kerry, the roads of late have been frightening so ya, take care and safe travels.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 23, 2024 9:42:27 GMT
My outlook on the game is that neither team have been particularly impressive so far.
Dublin unlucky to not be on 4 points and after seeing Monaghan in person it's hard to see how they are not on 6.
They won't want to give Kerry and momentum tomorrow.
I think Kerry will win this one for two reasons.
Our starting 15 is closer to the championship side than Dublins.
Dublin have a experimental FB line and new keeper.
Now ofcourse they may bring some older lads back on Sat.
David Clifford's first game back in Croke Park and even though I think his performance last year was blown out of proportion I'd expect him to want play well in this one.
Roscommon created 5 goal chances last week and if we created them I'd hope we'd take atleast 2.
Kerry to win it for me.
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 23, 2024 10:31:14 GMT
There is no point in checking the Dublin team for this game. Last week they took the dummy team thing to another level.
Last week they announced a team with Con O'Callaghan at midfield, No.9 and Basquel at No 15. I watched a playback of the game to see how Con would do. On the graphic before the throw in Basquel was gone and O'Cofaig-Byrne was at 15. Minutes later when the teams lined up for throw in O'Cofaig-Byrne was at No. 9 Con was in the full forward line. They saw fit to give a false updated team before throw in.
Con had an average game but when Dublin brought in more experienced players in the last quarter Roscommon faded. They don't appear to have good bench.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 23, 2024 10:39:22 GMT
I do think Dublin are unlucky not to have shared the points with both Mayo and Monaghan, they were two late suckerpunches and the ref blew the whistle nearly immediately after...
What is more telling though is Dublin failed to close out those two games, the Dublin team of four or five years ago would never concede so late on to lose...
@ Kerryexile, I've no issue with dummy teams, sure why would a coach want to show their hand, I do think, however, that we will end up, in time with a twenty-six man squad named per game and the line up only finalised prior to thrown in like the bog ball across the pond - I don't agree, but I can see it happening...
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Feb 23, 2024 11:26:29 GMT
We should definitely be winning this game. We have more motivation to win it to avenge the final defeat in a small way. We’re also closer to full strength, based on the last game each team have played we’ve around 13 of our championship 15 starting while Dublin have around 10.
Dublin don’t play well in the league, Roscommon were very poor and I think that’s given people a false perception of where Dublin are at. Monaghan went to Croke Park and beat Dublin, the following week we went to Clones and beat Monaghan by 9 and Derry beat them by 13 last weekend.
Match ups I think Foley picks up Con O’Callaghan and I’d be very confident that he beats him hands down. This should have been the match up in the final, Mannion’s game didn’t suit Foley at all. If you want to test Casey he could pick up Costello but it’ll probably be Tom on Costello with Casey on Small.
We need to lose this fear of Dublin, they are a way off the level of the 5 in a row teams. A lot went right for them and wrong for us in last year’s final. It was a travesty to lose it because I think we would’ve beaten 8 out of 10 times.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Feb 23, 2024 11:32:24 GMT
Jez, cannot believe the level of interest or lack of debate on here, considering the opposition, only one page and barely over a handful? Firstly with regard to the team selection, hard to see any changes to the starting XV, have a feeling we’re tossing a coin between Dylan and Conor, both have their strengths and weaknesses, although Dylan is probably just about a neck ahead. Still in saying that, I have a feeling Jack will pull wide wide tomorrow early doors and hold the Dingle lads until the game opens-up. The back 9 will be unchanged, with another stern test for the O’Connor duo and see how the challenge of a more formidable two and the wide-open spaces of Croke Park tests their development and resolve. . I see Dylan as a fair bit ahead of Conor and that’s without even taking into account their ages, Dylan only 21/22 and Conor 26/27. Dylan’s passing and ability to drop deeper really sets him apart. Conor really struggled when he came on against Mayo, his only contribution being 2 poor turnovers. He’ll struggle to see more game time in my opinion with Tony Brosnan back fit and the possible return of Paul Geaney.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 23, 2024 12:16:31 GMT
Jez, cannot believe the level of interest or lack of debate on here, considering the opposition, only one page and barely over a handful? Firstly with regard to the team selection, hard to see any changes to the starting XV, have a feeling we’re tossing a coin between Dylan and Conor, both have their strengths and weaknesses, although Dylan is probably just about a neck ahead. Still in saying that, I have a feeling Jack will pull wide wide tomorrow early doors and hold the Dingle lads until the game opens-up. The back 9 will be unchanged, with another stern test for the O’Connor duo and see how the challenge of a more formidable two and the wide-open spaces of Croke Park tests their development and resolve. Because of this I would actually lean towards a half forward line of Burke, Paudie and Adrian Spillane, with Dara floating in and out. Then when the play opens in the second half, spring the likes of both Geaneys and maybe Tony Brosnan. As for the bench, would like to see more stability here .. ideally O’Beagleoich, defensively, apart from Paul Murphy and Sean O’Brien cover is sparse, I saw that Tony Brosnan was on the bench last Saturday, would like him to get a few minutes of he was fit enough… I don’t know how much Jack wants to be in the mix, considering the level or capabilities of the other Munster counties, I think we can afford to shoot for a League and peter it down in Munster and notch it up again for the second tier of the All-Ireland series. I feel the gap between league and a realistic championship challenge is too much not to consider going for it. Anyway back to Saturday, Dublin at home have to be favourites, however, the team last week was near to 12 of our championship starting XV, for this reason one would be expecting us to challenge and push the Dubs, we looked flat and leggy against Mayo is in conducive to having undergone a physical bank of training, I expect us to be sharper and have a cleaner first touch and more cohesive fluidity to our interplay, the pass was a second or two off or behind the man the last day which to me sparks of little ball work of late, this I expect mirrors the leggedness of the players so, ya, hope an improvement in this regard. Heart is saying a close win, a draw or a one- or two-point loss is probably more realistic…. The fact the bookies have a draw at only six and a half indicates the closeness. A nice bet is eights, for a draw at HT. Safe travels to all heading up the M7, living in North Kerry, the roads of late have been frightening so ya, take care and safe travels. Well I'm looking forward to a great day of sport tomorrow. Out for a few pints for the Ireland game, grab a bite to eat and then head in to catch at least some of the hurling before the main event! Always a great buzz when you head into Croker for a Kerry match regardless of the circumstances. I would have assumed we would go for more or less the same side as ran out last Saturday but as always your observations make sense Horse and it might well be the best strategy to leave some dry powder on the bench. For me Dylan is shading Conor for involvement tomorrow. Kerry Dublin games be they League or Championship have always been close these past 7-8 years so can't see that trend being bucked tomorrow. Priority is a performance but like others I would be hopeful of a win given how strong our side was on paper last week. I felt coming out of the Mayo game that the expanse and harder sod of Croker would suit that team so much better than the boggyness of ASP that night. Watching the game back its also more clear how sluggish we were, like you said, obviously some hard training done during the two week interval. In contrast I'd expect very little was done this week or will be done next week, so I'd expect Kerry to be hopping off the ground for both the encounter tomorrow an Tyrone Sunday week. I'll await the team announcement with interest and tomorrow should tell us a good bit more about how much of a contribution the likes of big Joe, Cillian, Dylan, Casey et al can make to our push for title 39.
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 23, 2024 13:09:59 GMT
There is no point in checking the Dublin team for this game. Last week they took the dummy team thing to another level. Last week they announced a team with Con O'Callaghan at midfield, No.9 and Basquel at No 15. I watched a playback of the game to see how Con would do. On the graphic before the throw in Basquel was gone and O'Cofaig-Byrne was at 15. Minutes later when the teams lined up for throw in O'Cofaig-Byrne was at No. 9 Con was in the full forward line. They saw fit to give a false updated team before throw in. Con had an average game but when Dublin brought in more experienced players in the last quarter Roscommon faded. They don't appear to have good bench. I did nt see Dubs game but Con O Callaghan got 7points including 5 from play.Thats hardly average.On dummy teams i hate them as it shows total disrespect to supporters mainly.
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Post by Lolly Valance on Feb 23, 2024 14:00:40 GMT
I know its early in the season etc etc but, Kerry would want to be winning or at least putting on a good show tomorrow night if they are serious about reclaiming Sam this year. Apart from maybe Casey in the corner we had our starting 1-9 for the championship begin the game last week.
And we had 4 out of the 6 forwards that started last years all Ireland final. The performance they served up Saturday night was pure muck. Tippy tappy nonsense over nd back the field. Erratic shooting, lads fumbling the ball. Seanie has 2 cracking games as a full forward so we will let hi play as an axillary centre back when mayo comes to town.
For once I would like to see Kerry actually try to play front foot football. I am not kamikaze saying just kick the ball in but, it could be moved a lot faster at times. Especially on a turn over. Back David and Seanie to win it inside. Even if its 2 v 3 in there. If we do it once or twice Dublin will drop back another few yards opening out the middle 3rd for the likes of Paudie etc to get on the ball.
I sound like Pat Spillane but, christ some Kerry games are a hard watch.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 23, 2024 14:57:13 GMT
Looking at lads who may be able to help us bridge the gap come the summer is nuanced by the fact we have lads trying to find a spot in defence or attack at the expense of a sitting incumbent compared to a position on the field (midfield) where we are praying someone puts their hand up to fill what we all see as a weak spot. In this respect saying a player like Dylan is ahead of another (JOC) is both pointless and irrelevant - they are auditioning for different roles where our needs and resources are very different.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 23, 2024 16:27:14 GMT
Quietly confident.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 23, 2024 19:30:35 GMT
It rains in Croker too and so the surface mightn't be any bouncier than ASP - in fact it may be less so if there are a showers nearer the time and wasn't it a nice mild evening in Tralee.
Maybe a few on here don't have their dinner in the middle of the day, think milk comes out of a carton, etc - make sure ye mow the lawn before heading up the road; now where are my wathers, I have to clean out from under Daisy, Neddy & Co!
Mayo/Tyrone to me is most interesting and I'll go against the market here - will Tyrone try to redeem themselves and if they can curtail O'Donoghue then Mayo could be unlocked.
Derry should cater for the Tribes but Tyrone might have been a good taster course for an extra sup of northern blood, moreover as they are in the vampires backyard - we'll see if Glass & Co still have steam.
I don't honestly think there is a lot between them Dubs and us so hopefully we will justify favouritism - should be a great one, just a pity I am behind schedule in rekindling my cúpla focal.
And yes, I finally twigged the magic of our No 3, with the help of a few wise owls I happened to be near vs Mayo - 'the modern day Johno', what I picked up on was his constantly trying to be in the right place. For those attending, watch his off the ball movement, mind you they all do that anyway but FB is always going to be, well, more restrictive as the house needs minding. Bitter sweet memory of his grand uncle Mick Finucane of an evening alluding to 'Rooney being in the right place again' - Wayne was no Ballydonoghoor though!
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 23, 2024 20:07:33 GMT
Same 15.
Stefan Okunbor only significant change on the bench.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 23, 2024 20:10:34 GMT
Same 15. Stefan Okunbor only significant change on the bench. No surprise really.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 23, 2024 20:20:21 GMT
Same 15. Stefan Okunbor only significant change on the bench. No surprise really. Keith Evens off the bench in the 2nd half could be of interest. He's a bit green but a wide open Croke Park is perfect for a fast lad.
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Post by mainevalley on Feb 23, 2024 21:25:50 GMT
Keith Evens off the bench in the 2nd half could be of interest. He's a bit green but a wide open Croke Park is perfect for a fast lad. Sean o Brien to cover midfield if getting caught for legs, I reckon bugler and Fenton have us for legs in midfield
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 23, 2024 21:43:35 GMT
If we introduce Spillane, we can box midfield and pull both Burke and Spillane deep and avail of the channels
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 23, 2024 22:42:06 GMT
New seating installed in Cusack Stand. Light blue and dark blue. Sort of sends a message
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Post by dano on Feb 23, 2024 23:10:11 GMT
I'd like to see Sean O Se play a more traditional FF role tomorrow.It would be great to lay down a marker against the Dubs. Put them back in relegation territory. No fear should be shown, no matter what colour the seats are.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 23, 2024 23:47:18 GMT
New seating installed in Cusack Stand. Light blue and dark blue. Sort of sends a message Are you serious? I was looking at it today. Parnell Park doesn't even have that
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Post by john4 on Feb 23, 2024 23:53:20 GMT
Supposed to stay dry and calm tomorrow evening. Looking like perfect conditions fortunately.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 23, 2024 23:53:54 GMT
I was looking at it today. Parnell Park doesn't even have that 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 24, 2024 0:20:20 GMT
I know its early in the season etc etc but, Kerry would want to be winning or at least putting on a good show tomorrow night if they are serious about reclaiming Sam this year. Apart from maybe Casey in the corner we had our starting 1-9 for the championship begin the game last week. And we had 4 out of the 6 forwards that started last years all Ireland final. The performance they served up Saturday night was pure muck. Tippy tappy nonsense over nd back the field. Erratic shooting, lads fumbling the ball. Seanie has 2 cracking games as a full forward so we will let hi play as an axillary centre back when mayo comes to town. For once I would like to see Kerry actually try to play front foot football. I am not kamikaze saying just kick the ball in but, it could be moved a lot faster at times. Especially on a turn over. Back David and Seanie to win it inside. Even if its 2 v 3 in there. If we do it once or twice Dublin will drop back another few yards opening out the middle 3rd for the likes of Paudie etc to get on the ball. I sound like Pat Spillane but, christ some Kerry games are a hard watch. If Kerry play that cagey stuff like they did v mayo last Saturday Then it’s game over by half time I agree with you sick and tired of playing with the handbrake on
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