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Post by The16thMan on Sept 1, 2024 14:44:07 GMT
Crokes 1-15 Dingle 0-11
So Crokes senior club champions 2024. They controlled the game from start to finish, game was really played on their terms. Really impressed with Tony Brosnan, Evan Looney, Mark O'Shea from the Crokes and Micheal Burns looked like the intercounty standard player we know he can be kicking 4 points. Dingle always playing catchup, Dylan Geaney had a fine game for them, kicking 5 points (4 from play). Dingle really missed Tom Sullivan, he would have done a man marking job on Tony Brosnan and I'm sure would have reduced the 9 points Tony ended up kicking.
Crokes likely now to represent Kerry in All Ireland club championship unless a club other than Crokes win County Championship which I can't see happening when you see the strength of East Kerry & St.Brendans this year.
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Post by mike70 on Sept 1, 2024 15:14:21 GMT
Deserved victory for Crokes, really used the wind well in the first half , with TB causing all sorts of problems, strange that dingle did not protect their FB line.
Dingle never got to grips with the game, their much heralded forward line, never got to the heights we know they can.
Hats of to Crokes, will more than likely represent Kerry in Munster series as mentioned, they played all the football today and looked more energetic than Dingle.
Any new standouts for Jack O Connor, I don’t think so, all the usual suspects already on the Kerry inter county merry go round.
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Post by The16thMan on Sept 1, 2024 15:17:44 GMT
Deserved victory for Crokes, really used the wind well in the first half , with TB causing all sorts of problems, strange that dingle did not protect their FB line. Dingle never got to grips with the game, their much heralded forward line, never got to the heights we know they can. Hats of to Crokes, will more than likely represent Kerry in Munster series as mentioned, they played all the football today and looked more energetic than Dingle. Any new standouts for Jack O Connor, I don’t think so, all the usual suspects already on the Kerry inter county merry go round. As for any possible new prospects I thought Mark O'Shea & Dylan Geaney impressed I think Evan Looney has the football in him to play for Kerry but I think he might be a bit light, might need to put on a small bit of size. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 1, 2024 15:24:25 GMT
Disappointed for Dingle,
Crokes were fully deserving winners.
Here in lies the conundrum for Kerry.
Tony Brosnan clearly an inside forward.
Given the modern putrid game will he get on the ball in there though.
Dylan Geaney has to play in the league.
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Post by crokes86 on Sept 1, 2024 15:42:52 GMT
Great performance. Really wanted it and showed the hunger to win it. Tony Brosnan outstanding. Mike Burns played very well . I think Mark O’Shea has to get a look in the league for Kerry . Cian McMahon and Evan Looney also. Great to see Brian Looney Kieran O’Leary and Fionn Fitzgerald still flying and going well and showing hunger for it still .
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Post by mike70 on Sept 1, 2024 16:06:24 GMT
Deserved victory for Crokes, really used the wind well in the first half , with TB causing all sorts of problems, strange that dingle did not protect their FB line. Dingle never got to grips with the game, their much heralded forward line, never got to the heights we know they can. Hats of to Crokes, will more than likely represent Kerry in Munster series as mentioned, they played all the football today and looked more energetic than Dingle. Any new standouts for Jack O Connor, I don’t think so, all the usual suspects already on the Kerry inter county merry go round. As for any possible new prospects I thought Mark O'Shea & Dylan Geaney impressed I think Evan Looney has the football in him to play for Kerry but I think he might be a bit light, might need to put on a small bit of size. I have Mark down as one of the guys in around the Kerry squad, he needs a league run for sure to see if he can make the step up. |
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Post by greenandgold on Sept 1, 2024 16:07:58 GMT
Only got yo watch the match in TV unfortunately but I was surprised at how much Crokes controlled the game- tbh I was expecting tighter game but Crokes much stronger - few players mentioned above stood out but overall I think their panel was stronger.
Anyone know the nature/severity of Tom OSullivan’s injury?
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Post by southward on Sept 1, 2024 16:15:49 GMT
Great performance. Really wanted it and showed the hunger to win it. Tony Brosnan outstanding. Mike Burns played very well . I think Mark O’Shea has to get a look in the league for Kerry . Cian McMahon and Evan Looney also. Great to see Brian Looney Kieran O’Leary and Fionn Fitzgerald still flying and going well and showing hunger for it still . Yeah, Brian had a superb game as the link man today. Looks a bit heftier than of yore but still has serious pace and of course all that know-how. A candidate for motm, I thought. Tony Brosnan was unmarkable today. Burns flying it also. Dingle brought good support including a lively kids' band that entertained the terrace pre-match. That was as good as it got for them though. Lacking a bit of leadership and direction on the pitch, they never really got into the game even with wind advantage. For the neutral, the game needed a Dingle goal; fizzled out long before the end. Pat O'Shea looks and sounds demented on the sideline, he'd want to calm down a bit for his own sake. |
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Post by exiled on Sept 1, 2024 16:53:04 GMT
Who is the referee tomorrow for the senior club final. A poor choice as it turned out. Reminds me of David Gough. Whistle happy and slight touching pulled. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 1, 2024 17:01:36 GMT
Only got yo watch the match in TV unfortunately but I was surprised at how much Crokes controlled the game- tbh I was expecting tighter game but Crokes much stronger - few players mentioned above stood out but overall I think their panel was stronger. Anyone know the nature/severity of Tom OSullivan’s injury? Hammer, Not sure how severe. |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 1, 2024 17:01:54 GMT
Who is the referee tomorrow for the senior club final. A poor choice as it turned out. Reminds me of David Gough. Whistle happy and slight touching pulled. Said ref thinks that those who attend come to see him, not the players. |
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Post by tpo on Sept 1, 2024 17:48:21 GMT
Crokes far better team, no real weakness. I was disappointed with Mark O Shea, good in open play but not winning any 50/50 balls
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Post by veteran on Sept 1, 2024 18:36:56 GMT
Pace and craft. Pace and craft. Pace and craft. That is the formula Dr. Crokes employ. It was ever thus. No secret and even though it is no secret it is still very difficult to counteract. Certainly , Dingle never came close to counteracting it today. Playing with a strong breeze in the first half , they got down to business early on with Tony Brosnan uncontainable , kicking points at will. In that context, Tom O’Sullivan was a huge loss for Dingle. However, Tony was not only ace in the Crokes pack. Their entire half forward line of Gavin O’Shea , Tom Doyle and especially Michael Burns were a torment for the opposition. In contrast, Dingle struggled, admittedly against a very strong breeze. It wasn’t just the breeze. The Killarney lads had water defenders in Fionn Fitzgerald , Gavin White and the ever young Brian Looney, one of the most consistent club players of his era.
Not surprisingly, Dingle offered more in second half with the wind at their backs . Their old war horses Paul Geaney and Barry Dan toiled ceaselessly as always. Above all , Dylan Geaney thundered into the game, kicking some long range beauties. Unfortunately for Dylan , kicking long range beauties may not be the heart’s desire of current management. You should know better Dylan. You are supposed to fiddle faddle and turn backwards.
Irrespective of Dingle’s second half improvement there was no way back against a rampant Crokes. They desperately needed a goal but Shane Murphy ensured that never came with one particularly brilliant save.
Regarding Kerry prospects. Mark O’Shea was reasonable but I felt Barry Dan shaded that duel. Charlie Keating was Mark’s partner and probably won his duel without setting the place alight. David Shaw was a disappointment. We only saw Conor Geaney in fits and starts. Ditto Cian McMahon.Gavin Curran looks to be a solid citizen in the Dingle goal.
Refer Seamus Mulvihill was too intrusive for my liking.
P.S. Is Pat O’Shea always as unhinged on the sideline as he was on occasions today. Interestingly, he spent more time berating his fellow mentors than the officials. It was extraordinary.
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Post by mg72 on Sept 1, 2024 19:05:45 GMT
Pace and craft. Pace and craft. Pace and craft. That is the formula Dr. Crokes employ. It was ever thus. No secret and even though it is no secret it is still very difficult to counteract. Certainly , Dingle never came close to counteracting it today. Playing with a strong breeze in the first half , they got down to business early on with Tony Brosnan uncontainable , kicking points at will. In that context, Tom O’Sullivan was a huge loss for Dingle. However, Tony was not only ace in the Crokes pack. Their entire half forward line of Gavin O’Shea , Tom Doyle and especially Michael Burns were a torment for the opposition. In contrast, Dingle struggled, admittedly against a very strong breeze. It wasn’t just the breeze. The Killarney lads had water defenders in Fionn Fitzgerald , Gavin White and the ever young Brian Looney, one of the most consistent club players of his era. Not surprisingly, Dingle offered more in second half with the wind at their backs . Their old war horses Paul Geaney and Barry Dan toiled ceaselessly as always. Above all , Dylan Geaney thundered into the game, kicking some long range beauties. Unfortunately for Dylan , kicking long range beauties may not be the heart’s desire of current management. You should know better Dylan. You are supposed to fiddle faddle and turn backwards. Irrespective of Dingle’s second half improvement there was no way back against a rampant Crokes. They desperately needed a goal but Shane Murphy ensured that never came with one particularly brilliant save. Regarding Kerry prospects. Mark O’Shea was reasonable but I felt Barry Dan shaded that duel. Charlie Keating was Mark’s partner and probably won his duel without setting the place alight. David Shaw was a disappointment. We only saw Conor Geaney in fits and starts. Ditto Cian McMahon.Gavin Curran looks to be a solid citizen in the Dingle goal. Refer Seamus Mulvihill was too intrusive for my liking. P.S. Is Pat O’Shea always as unhinged on the sideline as he was on occasions today. Interestingly, he spent more time berating his fellow mentors than the officials. It was extraordinary. Spot on report Veteran. Tony and Dylan were the bright lights in a disappointing affair. Brian Looney turned back the clock yet again with a very measured performance. Crokes were always in control and never looked like being caught. I'm surprised that Crokes didn't give some of their younger promising subs like Mhaicí Lynch and Alex Hennegin a run when the match was nearing a close. What were they going to learn by putting on Kieran O'Leary at that stage instead of 2 good under 19's? Nobody really put their hands up to be called into the Kerry senior panel on todays showings. I expected a bigger crowd in there today, but those who were present couldn't really get excited with the match. Pat was a calm enough man on the line with Kerry, but he has really taken it to another level of enthusiasm when on the sideline with Dr Crokes. |
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Post by yellowbelly on Sept 2, 2024 22:01:56 GMT
Disappointed with Dingle's approach yesterday. It's almost like they felt without Tom O'Sullivan to mark Tony Brosnan they had no hope of playing the Crokes straight up. For the first time this year they played a sweeper back. Maybe it was the strong wind there too but they spent most of the first half with 15 inside their own '45 and trying to kill the clock as much as possible.
And maybe you could say it worked as they went in just five down at half time and had a good goal chance in the 2nd half. But the Crokes just tipped away and won the 2nd half too.
Pity. The first round game they played was an unbelievable game to watch. THe semi final against Kenmare was epic.
To me the final felt like a game ruined by tactics and over-coaching.
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Post by crokes86 on Sept 3, 2024 15:46:08 GMT
Some players to impress me not playing with Kerry in this year’s club championship.
Goalkeeper
Gavin Curran (Dingle)
Backs
Conor Flannery (Dingle)
Andrew Moynihan (Rathmore)
Evan Looney (Crokes)
James McCarthy (Kenmare)
Darragh O’Connor (Kenmare)
Midfielder
Mark O’Shea (Crokes)
Forwards
Cian McMahon (Crokes)
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Post by boots on Sept 3, 2024 20:54:55 GMT
I did nt get to see match yesterday but just watched it now on the player.An enjoyable game to watch and like the way Crokes use the ball quickly.Many times especially in first half Dingle had extra defenders but Crokes quick ball in caused problems for Dingle.Kerry management take note! Micheàl Burns (bar one bad pass) was excellent and Tony Brosnan top notch.I was a little underwhelmed with Mark O Shea tbh but Id never judge on one game.Likewise I was totally disappointed with David Shaw.Its obvious he has loads of football but was poor yesterday.Fionn Fitz and Brian Looney impressed me. For Dingle Paul Geaney was grand and Dylan had a great second half.BarryDan as usual was solid. I’m a big fan of mark o shea and feel he is well ahead of Barry Dan and should in fact be in with the kerry panel ahead of the dingle man. but Sunday he left me wanting more. Did think either of them two looksd like they could play at a higher level. Burns and Tony brosnan were excellent as you say, but Brian looney was still the leader of that team when dingle were putting on the pressure in the second half. He and Evan looney were brilliant in that period. |
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Post by shannonsider on Sept 3, 2024 21:09:06 GMT
I did nt get to see match yesterday but just watched it now on the player.An enjoyable game to watch and like the way Crokes use the ball quickly.Many times especially in first half Dingle had extra defenders but Crokes quick ball in caused problems for Dingle.Kerry management take note! Micheàl Burns (bar one bad pass) was excellent and Tony Brosnan top notch.I was a little underwhelmed with Mark O Shea tbh but Id never judge on one game.Likewise I was totally disappointed with David Shaw.Its obvious he has loads of football but was poor yesterday.Fionn Fitz and Brian Looney impressed me. For Dingle Paul Geaney was grand and Dylan had a great second half.BarryDan as usual was solid. I’m a big fan of mark o shea and feel he is well ahead of Barry Dan and should in fact be in with the kerry panel ahead of the dingle man. but Sunday he left me wanting more. Did think either of them two looksd like they could play at a higher level. Burns and Tony brosnan were excellent as you say, but Brian looney was still the leader of that team when dingle were putting on the pressure in the second half. He and Evan looney were brilliant in that period. Would agree on Mark O’Shea/Barry Dan..I couldn’t believe when I read the Kerryman and saw reports saying Mark O’Shea lorded it over Barry Dan. In reality in quite a few 1 v 1 battles Barry Dan got the better of O’Shea. I don’t think either were stellar being honest. O’Shea is a good grafter but I think he’d struggle at county level. Not sure what it says about a lot of younger guys or the standard in general when Brian Looney is dominating. Of course it says a lot about Brian Looney who is one of the best club players in Kerry I’ve ever seen. If Dingle can get Tom back fit they’ll still be a force in Senior championship but they were disappointing on Sunday. |
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Post by exiled on Sept 3, 2024 22:58:49 GMT
Watched the game live on Sunday and didn't see any new players for Kerry. Mark OShea doesn't have the pace for county. Barry Dan either but still looks better. The players that have been tried still looked the best.
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Post by john4 on Sept 3, 2024 23:13:35 GMT
We badly need a few midfielders to emerge from somewhere
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 4, 2024 3:36:59 GMT
Dominant, pacy midfielders don't grow on trees unfortunately.
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 4, 2024 8:09:01 GMT
Dominant, pacy midfielders don't grow on trees unfortunately. I cannot believe I'm even asking this question, but should we venture down the Darragh Michael route.... substitute skill and ability for Athleticism. I see it a lot in development squads, where athletic players often progress further than the skilled player. |
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Post by veteran on Sept 4, 2024 9:17:41 GMT
Dominant, pacy midfielders don't grow on trees unfortunately. I cannot believe I'm even asking this question, but should we venture down the Darragh Michael route.... substitute skill and ability for Athleticism. I see it a lot in development squads, where athletic players often progress further than the skilled player. A lot of us are thinking that Joe O’Connor is in that mould or at least were hoping that would be the case. His progress has been stop start. I was very disappointed with him in the Stacks/Glenbeigh game. |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 4, 2024 9:24:38 GMT
Dominant, pacy midfielders don't grow on trees unfortunately. I cannot believe I'm even asking this question, but should we venture down the Darragh Michael route.... substitute skill and ability for Athleticism. I see it a lot in development squads, where athletic players often progress further than the skilled player. Think that Stefan Okunbar is in that category but seems injury prone unfortunately. In this regard too, Rob Monahan is a massive loss given his potential. |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Sept 4, 2024 10:55:45 GMT
I think Diarmuid is probably a top 10 intercounty midfielder and Joe has also improved. The problem is the lack of depth after this. Monahan and Mark O Connor are two of our finest midfield prospects over the past 10 years yet are not available. Cillian Burke of course could also play there at a push.
As others have said, athleticism is key in this position.
I am not sure Mark O Shea is a better player than Barry Dan but no harm giving him a run.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 4, 2024 11:21:51 GMT
Anybody who was in ASP on Monday night would have to be excited by the displays of Ben Murphy & Cillian Dennehy - Murphy has been well touted for his potential & rightly so but Dennehy looks a real prospect too - his availability in the AI minor semi final vs Derry could well have seen a different outcome.
Next week’s final on Monday night is an intriguing prospect.
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Post by veteran on Sept 4, 2024 11:57:57 GMT
Anybody who was in ASP on Monday night would have to be excited by the displays of Ben Murphy & Cillian Dennehy - Murphy has been well touted for his potential & rightly so but Dennehy looks a real prospect too - his availability in the AI minor semi final vs Derry could well have seen a different outcome. Next week’s final on Monday night is an intriguing prospect. I was standing next to some Austin Stack’s supporters in Killarney at the intermediate semifinals and they said Ben is being looked at by the Australian boys. Tailor made for that game unfortunately. |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 4, 2024 12:01:41 GMT
Anybody who was in ASP on Monday night would have to be excited by the displays of Ben Murphy & Cillian Dennehy - Murphy has been well touted for his potential & rightly so but Dennehy looks a real prospect too - his availability in the AI minor semi final vs Derry could well have seen a different outcome. Next week’s final on Monday night is an intriguing prospect. I was standing next to some Austin Stack’s supporters in Killarney at the intermediate semifinals and they said Ben is being looked at by the Australian boys. Tailor made for that game unfortunately. No surprise there - I understand that Ronan Carroll, Stacks plus Tomás Kennedy, Strand Road are also on their radar, unfortunately. |
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Post by veteran on Sept 4, 2024 12:20:07 GMT
I was standing next to some Austin Stack’s supporters in Killarney at the intermediate semifinals and they said Ben is being looked at by the Australian boys. Tailor made for that game unfortunately. No surprise there - I understand that Ronan Carroll, Stacks plus Tomás Kennedy, Strand Road are also on their radar, unfortunately. As my good friend Bob Dylan once said to me “ It’s not dark yet but it’s getting there” |
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 4, 2024 12:23:41 GMT
Curious about the number of lads being looked at by Oz scouts this year - is this normal and is it a long road from being looked at to getting an offer.
In my memory we have lost Mark O Conor, Davidad Uosis (apologies for my spelling), Rob Monaghan, Stefan (who has returned) over the past 8 years and now a load of names are being talked about this year or next - Cillian Burke, Ben Murphy, Charlie Keating, Tomas Kennedy and Ronan Carroll
How many Irish lads are actually playing first team footie in Oz at this time?
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