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Post by blacksheep21 on Feb 5, 2024 21:17:19 GMT
Given that nobody else has, I think I need to put forward the case for Paul Murphy. Paul has consistently over the past 10 years being one of our best and most consistent players. His lack of size and strength relative to others is an obvious weakness. Obvious is the key word here as you would be blind not to see it. If the main attribute for a defender was physical size and strength then Paul would be goosed.
However Paul has other strengths that in my view most of the time more than compensate his perceived physical disadvantages. Modern day defending is more about game intelligence, covering space and knowing when to commit to a tackle than hitting a lad a shoulder. Courage to take the ball under pressure and deliver the right pass is also crucial. Who of the contenders for Paul’s spot on the team are better than him at these skills. The fact they have bigger biceps is nice but we need a bit more,
He does not have many more years left but for 2024 he is a very important player whether starting or coming off the bench.
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Post by veteran on Feb 5, 2024 21:34:22 GMT
Staying with that 2008 final for a minute, we kicked high ball after high ball into the two lads while starving Colm Coper in the other corner who was much too good for Conor Gormley .
Regarding Bryan Sheehan’s missed forty five, I am sure he wasn’t helped by the PA announcing his impending substitution as he was about to take the free.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 5, 2024 21:38:14 GMT
In recent years Con has been ineffective but when he first burst in the scene he moved around. They don't seem to get the best out of him and he hasn't done much damage against us apart from the 19 replay. The only championship game Con has played against us was last years final.He was brilliant against us in league a couple of years ago in Thurles.I would nt be writing Con off.Even the last night he scored two lovely points v Mayo. Certainly wouldn't write off a footballer of Cons talent or record. However he hasn't played anywhere near his best in the last 2 seasons. A point widely held by Dublin supporters. We would be up in arms if we had David Clifford in midfield like Dublin had Con on Sat.
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Post by mike70 on Feb 5, 2024 21:58:23 GMT
“ No team in the country will mark Seanie and David in the full forward line” . RoyalKerryfan, when I saw that comment I couldn’t help thinking about the twin towers in 2008. And remember they had the Elusive Butterfly with them. Didn’t work out too well. It is well to be mindful that any player or indeed any line can be mastered on a particular day. Still, I take your point that two lads together inside is an exciting prospect. I suppose we will have an idea after the Mayo game. Agree veteran, no doubting the talent, but when the defensive system is applied, kerry can struggle, so for me it’s about how we dismantle the defensive system, you could have Gooch Clifford and Maurice fitz inside, but with 15 around them it gets difficult, mind you, thinking about, 3 magicians.
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Post by kerry4sam88 on Feb 5, 2024 22:00:13 GMT
A lot of positives to take out of yesterday's game. Obviously the performances of Seanie, Joe and Cillian have been well documented and hopefully it's a trend that will continue as the season goes on.
Thought the performance of Paul Murphy and Dara Moynihan were really good. Paul has been a wonderful servant to the green and gold and owes nothing to Kerry and while he might be in the twilight of his career I still think he's a vital cog in this machine whether coming on for the last 20-25 mins or starting outright. His intelligence on the ball and awareness to make himself available for the short kickouts is so vital when building out from the back and his relationship with his clubmate Shane is an obvious advantage. He may not be first choice if we had a full deck to choose from but still need players of Paul's quality within the squad.
As for Dara thought he worked really hard yesterday, got on a lot of ball got on the score sheet and a few posters including myself have wondered in the past what he's offering to keep his place if he can maintain that kind of performance over the season and chip in with a couple of points a game I will gladly eat my words!
Onwards to Mayo in 2 weeks for possibly another ASP sell out and another chance for the younger brigade to showcase their talents.
Final word on Sean Hurson who to be fair to him anytime I've seen him I cannot be but impressed with his officiating and in my view is in the top 3 refs in the country with David Gough just ahead of Hurson followed by Conor Lane. In contrast to Fergal Kelly the previous evening in the Mayo/Dublin clash it was very refreshing to see a ref let the game flow and called fouls when they were warranted and got the Kerry penalty claim spot on.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 6, 2024 12:01:31 GMT
“ No team in the country will mark Seanie and David in the full forward line” . RoyalKerryfan, when I saw that comment I couldn’t help thinking about the twin towers in 2008. And remember they had the Elusive Butterfly with them. Didn’t work out too well. It is well to be mindful that any player or indeed any line can be mastered on a particular day. Still, I take your point that two lads together inside is an exciting prospect. I suppose we will have an idea after the Mayo game. Agree veteran, no doubting the talent, but when the defensive system is applied, kerry can struggle, so for me it’s about how we dismantle the defensive system, you could have Gooch Clifford and Maurice fitz inside, but with 15 around them it gets difficult, mind you, thinking about, 3 magicians. Stopping a man playing is so unsporting but it is on the increase, what with tactics that spectators aren't even aware of. It takes so much from the game and I think the GAA need to look at this and do something about it. Purposeful targeted physical personal contact off the ball should be outlawed, getting in a players face, etc. Or am I a dreamer?
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Post by kot on Feb 6, 2024 12:30:55 GMT
Late to the party but positive performance as compared to the week before. We moved the ball better and faster than against Derry or Cork the week before. Big 2 games coming up.
Real confidence booster for Seanie in FF notching a Clifford standard final tally. Good fortune about the goal, but 5 from play will you win you MOTM most days out. Cillian Burke has an edge about him we have been lacking a bit, really interested to see how he develops.
We coughed up a lot of goal chances to Monaghan against the Breeze and got plenty of it from their forwards and midfield. Still plenty of work to be done, good win on the road before Mayo but it would have been preferable not to have had to call on David or Paudie before then.
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Post by seaniebo on Feb 6, 2024 16:17:49 GMT
Seánie O Shea is clearly in the form of his life and shooting the lights out. He's a pure joy to watch at present and an absolute nightmare to mark.
My one concern is if both Seánie and David Clifford are togged out in the full forward line come the white heat of championship that it may not reap dividends one might expect.
I think when Kerry come under the pump their sole go to man to find in the full forward line is David Clifford, as evidenced in last year's All Ireland final. I thought Paul Geaney was making great runs in that 2nd half and had his man beaten but the ball simply wasn't going to him. The likes of Dara Moynihan et al weren't even looking for Paul when it came down to the crunch. Ditto when Killian Spillane came on and kicked a beauty straight off the bat. He didn't receive much more ball after that with the lads intent in finding David instead. Yes I get that David is the obvious target. But we can't afford Seánie to be on the periphery.
Obviously Seánie is a completely different animal than the aforementioned Paul Geaney and Spillane. I still feel Paul has plenty to offer but he may have to be satisfied with a spot on the bench. I simply can't see a full forward line with all 3 (Seánie, Clifford and Geaney) working.
Perhaps we will see a 2 man full forward line of Seánie and David. However, key to that is finding a suitable replacement out the field. If Cillain Burke continues to rise than he is a massive find and a sure starter in the half forward line. However if he doesn't I think we may well see Seánie reverting to the 40 again.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 6, 2024 21:48:41 GMT
Rewatched the game on the way to work this morning.
I hope Jack gives Ronan Buckley more game time. We weren't in trouble when Jack withdrew him and I think it was a bit harsh on him.
Some lads are quicker to adapt than others to that level.
I was really impressed at the game with Cillian Bourke and Joe OConnor bit on 2nd viewing I thought Dylan Casey did very well too.
On a separate note a question was raised on terrace talk about Dan O Donoghue and the answer was that he's around the panel but must be injured.
Jack has not name checked him once so how correct that is who knows.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 6, 2024 22:26:48 GMT
Yes, Royal I also watched the game again, I thought Hurson let play develop and wasn't whistle happy, he's actually turned into the too five refs in country at mo.
Also Royal, when you rewatched, we're you surprised at the amount of times White was overturned in possession... it was staggering... with regard to Buckley, the first twenty passed him by and he was easily sidefooted for one of the goal chances saved by Ryan.. he was fairly anonymous, but I actually expected Adrain Spillane and not DC to come in.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 6, 2024 22:48:21 GMT
Yes, Royal I also watched the game again, I thought Hurson let play develop and wasn't whistle happy, he's actually turned into the too five refs in country at mo. Also Royal, when you rewatched, we're you surprised at the amount of times White was overturned in possession... it was staggering... with regard to Buckley, the first twenty passed him by and he was easily sidefooted for one of the goal chances saved by Ryan.. he was fairly anonymous, but I actually expected Adrain Spillane and not DC to come in. Well Horse, Yes I agree re Gavin, Felt he was looking to go forward too often. I had hoped Buckley would have made a bigger impact I've watched him now against, Limerick, Cork and on Sunday and he hasn't really stood out. I'm just hoping it's a settling in phase.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Feb 6, 2024 23:57:20 GMT
Yes, Royal I also watched the game again, I thought Hurson let play develop and wasn't whistle happy, he's actually turned into the too five refs in country at mo. Also Royal, when you rewatched, we're you surprised at the amount of times White was overturned in possession... it was staggering... with regard to Buckley, the first twenty passed him by and he was easily sidefooted for one of the goal chances saved by Ryan.. he was fairly anonymous, but I actually expected Adrain Spillane and not DC to come in. Well Horse, Yes I agree re Gavin, Felt he was looking to go forward too often. I had hoped Buckley would have made a bigger impact I've watched him now against, Limerick, Cork and on Sunday and he hasn't really stood out. I'm just hoping it's a settling in phase. I thought Buckley would offer something too but I’ve no hope now. He looked way off the level against both Cork and Monaghan, 2 games which are levels off we will face in Croke Park in the Summer. He’s turning 27 too so not like he’s just out of u20. Step up to inter county looks too big for him, good club player.
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Post by tpo on Feb 7, 2024 11:22:18 GMT
When Gavin goes on a run, 2/3 opposition players used to close him down. A lot of tired bodies for opposition.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Feb 7, 2024 12:10:10 GMT
Gavin White needs to learn to run off the shoulder and use his pace that way. It took Darren O'Sullivan a while to understand and I think it was 2011 when it finally clicked. He was in line for MOTM in that final. McCaffreys goal in first game in 2019 is a prime example of how to use pace.
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 7, 2024 18:58:58 GMT
Gavin White needs to learn to run off the shoulder and use his pace that way. It took Darren O'Sullivan a while to understand and I think it was 2011 when it finally clicked. He was in line for MOTM in that final. McCaffreys goal in first game in 2019 is a prime example of how to use pace. If memory serves me right I think Darran was in contention with Gooch for POTY that year. Scored goals vs Limerick & Cork in Munster, including a rocket in the Munster Final in Killarney. As well as a cheeky backheel vs Limerick in Croke Park. Also assisted Goochs goal vs Dublin in All Ireland final. Definitely his best season in a Kerry jersey in my opinion.
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Post by tpo on Feb 7, 2024 20:41:41 GMT
Darran was a forward, much shorter runs compared to Gavin who runs from his own half
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