mossie
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Post by mossie on Jul 4, 2023 18:39:20 GMT
There are some seriously unfair comments on this topic. East Kerry struggled to get going this year...5 clubs involved. Their management did very well to get to the final with the player pool available to them. It has been widely known that East Kerry would be down almost half that panel this week if they made the final. North Kerry should have agreed last week to postpone the game. Not sure what some poster's problem is with Patrick O Sullivan! Seems fairly cut and dried to me. North Kerry with a huge player base (Is it 12 or 13 clubs)? Wouldn't agree to a postponement of a Premier competition where genuine reasons dictated they should....and the Chairman rightly stepped in. A walkover?? That would have made a farce of the competition. Would North Kerry actually allow their players take the field with no opposition on the field and take a walkover??? I definitely think the chairperson of the NK board were poor and showed a sincere lack of football knowledge - this push to have NK the centre of football is proving pretty detrimental - we now have 12 club NK moaning - nothing about player welfare - lads doing leaving cert and college exams etc that calendar is not set in stone - why haven't Ardfert played their 2 county league games against Knock and Sundays game against Mitchels are off - due to hurling - they too were in the calendar - the mistake that was made was that the CB issued the date knowing the situation as it was - the dog in the street know why NK are insisting on playing it now and few EK players will be back in the fold in a few weeks and with them - EK would probably beat that NK team by 12 points where is the player welfare issue that North Kerry should be advocating over and above any other team? The dates in the competition are the same for every team. The calender is supposed to be set in stone but North Kerry were the strongest of all in asking that it not be set in stone offering that the match go back a week Ardert are not under the NK football board, I expect that there has been a flexibility for dual clubs around county football league fixtures in the middle of the hurling championship, nothing wrong with that |
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Post by mack21 on Jul 5, 2023 7:23:36 GMT
Is the u21 final being streamed by any chance tonight?
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Post by kingdomgreenandgold on Jul 5, 2023 14:08:07 GMT
There are some seriously unfair comments on this topic. East Kerry struggled to get going this year...5 clubs involved. Their management did very well to get to the final with the player pool available to them. It has been widely known that East Kerry would be down almost half that panel this week if they made the final. North Kerry should have agreed last week to postpone the game. Not sure what some poster's problem is with Patrick O Sullivan! Seems fairly cut and dried to me. North Kerry with a huge player base (Is it 12 or 13 clubs)? Wouldn't agree to a postponement of a Premier competition where genuine reasons dictated they should....and the Chairman rightly stepped in. A walkover?? That would have made a farce of the competition. Would North Kerry actually allow their players take the field with no opposition on the field and take a walkover??? I definitely think the chairperson of the NK board were poor and showed a sincere lack of football knowledge - this push to have NK the centre of football is proving pretty detrimental - we now have 12 club NK moaning - nothing about player welfare - lads doing leaving cert and college exams etc that calendar is not set in stone - why haven't Ardfert played their 2 county league games against Knock and Sundays game against Mitchels are off - due to hurling - they too were in the calendar - the mistake that was made was that the CB issued the date knowing the situation as it was - the dog in the street know why NK are insisting on playing it now and few EK players will be back in the fold in a few weeks and with them - EK would probably beat that NK team by 12 points What player welfare should NK be looking at? The point on Ardfert doesn’t really stand as it’s a league v championship and also senior v U21, can’t really compare a Div 3 county league game to a U21 Co Final. There’s also an understanding with dual clubs and county board around hurling championship time to prioritise championship. Also NK wanting to play the game has many factors, you can’t just let a final go out to October, who knows what players on both would be available/fit/in the country, and also that is around county championship time anyway hardly ideal throwing an U21 county final in the middle of that. And I think myself a main motivator for NK in being so insistent is that they asked EK to move last years game due to hurling and EK refused. Didn’t see much fuss from people around that time, but again it didn’t really suit the golden EK narrative |
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Post by kingdomgreenandgold on Jul 5, 2023 16:04:14 GMT
When did the North Kerry boys get so passionate about U21 football championships? Maybe if ye were this concerned a few years ago ye would have tried developing yer players instead of making a 12 team division in the hopes of winning a farce of a final against an east kerry team missing 12 starters. Sorry lads but a few county medals for 21 or 2 u21s isnt going to do much to improve the standard of football in hurling country. Well you’re all for promoting football across the county anyway. The 12 clubs thing bites ye hard |
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Post by kingdomgreenandgold on Jul 5, 2023 16:08:35 GMT
At count how many clubs are represented tonight through the players that play and I bet it won’t be 12.
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Post by kingdomgreenandgold on Jul 5, 2023 21:06:13 GMT
Ye’re all welcome on a tour of the 12 clubs this week
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horsebox77
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 5, 2023 21:22:15 GMT
Cracking game of football, Rob Stack, Maher and Cormack Dillon were the pick of NK ... serious value for a tenner, you'd nearly go and throw them another fiver on the way out...
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mossie
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Post by mossie on Jul 5, 2023 21:28:08 GMT
When did the North Kerry boys get so passionate about U21 football championships? Maybe if ye were this concerned a few years ago ye would have tried developing yer players instead of making a 12 team division in the hopes of winning a farce of a final against an east kerry team missing 12 starters. Sorry lads but a few county medals for 21 or 2 u21s isnt going to do much to improve the standard of football in hurling country. is 12 your favourite number? 12 clubs, 12 east kerry starters missing 12 this and 12 that if 12 of your players decide to be on holidays on the date the final was fixed for weeks and weeks back well then not so sure what to say well anyways fair play to North Kerry and the county board for being flexible enough the match back a week to assist East Kerry glad the match went ahead a lot of talent in north kerry, ditto east kerry especially when you consider east kerry havent the usual pick they have , this under 20 team had a smaller pot of clubs to go than previous east kerry teams |
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 6, 2023 8:15:13 GMT
When did the North Kerry boys get so passionate about U21 football championships? Maybe if ye were this concerned a few years ago ye would have tried developing yer players instead of making a 12 team division in the hopes of winning a farce of a final against an east kerry team missing 12 starters. Sorry lads but a few county medals for 21 or 2 u21s isnt going to do much to improve the standard of football in hurling country. So you're saying it didn't matter earlier way to East Kerry as they weren't passionate about it? Did you have any issues with East Kerry having a pick of most of the clubs when they were winning it every year? |
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Post by southward on Jul 6, 2023 16:38:25 GMT
What's with the bitc*ing about North Kerry U21s? For years, people have been complaining about NK being a footballing wasteland. Now, come the first signs of progress, the green-eyed monster makes an appearance.
Surely a renaissance in NK is good for the county as a whole. And so what if there's a pile of clubs involved? - it's almost all lower division junior clubs anyway, unlike some other entities in recent times that were like a who's who of Kerry football.
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Post by riddler on Jul 6, 2023 18:39:48 GMT
When did the North Kerry boys get so passionate about U21 football championships? Maybe if ye were this concerned a few years ago ye would have tried developing yer players instead of making a 12 team division in the hopes of winning a farce of a final against an east kerry team missing 12 starters. Sorry lads but a few county medals for 21 or 2 u21s isnt going to do much to improve the standard of football in hurling country. South Kerry have a bigger geographical area pick and 9 or 10 clubs when they were winning their county champs Not much of a difference to this North Kerry set up |
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Post by kerrysouth on Jul 7, 2023 0:11:02 GMT
I was slow getting involved in this debate but now that south Kerry are used for comparison I feel the need to participate .Firstly congratulations to North Kerry on winning the u21 championship in what was a fairly poor championship overall due in the main to the amount of players missing from all teams for various reasons.South Kerry in reality don’t have the number of teams as suggested as Sneem and Derrynane are an amalgamation Valentia have barely existed for a number of years and even in 2009 south Kerry won with st Michaels foilmore being senior that year.Remember Feale Rangers won the county championship in 2008 and were favourites when beaten in the semi final in 2009 so I don’t get this doom and gloom about north Kerry football .Where they do struggle and where a lot of the problems arise is with the big town of listowel and the secondary school there .When was the last time they competed at corn ui mhuiri level.. colaiste sceilige have competed at this level for years and even small schools ie milltown and Rathmore have competed at this level this year .Also most of the clubs are competing at such a lower league level that they are ill prepared to transition to Kerry senior level when given the opportunity hence just one north Kerry player on the Kerry senior panel that played last weekend .There were approx 14 counting Kenmare from East Kerry and one from my own division south Kerry.This is reality and just facts and the common denominator is a strong club structure with all the teams in div 1 2 3 county league and most playing senior or intermediate club championship and strong schools system .. Jack o Connor and his successors will continue to pick the majority of his panel from these clubs what happens at 16 to 19 is not relevant if they fall off a cliff after or in most instances choose hurling where they can realistically aspire to playing senior inter county ..so message to north Kerry clubs aspire to getting your team up the divisions and sort out your school football .All genuine Kerry supporters want to see north Kerry football thriving and remember back in 2008 when Feale rangers won that championship ye had fitzmaurice Galvin Kennelly x 2 on the Kerry team ..
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Post by mike70 on Jul 7, 2023 5:47:46 GMT
Bottom line, congrats to NK on winning the championship, as they say, you can only beat what’s put in front of you.
You could debate about this that and the other, players travel, injured or not available for one reason or another, that impacts most teams in the life of a competition, maybe NK got the rub of green this year, so good luck to them, let’s hope they can build in it across the senior championship with the feale and Shannon rangers.
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Post by shannonsider on Jul 7, 2023 11:58:39 GMT
Great win for North Kerry Wednesday night. I wasn't at the game but speaking to those who were the players showed massive character to rally several times and to keep their focus for extra time especially. It's a great achievement and on top of the Minor win last year is a positive boost for NK football.
Now on the issue of joined up team for SFC: I think it's likely to happen now. But I don't think NK Seniors would be competing at the business end for a few years yet as the comparative strength is there yet until some of this younger generation come through.
What has been mentioned above that 100% needs to be done right NOW - is a focus on schools. Tarbert comp and St Michaels in Listowel especially are not fulfilling even 30% of their potential currently. They have both had some top quality Kerry minors come through their corridors in recent years but there has been very little work done or structures put in place to create excellence or push up through the levels in either school. Ballybunnion is a smaller school but will produce some good players too. Causeway is hurling focused but look at some of the players that have come out of there like Evan Boyle and many other fine footballers from Ballyduff, so you can't ignore it.
If the County board and north Kerry board just rest on their laurels and do nothing but admire the current good underage teams - in a few years we will be back to the same sh*t show again and that cycle will continue.
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