horsebox77
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 27, 2023 9:50:51 GMT
[quote author. Trophies should be earned and won on the field.[/quote]
Every true Gaa person will agree, but unfort there must be a break down somewhere between both participating boards and their governing counterparts at county level.
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Post by keane on Jun 27, 2023 10:35:31 GMT
Don't know for sure...but was told by someone claiming to be in the know that there's a good few of them gone on family holidays this week. Pfft, game should be played with what they have or forfeited in that case. These are adults, right? If they don't want a county title enough to turn up and play for it that's their own look out. |
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Post by glengael on Jun 27, 2023 10:40:51 GMT
I think the composition of East Kerry is so changeable that some people assume it includes all clubs in the Division outside of Crokes and Rathmore.
Which it doesn't.
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Post by mack21 on Jun 27, 2023 10:54:41 GMT
East kerry haven't the numbers to take the field this week without the missing lads. They would have got slaughtered...end of story. North do actually have massive numbers.It puts nobody up or down to postpone the game.
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Post by kingdomgreenandgold on Jun 27, 2023 13:33:08 GMT
East kerry haven't the numbers to take the field this week without the missing lads. They would have got slaughtered...end of story. North do actually have massive numbers.It puts nobody up or down to postpone the game. Postponing is fine but, for East Kerry next week doesn’t suit them either as their players won’t be back. Then the County Hurling Championship quarter finals kick in, you’re asking North Kerry players to play a Co. Final on a Wednesday and then a Co. Championship hurling quarterfinal on Saturday. Doesn’t work no matter what way you put it, asking hurling clubs to go without some of their players in the middle of their championship because East Kerry have a few lads away on holidays. Fellas knew the schedule of the championship and shouldn’t have been booking holidays in the middle of it. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 27, 2023 14:30:58 GMT
Don't know for sure...but was told by someone claiming to be in the know that there's a good few of them gone on family holidays this week. Pfft, game should be played with what they have or forfeited in that case. These are adults, right? If they don't want a county title enough to turn up and play for it that's their own look out. Crazy call alright to postpone it |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 27, 2023 14:32:01 GMT
What’s the minimum number of lads that you need to claim are on holidays before the county board will postpone a game?
Just asking incase I ever need it
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Post by mack21 on Jun 27, 2023 14:36:09 GMT
County Hurling final was played on the 7th August last year.That means a lot of lads were idle for a good part of the Summer. What's the rush with quarterfinals the first weekend in July? Give fellas a chance.. Pedal to the metal for a few weeks and no games for a few months. Nonsense fixturing. But I take the point that fellas should check the fixture list before booking holidays.. Unfortunately they rarely do.
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Post by Premier on Jun 27, 2023 14:54:48 GMT
Massive numbers?  Gneeguilla are 13 a side at minor level...Listry are joined with keel underage..Fossa have a small pool at that age. That leaves Kilcummin and they're far from "massive numbers" also. East Kerry may have won a lot in the past few years but the agenda to shift the powerbase of kerry football to the North is tiresome at this stage. Real GAA people know how quietly efficient and diligent clubs in the East of the county have been over the last 10 years. Seems to me that there's a cohort away from the East who when they finally look after their own "massive numbers" and get their act together expect glory to follow instantly. Rome wasn't built in a day.. There are no shortcuts. Trophies should be earned and won on the field. Keel/Listry are division 1 at minor level and Kilcummin are one of the biggest parishes in the county so I don’t think lack of players could ever be cited as an issue |
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Post by mack21 on Jun 27, 2023 14:57:14 GMT
Massive numbers? Gneeguilla are 13 a side at minor level...Listry are joined with keel underage..Fossa have a small pool at that age. That leaves Kilcummin and they're far from "massive numbers" also. East Kerry may have won a lot in the past few years but the agenda to shift the powerbase of kerry football to the North is tiresome at this stage. Real GAA people know how quietly efficient and diligent clubs in the East of the county have been over the last 10 years. Seems to me that there's a cohort away from the East who when they finally look after their own "massive numbers" and get their act together expect glory to follow instantly. Rome wasn't built in a day.. There are no shortcuts. Trophies should be earned and won on the field. Keel/Listry are division 1 at minor level and Kilcummin are one of the biggest parishes in the county so I don’t think lack of players could ever be cited as an issue |
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Post by mack21 on Jun 27, 2023 14:58:18 GMT
We're onto size of parishes now are we? Time to split Kilcummin in 2.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Jun 27, 2023 16:16:59 GMT
No just time to be honest and upfront in what ye are doing the management of the east Kerry team knew those players were going away before the semi finals stage it absolutely ruins the integrity of the competition and completely devalues it
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Post by diego on Jun 27, 2023 16:34:59 GMT
I did think East Kerry seemed unusually light on numbers last week in Glenbeigh.
26 names on the program but could only see about 20 or 21 togged out. Leaving cert probably a factor.
An interesting name at the end of the 26 but not togged out was Ruairi Murphy, who could be available very soon but not before Saturday.
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Post by Kerryman 2 on Jun 27, 2023 19:48:40 GMT
I just don’t get why people are blaming Patrick o sullivan. Patrick has done wonders for the county the Kerry centre of excellence wouldn’t be here without him. I think very disappointing comments. He had nothing to do with the process. East Kerry emailed the county board saying they were unable to field a team to county secretary so unable to fulfil the fixture. The county board automatically postpone the game to wait for the county board CCCC to meet on the matter which he isn’t chairperson or secretary of. Point two the blame is on east Kerry completely there at fault. Yes it is very harsh outcome for north Kerry because really it be up to them to take the win or arrange a new date. Hopefully in my eyes north Kerry purpose to refix for next week. And if east Kerry don’t take that date I take the awarding of the game. And hopefully Kerry win and Ruairi Murphy wont be excuse as well. Also point three the candidate from north Kerry that with for chairperson was part of the process that picked the current Kerry management team. He was part of that Jack O’Connor management teams when he was over the minors and under21s. And never stood down from committee when jack entered the race. (Which was badly handle by county board)When he came looking for votes a few months later this was said to him and he said he shouldn’t have step down. Around the same time Bernard dinner withdrew from Galway interview panel because he knew Davy Fitzgerald. So really he should have step away from the process And this why he never had a chance of becoming chairperson. Article below the42.ie/5592191I’m not from north Kerry or east Kerry neutral here but calling people out like that shouldn’t happen unless you have evidence otherwise. |
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Post by diego on Jun 27, 2023 20:21:19 GMT
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Post by kerryblueboy on Jun 27, 2023 20:44:59 GMT
What about the young guys from north Kerry who have holidays and travel plans made on the assumption the final would go ahead as planned they offered to play next week which was no suitable to east Kerry either
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Post by mossie on Jun 27, 2023 20:54:08 GMT
A few points on this Blaming and personalising this towards Patrick O'Sullivan is completely unfair. Also, why Eamonn Whelan has been brought into it is beyond me This is very tricky for the county board. This is holiday season and will be for a few weeks to come, no doubt if the , match is switched to accommodate the east kerry players on holiday by the board well then on the new date you will have some North Kerry players on holiday. That is hardly fair. the player that booked his holiday planned around the fixtures calendar gets punished The North Kerry Board have offered to put the match back near a week so the holidays must be long ones! their spokesperson comes across very reasonable below redirect.viglink.com/?key=d14ee2c8178f455cd173f16331c6832b&subId=393539&u=https%3A//www.independent.ie/regionals/kerry/sport/gaa/county-under-21-football-final-impasse-as-east-kerry-cannot-field-team-against-north-kerry/a1347533247.htmlThese few weeks are supposed to be weeks where the hurling clubs have priority access to players and the calendar, yet dual players still have county league football and under 21 football championship. I imagine the North Kerry football board were already pushing things a bit with the hurling clubs with players playing under 21 football championship a few days before the round robin senior hurling championship matches. If the match goes beyond next week, well then players will be playing under 21 football championship the week of knockout hurling matches ( quarter finals) Unfortunate for East Kerry that they have so many players on holidays, but to accommodate them is it right to punish the players who may booked their holidays around the calendar and the hurling clubs in what is supposed to be time of the year where hurling is priority. The hurling clubs have already got the thin end of the wedge in terms of when their competitions are played No easy solution here, I expect it will work out that the match will be played 2 weeks later than the original fixture and the handful of dual players and the hurling clubs will have to just suck it up . thats how I see it playing out |
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 28, 2023 8:05:59 GMT
What’s the minimum number of lads that you need to claim are on holidays before the county board will postpone a game? Just asking incase I ever need it That's actually a good point. I would imagine it'd have to be quite a few, something like 4/5 otherwise teams would be calling off games every week during the summer. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 28, 2023 10:30:19 GMT
What’s the minimum number of lads that you need to claim are on holidays before the county board will postpone a game? Just asking incase I ever need it That's actually a good point. I would imagine it'd have to be quite a few, something like 4/5 otherwise teams would be calling off games every week during the summer. Exactly or using such an excuse to allow injuries to heal or suspensions to pass. People need to be very careful with precedent |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 11:18:38 GMT
What about the young guys from north Kerry who have holidays and travel plans made on the assumption the final would go ahead as planned they offered to play next week which was no suitable to east Kerry either North Kerry have said they will be able to play the game early next week. I assume they wont have any key players missing whilst east Kerry do not have a team. |
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Post by blushingbride on Jun 28, 2023 23:52:52 GMT
County Hurling final was played on the 7th August last year.That means a lot of lads were idle for a good part of the Summer. What's the rush with quarterfinals the first weekend in July? Give fellas a chance.. Pedal to the metal for a few weeks and no games for a few months. Nonsense fixturing. But I take the point that fellas should check the fixture list before booking holidays.. Unfortunately they rarely do. |
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Post by blushingbride on Jun 29, 2023 0:05:20 GMT
What about the Intermediate, Minor and Junior Hurling Championships all running in between the Senior hurling championships, are these players not important. And then the Club Championships are starting in the weekend of July 22nd/23rd Can I ask who "Were Idle for a good part of the Summer", Who is idle??? This just proves to me that in East Kerry they only think about how fixtures effect their players, narrow minded thinking and not looking at the who fixture plan by the way you can see it from January each year in the thing called the Eolaire, which is produced by the County Board every year. And how your opponents maybe effected, but I guess you don't need opponents to play a team sport right you just need to go on holiday and ask the rest of the county to facilitate your plans. The management and officers are the people who should be organised and have their players informed of the competitions they enter.
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Post by kingdomgreenandgold on Jun 29, 2023 20:39:18 GMT
Game refixed for next Wednesday night in ASP
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 29, 2023 21:22:17 GMT
Interesting how the CB can find a date to refix this yet over the years the same hasn't been done for hurling finals. Last years county league final being an example.
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Post by blushingbride on Jun 29, 2023 22:39:38 GMT
The County Board didnt find a date, the North Kerry Board gave an alternative date to East Kerry which they rejected up until the 11th hour and agreed then to the date because 1. They were going to be kicked out under rule and the fine would have been quite heavy due to loss of revenue to the Board and 2. they were shamed into it after the truth was told yesterday plastered all over the internet and Kerryman. County Board only facilitated it because both clubs agreed and no fixtures were effected.
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Post by blushingbride on Jun 29, 2023 22:46:54 GMT
What about the young guys from north Kerry who have holidays and travel plans made on the assumption the final would go ahead as planned they offered to play next week which was no suitable to east Kerry either North Kerry have said they will be able to play the game early next week. I assume they wont have any key players missing whilst east Kerry do not have a team. North Kerry want to play the match, yes there players go on holidays too. but the difference here is they are all actually staying at home or changing their flights even to facilitate the East Kerry crew who are coming back from holidays. In short they want to play the match. Extra expense but who cares they are only from the crowd up North were the football is * |
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Post by mossie on Jun 29, 2023 23:04:22 GMT
Interesting how the CB can find a date to refix this yet over the years the same hasn't been done for hurling finals. Last years county league final being an example. the 2014 county hurling final went to a replay The replay was on a day after a player was getting married wedding friday, match saturday, match went ahead |
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on Jul 4, 2023 17:17:44 GMT
I have only one serious issue with this U21 final - Ruairi Murphy should be playing - he didn't play Sunday with the Kerry seniors and the semi final is 2 weeks away - this is the main reason NK are insisting to play the game now - sure its holding nothing up - it could be played next October - when we'll have nothing to watch!! - He was man of the match last year and it was this game that propelled him forward - He should play and if he does - and if NK win - least then the win wont be tarnished - winning against a team handicapped by a stupid rule is kat.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on Jul 4, 2023 17:28:48 GMT
There are some seriously unfair comments on this topic. East Kerry struggled to get going this year...5 clubs involved. Their management did very well to get to the final with the player pool available to them. It has been widely known that East Kerry would be down almost half that panel this week if they made the final. North Kerry should have agreed last week to postpone the game. Not sure what some poster's problem is with Patrick O Sullivan! Seems fairly cut and dried to me. North Kerry with a huge player base (Is it 12 or 13 clubs)? Wouldn't agree to a postponement of a Premier competition where genuine reasons dictated they should....and the Chairman rightly stepped in. A walkover?? That would have made a farce of the competition. Would North Kerry actually allow their players take the field with no opposition on the field and take a walkover??? I definitely think the chairperson of the NK board were poor and showed a sincere lack of football knowledge - this push to have NK the centre of football is proving pretty detrimental - we now have 12 club NK moaning - nothing about player welfare - lads doing leaving cert and college exams etc that calendar is not set in stone - why haven't Ardfert played their 2 county league games against Knock and Sundays game against Mitchels are off - due to hurling - they too were in the calendar - the mistake that was made was that the CB issued the date knowing the situation as it was - the dog in the street know why NK are insisting on playing it now and few EK players will be back in the fold in a few weeks and with them - EK would probably beat that NK team by 12 points |
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Post by mossie on Jul 4, 2023 18:17:06 GMT
I have only one serious issue with this U21 final - Ruairi Murphy should be playing - he didn't play Sunday with the Kerry seniors and the semi final is 2 weeks away - this is the main reason NK are insisting to play the game now - sure its holding nothing up - it could be played next October - when we'll have nothing to watch!! - He was man of the match last year and it was this game that propelled him forward - He should play and if he does - and if NK win - least then the win wont be tarnished - winning against a team handicapped by a stupid rule is kat. I see no reason why Ruari Murphy couldnt play Got no game time at the weekend , a match tommorow night would do him good That is not a call that North Kerry can make though |
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Gneeguilla are 13 a side at minor level...Listry are joined with keel underage..Fossa have a small pool at that age. That leaves Kilcummin and they're far from "massive numbers" also. East Kerry may have won a lot in the past few years but the agenda to shift the powerbase of kerry football to the North is tiresome at this stage. Real GAA people know how quietly efficient and diligent clubs in the East of the county have been over the last 10 years. Seems to me that there's a cohort away from the East who when they finally look after their own "massive numbers" and get their act together expect glory to follow instantly. Rome wasn't built in a day.. There are no shortcuts. Trophies should be earned and won on the field.