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Post by ciarrai74 on Apr 10, 2023 16:55:23 GMT
Cillian is done of it since the injury. I mean Marquee forwards etc. Kerry have David Clifford, Dublin have Con o'callaghan, P.Mannion and Galway have S,Walsh. Mayo have nobody in that class. I class Mayo as a hard working side but will ultimatly fall short of the holy grail.
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 10, 2023 17:37:31 GMT
Some are spouting online that the provincial championship is dead.
Roscommon, New York and Clare results point the argument in a different direction.
As for ourselves, we have Tipperary now at home - winners take the field against Clare or Waterford yes?
Delighted for Clare and Mr Collins, for three or four years in a row they drew Kerry first round, must have been demoralizing.
Really disappointed in Cork, I though they were building something.but I suppose, Clare like Roscommon had the perfect ambush
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 10, 2023 18:03:37 GMT
Some are spouting online that the provincial championship is dead. Roscommon, New York and Clare results point the argument in a different direction. As for ourselves, we have Tipperary now at home - winners take the field against Clare or Waterford yes? Delighted for Clare and Mr Collins, for three or four years in a row they drew Kerry first round, must have been demoralizing. Really disappointed in Cork, I though they were building something.but I suppose, Clare like Roscommon had the perfect ambush I think a lot of the talk about the provincial championships being dead will die down when the draw for the group stages are made and people see exactly the advantage of winning (or even getting to the final and losing) a provincial championship will give you. Also winners of Kerry Tipperary play either Clare or Limerick (Tipp beat Waterford who are into the Tailteann Cup)
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Post by hurlingman on Apr 10, 2023 18:36:43 GMT
Some posters can't get over themselves. Aidan Ó Shea being slagged again over one game yet was very good in the league. Easy to kick people when they down. That's what small minded people do! More worried about teams. I still think Mayo will gave a big say in the championship but maybe they are serial losers like crotta. To be fair AOS when things don't go well for him they really don't go well and that's a fact. You can usually tell when it's not going well for him as he starts to trow his weight around. Very very lucky not to be sent off yesterday.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 10, 2023 19:19:58 GMT
Cillian is done of it since the injury. I mean Marquee forwards etc. Kerry have David Clifford, Dublin have Con o'callaghan, P.Mannion and Galway have S,Walsh. Mayo have nobody in that class. I class Mayo as a hard working side but will ultimatly fall short of the holy grail. Yeah I agree with you there.. They don't have a star forward.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 10, 2023 19:51:41 GMT
Some are spouting online that the provincial championship is dead. Roscommon, New York and Clare results point the argument in a different direction. As for ourselves, we have Tipperary now at home - winners take the field against Clare or Waterford yes? Delighted for Clare and Mr Collins, for three or four years in a row they drew Kerry first round, must have been demoralizing. Really disappointed in Cork, I though they were building something.but I suppose, Clare like Roscommon had the perfect ambush Not beyond the realms of possibility that Limerick might be carefully planning their own ambush of a complacent Clare in a couple of weeks. If this weekend has shown anything its that League form is going out the window.
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Post by rossranger on Apr 11, 2023 4:56:45 GMT
I honestly that Cork will go further than Clare in the championship and Mayo will go further than the Rossies. I think both Cork and Mayo might be better off on this route. The only problem for Cork is if both Meath and Cavan reached provincial finals they would be eliminated. I also think Mayo losing is a good result for us too as it might keep them away from us till a final. Clare have been a better championship team than Cork since Colm Collins took over. Reading back another poster said Clare were long overdue a big win yet how big was that win? yes big in to avoid the B All Ireland but beating Roscommon last year and 2016 to reach the last 8 of the championship was far better and bigger wins. I think Roscommon might reach the Quarter final this summer which along with a 3rd place finish in Div 1 would be a good first year for Davy Burke. Not convinced if Mayo will get much further than All Ireland Quarter final themselves. They have too many rookies in defence, playing Loftus (a forward) at number 6 will continue to get exposed and the physical strength they use to have in middle 8 (2013 to 2017) that would bully the opposition is no longer there. I'm expecting the last 4 to be Galway,Tyrone,Kerry and Dublin but perhaps this new format will take on a life of it's own?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 11, 2023 7:21:16 GMT
The Kevin Walsh affect. Overdefensive and full of fear.
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 11, 2023 8:34:54 GMT
Has this not shown a major flaw in this championship? Mayo are in a better position now having lost. They have less games now to win Sam. Surely you can't be rewarded for losing ? For all the teams that qualified for Sam via the league, their Sam competition starts with the 1st round of the Round Robin on 21st or 28th of May. For Kerry, Mayo, Dublin, etc. - for them, the Provincial Championship is no more a part of the Sam competition than the league was. The only teams who have less games to win Sam are those who finish top of their group. Or perhaps you could say Westmeath have the least games in 2023 to win Sam as neither the league nor the Championship affected their position in the Sam competition, which wasn't the case for any other county.
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Post by kot on Apr 11, 2023 15:49:30 GMT
Deary me Cork. I thought they would struggle alright without Hurley in particular.
Clare at odds of 10/3 was crazy enough given their rotten luck in Div 2 this year and with some big players around the middle coming back in.
Assuming both teams win their semi final, the final will be on in the Gaelic Grounds rather than home / away? Cusack Park wouldn't have capacity either for it.
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Post by kot on Apr 11, 2023 16:01:27 GMT
After winning the league last weekend, it was never going to be easy for Mayo to reach those heights again today, with the safety net in the back of their mind, I don’t think they are to bothered with todays loss. Rest and regroup while others battle on to win a provincial title, come back recharged, 3 games to play and potentially land in a semi final. I do think we are going to see the end of the provincials. Agree with that but I think those old heads in the provincial councils might use the drama in New York and Ennis as an excuse to keep it going for the time being. Mayo having a block training is probably better for them at this stage.
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Post by rossranger on Apr 11, 2023 16:06:35 GMT
The Kevin Walsh affect. Overdefensive and full of fear. If he was given the Cork management role you would see Cork improving however at the moment he only has a bit part coaching role. When he took over Galway they were in a similar position to Cork right now, middle of the road Div 2 team and hadn't been in Div 1 and hadn't won a provincial title for a number years. Current Galway team is thanks to the ground work of Walsh and have since moved on due to so many out of their 2020 All Ireland U20 winning team holding their own at senior level, that was probably the best U20 team since that grade was introduced in 2018.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 11, 2023 17:28:16 GMT
The Kevin Walsh affect. Overdefensive and full of fear. If he was given the Cork management role you would see Cork improving however at the moment he only has a bit part coaching role. When he took over Galway they were in a similar position to Cork right now, middle of the road Div 2 team and hadn't been in Div 1 and hadn't won a provincial title for a number years. Current Galway team is thanks to the ground work of Walsh and have since moved on due to so many out of their 2020 All Ireland U20 winning team holding their own at senior level, that was probably the best U20 team since that grade was introduced in 2018. Not sure about that he definitely set a decent standard but galway just have better players than cork imo. Underage success in football for cork can be meaningless really as they lose so many to hurling and to a lesser extent rugby etc. Galway had the best club team playing a super brand in corofin and shane walsh comer etc. I think walsh might and i stress might make cork defensively more solid but it was scoring that lost the clare match for them. Walsh used to have his namesake shane playing a defensive role for god sake hardly a tactical genius imo.
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Post by mossie on Apr 11, 2023 22:21:50 GMT
If he was given the Cork management role you would see Cork improving however at the moment he only has a bit part coaching role. When he took over Galway they were in a similar position to Cork right now, middle of the road Div 2 team and hadn't been in Div 1 and hadn't won a provincial title for a number years. Current Galway team is thanks to the ground work of Walsh and have since moved on due to so many out of their 2020 All Ireland U20 winning team holding their own at senior level, that was probably the best U20 team since that grade was introduced in 2018. Not sure about that he definitely set a decent standard but galway just have better players than cork imo. Underage success in football for cork can be meaningless really as they lose so many to hurling and to a lesser extent rugby etc. Galway had the best club team playing a super brand in corofin and shane walsh comer etc. I think walsh might and i stress might make cork defensively more solid but it was scoring that lost the clare match for them. Walsh used to have his namesake shane playing a defensive role for god sake hardly a tactical genius imo. should still enough talent in cork even allowing for slippage to hurling and rugby Sure Clare has less underage football success, less footballers , less football clubs , plenty of slippage of players to hurling and still manage to beat Cork in football and do so too on occasion in hurling Shane Meehan from Ennis was an unreal football talent but is gone the hurling route Podge Collins missed football many a year owing to hurling There are a few players on the present senior hurling panel who Colm Collins would like for the football I really dont know what Cork are at, blaming slippage to rugby and hurling doesnt fully stack up
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Post by dc84 on Apr 12, 2023 11:35:22 GMT
Not sure about that he definitely set a decent standard but galway just have better players than cork imo. Underage success in football for cork can be meaningless really as they lose so many to hurling and to a lesser extent rugby etc. Galway had the best club team playing a super brand in corofin and shane walsh comer etc. I think walsh might and i stress might make cork defensively more solid but it was scoring that lost the clare match for them. Walsh used to have his namesake shane playing a defensive role for god sake hardly a tactical genius imo. should still enough talent in cork even allowing for slippage to hurling and rugby Sure Clare has less underage football success, less footballers , less football clubs , plenty of slippage of players to hurling and still manage to beat Cork in football and do so too on occasion in hurling Shane Meehan from Ennis was an unreal football talent but is gone the hurling route Podge Collins missed football many a year owing to hurling There are a few players on the present senior hurling panel who Colm Collins would like for the football I really dont know what Cork are at, blaming slippage to rugby and hurling doesnt fully stack up I was comparing cork to galway not clare cork should not be losing to clare etc. No matter any slippage and should also be closer to us and all div 1 teams. Cork are a shambles in hurling and football with a decade at least im not making excuses for them i was merely saying there was better talent in galway when walsh was in charge than is in cork squad currently
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 12, 2023 15:34:06 GMT
Here's hoping our first All Ireland series game is on the 21st and not the 20th.
Very little accommodation on the Sat night...
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 12, 2023 18:03:51 GMT
Here's hoping our first All Ireland series game is on the 21st and not the 20th. Very little accommodation on the Sat night... To note anyone heading down from Dublin flights are 19.99 each way!
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Post by rossranger on Apr 13, 2023 5:04:06 GMT
If he was given the Cork management role you would see Cork improving however at the moment he only has a bit part coaching role. When he took over Galway they were in a similar position to Cork right now, middle of the road Div 2 team and hadn't been in Div 1 and hadn't won a provincial title for a number years. Current Galway team is thanks to the ground work of Walsh and have since moved on due to so many out of their 2020 All Ireland U20 winning team holding their own at senior level, that was probably the best U20 team since that grade was introduced in 2018. Not sure about that he definitely set a decent standard but galway just have better players than cork imo. Underage success in football for cork can be meaningless really as they lose so many to hurling and to a lesser extent rugby etc. Galway had the best club team playing a super brand in corofin and shane walsh comer etc. I think walsh might and i stress might make cork defensively more solid but it was scoring that lost the clare match for them. Walsh used to have his namesake shane playing a defensive role for god sake hardly a tactical genius imo. For years Galway was greatly underachieving and was especially highlighted by not getting the best out of their U21 All Ireland winning teams in 2002, 2005. Went from manager to manager and if anything things was getting worse with their seniors, a real low ebb for them was their fierce rivals Mayo hammering them by 17 points in Salthill a decade ago. Kevin Walsh came in a short time after that and changed the structures and culture with Galway football, much like Cork now they were a soft touch a nice team for top sides to play. They developed a hard edge and as manager Walsh brought in best of coaches around including that fella currently with Kerry Paddy Tally and their peak year was 2018 where they reached the Div 1 final and All Ireland semi final (first since 2002) losing to Dublin. That year Shane Walsh scored 1-32 in the championship just 4 points short of his scoring last summer. What I've seen of Galway in this years league is as defensive as any year under Walsh with so many of their matches turned into war of attritions, it remains to be seen if they carry such style into the championship. Finally on Cork they had two All Ireland winning teams in 2019 and decent Munster U20 winning team two years ago they need someone to lead them out of their current mediocrity at senior level. 2016 they got relegated from Div 1 and haven't looked close to returning to Div 1 and were extremely lucky to avoid relegation to div 3 last year. Losing to Clare last Sunday was no surprise but that's not the way it should be with Cork if they have their house in order.
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Post by jackiel on Apr 13, 2023 8:21:48 GMT
Here's hoping our first All Ireland series game is on the 21st and not the 20th. Very little accommodation on the Sat night... I've never been left without somewhere to stay, just keep checking the accommodation sites. I often book one well in advance and could change once if not twice for a lesser priced/better located option closer to the date.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 13, 2023 13:19:49 GMT
Finally on Cork they had two All Ireland winning teams in 2019 and decent Munster U20 winning team two years ago they need someone to lead them out of their current mediocrity at senior level. 2016 they got relegated from Div 1 and haven't looked close to returning to Div 1 and were extremely lucky to avoid relegation to div 3 last year. Losing to Clare last Sunday was no surprise but that's not the way it should be with Cork if they have their house in order. Cork's age profile in relation to players really helps them at minor and U20 even more than it does at senior. In 2022 Cork had 73 registered U20 football teams, Kerry had 22. Assume 20 players per team. That would mean Cork would have a pick of 1,460 players while Kerry would have a pick from 330 players for the county U20 team. At senior level Cork had 231 adult teams while Kerry had 104. Assuming 20 players per team this would give Cork would have a pick of 4,620 while Kerry would have a pick of 2,080 players for the senior county team. Cork's pick at U20 was 4.5 times Kerry's pick. However at adult level Cork's pick was only 2.22 times Kerry's pick. Still an advantage but close to half the advantage compared to U20 level. The situation is the pretty much the same as regards minor and in relation to hurling as well. Countless times I've heard Cork folk go on about winning underage titles or beating Kerry at U21/U20 level and why doesn't this automatically lead on to winning All-Irelands but they constanly fail to take into account the fact that every year they have a massive advantage over every other county bar Dublin in relation to their pick for U20 and minor in both codes.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 13, 2023 17:55:50 GMT
Here's hoping our first All Ireland series game is on the 21st and not the 20th. Very little accommodation on the Sat night... I've never been left without somewhere to stay, just keep checking the accommodation sites. I often book one well in advance and could change once if not twice for a lesser priced/better located option closer to the date. Fair play Jackie, Something became available today...
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 15, 2023 7:38:02 GMT
Well if Mayo didn't feel the pressure before...
I'd imagine an invite to the White House with Sam might just do it.
It was some show in Mayo infairness, Wonderful to see.
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Post by shannonsider on Apr 15, 2023 10:03:50 GMT
Finally on Cork they had two All Ireland winning teams in 2019 and decent Munster U20 winning team two years ago they need someone to lead them out of their current mediocrity at senior level. 2016 they got relegated from Div 1 and haven't looked close to returning to Div 1 and were extremely lucky to avoid relegation to div 3 last year. Losing to Clare last Sunday was no surprise but that's not the way it should be with Cork if they have their house in order. Cork's age profile in relation to players really helps them at minor and U20 even more than it does at senior. In 2022 Cork had 73 registered U20 football teams, Kerry had 22. Assume 20 players per team. That would mean Cork would have a pick of 1,460 players while Kerry would have a pick from 330 players for the county U20 team. At senior level Cork had 231 adult teams while Kerry had 104. Assuming 20 players per team this would give Cork would have a pick of 4,620 while Kerry would have a pick of 2,080 players for the senior county team. Cork's pick at U20 was 4.5 times Kerry's pick. However at adult level Cork's pick was only 2.22 times Kerry's pick. Still an advantage but close to half the advantage compared to U20 level. The situation is the pretty much the same as regards minor and in relation to hurling as well. Countless times I've heard Cork folk go on about winning underage titles or beating Kerry at U21/U20 level and why doesn't this automatically lead on to winning All-Irelands but they constanly fail to take into account the fact that every year they have a massive advantage over every other county bar Dublin in relation to their pick for U20 and minor in both codes. You're correct that Cork should be at a far better standard in every grade of football at county level due to the volume of players at their disposal. Even allowing for the fact that hurling gets more support and has in the past poached a few players from football, there are more football only clubs in Cork than there are in the whole of Monaghan for example. There's no sense of unity with the whole thing down there from my experience. They have made a multitude of terrible managerial appointments in recent years also to compound things. And there seems to be scant regard for coaching or coaches. Word at the moment is that Kevin Walsh is coming down and doing 1/2 sessions every 2 weeks. Illustrates how behind top level teams they are that they view that as being sufficient. No wonder Clare ran through them easily! I think Bobby O'Dwyer the under 20 manager will take over in the next while and he seems to be doing a good job with underage teams. No guarantee it will translate to a higher level but I do think he's a bit smarter than most manager's they've had in last 10-15 years. Time will tell. For this year they'll be lucky to be in the Sam Maguire anyway.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 15, 2023 11:19:10 GMT
Imitation is the purest form of flattery; we’re all playing Ulster football now - Philly McMahon
This is a rare enough article in today's Indo an don't be put off by the headline, the best of it focuses on, well what managers and players never tell us, trade secrets on tactics, formation, etc.
This is what makes attending games intriguing, seeing what works and doesn't, how opponents respond, etc - 'behind closed doors' training killed this off all the while the game was/is evolving, maybe revolving. TV isn't much good for students of this so maybe the GAA need to pull up their socks here and get more through the turnstiles.
Maybe it is the media that need brush up - I suppose they do it for individual games if post match, and while half-time often calls out what is going down, I would say more needs to be done here. Let's see what media channel steps up here and follows our Philly and it is a novel article in fairness - he could have put a lot more meat on the bone; maybe he will?
I browsed over it a few times to memorise the tactics and so watch out for them.
P.S. The shroud of secrecy isn't so prevalent in the Camoigie and well done also to our mighty girls in both codes at the weekend. Niamh Carmody got a point in the 25th minute on Sat that would be talked about if it came off the boot of Gooch or Maurice.
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Post by percentageplay on Apr 16, 2023 18:59:18 GMT
Any thoughts on todays Ulster Championship match? Been a while since I enjoyed an Ulster match as much despite the first half which was slow to get going the second half was decent and played at a serious pace.
What I thought was noticeable was there was little lateral play over and the times that did occur it seemed to be done so at pace and with intent. Tyrone really struggled with the direct off the shoulder running of Monaghan.
Canavan had an excellent match with excellent scores under pressure. Not sure how many lads would have the confidence to take the goal the Monaghan wing back did, excellent finish with power.
Without wanting to end on a negative note the incident that lead to yellow card given to the Tyrone corner back for the strike into the balls was such a cowardly act and went under punished.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 16, 2023 19:32:04 GMT
Conor Meyler took approx 8 steps every time he solved the ball.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Apr 16, 2023 20:13:15 GMT
Dosent get much better that that Ulster championship just keeps on giving What ever was said at half time worked well When Monaghan went at them with a mixture of runners and long ball it worked How about the best attacking goal keeper performance ever It does work there’s no denying it but Rory Beggan is A top operator Him and the full back combined to score a crucial point Now that’s going to take some defending
Tyrone’s first half was total tactical fouling To stop the Monaghan momentum Eamon Fitzmaurice is a top analysts but very surprised he didn’t call Tyrone out on the non stop tactical fouling on every single possession Monaghan did get frees from this and this kept them in the game in the first half But they cut loose in the second half and Got a fabulous result I’m sure the sponsor Phil Traynor ( rip ) will be happy up above as he sees his Vision Come to fruition and good to see his children at All Boro Floors Continuing to support Monaghan Gaa
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Apr 16, 2023 20:31:49 GMT
What a day for Ryan O’Toole scoring the winning goal in added time when a point down on his championship debut! He’ll be a happy man tonight. It’s great to see the courage he had to go for it but that said he’s very lucky it went in considering he turned down a simple hand pass over the bar equaliser at that point in the game. If Morgan saves that which I think he should the commentary around the decision is very different. What a win for Monaghan, they were really written off this year but they’ve been very successful so far.
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 16, 2023 20:32:48 GMT
Enjoyed that for what it was, a cracking ulster championship game, some tussle, hard physical and uncompromising ... and surprisingly open.... the kickouts by both Keepers was top notch.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 16, 2023 20:40:05 GMT
A great two weeks, Mayo and Tyrone sent to the sidelines with a major dent to the collective confidence.
McManus is some man and as for that goal, what a way to win a game. Take a bow young man!
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