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Post by thehermit on Apr 4, 2023 11:19:52 GMT
Can anyone see the Rossies stunning the newly crowned league champions? I think Mayo are a different animal this year, however in saying that, if we came up against them, I still would have no fear. I think this is tailor made for an ambush. New York too may really fancy their chance against Leitrim. Is their many Kerry lads with New York and London this year, Strand Road's Gavin O'Brien is a great addition to NY, it will be interesting to see how he fairs with them. Roscommon are a decent side with good forwards who are well capable of registering a winning score line.
Looking in from the outside it seems to me that the Rossies targeted the first 3-4 games of the League to ensure their survival, once that mission was completed I think they switched strategy to preparing for the Mayo match that was looming into view. So I wouldn't judge them on the defeats they suffered in the second half of the League.
They had more than enough for Galway in the D2 final last year when Galway were everyone's favourites.
Sunday will tell us a lot about where Mayo really are but I for one can see the primrose and blue making a famous raid on McHale Park.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 4, 2023 15:15:09 GMT
Lads I'll ear my hat if the Rossies win in Castlebar.
If it was in the Hyde maybe but McStay has made a point of making McHale Park a fortress.
They are on a high... Mayo have better players all over the park.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 4, 2023 15:28:44 GMT
I remember many a year in the 2000s with Galway looking all conquering in the League only to do nothing in the Championship. I wouldn't at this stage be throwing any money on Mayo to do anything either.
Let's see how they go v Roscommon and potentially Galway over the next few weeks.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 4, 2023 18:59:49 GMT
Lads I'll ear my hat if the Rossies win in Castlebar. If it was in the Hyde maybe but McStay has made a point of making McHale Park a fortress. They are on a high... Mayo have better players all over the park. Yes but Monaghan beat them in McHale park. That was a changed Mayo side in a dead rubber game.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 4, 2023 20:31:44 GMT
That was a changed Mayo side in a dead rubber game. I know but the point is McStay said he wanted McHale park to be a fortress but that statement went out the window when he made changes. My point is he was nt too worried about the fortress thing. Also he is nt that worried about Connaught championship so maybe Rossies have a chance altho I do expect Mayo to go further in the championship than the Rossies. Mayo in my opinion have followed Kerrys approach like last year. Go out and win every game and every competition. If they aspire to win Sam they should win the provincial championship even if its not really relevant anymore. More a statement of intent.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 5, 2023 15:31:55 GMT
While I acknowledge Kerry did not play well in the league it's still incredible that very few if anyone has tipped them for the All Ireland.
It certainly takes the heat of the team but its strange considering we were apparently the next big thing..
Shows how fickle sport is.
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Post by peanuts on Apr 5, 2023 18:31:48 GMT
I think the Master Fixture Schedule Booklet for 2023 that sets out all the actual rules of all the various competitions would take precedence over the Calendar. I would say it's far likelier that the bit on the Calendar should just read Munster and Connacht winners as opposed to finalists and whoever made the calendar just made a mistake. I downloaded both the GAA Master Fixture Plan for 2023 and the GAA Master Fixture Schedule Booklet 2023 from GAA.ie on the same day back in December. It's on GAA.IE so that's as official as it gets. The following weekend 27-28.05.2023 (Sat/Sun) GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship | Round 1 (Home & Away) (Involving Leinster & Ulster Finalists) So the groups will be for this year Munster winners,Connacht Runners up,3rd seed,4th seed Connacht winners,Munster runners up,3rd seed,4th seed Leinster winners,Ulster runners up,3rd seed,4th seed Ulster winners,Leinster runners up,3rd seed,4th seed The provincial finalists in the groups will likely rotate in the years ahead plus Connacht made a seeded draw. Clarified today according to Examine that the provincial winners can in fact be drawn against any of the other provincial finalists.
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Post by peanuts on Apr 5, 2023 21:03:05 GMT
While I acknowledge Kerry did not play well in the league it's still incredible that very few if anyone has tipped them for the All Ireland. It certainly takes the heat of the team but its strange considering we were apparently the next big thing.. Shows how fickle sport is. Sport is fickle but Kerry s status seems to have gone down rather than up after winning all Ireland. Same with Tyrone in 2021.I think it has to do with high expectations. Kerry were favourites to win all Ireland last year and while some hate to hear it but we kind of limped over the line. We needed a last minute monster free to beat a Dúin team without Con Ó Callaghan (now I still think we would have won with him playing but public perception of us changed a bit after that. Then in the final we played 2nd fiddle to Galway for most of the game before a strong finish. After our minor success many thought we d kick on and go on a run like Dublin but 20 and 21 we fell. After getting over the line last year many thought now the pressure is off so Kerry will now play with abandon and class and kick on. However after a league struggle many now looking at Kerry in a different light. Many outside Kerry now think that Kerry without Clifford are only an average team. Maybe theres some truth in it and tbh unless we become more dominant midfield we might find it harder to kick on. Last years style won't win us Sam. We need to change it up a little so hopefully we can. People hate to hear it because it’s not true. We didn’t limp over the line last year. I don’t know why you keep spouting that *e
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Post by thehermit on Apr 5, 2023 21:40:04 GMT
That fella will be delighted by this so: www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41109919.html'The Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) have not ruled out fixing Dublin’s neutral game at GAA HQ'. So effectively just like the Super 8s, the Dubs get home advantage x 2 just in case there might be the slim chance they mightn't get out of the group at some stage. This farce would just turn the stomach at this stage.
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Post by peanuts on Apr 5, 2023 22:04:46 GMT
People hate to hear it because it’s not true. We didn’t limp over the line last year. I don’t know why you keep spouting that *e Oh I'm so sorry for having an opinion that you don't like Okay sure we walked away with the all ireland last year destroying Dublin and Galway in last two games. In the final I thought the teams were level on 67mins when Kerry were awarded a very important free that many refs would nt give. Ah look maybe I was dreaming it all and we won it very easy. No AI is ever won easy. You’re continually saying that Kerry were lucky to win the AI last year. SoS scoring a last second free or us beating Galway by four going away does not make it a lucky AI. I could give you examples of ‘luck’from every AI winning team that I can remember.
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Post by peanuts on Apr 5, 2023 22:36:01 GMT
No AI is ever won easy. You’re continually saying that Kerry were lucky to win the AI last year. SoS scoring a last second free or us beating Galway by four going away does not make it a lucky AI. I could give you examples of ‘luck’from every AI winning team that I can remember. No all ireland is easy but yes some are easier than others. Yes most of the time some luck is needed but not always. We did nt need luck to win in 1975 or 79 or 81.we needed a bit of luck in 78 altho we won by 17 points. We did nt need luck in 84 85 or 86.We needed a bit of luck in 97 and 2000 but again did nt need luck in 04 or 06 or 07.We needed a bit of luck in 09 again and in 14 and last year. We got no luck at all in 82 or 2011.We deserved to win the All ireland last year as we were the best team in the championship but IMO we did nt win it as convincingly as I thought we would. Now tbh I don't care how we win once we win but like everyone else I'm entitled to my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it. What luck did we get last year? SOS displayed great skill to score the last minute point against Dublin. Was that luck? We would’ve beaten Galway by more last year if Geaney had his shooting boots on in the first half. The contentious free didn’t win us the AI last year. We scored 3 points afterwards. As I’ve said before Galway got a handier one just before that. You’re of course entitled to your opinion but I’m also entitled to disagree with it and IMO the facts don’t agree with your assertion of Kerry being lucky to win the AI.
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Post by peanuts on Apr 5, 2023 23:14:32 GMT
In one statement you write that you can give me examples of luck from every all ireland winning team you remember and then you ask what luck did we get last year. I believe we got a bit of luck. I believe getting that free was vital and maybe we might not have scored the next 3 afterwards. I never said we were nt the better team but yes we got the rub of the green imo. I had ‘luck’ in inverted commas in my previous statement. I didn’t think I needed to spell it out. I’ll put it this way. Kerry were no luckier last year than any other recent AI winners.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 6, 2023 9:28:12 GMT
There isint a sports team or person that winnings anything without a degree of luck.
Dublins 6 in a row team had more than its share of luck.
Mayo conceded 2 own goals in one final.
Kerry were head and shoulders the best team last year from the start to the finish.
They should have been out of sight against Dublin and the kicked 6 or 7 poor wides on the first half v Galway.
Pressure and nerves played its part in those games.
I hope they get that bit of luck again this year and prove the doubters wrong.
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Post by kerry1974 on Apr 6, 2023 12:21:17 GMT
Exactly every team needs luck.. Leave em right off Kerry suits us perfectly.. We mightn’t win it this year but it could take a damn good team to beat us.. Remember coming home from the mayo Quarter final last year everyone on the bus downbeat about our chances against Dublin my reply we will win by 7 or 8 points.. Should have.. And yes nerves kicked in down the final straight but Kerry showed steel in that final play to win that free and we all know what happened next.. Let’s hope we can show that steel in this championship..
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 6, 2023 20:16:57 GMT
There isint a sports team or person that winnings anything without a degree of luck. Dublins 6 in a row team had more than its share of luck. Mayo conceded 2 own goals in one final. Kerry were head and shoulders the best team last year from the start to the finish. They should have been out of sight against Dublin and the kicked 6 or 7 poor wides on the first half v Galway. Pressure and nerves played its part in those games. I hope they get that bit of luck again this year and prove the doubters wrong. I believe that we may be better than last year primarily now that the pressure to win an AI is gone; our main men upfront, Seanie & DC carried most of that pressure - they have their medals now & in my book, will play better. Galway, to my mind, got lucky in the final with Shane Walsh’s display - he had the game of his life but it wasn’t enough to get them over the line- Walsh was average vs Armagh, kicking the ball away in the dying minutes which was the reason the game went to extra time & was no world beater in the semi final vs Derry; his form in the AI club was nothing to write home about either. Jack knows what it takes to win championships & has my trust.
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Post by Joxer on Apr 6, 2023 20:21:52 GMT
That fella will be delighted by this so: www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41109919.html'The Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) have not ruled out fixing Dublin’s neutral game at GAA HQ'. So effectively just like the Super 8s, the Dubs get home advantage x 2 just in case there might be the slim chance they mightn't get out of the group at some stage. This farce would just turn the stomach at this stage. 100% agree. Beyond a joke at this point. I see Dublin hurlers have 'decided' to transfer their home games to Croke Park also! Good to have the option....
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 6, 2023 22:17:55 GMT
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Post by kerry1974 on Apr 8, 2023 0:33:01 GMT
Mike brosnan was a neighbour of mine.. An excellent fullback. Emigrated to New York in the 80s. Won with st Kieran’s in 1987 I think was at the game.. Pity we didn’t see more of him in the Kerry jersey..
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Post by southward on Apr 8, 2023 7:08:46 GMT
Anyone else finding it hard to muster enthusiasm for football at the moment?
The league was a depressing affair this year. And not just because Kerry weren't firing either. Just seems like the game is becoming unwatchable with the across-and-back, 15 men behind the ball, endless handpassing stuff. Teams don't want to play, they just want to stop the opposition. A marquee forward like Rian O'Neill operating as an extra defender says a lot.
It's not a new complaint but the fare seems to be worse than ever this year. Hopefully the championship brings a new approach but honestly, how many people would go to a game as a neutral right now? Jim McGuinness casts a long shadow.
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Post by tpo on Apr 8, 2023 8:59:42 GMT
No, I'm enjoying it
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Post by brucewayne on Apr 8, 2023 12:34:44 GMT
Anyone else finding it hard to muster enthusiasm for football at the moment? The league was a depressing affair this year. And not just because Kerry weren't firing either. Just seems like the game is becoming unwatchable with the across-and-back, 15 men behind the ball, endless handpassing stuff. Teams don't want to play, they just want to stop the opposition. A marquee forward like Rian O'Neill operating as an extra defender says a lot. It's not a new complaint but the fare seems to be worse than ever this year. Hopefully the championship brings a new approach but honestly, how many people would go to a game as a neutral right now? Jim McGuinness casts a long shadow. Would agree with this. Last year it seemed like there were more exciting matches. There definitely seemed to be a way more caution used by teams this year and it may be that having the championship sitting right after the league is playing a factor.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 8, 2023 21:12:34 GMT
Anyone else finding it hard to muster enthusiasm for football at the moment? The league was a depressing affair this year. And not just because Kerry weren't firing either. Just seems like the game is becoming unwatchable with the across-and-back, 15 men behind the ball, endless handpassing stuff. Teams don't want to play, they just want to stop the opposition. A marquee forward like Rian O'Neill operating as an extra defender says a lot. It's not a new complaint but the fare seems to be worse than ever this year. Hopefully the championship brings a new approach but honestly, how many people would go to a game as a neutral right now? Jim McGuinness casts a long shadow. Would agree with this. Last year it seemed like there were more exciting matches. There definitely seemed to be a way more caution used by teams this year and it may be that having the championship sitting right after the league is playing a factor. Might be just me but it was a roller-coaster the last few years. Just hoping and praying that these young lads would get up them steps. The emotional investment and the years of disappointment where hard... The league is valueless this year because now we have a new league starting in 6 weeks or so. The real business will start then and I hope to be as enthusiastic as I was last year. 3 home games in Killarney I hoping to see a bit of sunshine and a packed Killarney and we'll take it from there.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 8, 2023 22:14:21 GMT
I must say that I am hugely excited by the start of the Championship.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Apr 9, 2023 6:31:56 GMT
New York got off to a flyer tonight beating Leitrim with a colossal performances at midfield by Gavin O Brien some savage high fetches and attack at every opportunity did we let this player get away ? Also Rob Wharton was very impressive at center back I understand it’s basically div 4 football But these lads were immense tonight Makes me wonder is our scouting system functioning at optimum?
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Post by ballybunion on Apr 9, 2023 8:04:58 GMT
Mikey Brosnan scores the winning penalty in the penalty shootout victory by New York over Leitrim. He also scores in the match as does his brother Shane. Knocknagoshel has arisen. Sligo or New York in Connaught final.
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Post by southward on Apr 9, 2023 8:26:44 GMT
New York got off to a flyer tonight beating Leitrim with a colossal performances at midfield by Gavin O Brien some savage high fetches and attack at every opportunity did we let this player get away ?Also Rob Wharton was very impressive at center back I understand it’s basically div 4 football But these lads were immense tonight Makes me wonder is our scouting system functioning at optimum?In fairness, O'Brien had his chances with Kerry. Talent for sure but a bit hot and cold; seemed to drift out of games a lot. Don't remember Wharton being on the senior scene but he was in at minor and U20 so it's not a case he wasn't known about. Maybe he just emigrated?
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Post by hurlingman on Apr 9, 2023 8:38:57 GMT
A long overdue win for New York. Had come close so many times in recent years it's great to see them finally get over the line.
Disappointing result for Leitrim though. Was a great opportunity for them to make it to a Connacht final. Something also long overdue for them.
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Post by hurlingman on Apr 9, 2023 8:40:36 GMT
New York got off to a flyer tonight beating Leitrim with a colossal performances at midfield by Gavin O Brien some savage high fetches and attack at every opportunity did we let this player get away ?Also Rob Wharton was very impressive at center back I understand it’s basically div 4 football But these lads were immense tonight Makes me wonder is our scouting system functioning at optimum?In fairness, O'Brien had his chances with Kerry. Talent for sure but a bit hot and cold; seemed to drift out of games a lot. Don't remember Wharton being on the senior scene but he was in at minor and U20 so it's not a case he wasn't known about. Maybe he just emigrated? I think Wharton played with the junior team as well and might have been on a few league panels. I thnk he was big into Rugby as well.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Apr 9, 2023 9:32:57 GMT
In fairness, O'Brien had his chances with Kerry. Talent for sure but a bit hot and cold; seemed to drift out of games a lot. Don't remember Wharton being on the senior scene but he was in at minor and U20 so it's not a case he wasn't known about. Maybe he just emigrated? I think Wharton played with the junior team as well and might have been on a few league panels. I thnk he was big into Rugby as well. He made a championship appearance as well coming on against Clare in Peter Keane’s first championship game. It was a strange one as he didn’t see any league game time beforehand and he wasn’t seen again afterwards.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 9, 2023 10:16:32 GMT
If NY beat Sligo next they're into the group stages maybe even into Kerry's group. Don't know about the rest of ye but a trip to the Big Apple for a Kerry game in June sounds class 🤣
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