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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 19, 2023 12:09:19 GMT
Stephan s hamstring injury seemed minor at the time Here’s hoping he’ll be back and going in another week or two Unless someone here knows any different Word is that it is much worse than feared - could miss the entire championship. God that's really ruined my day, I know he was raw and needed more games but you could see his athleticism was made for croke park.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 19, 2023 12:12:12 GMT
Open to correction but I think that rule is only there for hurling. Just checking there, it was brought in on a trial basis before the 2021 season, and made permanent in 2022.
But you could be forgiven for thinking it wasn't, because I don't think I've seen one referee give it. Amazing, must've been no cynical fouls committed on players going in for goal since the rule was introduced!
Wow , thought that was only for the hurling and like you haven’t seen it implemented. Don’t think Jason’s incident would have qualified in any case. It wasn’t a cynical pull down and there were other players back.
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Post by pukefootball on Mar 19, 2023 12:19:38 GMT
With the way the team are performing at the minute, the likelihood of back to back All-Irelands isn’t looking great. We began brilliantly against Roscommon, runners making moves inside the ‘21 looking for the quick hand pass or ball inside, pressing the kick out which led to a few turnovers, and a hunger to get the ball up the field quickly. When we abandoned those tactics and reverted back to a reserved and low-risk style, Roscommon came at us and nearly got a draw out of it. We’ve let teams come back into the game across the league (Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, and Roscommon) and it’s a worrying situation. Gavin White back is massive. Seemed to be one of the only players willing to push on. Delighted to see him back.
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Post by exiled on Mar 19, 2023 13:56:16 GMT
Kerry have been poor defensibly all through the league. Don't seem to to have taken last years lessons from Tally on to this year. With the attention DC is getting is it not time to change how he's played...maybe move him out a little and leave more room inside for someone else. If Tony Brosnan had confidence in his right he probably would have scored that miss. I think Jack Barry has been poor all league and should be a bench player for the championship.
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Post by dano on Mar 19, 2023 14:40:47 GMT
There was improvement last night and, as Bally said, there were some moments of brilliance. the pass for Cliffords goal, Killian's nippy point, Donal D O sul on a few occasions. We could well beat Galway and I'd say Tom O Sullivan is looking forward to a duel with Shane Walsh, Might be diferent this time!. I'm watching Tyrone Monaghan at moment. Tyrone will be dangerous come championship.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 19, 2023 15:23:33 GMT
I didint realise we have lost Dara Roche too long term injury aswell.
That was a bad day in Omagh.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 19, 2023 15:27:17 GMT
I did not really see the improvement, taking the opposition into account, but I am not too worried, based on the championship format ahead, still could be in the league final depending on results next week.
Hard to take anything new away from the league, with the injuries, we probably only gained DoS, but his performances have been ok, but he did struggle against the better opposition, but he has a future. We have Barry Dan putting his hand up as a back up MF. Beyond above I don’t think we have learnt too much, maybe a step back with the squad injuries. Take always 1. Sort our defence 2. Ask DM to come out of retirement 3. Get sos and PC back to last years form.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 19, 2023 17:27:16 GMT
Yesterday for me typified our league campaign in a nutshell, just doing enough, we remind me of a teenage school child, who's parents demand 60% in an exam result and the kids gets 61%.
Our defensive shape looks off, admittedly, Shane Ryan had no save to make and our kick outs were uncontested, but we look off sorts, I noticed of late Tadgh is invariably being pull wide and spent a considerable amount of time out on the wing, whereas last year he was housed on the D. In saying that, I thought the defense played well and as good as White was, I thought Graham was my man of the match, but maybe the black card cost him.
The returning White really added pace to our turnovers, its just a pity we didn't experiment with an alternative man marker in the league to release Tom Sullivan to the wing. Jason looked in trouble and didn't finish, it will be interesting to see will Dylan Casey get a start against Galway or will Tadgh fall back to three if the Bally man is unavailable.
A few of you have bemoaned the injuries to Roche and Okunbor, but in all honesty, as unlucky as they are, neither for me would be starters, or game changers but more panel players come serious dry ball.
The return Diarmuid will add much needed muscle to our center, I also think Jack Barry is a better player with his club mate beside him but that's a topic for the Galway thread.
Donal Down and Darra continue to impress, but this was a game we were never going to lose once we went 1-03 to nil up, the Rossies were always at arms length.
Good to see Paul and Spillane back, both for me are ahead of the chasing pack in my eyes come serious ball, with the Kilgarvan man and Brosnan to fight for an inside spot if we consider Adrian Spillane to be placed as the work horse on tehe wing,
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 19, 2023 17:35:26 GMT
A few of you have bemoaned the injuries to Roche and Okunbor, but in all honesty, as unlucky as they are, neither for me would be starters, or game changers but more panel players come serious dry ball. Completely agree. It’s tough for the 2 lads on an individual level but I don’t think it makes much difference to Kerry as I couldn’t see either getting championship game time. Roche is 6th in the inside forward pecking order for me and Okunbor’s rawness is just too much of a liability. It’s a huge blow again to Okunbor’s development because he needs loads of football, it’s starting to look like he’ll never get that extended period to improve his game which is disappointing.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 19, 2023 22:06:31 GMT
A few of you have bemoaned the injuries to Roche and Okunbor, but in all honesty, as unlucky as they are, neither for me would be starters, or game changers but more panel players come serious dry ball. Completely agree. It’s tough for the 2 lads on an individual level but I don’t think it makes much difference to Kerry as I couldn’t see either getting championship game time. Roche is 6th in the inside forward pecking order for me and Okunbor’s rawness is just too much of a liability. It’s a huge blow again to Okunbor’s development because he needs loads of football, it’s starting to look like he’ll never get that extended period to improve his game which is disappointing. Ah lads, no one has suggested they were starters, but our options have definitely reduced with their absence, including the competitiveness at training. We do need a stronge panel for this new championship format
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 19, 2023 22:27:37 GMT
Completely agree. It’s tough for the 2 lads on an individual level but I don’t think it makes much difference to Kerry as I couldn’t see either getting championship game time. Roche is 6th in the inside forward pecking order for me and Okunbor’s rawness is just too much of a liability. It’s a huge blow again to Okunbor’s development because he needs loads of football, it’s starting to look like he’ll never get that extended period to improve his game which is disappointing. Ah lads, no one has suggested they were starters, but our options have definitely reduced with their absence, including the competitiveness at training. We do need a stronge panel for this new championship format Absolutely... Both would have made the 26 I've no doubt about that. This is a blow make no mistake about it.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 19, 2023 23:31:18 GMT
Ah lads, no one has suggested they were starters, but our options have definitely reduced with their absence, including the competitiveness at training. We do need a stronge panel for this new championship format Absolutely... Both would have made the 26 I've no doubt about that. This is a blow make no mistake about it. Don’t think Roche would have. Can’t carry 4 inside forwards on the bench if you’ve only 2 starting.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 20, 2023 8:28:01 GMT
Don’t think Roche would have. Can’t carry 4 inside forwards on the bench if you’ve only 2 starting. I thought Roche was one of our best forwards throughout the league and scored in most games bar Tyrone fame where he hurt his hand. I think he def deserves to be on the panel of 26 come championship time. Roche reminds me of Declan Quill, consistent at club level, consistent in the league but when Mike Frank, Crowley & O'Cinneidé etc returned Declan was invariably sitting on the bench. Declan was our top scorer for two or three years in the league, at a time when the national league commenced in October. however, come dry sod and returning players previously club tied, he slipped down the pecking order.... Roche is similar in that regard, in opinion.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 20, 2023 9:44:34 GMT
I thought Roche was one of our best forwards throughout the league and scored in most games bar Tyrone fame where he hurt his hand. I think he def deserves to be on the panel of 26 come championship time. Roche reminds me of Declan Quill, consistent at club level, consistent in the league but when Mike Frank, Crowley & O'Cinneidé etc returned Declan was invariably sitting on the bench. Declan was our top scorer for two or three years in the league, at a time when the national league commenced in October. however, come dry sod and returning players previously club tied, he slipped down the pecking order.... Roche is similar in that regard, in opinion. For me Donal Down showed better but I think Roche would be in the 26. Even if he hadn't we need these lads in currans training and making life hard for the lads.
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Post by kot on Mar 20, 2023 12:58:02 GMT
A win next week would guarantee us a league final More than likely but not for certain. If we beat Galway in a close game and either Tyrone or Rossies win their games by a decent margin then either of them would be in final by my figures. Maybe I'm wrong but that's the way I see it. If Rossies & Monaghan both lose and ourselves & Tyrone win then is not Tyrone in the final as they have us on head to head? I don't think I can say much more than already has been said Re: the game Saturday night. A great first 10 mins and a bit of resilience when we went down to 14 but overall another sub standard showing. Gavin White and a few flashes from the forwards the bright spots. I felt Saturday was another demonstration of teams figuring out how to pull Morley out of position successfully and teams then running at us. Our midfield is definitely among the weakest in the top 6 at present, DM's loss really being felt and will no doubt take DoC a bit of time to get back up to speed. Its really limiting us at kicks out as we are going short a lot and really struggle taking the ball up the pitch but then when we go long we no longer have the high % chance of fetching it. Might have to look at giving Seanie a run out there which seems a plaster over a deep cut solution at this point.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 20, 2023 13:37:24 GMT
More than likely but not for certain. If we beat Galway in a close game and either Tyrone or Rossies win their games by a decent margin then either of them would be in final by my figures. Maybe I'm wrong but that's the way I see it. If Rossies & Monaghan both lose and ourselves & Tyrone win then is not Tyrone in the final as they have us on head to head? I don't think I can say much more than already has been said Re: the game Saturday night. A great first 10 mins and a bit of resilience when we went down to 14 but overall another sub standard showing. Gavin White and a few flashes from the forwards the bright spots. I felt Saturday was another demonstration of teams figuring out how to pull Morley out of position successfully and teams then running at us. Our midfield is definitely among the weakest in the top 6 at present, DM's loss really being felt and will no doubt take DoC a bit of time to get back up to speed. Its really limiting us at kicks out as we are going short a lot and really struggle taking the ball up the pitch but then when we go long we no longer have the high % chance of fetching it. Might have to look at giving Seanie a run out there which seems a plaster over a deep cut solution at this point. No to your first question as Galway would also be on 8 pts so it would come down to pts difference. In relation to midfield as far as I remember David didn't play in the league at all last year and we still did fine. I think the bigger issue is not having Adrian Spillane or Diarmaid O'Connor at wing forward and White and Begley as half back as our middle 8 as a whole is too small. I think this will be rectified for the championship which will hopefully improve this area.
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Post by ballybunion on Mar 20, 2023 14:29:56 GMT
If we beat Galway by 3 points we go ahead of them (4+3=7 on scoring difference) but then Tyrone and Roscommon come into the equation (if they both win) both are on +1 at present. Jack might like to win by ie 1 point but is not too interested in a league final in my opinion. Do we need to expose ourselves in a very soon league final.
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Post by kot on Mar 20, 2023 15:13:56 GMT
If Rossies & Monaghan both lose and ourselves & Tyrone win then is not Tyrone in the final as they have us on head to head? I don't think I can say much more than already has been said Re: the game Saturday night. A great first 10 mins and a bit of resilience when we went down to 14 but overall another sub standard showing. Gavin White and a few flashes from the forwards the bright spots. I felt Saturday was another demonstration of teams figuring out how to pull Morley out of position successfully and teams then running at us. Our midfield is definitely among the weakest in the top 6 at present, DM's loss really being felt and will no doubt take DoC a bit of time to get back up to speed. Its really limiting us at kicks out as we are going short a lot and really struggle taking the ball up the pitch but then when we go long we no longer have the high % chance of fetching it. Might have to look at giving Seanie a run out there which seems a plaster over a deep cut solution at this point. No to your first question as Galway would also be on 8 pts so it would come down to pts difference.In relation to midfield as far as I remember David didn't play in the league at all last year and we still did fine. I think the bigger issue is not having Adrian Spillane or Diarmaid O'Connor at wing forward and White and Begley as half back as our middle 8 as a whole is too small. I think this will be rectified for the championship which will hopefully improve this area. Ah yes, forgot about the Galway variable.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 20, 2023 15:24:08 GMT
If Rossies & Monaghan both lose and ourselves & Tyrone win then is not Tyrone in the final as they have us on head to head? I don't think I can say much more than already has been said Re: the game Saturday night. A great first 10 mins and a bit of resilience when we went down to 14 but overall another sub standard showing. Gavin White and a few flashes from the forwards the bright spots. I felt Saturday was another demonstration of teams figuring out how to pull Morley out of position successfully and teams then running at us. Our midfield is definitely among the weakest in the top 6 at present, DM's loss really being felt and will no doubt take DoC a bit of time to get back up to speed. Its really limiting us at kicks out as we are going short a lot and really struggle taking the ball up the pitch but then when we go long we no longer have the high % chance of fetching it. Might have to look at giving Seanie a run out there which seems a plaster over a deep cut solution at this point. No to your first question as Galway would also be on 8 pts so it would come down to pts difference. In relation to midfield as far as I remember David didn't play in the league at all last year and we still did fine. I think the bigger issue is not having Adrian Spillane or Diarmaid O'Connor at wing forward and White and Begley as half back as our middle 8 as a whole is too small. I think this will be rectified for the championship which will hopefully improve this area. David Moran only played more than 35 minutes in 2 games in 2022 - v Mayo and v Dublin (50 min). I thought David Moran was a great player but he was a peripheral player overall in 2022. That's not to say he'd be a huge addition to the squad if he was still there.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 20, 2023 17:14:03 GMT
David Moran only played more than 35 minutes in 2 games in 2022 - v Mayo and v Dublin (50 min). I thought David Moran was a great player but he was a peripheral player overall in 2022. That's not to say he'd be a huge addition to the squad if he was still there. Yes indeed you are correct but it was David Moran sublime kick that led to our important goal v Dublin. His influence alone had a calming effect and the last day we lost of lady 4 kickouts. If we had Moran that def would nt happen. I'm reluctant to critise individuals but David made his own errors particularly at the end of the 2019 final and in the replay so it's not necessarily the case that he'd have a calming influence. He certainly is the outlet for long kickouts that we are missing and his foot passing was indeed excellent and ofcourse his leadership and physical presence.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 20, 2023 18:32:07 GMT
Mistakes 2019, I think that game was lost on the line firstly, but for sure DM errors contributed, when you handle as much ball as that nan, you will have a high error count. In 2022 he came back from a long lay off and was excellent versus both mayo and dublin, from what I remember he was sick before last years final, huge contributions in my book by after long lay off.
I would be asking DM out of retirement for the championship run, just feel our options are currently limited, with more mes means more injuries, he be a great option off the bench.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 20, 2023 18:39:49 GMT
Mistakes 2019, I think that game was lost on the line firstly, but for sure DM errors contributed, when you handle as much ball as that nan, you will have a high error count. In 2022 he came back from a long lay off and was excellent versus both mayo and dublin, from what I remember he was sick before last years final, huge contributions in my book by after long lay off. I would be asking DM out of retirement for the championship run, just feel our options are currently limited, with more mes means more injuries, he be a great option off the bench. I would too Mike, I'm not critising him in any shape or form but just pointing out that we all make errors.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 20, 2023 18:55:14 GMT
Mistakes 2019, I think that game was lost on the line firstly, but for sure DM errors contributed, when you handle as much ball as that nan, you will have a high error count. In 2022 he came back from a long lay off and was excellent versus both mayo and dublin, from what I remember he was sick before last years final, huge contributions in my book by after long lay off. I would be asking DM out of retirement for the championship run, just feel our options are currently limited, with more mes means more injuries, he be a great option off the bench. I would too Mike, I'm not critising him in any shape or form but just pointing out that we all make errors. Saw Ambrose behind me in the terrace on Saturday, sure why not see if he's available as well? Personally, I feel every player has their day, David's best days were pre 2021, yes he was an outlet for a long ball but invariably in the first 50+ minutes, post that threshold, tired legs means tired minds and errors, Dublin 2019 replay and even the Dublin goal last year.. yes, David was a massive servant but expecting an gent of his vintage to control the engine room isn't the answer in my opinion. Even at club level, football is a young man's game. We have to play the hands dealt and devise a strategy best tailored to suit our needs. Kickouts are set plays, it's easy to have three or four in your locker to rollout as the needs must or as ploy to counteract or as s proactive in a match situation. .
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 20, 2023 18:56:45 GMT
I think David’s errors came from tiredness, if he was coming on that wouldn’t be an issue. Very unlikely he’ll come back though, he’s made his decision.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 20, 2023 19:44:00 GMT
I would too Mike, I'm not critising him in any shape or form but just pointing out that we all make errors. Saw Ambrose behind me in the terrace on Saturday, sure why not see if he's available as well? Personally, I feel every player has their day, David's best days were pre 2021, yes he was an outlet for a long ball but invariably in the first 50+ minutes, post that threshold, tired legs means tired minds and errors, Dublin 2019 replay and even the Dublin goal last year.. yes, David was a massive servant but expecting an gent of his vintage to control the engine room isn't the answer in my opinion. Even at club level, football is a young man's game. We have to play the hands dealt and devise a strategy best tailored to suit our needs. Kickouts are set plays, it's easy to have three or four in your locker to rollout as the needs must or as ploy to counteract or as s proactive in a match situation. . Are you available yourself horsebox, you talk a good game. 😂😂😂 To be fair I think your comment is a bit off the mark, DM, has just been picked on club team of the year , so still has something to offer, especially based on our poor MF performances todate.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 20, 2023 20:28:28 GMT
Saw Ambrose behind me in the terrace on Saturday, sure why not see if he's available as well? Personally, I feel every player has their day, David's best days were pre 2021, yes he was an outlet for a long ball but invariably in the first 50+ minutes, post that threshold, tired legs means tired minds and errors, Dublin 2019 replay and even the Dublin goal last year.. yes, David was a massive servant but expecting an gent of his vintage to control the engine room isn't the answer in my opinion. Even at club level, football is a young man's game. We have to play the hands dealt and devise a strategy best tailored to suit our needs. Kickouts are set plays, it's easy to have three or four in your locker to rollout as the needs must or as ploy to counteract or as s proactive in a match situation. . Are you available yourself horsebox, you talk a good game. 😂😂😂 To be fair I think your comment is a bit off the mark, DM, has just been picked on club team of the year , so still has something to offer, especially based on our poor MF performances todate. I agree, He was unreal against Crokes in the semi final. Look it's unlikely to happen but what's the harm. With OConnor injured, Okunbor injured, We could do with him..
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Post by mike70 on Mar 20, 2023 20:59:37 GMT
Are you available yourself horsebox, you talk a good game. 😂😂😂 To be fair I think your comment is a bit off the mark, DM, has just been picked on club team of the year , so still has something to offer, especially based on our poor MF performances todate. I agree, He was unreal against Crokes in the semi final. Look it's unlikely to happen but what's the harm. With OConnor injured, Okunbor injured, We could do with him.. That’s the only point I am making Royal, have another option, as we have too few.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 20, 2023 21:15:15 GMT
Yes indeed you are correct but it was David Moran sublime kick that led to our important goal v Dublin. His influence alone had a calming effect and the last day we lost of lady 4 kickouts. If we had Moran that def would nt happen. I'm reluctant to critise individuals but David made his own errors particularly at the end of the 2019 final and in the replay so it's not necessarily the case that he'd have a calming influence. He certainly is the outlet for long kickouts that we are missing and his foot passing was indeed excellent and ofcourse his leadership and physical presence. I felt sorry for DM at the end of the first 2019 final. He showed great leadership by looking for possession, but a lot of the Kerry players stayed stationary, particularly in the backs while the Dubs hunted in packs. The 14 other Kerry players should have been breaking their arses running around as a passing option for DM to hold onto possession.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 20, 2023 21:38:51 GMT
Saw Ambrose behind me in the terrace on Saturday, sure why not see if he's available as well? Personally, I feel every player has their day, David's best days were pre 2021, yes he was an outlet for a long ball but invariably in the first 50+ minutes, post that threshold, tired legs means tired minds and errors, Dublin 2019 replay and even the Dublin goal last year.. yes, David was a massive servant but expecting an gent of his vintage to control the engine room isn't the answer in my opinion. Even at club level, football is a young man's game. We have to play the hands dealt and devise a strategy best tailored to suit our needs. Kickouts are set plays, it's easy to have three or four in your locker to rollout as the needs must or as ploy to counteract or as s proactive in a match situation. . Are you available yourself horsebox, you talk a good game. 😂😂😂 To be fair I think your comment is a bit off the mark, DM, has just been picked on club team of the year , so still has something to offer, especially based on our poor MF performances todate. Ah ok, maybe I'm being over critical or harsh, but this is as close as you'll get to professionalism and any weakness or perceived weakness will be exposed. Yes, he was an exceptional player and I was a fan but at some stage the book closes. We have to look ahead with an eye to a three or four year plan, not a six month stop gap solution . But that's just my opinion, I'm not saying I'm right...
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Post by mossie on Mar 21, 2023 0:17:32 GMT
David Moran = outstanding player in his time with Kerry but time to move on
Come the business end in the championship we will have Jack Barry, Diarmuid O'Connor, Barry O'Sullivan to pick from
Adrian Spillane is an option as well
are people panicking a bit? show faith in the lads above
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