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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 6, 2023 20:30:47 GMT
Two observations about Stefan. The first is that he would benefit enormously from intensive one-to-one specific coaching. The only caveat is the difficulty of identifying the coach. Not much use, if he comes from the same School of Bewilderment as the majority of "coaches" around the country. The second is that if I had the time I could dig up clips of Michael Darragh MacCauley in his early days with both Ballyboden and the Dubs. Trust me, MDM didn't have an ounce of football skill - but he parlayed what he had into becoming Player of the Year. Stefan has had very little game time for club or county. Once he gets the confidence to drive forward, he will present huge problems for the opposition. I wish we had a few more with his physical attributes. I made the exact same comparison last week with MDMA because the similarities are obvious. MDMA was never a good kicker if he got infront of the goal he would basically drive his boot through the ball with little skill. But what he did was win lots of ball around the middle it was his fingers that broke the ball for their goal against us in the 2013 game if I remember correctly. He had super hands, super speed and broke lines. I think he could be the perfect foil for a more traditional midfielder like DOC.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 6, 2023 20:38:34 GMT
A look at their forum will tell you what they think of Kerry. The absolutely hate Kerry and I don't use that word lightly. The guardians, the keepers of the light, Nicknaming Kerry players in what they see as humour. Name calling, derogatory terms all allowed.. However if you have the nerve to stand up for Kerry or don't tip the cap to Dublin then your banned. The world is against them, The media is against them, full of ex Kerry players with agendas. They are refed differently aswell.. The never get the credit they deserve apparently. I live up and work in Dublin too Mick and I don't give 2 tuppence as to what they think of us. A look on many forums and you ll see many counties seem to have a strong dislike for Kerry and alot of that is recent as we are now perceived as bad losers. We used to be known as gracious losers but that has changed because when the Northern teams got the better of us we blamed all bar ourselves. Also you say you don't care what Dublin think of us. Maybe you believe that. I don't because if you did nt care what they thought of us you would nt care too much about losing to them. Now the irony in post is that it of the problems you have with Dublin is the same they have with us. As for 5hevworld being against them we'll many Kerry supporters feel the same way thinking they all against Kerry. Many Kerry and Dublin supporters are more alike than you think. Dub fans giving out about ref v Derry. Kerry fans giving out about ref v Tyrone. Most Kerry fans are good but so are most Dub fans. Even Mayo fans are good but I have come across very nasty bitter Mayo fans too. Dublin fans prob dislike Mayo more than us but whinging does nt help. Any Dub reading the Kerry forum knows most Kerry fans don't like Dublin either. I myself can't say I hate any county but yes there are counties I hate losing to and Dublin and Cork would be up there fairly high folliwed by Mayo and probably then Tyrone. Mick not caring what they think and carrying about losing to them is not the same thing. If you look at their forum they are allowed go way beyond the pale for what is acceptable. The inference made about the celebrations last year was slanderous and required admin to delete the thread only after it was up long enough to defame those in the video. Now you always appear quick to say we should self reflect before we critise others but as I said I live up here, played football up here and know as many Dubs as Kerry fans and many are very decent people but their is an undertone of hate towards us. I've seen plenty of bad stuff but probably after the 2015 final was the worst when a lad spat at my sister. The reason they hate us more than anyone else is because Kerry on balance have had their number while they can look down their nose's at the Mayos of this world.
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Post by exiled on Mar 6, 2023 21:45:08 GMT
I got a Glasgow kiss off a Dub in the 80s and another family member had his arm broken so I know some dub supporters are scumbags but I have had great craic with them as well. As regards Stefan I remember being told by a few Mayo supporters the night that Donacha Walsh played his first league game in Castlebar that they had never seen a Kerry player so poor. I replied by saying he would retire with AI medals unlike their men. But I didn't think then that he would improve so much.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 6, 2023 21:50:20 GMT
Mick not caring what they think and carrying about losing to them is not the same thing. If you look at their forum they are allowed go way beyond the pale for what is acceptable. The inference made about the celebrations last year was slanderous and required admin to delete the thread only after it was up long enough to defame those in the video. Now you always appear quick to say we should self reflect before we critise others but as I said I live up here, played football up here and know as many Dubs as Kerry fans and many are very decent people but their is an undertone of hate towards us. I've seen plenty of bad stuff but probably after the 2015 final was the worst when a lad spat at my sister. The reason they hate us more than anyone else is because Kerry on balance have had their number while they can look down their nose's at the Mayos of this world. The "lad" that spat at your sister is a lowlife scumbag and I'm sure any decent Dublin fan would be disgusted with that low life. That's the problem in sport. People turn against a whole county because of the actions of one tramp. I have a friend that hates black people because a black person robbed his car. Most car robberies in Ireland are done by whites. As for the celebration rumours last year. I presume its "the bag" stuff. Well did those tweets and rumours not come from home first? What about the thugs from Kerry that started the row in hill 16 after the 19 final replay and in case you think they being blamed in the wrong a female reporter from Kerry said it was Kerry fans that started the trouble. I don't know what site you on about and maybe many do hate Kerry but many on here seem to hate Dublin like yourself. Now it's not that long ago here some posters called for an outside poster from Mayo to be banned and the poster did nt post anything too bad but did nt tip the hat to Kerry. Many in Kerry are as sensitive as Dublin and as Tyrone. Now gate each other all you want. I don't judge a whole county on the actions of certain people but if someone spat at my sister I would hate that person and I'm sure the culprit would hate me too if I met him as he d gave reason too. Now facts are facts and the fact is Jack was again moaning saying we could nt buy frees and he said the same v Donegal. Take a leaf out of Galway book last year. I'm not judging a county on 1 low life. I have family and friends in clubs around Dublin very decent people. However there is a very vocal element on their forums that I dislike.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 6, 2023 22:37:49 GMT
I don't think Jack was whinging at all. The Dubs love to paint us in the 'sore loser' light. He even questioned himself if perhaps he was being biased. The reality is Jack is seeing the League as a training run and the goal is to stay in division 1. He said it last week. I'd say, like all Kerry people, he'd have taken a League final but isn't too worried about it. It wasn't a complete failure yesterday as the Mayo game was. Donal Down, Seanie's goal being a few of the positives.As always, i'd expect Kerry to be a different animal come Summer. A look at their forum will tell you what they think of Kerry. The absolutely hate Kerry and I don't use that word lightly. The guardians, the keepers of the light, Nicknaming Kerry players in what they see as humour. Name calling, derogatory terms all allowed.. However if you have the nerve to stand up for Kerry or don't tip the cap to Dublin then your banned. The world is against them, The media is against them, full of ex Kerry players with agendas. They are refed differently aswell.. The never get the credit they deserve apparently. I live up and work in Dublin too Mick and I don't give 2 tuppence as to what they think of us. Yes, I've seen some of the Dubs posts on their forum. They're obsessed with Kerry & their hatred of us has no bounds. I've seen misogynism, anti-travelling community and all forms of bigotry posts with no regulation. Picking on players physical traits, trying to insult Kerry players by calling them female names e.g. calling Kieran Donaghy Dorothy. This isn't one or two, this is the majority. Strange to think in 2023, people think calling somone a woman's name is a great insult. You might think this is pre-teens, but no this is men in their 30s, 40s and 50s. I remember when there was a such thing as Dublin wit, but unfortunately that's only half true these days.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 6, 2023 23:20:05 GMT
A look at their forum will tell you what they think of Kerry. The absolutely hate Kerry and I don't use that word lightly. The guardians, the keepers of the light, Nicknaming Kerry players in what they see as humour. Name calling, derogatory terms all allowed.. However if you have the nerve to stand up for Kerry or don't tip the cap to Dublin then your banned. The world is against them, The media is against them, full of ex Kerry players with agendas. They are refed differently aswell.. The never get the credit they deserve apparently. I live up and work in Dublin too Mick and I don't give 2 tuppence as to what they think of us. Yes, I've seen some of the Dubs posts on their forum. They're obsessed with Kerry & their hatred of us has no bounds. I've seen misogynism, anti-travelling community and all forms of bigotry posts with no regulation. Picking on players physical traits, trying to insult Kerry players by calling them female names e.g. calling Kieran Donaghy Dorothy. This isn't one or two, this is the majority. Strange to think in 2023, people think calling somone a woman's name is a great insult. You might think this is pre-teens, but no this is men in their 30s, 40s and 50s. I remember when there was a such thing as Dublin wit, but unfortunately that's only half true these days. As matter of interest I just had a look there and the last post under Allianz leagues and you'd want to read the comment about Jack O Connor. You just wouldn't see that here or on the Mayo forum for that matter.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Mar 6, 2023 23:20:46 GMT
Yes, I've seen some of the Dubs posts on their forum. They're obsessed with Kerry & their hatred of us has no bounds. I've seen misogynism, anti-travelling community and all forms of bigotry posts with no regulation. Picking on players physical traits, trying to insult Kerry players by calling them female names e.g. calling Kieran Donaghy Dorothy. This isn't one or two, this is the majority. Strange to think in 2023, people think calling somone a woman's name is a great insult. You might think this is pre-teens, but no this is men in their 30s, 40s and 50s. I remember when there was a such thing as Dublin wit, but unfortunately that's only half true these days. Not nice but I remember a Kerry poster on hoganstand forum constantly referring to Jack McCaffery as simple Jack. Now that is as low as you can go. When asked the poster said he s going around smiling etc and he is "Simple Jack". Now that should nt be said about any player even nasty players but ice never saw Jack even commit a dirty tackle. it might have escaped your notice but this forum isn't Hoganstand, thankfully. I doubt anyone has ever called him that and if they did they would be called out. I for one am delighted (even though it hurts Kerry) he is back as he is a great footballer to watch. Also to earlier suggest the drug comments about Kerry (the bag video) came from Kerry is disgusting. You should be ashamed. It all came from this neanderthal on Twitter twitter.com/keith_doyle_86?t=2gzKkvK_ZDgMWWhqvU7ZVA&s=09Read the replies to our Chairman's tweet trying to educate that clown I hope his mouth is paying for this year's team holiday.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 6, 2023 23:37:10 GMT
Unlike many posters over the last 30 odd hours who have been unfairly critical of the team I think they played okay. Because of the pre Christmas schedule and the early Summer schedule Jack and his management team have to do the stamina work during the league. The players seem to be muscle bound - we're seeing an awful lot of Garryowens. That first point by David - I think the Americans were going to shoot it down. There is also a tiredness factor. Despite these handicaps the players worked hard and improvised. It didn't happen for them but they stuck to their task. That mentality will be a bonus later in the season.
Considering everything I thought Stefan did well. He showed the added skill of going forward and making himself available. Demanding the ball is the next step. Having said that I think we should give him a bit of space. He seems to be constantly under the microscope. I am as guilty as as anyone else here.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 7, 2023 0:05:29 GMT
I think we are over doing the attention we are giving nasties and who are everywhere but I am delighted to be able to say that I always have good experiences with all things GAA, with fellow supporters who have passion for it, who appreciate and respect all players of all teams for the enormous sacrifice they make and where we are served up with endless hours of entertainment, whether it be at a game or stretched out on the couch in front of the fire as poor players have to contend with the elements of our Irish weather. I include backroom teams and officials in this and I'd say most on here would share this view.
We have good exchanges on here and it can never be too good. When I am commenting I try to think of the great people I have met and who have added to my experience, and so I try to add to theirs, yours. Of course we will disagree on occasion but there's no harm in that and it is times like that where one learns more, maybe learn that we can all be wrong.
Talking of David's point, will it be a contender for point/score of the year? Which does one prefer - regaling such moments of magic or paying attention to negativity?
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Mar 7, 2023 8:40:11 GMT
it might have escaped your notice but this forum isn't Hoganstand, thankfully. I doubt anyone has ever called him that and if they did they would be called out. I for one am delighted (even though it hurts Kerry) he is back as he is a great footballer to watch. Also to earlier suggest the drug comments about Kerry (the bag video) came from Kerry is disgusting. You should be ashamed. It all came from this neanderthal on Twitter twitter.com/keith_doyle_86?t=2gzKkvK_ZDgMWWhqvU7ZVA&s=09Read the replies to our Chairman's tweet trying to educate that clown I hope his mouth is paying for this year's team holiday. Read posts properly before commenting. I did Not suggest any such thing as you claim. I asked a question. I asked did the rumour not come from Kerry? The first time I heard it was from home and when this forum said they got a solicitor to watch posts I thought it had to do with the "Bag" etc. Now I don't know where the rumour started. Do you for sure? I doubt it but one thing for certain is you are accusing me in the wrong! I stand by my comment. I was on Twitter that day and also linked the chairman condemning that clown for his allegation. It did not come from Kerry. I told you where it originated and you are still a doubting Thomas. IT DID NOT COME FROM KERRY. Videos were shared of Kerry celebrating like we saw with Gaobh Dothair a few years back or Ballyraggert. One obvious idiot decided to interject his own intelligent commentary into it. Think about it. If the same situation happened in 2021 with Tyrone or 2020 with Dublin, no one would think their own county people would call their team out as druggies. You are only asking questions? Ní dóigh liom é You slated Kerry fans for comments on another forum (known for trolling). Could be someone trolling? No, it must be Kerry. Why is it that most messages you post here sound like a cry for acknowledgement and approval from Dubs? As you said "I'm only asking questions". 😉
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 7, 2023 9:43:50 GMT
I asked a question. Yes. I did nt suggest! You said it came from twitter. Where did the guy get the video? Do you know? No you don't? Unless you were there of course and saw who recorded it. The Dubs were reported for covid training. Did it come from Dublin? I don't know just asking. You can stand by what you want but you accused me on the wrong. Read back the posts and you ll realise that. People that make false accusation cannot be trusted. They are shallow and cowards. It was taken from a players social media page which shows how innocent that was.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Mar 7, 2023 10:15:08 GMT
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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Post by kot on Mar 7, 2023 10:45:18 GMT
Well, I said last week that this game would either have us favourites to make a league final or looking at a relegation dogfight. It's very much the latter now and can't see we deserve any better for the way we have been playing.
Let's park the absolutely shocking standard of the officiating, and changing of the interpretation of the tackle depending on who was on the attack.... not to mention the blatant simulation and dark arts that the ref missed in front of his eyes. Anyway, I won't get started on that so back to where Kerry are after our 3rd defeat.
I totally get and appreciate that the players are not where other counties are now with their training and you would still fancy them to do enough to stay out of trouble, but there are worrying signs that we don't have the depth and that we haven't adapted from last year.
We are absolutely rudderless going forward, passing around in curve from the 2 corner flags and the 65. Badly missing Gavin White as there is very little penetration of defensive set us without him.
Teams seem to have us figured out and finding ways to bring Morley out of the cover leaving the backline exposed. Added to that, we are looking extremely light at midfield at present so pressure is continually coming at us.
Jack & his team will have to adapt tactically and quick, standing still is going backwards and we will come up short at the business end unless we can do adapt and stop playing this stagnant, conservative & risk averse football. If it was effective, you would nearly excuse the sheer mundanity of it.... but it has not been & won't be later in the summer.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 7, 2023 11:33:57 GMT
Well, I said last week that this game would either have us favourites to make a league final or looking at a relegation dogfight. Err...we are favourites to make a league final along with Mayo!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 7, 2023 12:06:16 GMT
I think we are over doing the attention we are giving nasties and who are everywhere but I am delighted to be able to say that I always have good experiences with all things GAA, with fellow supporters who have passion for it, who appreciate and respect all players of all teams for the enormous sacrifice they make and where we are served up with endless hours of entertainment, whether it be at a game or stretched out on the couch in front of the fire as poor players have to contend with the elements of our Irish weather. I include backroom teams and officials in this and I'd say most on here would share this view. We have good exchanges on here and it can never be too good. When I am commenting I try to think of the great people I have met and who have added to my experience, and so I try to add to theirs, yours. Of course we will disagree on occasion but there's no harm in that and it is times like that where one learns more, maybe learn that we can all be wrong. Talking of David's point, will it be a contender for point/score of the year? Which does one prefer - regaling such moments of magic or paying attention to negativity? 'Tis worse we are getting and a lot of dialogue is based on shaky ground. I was having a chat with a solid kind of man lately and we concluded was that with the deluge of information these days, nobody knows what to believe, let alone having the baseline on which to do your own thinking. I find strange the position Donegal are in right now with Karl Lacey effectively being sacked from the Academy. What's worse is that even otherwise reliable commentators don't seem to know the basis of the move and which is detrimental to a county that faces soccer head on in the community. Whatever else Donald Trump did, he didn't invent fake news - more likely a product of the parish pump and it is not good and so there will be a price, one way or another. It is so sad when Anthony Molloy doesn't know what is going on and that is a massive disconnect in a county that tucked away as it is in a corner, is almost an island in itself. Karl Lacey is the standout Academy leader and he is now gone, maybe never to return - so so sad when you consider what he contributed and now he is able to continue delivering, so much of a role model as he is. For a county where 'the |Gaelic' as they call it is 50;50 with soccer, he'd tip the scales and attract some great players our way. And now people don't even know what that won't happen. As for Molloy on Laochra Gael, he is great pundit, particularly before games - always on track, a great reader even of the modern game.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 7, 2023 12:43:54 GMT
One half interesting observation O Rahillys are running a last man standing competition using the division 1 and 2 games. Before a ball was kicked entrants picked a winner from the seven league rounds from division 1 and 2 games. If your pick draws or loses you are out. A county can only be chosen once. Of those remaining by round 5 - 22 people picked Tyrone to beat Kerry and only 1 entry gave the nod to Kerry - this suggests last weekends result was not a surprise.
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Post by kot on Mar 7, 2023 13:08:18 GMT
Well, I said last week that this game would either have us favourites to make a league final or looking at a relegation dogfight. Err...we are favourites to make a league final along with Mayo! Ive seen that but reckon its more based on reputation and last years achievements rather than form and current evidence of the eyes.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 7, 2023 13:33:41 GMT
One half interesting observation O Rahillys are running a last man standing competition using the division 1 and 2 games. Before a ball was kicked entrants picked a winner from the seven league rounds from division 1 and 2 games. If your pick draws or loses you are out. A county can only be chosen once. Of those remaining by round 5 - 22 people picked Tyrone to beat Kerry and only 1 entry gave the nod to Kerry - this suggests last weekends result was not a surprise. Interesting observation, the bookies had a different angle and spread.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 7, 2023 13:40:09 GMT
One half interesting observation O Rahillys are running a last man standing competition using the division 1 and 2 games. Before a ball was kicked entrants picked a winner from the seven league rounds from division 1 and 2 games. If your pick draws or loses you are out. A county can only be chosen once. Of those remaining by round 5 - 22 people picked Tyrone to beat Kerry and only 1 entry gave the nod to Kerry - this suggests last weekends result was not a surprise. Interesting observation, the bookies had a different angle and spread. Everybody that picked Tyrone had more than likely picked Kerry, Mayo, Galway and Armagh already and were left to choose between Tyrone, Donegal and Monaghan. Either that or a bit of inside info. from Micheál Quirke.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 7, 2023 13:56:03 GMT
Very disappointed to see Stefan pick up another injury as he was going well and is all action player that gives us something different.
Kerry technically are facing a relegation battle but realistically their not based on their fixtures.
6 should be enough and 8 could push us into a league final. The last game will be very interesting given you'd expect Kerry to be closer to championship pace at that stage.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 7, 2023 13:58:19 GMT
Closer to championship pace and personnel.
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Post by thehermit on Mar 7, 2023 14:08:39 GMT
We'll I'm looking forward to a weekend away in Galway for the last game, should be a cracker if both sides are in need of some sort of result.
Only saw the last 15-20 mins of the Tyrone game that was more than enough. Hugely frustrating to have four chances to take a levelling score in those last 8-5 minutes and no one willing to take responsibility onto themselves.
We should not be giving Tyrone 2 points like that, I doubt I'm the only one on here who would have been pleased for Kerry to have had significant hand in their relegation.
They might stay up now, then again they might not. Same as oursleves.
The Rossie match if a final in itself now, it has to be won and that has to be the focus in training for the next two weeks.
Long weekend, full house, desperate for a result - if those ingredients don't produce a winning cocktail we are in serious trouble this summer!
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Post by piskin on Mar 9, 2023 17:59:36 GMT
These last two games are must win's for the coming summer championship. People go on about fitness levels and the like but that's lame in truth, when you have so -called experienced players hesitating to kick for a point much less a kickpass. Turgid lateral passing that is killing the confidence & creativity of talented players. I don't doubt the hunger & the pride players have but we need two top peformances & results to skake off this current rut.
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Post by john4 on Mar 9, 2023 19:42:38 GMT
These last two games are must win's for the coming summer championship. People go on about fitness levels and the like but that's lame in truth, when you have so -called experienced players hesitating to kick for a point much less a kickpass. Turgid lateral passing that is killing the confidence & creativity of talented players. I don't doubt the hunger & the pride players have but we need two top peformances & results to skake off this current rut. I know we didn't go out to be in the position we're now in needing to get something out of our last few league matches but there are benefits to be gained by being in this position. Indifference in performance can arise If we were safe from relegation at this point whereas the threat of relegation will keep everyone honest at training and matches and ensure that there's no dip in preparation for further out the summer.
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