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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 29, 2023 17:54:06 GMT
Killian has to be the worst league footballer in the division. It’s almost getting to the stage whereby if it’s not a dry pitch, dry ball and a minimum of 18 degrees then you may aswell leave him out of the squad. Definitely a man for the sun on his back in Croker in July/August alright. He’s not a rough and tumble footballer which is what the Jan & Feb games are about. I’d rather him shining in the summer to be honest. Yeah he was atrocious in the league last year and then very good for us in the championship. It’s some contrast
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jan 29, 2023 17:58:15 GMT
Definitely a man for the sun on his back in Croker in July/August alright. He’s not a rough and tumble footballer which is what the Jan & Feb games are about. I’d rather him shining in the summer to be honest. Yeah he was atrocious in the league last year and then very good for us in the championship. It’s some contrast He gets some really big scores for Kerry in Croker. A playground for the Spillanes over the years one might say!
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Post by mike70 on Jan 29, 2023 18:01:36 GMT
Lots of factors in our loss, but I must agree let’s not be throwing anyone under the bus after today, performances normally are better when the whole team performs and today we were not at the races, early days after our exploits of last year, would also caution about over reacting to fresh players coming in and doing well against fading defenders, positive to see, but we will judge them all after a few more league games. Happy to see DC and co rested for awhile yet and let’s see how the remainder perform.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 29, 2023 18:21:16 GMT
4 of the starting forwards were poor (and thats being kind) - Adrian Spillane, Killian Spillane, M Burns and Tony Brosnan - but strangely we still left it after us. If ever the absence of a free taker showed, it was today. disagree regarding Adrain, he was involved in most of the positive plays in the first half, a lot of ball was going up his wing and he had the most turnovers in this half?
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 29, 2023 18:21:31 GMT
At this stage he must be in his late 20's so hard to see him pushing on more. Is Donal O Sullivan the first Kilgarvan player to play senior football with Kerry? He looked good in the short time he was on. Donal is only 23, and is better than Tony Brosnan, bigger, stronger and faster. Has the ability to get past his man aswel which Brosnan and Burns never could or never will be able to do. I would give him the start v Monaghan and see how he gets on. I’m glad to see posters here also seeing the merits of DOS The shot that dropped short off his left Would be in line for score of the week had it went over Has he been hiding in plain sight and we missed him ?
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Post by percentageplay on Jan 29, 2023 18:28:19 GMT
Killian has to be the worst league footballer in the division. It’s almost getting to the stage whereby if it’s not a dry pitch, dry ball and a minimum of 18 degrees then you may aswell leave him out of the squad. Definitely a man for the sun on his back in Croker in July/August alright. He’s not a rough and tumble footballer which is what the Jan & Feb games are about. I’d rather him shining in the summer to be honest. Good to see such balanced analysis of both corner forwards based on today, cut the legs off one and cut slack for the other 😛
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 29, 2023 18:38:21 GMT
Agree on Brosnan, Burns the same. He has been around Kerry panels for a while now. * or get off the pot. Burns & Brosnan on the same wing was a disaster - Brosnan never looked like going past his man, toe tapping on the spot, can’t believe he wasn’t substituted- Donal “Down” did far more in the short time he was on the pitch. Burns has got plenty of chances at this stage, under three different managers, and I find it hard to see what he has to offer now. He's probably in his late 20's now as well.
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Post by taggert on Jan 29, 2023 18:55:30 GMT
4 of the starting forwards were poor (and thats being kind) - Adrian Spillane, Killian Spillane, M Burns and Tony Brosnan - but strangely we still left it after us. If ever the absence of a free taker showed, it was today. disagree regarding Adrain, he was involved in most of the positive plays in the first half, a lot of ball was going up his wing and he had the most turnovers in this half? Its Adrian not Adrain - I say this as you always make that typo! Yes he did effect some turnovers, I think Dara had more, but he also coughed up 2 or 3 times by needlessly taking the ball into the tackle in a wet and windy Donegal. If I recall correctly, when 1-6 to 5 up he foolishly went for broke and ran into traffic and took a shot that wasn't on, was unduly blocked and from the resultant turnover, Donegal scored a point and went in only 1 goal down at the break. McBrearty said in a post match interview they were lucky to only be a goal down at HT. Adrian is ling enough in the tooth to know he ought to have minded that ball and engineered a team score to go in 5 up at the break.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 29, 2023 19:03:16 GMT
Lads MOTM was 5 for Donegal, he did serious damage in fairness, all through the game.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 29, 2023 19:20:52 GMT
Definitely a man for the sun on his back in Croker in July/August alright. He’s not a rough and tumble footballer which is what the Jan & Feb games are about. I’d rather him shining in the summer to be honest. Good to see such balanced analysis of both corner forwards based on today, cut the legs off one and cut slack for the other 😛 To be fair Kilians wide in thr 2nd half when we really needed it was very poor. We left that behind us today against a very depleted Donegal. It has to be said Donegals 5th was wide and we lost by a point. Jack can rightly be annoyed.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jan 29, 2023 19:22:55 GMT
Definitely a man for the sun on his back in Croker in July/August alright. He’s not a rough and tumble footballer which is what the Jan & Feb games are about. I’d rather him shining in the summer to be honest. Good to see such balanced analysis of both corner forwards based on today, cut the legs off one and cut slack for the other 😛 Are we wrong in what we said though?? Killian has proved his worth to Kerry when it counts in knockout games in Croker in the summer, whereas Tony hasn’t really taken any chances he has been given. Not knocking Tony at all as he has been a superb club player for the Crokes in big matches.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 29, 2023 19:36:45 GMT
Yeah he was atrocious in the league last year and then very good for us in the championship. It’s some contrast He gets some really big scores for Kerry in Croker. A playground for the Spillanes over the years one might say! I agree that he has but he has been absolutely cat in the league a lot of the time. Put him in storage until may
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Post by percentageplay on Jan 29, 2023 19:36:57 GMT
Good to see such balanced analysis of both corner forwards based on today, cut the legs off one and cut slack for the other 😛 Are we wrong in what we said though?? Killian has proved his worth to Kerry when it counts in knockout games in Croker in the summer, whereas Tony hasn’t really taken any chances he has been given. Not knocking Tony at all as he has been a superb club player for the Crokes in big matches. No you haven't said anything wrong at all (and I fully appreciate what KS has done on big days). I'm just pointing out the different lens used to look at similar players in the same match. For example the comments regarding KS being a fair weather footballer can also be applied to TB but commenters choose to ignore todays conditions when judging TB. Just trying to bring balance rather than some here sticking the boot in.
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Post by backothehill on Jan 29, 2023 19:52:25 GMT
Ah lads, I made my way down to the back of the goal we were attacking there in stoppage time and we had a great chance. Who was it that dropped it short into the goalie's hands from dead straight in front of the goals? They went down the field, gave it to Paddy McBrearty and that was that. A good old run out I suppose for the first day out. Donegal were able to re jig and reel is in but we were not able to change anything to push on again. That was disappointing.
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Jan 29, 2023 19:53:02 GMT
I went thinking that we'd be well beaten and I left thinking that we left a point (if not 2) behind.
Kerry were the better team for the first 25 mins but Donegal were better for the rest of the game.
The wind made the day very difficult, the 2 Donegal keepers were warming up for about 5 mins before the teams came out, simply landing high balls in on top of each other in the "road" goal. One of the keepers missed a ball, jumping unopposed! As one stage in the first half the flags at that end were blowing right to left while at the other end the rain was blowing across the pitch left to right! This is the end that Shane Murphy missed his frees and Donal Down's kicked effort fell short.
The newcomers mostly did well, Breen(newcomer?), Barry Dan and Donal Down caught my eye the most albeit Barry did seem to fade towards the end. Breen showed lovely skill in the right corner forward position mid way in the 2nd half, picking up the ball with his left foot and then soloing right and then left. I know this isn't the most ridiculous skill but you'd rarely see it. Donal was very incisive in 2 occasions and will rue his short kick. I just checked Terrace Talk and he seems to be the first Kilgarvan player to play Senior Football for the county. He will surely see more gametime (and a few starts?) during the league.
I felt that we did not get enough from our starting forwards but I am open to correction as I was at the opposite end to them for the first half. Adrian was industrious and is probably wondering why he got the bendy finger! He had a few turnovers and (I felt) that he was subjected to a lot of off the ball interest prior to kickouts being taken. That said, he can inspire an opponent to do so! Hopefully, we will have a numerical advantage from yhis some day.
You'd have to wonder if players know some of the more basic rules as both teams had technical fouls on kickouts, Kerry's was probably worse..
I heard McBrearty being interviewed on Radio 1 after the game and he said Donegal have had 2& 1/2 month's training. Does anyone know how much training Kerry have had?
He also said that Donegal were happy enough at HT as they would have the wind in the second half. I thought they had the wind in the first half, can anyone correct me on this? Or does it just confirm my point that there was a difficult wind?
I am far more optimistic about our next few league games than I was this morning. Safe travels to all who have further to return home than I do.
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Jan 29, 2023 19:55:23 GMT
As good a match as you could have expected this early in the year and with these conditions. Kerry started well, but Donegal have obviously done a lot more training by now and it was clear. Brosnan and Spillane didn't reach their potential, though you might see very few forwards do well on days like these. Going to Ballybofey is always tough and Kerry were in it right up until the end. From the post match interviews it was clear that Donegal were looking to lay down a marker. Carr could hardly control himself. McBrearty too was full of adrenaline. Kerry's defence again did quite well, Crowley, Foley and Murphy standouts once again. Midfield was not great for us, though that was very much due to the kickouts. I'd like to see the stats, but I don't think we won many of the long kickouts and very few of the Donegal ones. Shane Murphy is not a bad goalkeeper, but his job is kickouts, and he doesn't do those very well. Also took part in the freetaking and didn't do that great either. If we would kept on to Uosis he would be an option, but perhaps Shane Murphy is the best understudy for Ryan. I don't think he is though. Crowley? I suspect you mean Morley?
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Post by dc84 on Jan 29, 2023 20:05:04 GMT
We played well for a half hour we very obviously tired i thought and if subs were brought on 5 to 10 mins earlier result might have been different. Tough on the forwards aswell in that they wouldnt have the continuity of having played together much. Roche impressed me after missing a handy mark and he is a different option to what we have a bull of a man. It wasnt a surprise that our best player was also the fittest having trained hard with rathmore in paul murphy. Barry dan played well also and the aforementioned roche i wouldnt be all that concerned with the forwards as we were well down the options and we have serious lads to come back in. With a bit of luck (the ref was a homer i felt)or a couple of better shots we couldve won that. We do need to win next week though being at home and monaghan are not excatly flying high.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jan 29, 2023 20:10:21 GMT
A few things cost us today, our 10 minutes either side of the break, game was lost there, in my opinion. Our forwards at the end lacked the experience and composure at this level to make the right decisions on the ball. We are very much behind the curve fitness wise and that’s understandable and expected. Conditions like that at this stage of the season are just horrible to play in. I think we should be happy with winning our home games, minding our key players and unearthing a few diamonds who will shine when the ground is better and championship is upon us. A few put their hands up today and it will be interesting to watch their progress as the league heats up.
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Post by carthalawn on Jan 29, 2023 20:10:29 GMT
The most important factor from todays game was that Jack got game time into a few new faces, which needs to happen for at least the first 4/5 league games. It’s a long season and guys like Ruairí Murphy, Darragh Roche, Donal O’ Sullivan and Stefan are likely to be called upon at some point in the championship and hopefully push some of the more established players for places. Experience is critical. On balance the new lads acquitted themselves very well today, which is progress.
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Post by taggert on Jan 29, 2023 20:41:41 GMT
I didnt see a replay nor did I watch it back but felt at the time that the free awarded to Donegal at the death when the sides were level, about 20 to 30 yards from the goal (relative tap over territory) was extremely harsh and ought to have been awarded as a free in. A Donegal man picked up a loose ball and was surrounded by at least 3 kerry players, each more disciplined than the next, only for the player to throw himself down and buy a free. It was a pivotal call and I wondered if that was the incident that so irked Jack. Perhaps I missed a foul but looked a clear free in to me.....blue tinted glasses and all.....
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jan 29, 2023 20:47:45 GMT
I think Adrian could have been subbed as he took a few knocks and I did not think he was moving that freely towards the end. Maybe that was tiredness but he did not look 100%
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Post by peanuts on Jan 29, 2023 20:54:06 GMT
Disappointing that we couldn’t pull it out in the second half. We missed 2 easy enough shots right after each other, one by Killian and the other by Roche (I think) when the game was there for the taking. I also thought it was a poor decision to bring Murphy up for the second free. I thought it was close enough for Roche or Killian to kick out of their hands. Brosnan was unlucky in the first half hitting the post twice from a sideline and free. I was disappointed in him in the second half where he seemed like he didn’t want to take on a shot. I think it was the point given to Donegal in the first half that annoyed Jack.
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Post by southward on Jan 29, 2023 21:04:49 GMT
I didnt see a replay nor did I watch it back but felt at the time that the free awarded to Donegal at the death when the sides were level, about 20 to 30 yards from the goal (relative tap over territory) was extremely harsh and ought to have been awarded as a free in. A Donegal man picked up a loose ball and was surrounded by at least 3 kerry players, each more disciplined than the next, only for the player to throw himself down and buy a free. It was a pivotal call and I wondered if that was the incident that so irked Jack. Perhaps I missed a foul but looked a clear free in to me.....blue tinted glasses and all..... Agree - there was no foul there. Referee was a total homer today.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 29, 2023 21:51:57 GMT
As good a match as you could have expected this early in the year and with these conditions. Kerry started well, but Donegal have obviously done a lot more training by now and it was clear. Brosnan and Spillane didn't reach their potential, though you might see very few forwards do well on days like these. Going to Ballybofey is always tough and Kerry were in it right up until the end. From the post match interviews it was clear that Donegal were looking to lay down a marker. Carr could hardly control himself. McBrearty too was full of adrenaline. Kerry's defence again did quite well, Crowley, Foley and Murphy standouts once again. Midfield was not great for us, though that was very much due to the kickouts. I'd like to see the stats, but I don't think we won many of the long kickouts and very few of the Donegal ones. Shane Murphy is not a bad goalkeeper, but his job is kickouts, and he doesn't do those very well. Also took part in the freetaking and didn't do that great either. If we would kept on to Uosis he would be an option, but perhaps Shane Murphy is the best understudy for Ryan. I don't think he is though. Crowley? I suspect you mean Morley? sorry yes Morleuy
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 29, 2023 21:56:20 GMT
Just watched the game again and see the League Sunday commentary. Kerry started very well and slowly faded out of the game. Given that we haven't much training done and missing 14 players for one reason or another. Given the amount of games we'll have this year we'll need at least 30 All Ireland level players. We are gettign there but it will take some time.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jan 29, 2023 22:20:15 GMT
Just in the door and have to watch it back. Always think it's a shocking indictment of a teams forwards if a keeper is brought up to kick a free. Fine if it's a monster effort.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 29, 2023 22:29:37 GMT
Lads MOTM was 5 for Donegal, he did serious damage in fairness, all through the game. Their No 10, Johnny McGroddy was really good as well I thought.
Think a little bit of surgery in the full forward line is needed for next Sunday, would be happy to see Roche retain his place but as for the two lads in the corners might be worth seeing what their understudies can do!
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Post by kerryman56789 on Jan 29, 2023 22:41:47 GMT
Just watched allianz Sunday programme and while today I thought Donegal got a fake point tbf I think Ruari Murphy might have got one too. A few on social media asking did Jack put his hands on ref in an angry way? I'd like to see full game again before I make a full synopsis but here s a few things that annoy me. Twice in 1st half Tony Brosnan took frees (unlucky both times hitting post) but players not in around the square waiting in case of a post hit bar Dara Roche. Its a point i have been making for years. Always expect the unexpected. Players especially backs should always expect a ball might come back off post. I thought Adrian Spillane had a fairly good first half but he has a habit of needless niggling which can turn a ref against the player. Straight from throw in Adrian after shaking hands starts pushing his man hard into the chest. Pure silly and linesman watching thus he found it hard to get frees afterwards. I thought but Tom Sullivan and Mike Breen got caught out easily on occasion. Thought Foley Murphy and Morley very good. Barry Dan tried hard and made one super defensive catch in 1st half. Killian and Burns? I think Klian is a natural scorer but he frustrates me big time. I have been critical of Burns in the past but both were crucial to our victory over Galway last year especially Killian. Today both Klian and Tony B did nt get great service though. Dara Roche has the football for inter County and delighted with Dónal Downs cameo. Anytime I've seen him in the past I've been impressed. Stefan looked eager for ball which is good.I thought the first half score flattered us tbh and was nt confident at half time.
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Post by kerryman56789 on Jan 29, 2023 22:44:21 GMT
Just rewatched the game again. Burns and Brosnan weren’t at the races at all. Darragh roche only forward we had. Moyihan had a good 10 mins and donal o Sullivan made an impact off the bench. Team looked very unfit compared to donegal. Need to get a win at home next weekend !!
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Post by pillar on Jan 29, 2023 23:37:44 GMT
We have three forwards for the next 6 years..the 2 Clifford's and Seanie..we need to unearth another three..we have to develop an All Star midfielder..Defensively we're not too bad but it's going forward that'll pinch you another couple of All Irelands 8n the next 6 years.
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