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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 30, 2023 0:40:06 GMT
We have three forwards for the next 6 years..the 2 Clifford's and Seanie..we need to unearth another three..we have to develop an All Star midfielder..Defensively we're not too bad but it's going forward that'll pinch you another couple of All Irelands 8n the next 6 years. I’m our quest for a few midfield options I thought we only gave Okunbar a paltry few minutes today He looks like a good prospect but you can see he needs games and plenty of them He got very few minutes as a minor too and then went to Australia Time to take our chances now and give him opportunity To show what he can offer In fairness to the management today they introduced plenty new players most showed that they are as good and better than many of the starters today Great to get an early look at these lads and build a solid panel for the year
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 30, 2023 1:13:47 GMT
I think it’s clear that Stefan needs a lot of games at club level first although he has shown some positive glimpses in the few cameos he’s had to be fair to him. Unlike others I didn’t see a whole pile from Barry Dan today that would have me thinking that we should really persist with him. I’d like to see Mark Ryan start against Monaghan. I’d actually partner him with Mike Breen although Jack won’t not start Jack Barry. Breen has the physicality and the football which could make him a good midfielder but doesn’t offer the dash that is always a good thing in a wing back.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 30, 2023 6:05:38 GMT
Lads we have a few lads involved in sigerson, so there playing competitive football last few weeks, that always shines thru this time of year, let’s be patient, let our all ireland winners get some training under there belts, we can form better opinion then.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 30, 2023 8:32:18 GMT
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Post by pillar on Jan 30, 2023 9:21:04 GMT
We have three forwards for the next 6 years..the 2 Clifford's and Seanie..we need to unearth another three..we have to develop an All Star midfielder..Defensively we're not too bad but it's going forward that'll pinch you another couple of All Irelands 8n the next 6 years. Paul Geaney might not be finished yet either. I'm not worried about forwards at all but I worry about our midfield a little and decision making. On today in hindsight one might think the likes of Eddie Horan might have been important. It was the strong men that played well today. Paul Geaney has been a great forward but he's going to retire in the next year or two.Stephen O Brien the same..my point is who is going to step into their positions?
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Post by peanuts on Jan 30, 2023 9:43:45 GMT
He was probably referring to the controversial free in the AIF. Nothing much in his comment really/
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 30, 2023 9:49:46 GMT
He was probably referring to the controversial free in the AIF. Nothing much in his comment really/ He said Jack should be happy as alot of decisions went his way last year. That's a poor comment in my opinion.
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 30, 2023 9:56:33 GMT
Paul Geaney might not be finished yet either. I'm not worried about forwards at all but I worry about our midfield a little and decision making. On today in hindsight one might think the likes of Eddie Horan might have been important. It was the strong men that played well today. Paul Geaney has been a great forward but he's going to retire in the next year or two.Stephen O Brien the same..my point is who is going to step into their positions? This is said anytime great players come hear the end of their careers. I don't know who it'll be but someone always comes along.
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Post by dodgyknees on Jan 30, 2023 10:01:52 GMT
Ah lads, I made my way down to the back of the goal we were attacking there in stoppage time and we had a great chance. Who was it that dropped it short into the goalie's hands from dead straight in front of the goals? They went down the field, gave it to Paddy McBrearty and that was that. A good old run out I suppose for the first day out. Donegal were able to re jig and reel is in but we were not able to change anything to push on again. That was disappointing. Donal O Sullivan
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Post by The16thMan on Jan 30, 2023 10:02:02 GMT
Paul Geaney has been a great forward but he's going to retire in the next year or two.Stephen O Brien the same..my point is who is going to step into their positions? This is said anytime great players come hear the end of their careers. I don't know who it'll be but someone always comes along. That means we'll have a couple years to get fellas up to speed, I'd have good hope in Dara Moynihan to slot in for Stephen or even Ruairi Murphy.. as far as a full forward instead of Paul, that has yet to be seen but maybe his cousin Dylan might come good or others from current minor or U20. Wouldn't panic yet tho
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Post by peanuts on Jan 30, 2023 10:24:09 GMT
He was probably referring to the controversial free in the AIF. Nothing much in his comment really/ He said Jack should be happy as alot of decisions went his way last year. That's a poor comment in my opinion. I read the quote, just don't think its a big deal really.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jan 30, 2023 10:29:50 GMT
He said Jack should be happy as alot of decisions went his way last year. That's a poor comment in my opinion. I read the quote, just don't think its a big deal really. Jack made a bit too much of the that incorrect point in my view. It happened in the first half, yet he was giving out at the end and also in the media afterwards. He also made a comment along the lines of you don’t expect to get many decisions up here. I can see why the Donegal manager would react to that. It is not a great comment but neither are Jacks
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 30, 2023 10:53:10 GMT
Back to yesterday, I suppose the biggest disappointment is leaving empty handed, we could have sneaked a win, probably deserved a draw but ultimately when one sits down and analyses the play, we can have no complaints. The biggest thing for me is what it takes out of the players, they will have gone the length of the country and back and left empty handed, that journey takes its toll as players are either working or in college this morning and that is where the amateur aspect of our code falls down - in the recovery. To get even a point on the road vs the exerts input would have made it more worthwhile or profitable.
On the game itself, Our back six, I felt our back six played well, Graham plays on the offensive, is very well at linking play, Foley had McBrearty in the pocket bar the last point and Tom was sweeping well, Paul had one of his best games, looks fit and like a man hell bent on reclaiming a starting jersey, this will be challenging considering the two incumbents O’Beagleoich and White had excellent years last term, Breen is one player I have always been a fan of, invariable uses the ball and his physicality well, his vision and kick passing is of a very high standard and I was half shocked he was one of the first to depart, unless it was a case of easing back into county ball, nothing else makes sense.
We laboured in the middle, Jack Barry was ineffective and Barry Dan, despite being involved in a good bit of the play, was easily sidestepped or on the wrong side of play. The kickouts in this regard were not of benefit to both and as a result we struggled in the middle third.
Up front, Adrian’s wing saw a pile of ball in the first half and we was involved in a good few turnovers, the ball was carried into traffic a bit, of the three in this line he was the most effective, Moynihan worked hard but apart from the goal which was a gift, nothing went right for he or Burns. Inside them , Darragh Roche was moving, and the ball was sticking, he snatched at a few but of the inside line he was ploughing a lone furrow, Brosnan and Killane were laergly ineffective. One cannot expect to win an intercounty game with only two forward playing average and the remaining four well below par, not to mention a confident free taker.
Brosnan frustrates me, Killian will invariably kick in when the dry sod appears, but the Crokes man is circling the runway but not landed yet. Of the subs, as stated earlier, disappointed that Breen was called ashore, Buckley was heavily involved, I wonder does Jack see he as a wing or centre man, Stefan added mush girth to the centre but wasn’t on much ball as Buckley. The real bonus was Donal Sull, some of us have been calling for him to get a shot, I know he only had a fifteen-minute cameo but going by the failure of four of our forwards to launch, he may get a shout on Sunday, Jack however doesn’t really change much so I can only see maybe two changes for the coming week.
I don’t like knocking players, but our kickouts were very poor yesterday, he had one good save, but two or three balls put our backs under pressure and to give a hop ball on your 21 at this juncture is unforgivable. He struggles with the high press. As I stated after the McGrath Cup, we have an all-Star keeper, I don’t see Murphy pushing Shane to the extent of replacing him, that ship has sailed, is it not therefore more practical to bring in a new second choice that will challenge the Rathmore man.
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Post by The16thMan on Jan 30, 2023 11:14:03 GMT
Back to yesterday, I suppose the biggest disappointment is leaving empty handed, we could have sneaked a win, probably deserved a draw but ultimately when one sits down and analyses the play, we can have no complaints. The biggest thing for me is what it takes out of the players, they will have gone the length of the country and back and left empty handed, that journey takes its toll as players are either working or in college this morning and that is where the amateur aspect of our code falls down - in the recovery. To get even a point on the road vs the exerts input would have made it more worthwhile or profitable. On the game itself, Our back six, I felt our back six played well, Graham plays on the offensive, is very well at linking play, Foley had McBrearty in the pocket bar the last point and Tom was sweeping well, Paul had one of his best games, looks fit and like a man hell bent on reclaiming a starting jersey, this will be challenging considering the two incumbents O’Beagleoich and White had excellent years last term, Breen is one player I have always been a fan of, invariable uses the ball and his physicality well, his vision and kick passing is of a very high standard and I was half shocked he was one of the first to depart, unless it was a case of easing back into county ball, nothing else makes sense. We laboured in the middle, Jack Barry was ineffective and Barry Dan, despite being involved in a good bit of the play, was easily sidestepped or on the wrong side of play. The kickouts in this regard were not of benefit to both and as a result we struggled in the middle third. Up front, Adrian’s wing saw a pile of ball in the first half and we was involved in a good few turnovers, the ball was carried into traffic a bit, of the three in this line he was the most effective, Moynihan worked hard but apart from the goal which was a gift, nothing went right for he or Burns. Inside them , Darragh Roche was moving, and the ball was sticking, he snatched at a few but of the inside line he was ploughing a lone furrow, Brosnan and Killane were laergly ineffective. One cannot expect to win an intercounty game with only two forward playing average and the remaining four well below par, not to mention a confident free taker. Brosnan frustrates me, Killian will invariably kick in when the dry sod appears, but the Crokes man is circling the runway but not landed yet. Of the subs, as stated earlier, disappointed that Breen was called ashore, Buckley was heavily involved, I wonder does Jack see he as a wing or centre man, Stefan added mush girth to the centre but wasn’t on much ball as Buckley. The real bonus was Donal Sull, some of us have been calling for him to get a shot, I know he only had a fifteen-minute cameo but going by the failure of four of our forwards to launch, he may get a shout on Sunday, Jack however doesn’t really change much so I can only see maybe two changes for the coming week. I don’t like knocking players, but our kickouts were very poor yesterday, he had one good save, but two or three balls put our backs under pressure and to give a hop ball on your 21 at this juncture is unforgivable. He struggles with the high press. As I stated after the McGrath Cup, we have an all-Star keeper, I don’t see Murphy pushing Shane to the extent of replacing him, that ship has sailed, is it not therefore more practical to bring in a new second choice that will challenge the Rathmore man. Buckley wasn't on the panel. 24 was Ruairi Murphy, however whoever printed the programme put the wrong Listry man as 24 and a lot of match reports incorrectly say Buckley played because of this. Murphy played well when he came in, looked to carry the game to Donegal a bit more than maybe Burns did from half forward. Would like to see Murphy a bit more.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 30, 2023 11:24:57 GMT
Thanks for that, ya Murphy impressed, his physicality would be a bonus vs Monaghan
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 30, 2023 12:37:37 GMT
On jacks comments I really don't see any issue with them.
We lost by a point and they were awarded a point that was wide.
In this division its very small margins.
I don't agree that Donegal deserved to win but they didn't deserve to lose either.
Brian Cody often spoke his mind and I don't see why Jack can't do the same. We spent years listening to a Dublin manager who gave no answers at all.
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Post by Jo90 on Jan 30, 2023 14:35:36 GMT
I think the odd loss in the league this year won't do the players any harm, as a reality check to know we need to improve again this year to retain Sam.
Last year it was great to get lots of wins to get into a winning habit and boost the confidence. If we won every game this year we could be over-confident and ripe for an ambush. We won't win games with a few passengers this year, unlike last year where O'Shea and Clifford bailed out the odd underperformer.
Still want to win every game but if we lose and we can learn a lot from the defeat, it might work out better come championship.
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Post by dano on Jan 30, 2023 15:33:28 GMT
Watched it again last night. Wouldn't be too worried. Hit post twice, they were awarded a wide, newcomers did well in a fairly crowded away venue and Kerry are still 3rd from bottom due to only losing by 1. thought McBrearty's post game comment about how they weren't surprised to win hilarious. Carr's comment about Kerry getting the advantage from refs is the ongoing mind games that we'll see throughout the league and championship. There's a perception out there that Kerry are undeserving of the crown. The players and Jack will note this.I'm happy enough with the outcome. Wake up call!
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 30, 2023 15:38:49 GMT
On jacks comments I really don't see any issue with them. We lost by a point and they were awarded a point that was wide. In this division its very small margins. I don't agree that Donegal deserved to win but they didn't deserve to lose either. Brian Cody often spoke his mind and I don't see why Jack can't do the same. We spent years listening to a Dublin manager who gave no answers at all. I just find you get more respect by keeping your comments in check. Also for a league game it was silly. Cody knew when to do it as did Fitzmaurice. Jack let himself down imo and gives opposing fans oxygen. The whole thing about Jacks over reaction is entertaining The target of jacks annoyance was the ref for missing out on one single point ,but ironically Jack and his management could be Responsible for missing 4 or 5 points depending on.how much control you think a manager has For example sending in two lightweight forwards with that opposition and in those conditions No clear free taker etc and ineffective midfield Yes bad call by biased umpires possibly ( and yes we need hawk eye or something better on all ground It’s cannot and should not be that expensive ) But the management will need to look at themselves too and figure out why we left 4 or 5 scoreable points behind us yesterday
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Post by Corner Back on Jan 30, 2023 16:05:06 GMT
[/quote]Paul Geaney might not be finished yet either. I'm not worried about forwards at all but I worry about our midfield a little and decision making. On today in hindsight one might think the likes of Eddie Horan might have been important. It was the strong men that played well today. [/quote]
You were obviously not at the McGrath Cup game against Clare. Eddie Horan was taken off after 25 minutes. Out of his depth,in the McGrath Cup.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 30, 2023 16:07:29 GMT
We struggled yesterday for the most part in all sectors, as I said previously we will judge the new boys when they get game time, not the last ten minutes when the game was scattered as regards structure. We had a few good performances for sure but for the most part we struggled, and when the collective struggle, then it’s hard to win games, for me yesterday that was a right average donegal team and we struggled, for me it’s pure down to lack of work.
Let’s look forward to next week, put the long distance training session behind us, build on this game.
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Post by Jo90 on Jan 30, 2023 17:00:07 GMT
In fairness to him, Tomás did well to last 20 minutes as he was only 10 years old in 1988.😋
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Post by murphlegend on Jan 30, 2023 18:01:57 GMT
We have three forwards for the next 6 years..the 2 Clifford's and Seanie..we need to unearth another three..we have to develop an All Star midfielder..Defensively we're not too bad but it's going forward that'll pinch you another couple of All Irelands 8n the next 6 years. Ruairi Murphy, Killian Burke and Dylan Geaney. Relax
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 31, 2023 0:19:15 GMT
The goal was a gift though CiarraiMick- so only 0-09 . Just shows how valuable a free taker is.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 31, 2023 6:04:31 GMT
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Post by glengael on Jan 31, 2023 10:32:57 GMT
Watching on TV, is seemed to me that Kerry lost the initiative coming up to half time and never really recovered it. They were coming from behind during the second half and never looked like pushing on and winning. Some very poor wides later in the 2nd half. I was surprised that Shane Murphy didn't play that late free a bit short to someone in a better position, as a score was vital at that stage. He's an experienced player and it was a tricky angle. Lots to learn for all involved.
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Post by Jo90 on Jan 31, 2023 10:53:58 GMT
Watching on TV, is seemed to me that Kerry lost the initiative coming up to half time and never really recovered it. They were coming from behind during the second half and never looked like pushing on and winning. Some very poor wides later in the 2nd half. I was surprised that Shane Murphy didn't play that late free a bit short to someone in a better position, as a score was vital at that stage. He's an experienced player and it was a tricky angle. Lots to learn for all involved. Reminds me of a major bugbear I have watching Gaelic Football - when a team have a free/45/sideline and need a goal, watching teams just launch it into the square is so dumb with the old square ball rule in operation, best to play it short and then kick it in, as the new square ball rule is then in operation and that makes it much more likely to score a goal. Kudos to Glen with their innovative 45 at the end of the A-I Club Final. If they had just booted it in directly they'd have been called for square ball and their case for a replay might be weaker. Shane Murphy's free was an opportunity for innovation alright. Nobody expects a goalie to play it short. Although best to keep something very innovative for a critical moment in Championship.
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Post by pillar on Feb 19, 2023 9:59:43 GMT
We have three forwards for the next 6 years..the 2 Clifford's and Seanie..we need to unearth another three..we have to develop an All Star midfielder..Defensively we're not too bad but it's going forward that'll pinch you another couple of All Irelands 8n the next 6 years. Ruairi Murphy, Killian Burke and Dylan Geaney. Relax All have a lot to do in the physical stakes to get upto required level
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