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Post by mike70 on Oct 30, 2022 22:28:26 GMT
Now that the main ‘shop window’ has closed who should Jack be bringing into the panel for 2023? In my opinion Ronan Buckley, Barry Mahony and Ruairi Murphy should be brought in on the back of their outstanding county championships. While you couldn’t say Eddie Horan put his hand up in the county championship I think he should be brought in based on his performances for the Kerry u20s in 19 and 20 and St Kierans in previous years. Due to our need for extra midfield options after Joe O’Connor’s unfortunate injury I would be bringing in Liam Kearney and Mark O’Shea. I don’t see any back out there who could break into the playing group due to the amount of quality backs we have but if Jack is looking for extended panellists Damien Bourke, David Mangan, James McCarthy and Sean O’Brien are the players I’d be looking at. Can’t see any of the guys you mentioning making the championship 26 next year. Mark o Shea definitely one for the future along with Ruairi murphy, others to the 20’s if under age, beyond that saw nothing from the 2022 championship. Big step up I am afraid. |
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Post by hatchetman on Oct 31, 2022 11:47:50 GMT
I guess it's not just about making the 26 next year. It's giving them access to the best coaching and S&C programmes so that they might make the 26 or 15 a year or two down the line.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 31, 2022 12:23:48 GMT
Now that the main ‘shop window’ has closed who should Jack be bringing into the panel for 2023? In my opinion Ronan Buckley, Barry Mahony and Ruairi Murphy should be brought in on the back of their outstanding county championships. While you couldn’t say Eddie Horan put his hand up in the county championship I think he should be brought in based on his performances for the Kerry u20s in 19 and 20 and St Kierans in previous years. Due to our need for extra midfield options after Joe O’Connor’s unfortunate injury I would be bringing in Liam Kearney and Mark O’Shea. I don’t see any back out there who could break into the playing group due to the amount of quality backs we have but if Jack is looking for extended panellists Damien Bourke, David Mangan, James McCarthy and Sean O’Brien are the players I’d be looking at. Can’t see any of the guys you mentioning making the championship 26 next year. Mark o Shea definitely one for the future along with Ruairi murphy, others to the 20’s if under age, beyond that saw nothing from the 2022 championship. Big step up I am afraid. You need fresh blood in a team every year, just look at Dublin during the 6 in a row, give some of these players a chance in the league and see how they fare. If we go into the championship next year with the exact same set of players it won’t be ideal. I’ve been very impressed with Ronan Buckley this championship and he has inter county experience so maybe he will come into the reckoning. Likewise Barry Mahony is a good age (23) so he might impress in the McGrath cup and league. Eddie Horan could offer a physical inside option. I wouldn’t be so quick just to say what we have already is better and write off every new player. |
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 31, 2022 14:44:41 GMT
I guess it's not just about making the 26 next year. It's giving them access to the best coaching and S&C programmes so that they might make the 26 or 15 a year or two down the line. Still beggars belief that Kerry GAA rolled over and let the Junior All-Ireland be changed into a Kilkenny, New York and two British counties run off in a weekend competition given how many players who went on to be involved with the seniors after featuring with the juniors, especially considering the change of U21 to U20 (and Croke Park's push to U19). Absolute madness in my opinion. Also I would expect the size of the panel to increase next year given the route to winning an All-Ireland will involve at a minimum 3 extra games and potentially 4. These games will basically occur during the same time frame as the championship this year. I would say 3 goalkeepers is an absolute minimun and personally for cover as well as long-term developement/competition I would be leaning towards 4. Galway had a panel of 40 this year while Dublin named 44 different players to game day squads between the league and championship and possibly had more than that involved while Cork actually named a panel of 52 at one stage. |
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Post by mike70 on Oct 31, 2022 15:41:20 GMT
Can’t see any of the guys you mentioning making the championship 26 next year. Mark o Shea definitely one for the future along with Ruairi murphy, others to the 20’s if under age, beyond that saw nothing from the 2022 championship. Big step up I am afraid. You need fresh blood in a team every year, just look at Dublin during the 6 in a row, give some of these players a chance in the league and see how they fare. If we go into the championship next year with the exact same set of players it won’t be ideal. I’ve been very impressed with Ronan Buckley this championship and he has inter county experience so maybe he will come into the reckoning. Likewise Barry Mahony is a good age (23) so he might impress in the McGrath cup and league. Eddie Horan could offer a physical inside option. I wouldn’t be so quick just to say what we have already is better and write off every new player. All in favour giving guys a run, but I think there are probably a few guys in the 20 set up that might be better options than some of the guys you identified, cillian Burke, dennehy the young lad from Brendan’s at midfield, they might come in after 20 campaign, give them some experience, but I don’t see them involved. By all means use McGrath cup as trial match’s for some of the guys you mentioned, if showing well, a league run for sure. |
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Post by The16thMan on Nov 2, 2022 22:59:31 GMT
Munster SFC 2023 draw QUARTER-FINALS Tipperary v Waterford Cork v Clare SEMI-FINALS Limerick v Cork/Clare Tipperary/Waterford v Kerry You'd assume it to be a Kerry v Tipp semi final, which would be played in Killarney. A munster final would be in Killarney if we play Cork but there's no guarantee that will happen given the 3 teams are pretty well matched on that side of the draw |
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Post by homerj on Nov 3, 2022 13:56:09 GMT
from the team of the championship, these are the ones that werent on the panel last year.
Sean Coffee (keeper)
Chris O Donoghue.
Pa Kilkenny
Dan O Brien
Barry O Sullivan
Ronan Buckley
Barry O Mahony
Keith Evans
Martin Stack
interesting the 2 of the lads supposed to be ready to step up, R Murphy and Monahan, didnt get into the team.
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Post by mike70 on Nov 3, 2022 17:09:00 GMT
from the team of the championship, these are the ones that werent on the panel last year. Sean Coffee (keeper) Chris O Donoghue. Pa Kilkenny Dan O Brien Barry O Sullivan Ronan Buckley Barry O Mahony Keith Evans Martin Stack interesting the 2 of the lads supposed to be ready to step up, R Murphy and Monahan, didnt get into the team. You be expecting murphy and Monaghan to be with the 20 for this year. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 3, 2022 17:22:01 GMT
from the team of the championship, these are the ones that werent on the panel last year. Sean Coffee (keeper) Chris O Donoghue. Pa Kilkenny Dan O Brien Barry O Sullivan Ronan Buckley Barry O Mahony Keith Evans Martin Stack interesting the 2 of the lads supposed to be ready to step up, R Murphy and Monahan, didnt get into the team. You be expecting murphy and Monaghan to be with the 20 for this year. Murphy is overage for the 20s. |
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Post by mike70 on Nov 6, 2022 20:23:29 GMT
You be expecting murphy and Monaghan to be with the 20 for this year. Murphy is overage for the 20s. Well that sorts that out, I did not realise that. |
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Post by conorpass on Nov 7, 2022 7:51:29 GMT
Murphy is overage for the 20s. Well that sorts that out, I did not realise that. Collective training back on Nov 28th so will become clear soon enough who has been called in. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 8, 2022 10:42:58 GMT
Looking at 2023 I see Tyrone's Conor McKenna is heading back town South to Oz.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 9, 2022 20:45:55 GMT
Looking at 2023 I see Tyrone's Conor McKenna is heading back town South to Oz. Tyrone folk are half ways between modesty and cute hoorism like ourselves - rumour, and only that, of Dooher and Logan at odds. There was a bust up last year over laddos getting deals and that seems to have had a domino effect - some will now say 'it wouldn't happen in one Mickey's time.' Still they won Sam only last year so as is often said, 'they haven't gone away', though in fairness a few obviously have. Things very much up in the air with Donegal - what with a surprise management duo in place and then Murphy's input; unspoken word that it is a transition year though that's more observation than informed. Not a word from Armagh and Derry and which is deafening really so watch this space - these bucks feel there is unfinished business so there will be plenty of skin and hair in Ulster in '23. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 9, 2022 22:51:53 GMT
Defending the McGrath Cup has been confirmed. Good move.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 9, 2022 23:15:14 GMT
Defending the McGrath Cup has been confirmed. Good move. It made no sense the year we didn’t enter it, it’s a no brainer for me. I hope we see all the players at the latter end of the selected extended panel playing, no point in putting out players who we know what they can do. You’ll learn nothing from playing established players against for example a half strength Limerick team. It’s a great opportunity to see the players pushing to be given a chance in the league all playing together. |
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Post by thehermit on Nov 10, 2022 8:04:03 GMT
Defending the McGrath Cup has been confirmed. Good move. Looking forward to a cold post-Christmas night on the terrace in ASP already 🤪 |
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Post by tonydorigo on Nov 10, 2022 12:14:03 GMT
Defending the McGrath Cup has been confirmed. Good move. Brilliant and a great chance to give new blood a chance. Might not be able to experiment too much during the league. Be great to see some of the fringe players get a run and look at backup options. O'Donoghue and Casey in defence would be a good start. Hopefully get games into Mike Breen and Okunbar as well and see if Okunbar can be a midfield option come championship. Would really like to see another inside forward emerge. Donal O'Sullivan should get some game time injury permitting but we could do with another option in there. Any think there will be any outliers who might be a run out and possibly make the league panel? |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Nov 10, 2022 12:21:45 GMT
Other than perhaps the dozen or so guaranteed starters/more experienced players and it may not be this much, I think there will plenty of lads looking to impress management. Possession of the jersey is often half the battle so if you come in and do a good job, the imperative will be on someone else to take the jersey of you.
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Post by dc84 on Nov 10, 2022 19:08:27 GMT
Tyrone are a funny one you would expect them to bounce back this year but no guarantee have they lost 8 or 9 of the all ireland winning squad now doesnt strike me as a happy camp.
Hope we play a more experimental team in the mcgrath cup than we did last year (understandably) as others have said mike breen and okunbar Will be like 2 new players this year hopefully both have great potential. Any other lads impress in county champ for those who went to games ? Dara roche and daragh lyne were 2 that looked decent in the tv game ( live in dublin so dont get to see live games?)
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 10, 2022 19:36:02 GMT
Tyrone are a funny one you would expect them to bounce back this year but no guarantee have they lost 8 or 9 of the all ireland winning squad now doesnt strike me as a happy camp. Hope we play a more experimental team in the mcgrath cup than we did last year (understandably) as others have said mike breen and okunbar Will be like 2 new players this year hopefully both have great potential. Any other lads impress in county champ for those who went to games ? Dara roche and daragh lyne were 2 that looked decent in the tv game ( live in dublin so dont get to see live games?) A lot of posters have mentioned Ruairi Murphy & Darragh Lyne & both are well worth a further look; Roibeard O’Sé looked good at times & might be worth consider for McGrath Cup. On the defensive side both James McCarthy ( Kenmare) & Conor Flannery ( Dingle) were impressive; EK are the benchmark & neither were found wanting in their encounters with EK. McCarthy is fast & athletic & did little wrong @ centre back - equally had a fine game vs Stacks in the relegation play off. Flannery is on the small side but makes up for it with his pace & reading of the game - both Keith Evans & Kieran Dennehy will have the U-20s so will be interesting to see how they perform. Finally, anytime I saw Brian Crowley, Templenoe he was good - had a great club final vs KO’R - has pace, strength & experience. |
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Post by red on Nov 10, 2022 21:32:35 GMT
Tyrone are a funny one you would expect them to bounce back this year but no guarantee have they lost 8 or 9 of the all ireland winning squad now doesnt strike me as a happy camp. Hope we play a more experimental team in the mcgrath cup than we did last year (understandably) as others have said mike breen and okunbar Will be like 2 new players this year hopefully both have great potential. Any other lads impress in county champ for those who went to games ? Dara roche and daragh lyne were 2 that looked decent in the tv game ( live in dublin so dont get to see live games?) A lot of posters have mentioned Ruairi Murphy & Darragh Lyne & both are well worth a further look; Roibeard O’Sé looked good at times & might be worth consider for McGrath Cup. On the defensive side both James McCarthy ( Kenmare) & Conor Flannery ( Dingle) were impressive; EK are the benchmark & neither were found wanting in their encounters with EK. McCarthy is fast & athletic & did little wrong @ centre back - equally had a fine game vs Stacks in the relegation play off. Flannery is on the small side but makes up for it with his pace & reading of the game - both Keith Evans & Kieran Dennehy will have the U-20s so will be interesting to see how they perform. Finally, anytime I saw Brian Crowley, Templenoe he was good - had a great club final vs KO’R - has pace, strength & experience. Liam Kearney, Barry OSullivan and Michael ODonnell have all consistently impressed in midfield this year with all 3 contributing on the scoreboard game on game from midfield something some on the panel at present for midfield don’t do. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 10, 2022 21:33:43 GMT
I would hope to see Ronan Buckley, Barry Mahony, Ruairi Murphy and Eddie Horan starting in the McGrath Cup, I think all have the potential ability to make an impact for us this year. It would be a great opportunity for Dylan Casey, Dan O’Donoghue and Mike Breen to put on the jersey again after their injury problems. Great chance too to see what level Okunbor is at. I’d like to see something like
1. Shane Murphy
2. Dan O’Donoghue
3. Dylan Casey
4. Jack O’Shea
5. Cian Gammell
6. Mike Breen
7. Sean O’Brien
8. Stefan Okunbor
9. Liam Kearney
10. Ronan Buckley
11. Barry Mahony
12. Ruairi Murphy
13. Donal O’Sullivan
14. Eddie Horan
15. Dara Roche
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 10, 2022 23:05:07 GMT
I would hope to see Ronan Buckley, Barry Mahony, Ruairi Murphy and Eddie Horan starting in the McGrath Cup, I think all have the potential ability to make an impact for us this year. It would be a great opportunity for Dylan Casey, Dan O’Donoghue and Mike Breen to put on the jersey again after their injury problems. Great chance too to see what level Okunbor is at. I’d like to see something like 1. Shane Murphy 2. Dan O’Donoghue 3. Dylan Casey 4. Jack O’Shea 5. Cian Gammell 6. Mike Breen 7. Sean O’Brien 8. Stefan Okunbor 9. Liam Kearney 10. Ronan Buckley 11. Barry O'Mahoney 12. Ruairi Murphy 13. Donal O’Sullivan 14. Eddie Horan 15. Dara Roche Physically imposing half forward line with three natural mid fielders, they are not massive scorers, I think Shane Murphy has had his chance, personally I'd be looking more at the Mid Kerry keeper, his name fails me tonight or young Kelliher from Glenflesk, actually staying in the same club, is Daniel O'Brien worth a look. Midfield is where cover is most required, Moran prob gone and Joe out for the year, Kearney has always impressed me as has Barry Dan, although I think pace may catch the Dingle man, Castleisland's big midfielder I don't know is it Adam O'Donoghue or Donoghue has always caught my eye, I'll see more of him again on Sunday in Newtown. |
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Post by veteran on Nov 11, 2022 12:30:18 GMT
Horsebox, it is Adam Donoghue you and I have been plugging for a while. Haven’t seen him for a while. I presume he will be in Moyvane on Sunday.
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 11, 2022 15:18:04 GMT
Apologie, yes the big Mid fielder. He always looks to have so much time on the ball - a great trait or commodity for a player.
Hope to see if he has progressed any further than when I saw him last year. He was hampered by injury in the NK Final replay didn't start but did appear after the short whistle.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 11, 2022 20:30:18 GMT
I would hope to see Ronan Buckley, Barry Mahony, Ruairi Murphy and Eddie Horan starting in the McGrath Cup, I think all have the potential ability to make an impact for us this year. It would be a great opportunity for Dylan Casey, Dan O’Donoghue and Mike Breen to put on the jersey again after their injury problems. Great chance too to see what level Okunbor is at. I’d like to see something like 1. Shane Murphy 2. Dan O’Donoghue 3. Dylan Casey 4. Jack O’Shea 5. Cian Gammell 6. Mike Breen 7. Sean O’Brien 8. Stefan Okunbor 9. Liam Kearney 10. Ronan Buckley 11. Barry O'Mahoney 12. Ruairi Murphy 13. Donal O’Sullivan 14. Eddie Horan 15. Dara Roche Physically imposing half forward line with three natural mid fielders, they are not massive scorers, I think Shane Murphy has had his chance, personally I'd be looking more at the Mid Kerry keeper, his name fails me tonight or young Kelliher from Glenflesk, actually staying in the same club, is Daniel O'Brien worth a look. Midfield is where cover is most required, Moran prob gone and Joe out for the year, Kearney has always impressed me as has Barry Dan, although I think pace may catch the Dingle man, Castleisland's big midfielder I don't know is it Adam O'Donoghue or Donoghue has always caught my eye, I'll see more of him again on Sunday in Newtown. I see where you’re coming from on the half forward line but I think all are capable of kicking 2 or 3 points. Murphy and Mahony aren’t midfielders at inter county level anyway. I think that’s a very good half forward line for a McGrath Cup game, for league or championship you’d want a Seanie or a Paudie in there but these are the half forward options I’d want a look at anyway, there isn’t any out and out half forward really putting their hand up I don’t think. I agree Adam Donoghue is worth consideration similar to Mark O’Shea Crokes. |
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Post by mike70 on Nov 12, 2022 0:13:52 GMT
Physically imposing half forward line with three natural mid fielders, they are not massive scorers, I think Shane Murphy has had his chance, personally I'd be looking more at the Mid Kerry keeper, his name fails me tonight or young Kelliher from Glenflesk, actually staying in the same club, is Daniel O'Brien worth a look. Midfield is where cover is most required, Moran prob gone and Joe out for the year, Kearney has always impressed me as has Barry Dan, although I think pace may catch the Dingle man, Castleisland's big midfielder I don't know is it Adam O'Donoghue or Donoghue has always caught my eye, I'll see more of him again on Sunday in Newtown. I see where you’re coming from on the half forward line but I think all are capable of kicking 2 or 3 points. Murphy and Mahony aren’t midfielders at inter county level anyway. I think that’s a very good half forward line for a McGrath Cup game, for league or championship you’d want a Seanie or a Paudie in there but these are the half forward options I’d want a look at anyway, there isn’t any out and out half forward really putting their hand up I don’t think. I agree Adam Donoghue is worth consideration similar to Mark O’Shea Crokes. It will be great to try out some guys during the McGrath cup, bring on the guys that succeed to the league, but in all honesty don’t see too many progressing to championship for the year ahead, maybe too young or not inter county quality, the demands today to make it at the top level are huge, but let’s hope we unearth some talent, but no Seanie or DC coming thru. |
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Post by homerj on Nov 12, 2022 8:42:23 GMT
I see where you’re coming from on the half forward line but I think all are capable of kicking 2 or 3 points. Murphy and Mahony aren’t midfielders at inter county level anyway. I think that’s a very good half forward line for a McGrath Cup game, for league or championship you’d want a Seanie or a Paudie in there but these are the half forward options I’d want a look at anyway, there isn’t any out and out half forward really putting their hand up I don’t think. I agree Adam Donoghue is worth consideration similar to Mark O’Shea Crokes. It will be great to try out some guys during the McGrath cup, bring on the guys that succeed to the league, but in all honesty don’t see too many progressing to championship for the year ahead, maybe too young or not inter county quality, the demands today to make it at the top level are huge, but let’s hope we unearth some talent, but no Seanie or DC coming thru. We don't need super star talents like seanie and dc, hopefully there's an injury free decade ahead for them. What we do need is 1 or 2 decent young players to break through every year and supplement lads leaving. That is how our success came in the 00s...lads like Galvin,Mahoney etc coming in |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 12, 2022 9:49:03 GMT
It will be great to try out some guys during the McGrath cup, bring on the guys that succeed to the league, but in all honesty don’t see too many progressing to championship for the year ahead, maybe too young or not inter county quality, the demands today to make it at the top level are huge, but let’s hope we unearth some talent, but no Seanie or DC coming thru. We don't need super star talents like seanie and dc, hopefully there's an injury free decade ahead for them. What we do need is 1 or 2 decent young players to break through every year and supplement lads leaving. That is how our success came in the 00s...lads like Galvin,Mahoney etc coming in Decent is underselling the two lads mentioned. |
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Post by homerj on Nov 12, 2022 22:45:48 GMT
We don't need super star talents like seanie and dc, hopefully there's an injury free decade ahead for them. What we do need is 1 or 2 decent young players to break through every year and supplement lads leaving. That is how our success came in the 00s...lads like Galvin,Mahoney etc coming in Decent is underselling the two lads mentioned. true but they needed time and developed late. i guess you could say they became superstars, through hard work more so than being superstars at minor level, if you get what i mean! |
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