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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 23, 2023 1:40:05 GMT
I’m hearing that the 16 men were on the field for 4 minutes
Can anyone verify if so that s outrageous
Regard 17 players I’d not count that as one was e route to dugout and nor involved in play from what I understand
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Post by thehermit on Jan 23, 2023 10:45:30 GMT
4 mins? Ah come on if that's true and even if Glen don't want to go down the route of appealing Croke Park itself should have to step in and protect the integrity of the occasion.
In rugby's Challenge Cup last week Bristol RFC was deducted points (rightly) from their overall standing in the group because they fielded an ineligible player in a game.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 23, 2023 11:04:11 GMT
The key point is this,
There was 16 men defending the Glen's last attack.
Regardless of who is at fault the GAA cannot allow that precedent.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 23, 2023 14:50:47 GMT
If there were 16 Glen Players also on the pitch and if they got a late goal would Kilmacud object and look for replay ??
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jan 23, 2023 15:00:22 GMT
What a mess. This will come down to how much the Glen push it. A replay is there for them if they want it.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 23, 2023 16:00:16 GMT
My instinct, often wrong, is that they will accept the result.
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Post by homerj on Jan 23, 2023 16:39:49 GMT
My instinct, often wrong, is that they will accept the result. agreed. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 23, 2023 17:50:39 GMT
My instinct, often wrong, is that they will accept the result. Ya, going by Malachy O'Rourke's interview, if say they'll accept the result. Being honest I think games and results have no place in a board room. Not good enough by the paid official and i mean the fourth official not the referee. |
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Post by peanuts on Jan 23, 2023 18:05:20 GMT
It looked to me at the time that the ref knew what had happened (after the 45 was taken). The commentators on TG4 certainly did. If I remember correctly I think the ref went in to talk to the umpire and the commentators were speculating as to whether he was going to have the 45 retaken. Instead he blew it up as quickly as he could.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 23, 2023 18:30:31 GMT
My instinct, often wrong, is that they will accept the result. Ya, going by Malachy O'Rourke's interview, if say they'll accept the result. Being honest I think games and results have no place in a board room. Not good enough by the paid official and i mean the fourth official not the referee. The GAA knowing that a team has broken the rules and just accepting it sets a dangerous precedent. Is rule breaking fine going forward? There’s no jeopardy? |
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Post by thehermit on Jan 23, 2023 18:51:55 GMT
What a mess. This will come down to how much the Glen push it. A replay is there for them if they want it. It shouldn't have to come to that, what's the point of having a overseeing administrative organisation if they don't make these calls. |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jan 23, 2023 20:39:01 GMT
I can see Kilmacud refusing to play any replay if it comes to that.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 23, 2023 21:04:32 GMT
I can see Kilmacud refusing to play any replay if it comes to that. I doubt it, the rulebook allows for the game to be awarded to Glen so it would be stupid of kilmaccud to dig in when faced with irrefutable evidence of rule breaking. |
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Post by eternalhope on Jan 23, 2023 21:30:31 GMT
Fantastic leadership from the GAA here - yet again, they wash their hands of decision-making responsibility and place the onus on the injured party to make a call. Farcical.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 23, 2023 21:47:46 GMT
Would it be too much to hope for to get a candidate for the next Association presidency who makes a commitment to a route and branch reform all these idiotic and farcical rules/procedures etc a central plank of his campaign?
You know someone who might just be willing to make sure that into the future in situations where there is a a clear breach of the playing rules games have to be repaid. Or that if a player assaults another on the pitch its a mandatory ban or that players getting red and black cards have to suck it up and not have their clubs/county boards using lawyers to get them of on some technicality.
There's a lot of very well paid people in various roles in Croke Park to sort this stuff out once and for all.
Is there any other sport in this country where there are so many flaws and loopholes in the rules?
Something happening once should be more than enough to ensure that eventuality never happens again. Its come to light there are plenty of precedents for this situation to be resolved if GAA HQ HAD the resolve.
Croke Park is a house badly in need of reorder!!
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jan 23, 2023 22:03:58 GMT
My instinct, often wrong, is that they will accept the result. Ya, going by Malachy O'Rourke's interview, if say they'll accept the result. Being honest I think games and results have no place in a board room. Not good enough by the paid official and i mean the fourth official not the referee. Not now according to what’s doing the rounds on WhatsApp in the last hour. The Glen are lodging a formal objection to Croke Park tomorrow, This will drag out now, some mess but the GAA buried their heads in the sand today when they knew an official rule had been breached. A very tricky situation for them as they can’t be seen to let this breaking of a subs rule set a precedent going forward. I’d say the Crokes Monday Club is a bit of a downer all of sudden. |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jan 23, 2023 22:07:39 GMT
I can see Kilmacud refusing to play any replay if it comes to that. I doubt it, the rulebook allows for the game to be awarded to Glen so it would be stupid of kilmaccud to dig in when faced with irrefutable evidence of rule breaking. Of course, it would be stupid but I could see them make that threat to see if their bluff is called. |
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Post by mike70 on Jan 23, 2023 22:36:45 GMT
Word on the street is Conor Glass has been very sick during the last week. He was quiet yesterday. He is a top player. If the fame was to be replayed then Glass would be better plus I would think the game would Not be played in croke park thus maybe giving the advantage back to the Glen. However the ball is in their court now as the gaa have the head in the sand. I was very disappointed in Glass performance yesterday, I was expecting more, you have just revealed the reason. |
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Post by mitchelsontour on Jan 23, 2023 22:43:08 GMT
Would it be too much to hope for to get a candidate for the next Association presidency who makes a commitment to a route and branch reform all these idiotic and farcical rules/procedures etc a central plank of his campaign? You know someone who might just be willing to make sure that into the future in situations where there is a a clear breach of the playing rules games have to be repaid. Or that if a player assaults another on the pitch its a mandatory ban or that players getting red and black cards have to suck it up and not have their clubs/county boards using lawyers to get them of on some technicality. There's a lot of very well paid people in various roles in Croke Park to sort this stuff out once and for all. Is there any other sport in this country where there are so many flaws and loopholes in the rules? Something happening once should be more than enough to ensure that eventuality never happens again. Its come to light there are plenty of precedents for this situation to be resolved if GAA HQ HAD the resolve. Croke Park is a house badly in need of reorder!! I was hoping that when the current incumbent was elected he might have brought a broader mindset to the job given his profession. However it seems that he is just another one of the suits who go along with the group think that is Croke Park. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 23, 2023 23:25:59 GMT
I doubt it, the rulebook allows for the game to be awarded to Glen so it would be stupid of kilmaccud to dig in when faced with irrefutable evidence of rule breaking. Of course, it would be stupid but I could see them make that threat to see if their bluff is called. Your bluff doesn’t mean sh*t if you have clearly broken the playing rules on a live tv game. Ffs what possible argument could they make? They have no hand, they want to forfeit then fine as it’s one of the disciplinary options anyways. It’s genuinely bizarre that we are even having these discussions. The GAA are, along with everyone else, aware that their rules have been broken but they are refusing to take the lead on sorting it. This is like being caught speeding on a speed camera but being able to get away with it because no other driver complained |
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 24, 2023 19:16:49 GMT
What will a replay do? Nothing.
Gallagher wants the Glen boys playing against Limerick on Saturday.
A replay might mess up his plans to make division 1.
A replay means the GAA admitting they got it very wrong.
Forfeiture is not an option either.
A wee fine for Kilmacud will be issued and that's probably all.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 24, 2023 19:22:56 GMT
What will a replay do? Nothing. Gallagher wants the Glen boys playing against Limerick on Saturday. A replay might mess up his plans to make division 1. A replay means the GAA admitting they got it very wrong. Forfeiture is not an option either. A wee fine for Kilmacud will be issued and that's probably all. Well if that's the outcome the GAA might as well throw their rule book in the bin for all the integrity and relevance its contents will have! |
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 24, 2023 20:10:11 GMT
What will a replay do? Nothing. Gallagher wants the Glen boys playing against Limerick on Saturday. A replay might mess up his plans to make division 1. A replay means the GAA admitting they got it very wrong. Forfeiture is not an option either. A wee fine for Kilmacud will be issued and that's probably all. Well if that's the outcome the GAA might as well throw their rule book in the bin for all the integrity and relevance its contents will have! Can you truly see a replay happening or a forfeiture by Kilmnacud? The only other option is a fine and that's how they'll go. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 24, 2023 20:45:28 GMT
Can you truly see a replay happening or a forfeiture by Kilmnacud? The only other option is a fine and that's how they'll go. If a fine is issued its a laugh. A fine for the biggest club in the country. Sure if Kerry are defending a small lead next year bring on 2 subs and tell the other players stay on. Defend with 17 and win and take a fine afterwards. A fine can't be the result or it makes a mockery of the whole thing. It will set a terrible precedent. If it’s a fine then we are fecked as money had become more important than the rule book/integrity of the game. Essentially sets a precedent that you can cheat and buy your way out of it. Which is yet another advantage weighted towards bigger/wealthier teams and counties |
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 24, 2023 22:54:51 GMT
Its a strange one where there will be no winners = GAA made a mess of the substitutions and it was only a matter of time before such an incident happened due to the ill discipline around substitutions. Its particularly unforgivable as this fixture had a fourth official. Players should not enter the field until the person being subbed has exited - if this is implemented then it may be the only good to come of the debacle.
A ref can get calls wrong during the game, can say a goal ball did not fully cross the line, can fail to deal with persistent fouling properly, can play any amount of additional time and so on without any retrospective repercussions but this one case has an open ended rule where the game can be awarded to the offended team, a replay ordered or a fine.
A replay is something neither side really wants I suspect and certainly the GAA don't want it. The out if it can be negotiated and orchestrated is for Kilmacrud and the GAA to offer a replay which acknowledges the error and Glen to say we are happy with the acknowledgment of the error but decline the offer of the replay.
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Post by john4 on Jan 25, 2023 0:11:45 GMT
Very poor leadership from Croke Park in all of this. They are coming out of this in a poor light.
The Gaa hasn't had a strong, decisive President who's fully in tune with what's best for the association since Sean Kelly.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jan 25, 2023 9:54:04 GMT
Its a strange one where there will be no winners = GAA made a mess of the substitutions and it was only a matter of time before such an incident happened due to the ill discipline around substitutions. Its particularly unforgivable as this fixture had a fourth official. Players should not enter the field until the person being subbed has exited - if this is implemented then it may be the only good to come of the debacle. A ref can get calls wrong during the game, can say a goal ball did not fully cross the line, can fail to deal with persistent fouling properly, can play any amount of additional time and so on without any retrospective repercussions but this one case has an open ended rule where the game can be awarded to the offended team, a replay ordered or a fine. A replay is something neither side really wants I suspect and certainly the GAA don't want it. The out if it can be negotiated and orchestrated is for Kilmacrud and the GAA to offer a replay which acknowledges the error and Glen to say we are happy with the acknowledgment of the error but decline the offer of the replay. Instead of putting their head in the sand and abdicating responsibility, what you said in the last paragraph is what the Gaa should have tried orchestrate once the issue was known. This was clearly a tough call for Glen and they were put in a terrible position. |
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 25, 2023 11:22:43 GMT
In my opinion the real mess is that there is still nothing done about the assault on Paudie. Compared to that the entire Glen saga is child's play. Not going after Mr. Coyle for assault sets an even bigger and more damaging precedent.
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Post by Jo90 on Jan 25, 2023 12:13:39 GMT
I wonder are Dr. Crokes regretting not appealing after the 07 club final replay when John Mcantee stayed on the pitch for 11 minutes despite receiving 2 yellow cards.
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Post by Jo90 on Jan 25, 2023 14:34:06 GMT
The Dubs and Kilmacud lads are going ballistic, thinking it's all due to anti-Dub sentiment. Great to see 😀.
If they're good enough to beat them once they're good enough to beat them twice.
With all the millions Kilmacud have, I'm sure they've a legal team working on a counter-appeal that makes OJ Simpson's legal team seem like Lionel Hutz.
If Kilmacud think having an extra player or two is no big deal, this year my club is entering a 9-a-side team for the Kilmacud 7s.
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