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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 28, 2022 22:30:36 GMT
We know that extra time is a 'new game'. One of those quirks in the GAA rules. So i suppose you could say that the 'normal time' game is an old game duly completed. Ceist agam ort. Can a ref give a red card to a player in a game that is finished? That seems to be what happened last sunday as each side had 15 in extra time. We were discussing that very point during the break before extra time. I was fully expecting Coldrick to brandish a pile of red cards at the resumption but it was only really going to be symbolic. Sending off the two token fall guys was a bit of a shambles |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 28, 2022 22:31:23 GMT
We know that extra time is a 'new game'. One of those quirks in the GAA rules. So i suppose you could say that the 'normal time' game is an old game duly completed. Ceist agam ort. Can a ref give a red card to a player in a game that is finished? That seems to be what happened last sunday as each side had 15 in extra time. As pedantic as it sounds, the ‘new game’ doesn’t start until the referee throws in the ball for extra time, to signal the commencement of the new game. |
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Post by Moderator on Jun 28, 2022 22:44:31 GMT
New game, 15 on 15, but the 15 must be from the original 26 for the game that is now over.
Anyone red-carded during or after normal time cannot play in extra time, but can be replaced.
Black cards carry over into extra-time, in that the player serving part of the 10-minute sin bin at the end of normal time must be one of the 15 named for extra time and must serve the remainder of the 10-minutes in the sin bin.
Yellow cards don't carry over into extra time.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 28, 2022 22:46:10 GMT
We know that extra time is a 'new game'. One of those quirks in the GAA rules. So i suppose you could say that the 'normal time' game is an old game duly completed. Ceist agam ort. Can a ref give a red card to a player in a game that is finished? That seems to be what happened last sunday as each side had 15 in extra time. We were discussing that very point during the break before extra time. I was fully expecting Coldrick to brandish a pile of red cards at the resumption but it was only really going to be symbolic. Sending off the two token fall guys was a bit of a shambles The resulting suspensions (lol) meant such red cards wouldn't be symbolic. |
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Post by john4 on Jun 29, 2022 0:00:04 GMT
Early indications of a ridge of high pressure settling over Ireland middle of next week, should be a fine hot sunny day for this one. Possibility of up to 25°C.
If this plays out I'd say it'd work to our advantage.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 29, 2022 8:07:15 GMT
Re tickets does anybody know if Ticketmaster are likely to release more tickets? The ones online are very poor altogether. Would I be better off going in to SuperValu
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 29, 2022 8:11:46 GMT
We know that extra time is a 'new game'. One of those quirks in the GAA rules. So i suppose you could say that the 'normal time' game is an old game duly completed. Ceist agam ort. Can a ref give a red card to a player in a game that is finished? That seems to be what happened last sunday as each side had 15 in extra time. I know it’s often discussed but I still don’t get the ‘new game’ rule. If we are in the 4th min of injury time against Dublin and it’s level then what’s the stop someone coming over and clocking Clifford off the ball? Straight red but sure the game is over and he can then be replaced. To be honest it’s an idiotic and bizarre rule |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 29, 2022 8:13:02 GMT
Re tickets does anybody know if Ticketmaster are likely to release more tickets? The ones online are very poor altogether. Would I be better off going in to SuperValu I’d imagine that the best of the rest is with the clubs. Chance SuperValu today but if not then I’d recommend buying 2 bill tickets and seeing can you trade up with a Dub |
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Post by peanuts on Jun 29, 2022 8:14:49 GMT
New game, 15 on 15, but the 15 must be from the original 26 for the game that is now over. Anyone red-carded during or after normal time cannot play in extra time, but can be replaced. Black cards carry over into extra-time, in that the player serving part of the 10-minute sin bin at the end of normal time must be one of the 15 named for extra time and must serve the remainder of the 10-minutes in the sin bin. Yellow cards don't carry over into extra time. Is that a recent change? Yellow cards used to carry over which was unfair as a team could replace a player sent off in ordinary time but couldn't replace a player who gat a second yellow a minute into extra time. |
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Post by peanuts on Jun 29, 2022 8:15:51 GMT
Re tickets does anybody know if Ticketmaster are likely to release more tickets? The ones online are very poor altogether. Would I be better off going in to SuperValu I’d imagine that the best of the rest is with the clubs. Chance SuperValu today but if not then I’d recommend buying 2 bill tickets and seeing can you trade up with a Dub No tickets through clubs |
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 29, 2022 8:17:39 GMT
Re tickets does anybody know if Ticketmaster are likely to release more tickets? The ones online are very poor altogether. Would I be better off going in to SuperValu I’d imagine that the best of the rest is with the clubs. Chance SuperValu today but if not then I’d recommend buying 2 bill tickets and seeing can you trade up with a Dub Thanks. There is supposedly no club allocation I thought? I have been watching Ticketmaster since they went on sale and the selection available has been an abomination. One of my kids will not go up in the upper tiers which is all that is available now bar the Nally & Hill |
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Post by dc84 on Jun 29, 2022 8:25:17 GMT
Both teams will have to improve big time you would think for this dublin werent great on saturday either.
By all accounts they struggled with hurley and sherlock and cork missed a lot ie they got a lot of scoring chances.
I know they won handy in the end but still.
Id expect more from our half forward line the next day hopefully adrian is fit we will need his combative nature for this one.
Be interesting to see if dublin mirror us as they have been with howard playing the morley role or if they go with 6 forwards if they do its hard to see morley sweeping as kilkenny is there best player this year and morley is our best match for him.
Will moran start the game the last day was suited to him very slow pace due to weather the next day will be 100mph from first minute
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 29, 2022 8:30:41 GMT
Both teams will have to improve big time you would think for this dublin werent great on saturday either. By all accounts they struggled with hurley and sherlock and cork missed a lot ie they got a lot of scoring chances. I know they won handy in the end but still. Id expect more from our half forward line the next day hopefully adrian is fit we will need his combative nature for this one. Be interesting to see if dublin mirror us as they have been with howard playing the morley role or if they go with 6 forwards if they do its hard to see morley sweeping as kilkenny is there best player this year and morley is our best match for him. Will moran start the game the last day was suited to him very slow pace due to weather the next day will be 100mph from first minute You made a good point in another post that Mayo's defenders may be better than Dublins. I hope thats the way it pans out. Adrian had played a game since the PUR game v Cork and we know he has been injured. Its a big ask to expect him to give a big performance the next day but he is a great man for the trench warfare so hopefully he will if he is fit. |
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 29, 2022 9:24:15 GMT
With regard to cards - I believe the reason its deemed to be a new game is that in the past a replay would take place some days/weeks later and what is happening in effect is the gap is removed and a condensed replay takes place immediately. They have been tweaking the rules as the black card did carry over at one stage but yellow did not (I think) - others may be able to correct me on this.
Yes this brings some anomalies the first being the possibility of a someone taking a red for the team to nail an influential player on the opposing team and another is a player sent off during the game has no time to launch an appeal before extra time and still has a ban to serve in a subsequent game. Probably impossible to avoid some anomalies.
The penalties scenario brings an additional set of issues as penalty taking is not a core skill of GAA - maybe some form of count back to number of goals or scores from play or other metric that comes from the game (cards/frees etc) or perhaps some form of sudden death after each team have had one possession in a further period of extra time - no simple solution is for sure and unless we want to re-introduce replays with the knock on effect on the schedule some way of separating teams on the day is required.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 29, 2022 9:29:36 GMT
I would argue next score wins is a simple solution.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 29, 2022 9:50:40 GMT
I would argue next score wins is a simple solution. I would tweak that to 'the first team to lead by two points or more '. Some fun that would be. |
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 29, 2022 10:00:00 GMT
I would argue next score wins is a simple solution. How about if one team has a gale force wind behind them? |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 29, 2022 10:06:53 GMT
I would argue next score wins is a simple solution. How about if one team has a gale force wind behind them? Toss for end. |
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 29, 2022 10:12:40 GMT
How about if one team has a gale force wind behind them? Toss for end. A very strong wind can make it an 75:25 advantage to the team with the wind. It means the toss of a coin can make a huge difference in deciding the winner. |
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Post by ciarrai74 on Jun 29, 2022 10:16:54 GMT
The choice of referee for this game will be crucial - with Gough, Coldrick, Hurson & McNally having got the 1/4 finals , GAA usually go for someone outside of this quartet for the semis - that leaves the likes of Conor Lane, Deegan, McQuillan etc available; others in the mix would be Neilan, Cassidy & Derek O’Mahony - this is Deegan’s last year at inter county so sentimentality would see him referee the final. It’s a big call for the GAA. Agree, this will need a strong referee, I take it Kerry would object to Dublin Joe getting the gig, Conor Lane is very unassuming and gets the job done, I have always praised Gough but I though he left a lot of pushing on the ball by Mayo go last Sunday, although the weather may have had an effect here. I've a feeling Cassidy will get the gig, although I could never fault Neilan. Apparently Cassidy or Lane will get semi final with Gough getting final. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 29, 2022 10:17:14 GMT
A very strong wind can make it an 75:25 advantage to the team with the wind. It means the toss of a coin can make a huge difference in deciding the winner. And a penalty shootout isn't a coin toss (although as I say that I called three out of three shootouts this year)? |
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Post by fitz on Jun 29, 2022 10:41:49 GMT
We know that extra time is a 'new game'. One of those quirks in the GAA rules. So i suppose you could say that the 'normal time' game is an old game duly completed. Ceist agam ort. Can a ref give a red card to a player in a game that is finished? That seems to be what happened last sunday as each side had 15 in extra time. I know it’s often discussed but I still don’t get the ‘new game’ rule. If we are in the 4th min of injury time against Dublin and it’s level then what’s the stop someone coming over and clocking Clifford off the ball? Straight red but sure the game is over and he can then be replaced. To be honest it’s an idiotic and bizarre rule Agree, equivalent of Pontius Pilate soaking the hands at full of normal time. Inane. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 29, 2022 10:47:57 GMT
I hope they use the Canal End for the penalties between Kerry and Dublin!!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 29, 2022 11:25:48 GMT
I hope they use the Canal End for the penalties between Kerry and Dublin!! Ah Mick I'm sure if Kerry and Dublin went to penalties it would be at canal end. Sure it would give Dubs a big advantage if it was hill 16. I'd say most penalty shootouts will be in canal where supporters are mixed. Hope there are no more penalty shootouts though. Good luck trying to find the actual rules. Something unofficial suggested that the referee chooses which end. But it could just as easily be a flip of a coin... I can't find the official rules. |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 29, 2022 11:27:20 GMT
Agree, this will need a strong referee, I take it Kerry would object to Dublin Joe getting the gig, Conor Lane is very unassuming and gets the job done, I have always praised Gough but I though he left a lot of pushing on the ball by Mayo go last Sunday, although the weather may have had an effect here. I've a feeling Cassidy will get the gig, although I could never fault Neilan. Apparently Cassidy or Lane will get semi final with Gough getting final. Dublin Joe must get his time to shine. Linesman maybe for Kerry/Dublin if he doesn't get the ref gig. Enter Raise Hell Leave... by Garda Escort |
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Post by southward on Jun 29, 2022 11:35:14 GMT
Apparently Cassidy or Lane will get semi final with Gough getting final. Dublin Joe must get his time to shine. Linesman maybe for Kerry/Dublin if he doesn't get the ref gig. Enter Raise Hell Leave... by Garda Escort No f..... way! Kerry would have to point blank refuse to play if Dublin Joe has any part in the officiating. Shafts us every time. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 29, 2022 11:44:49 GMT
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 29, 2022 11:53:57 GMT
Dublin Joe must get his time to shine. Linesman maybe for Kerry/Dublin if he doesn't get the ref gig. Enter Raise Hell Leave... by Garda Escort No f..... way! Kerry would have to point blank refuse to play if Dublin Joe has any part in the officiating. Shafts us every time. I hope not either and Jack remembers 2011 but don't be surprised to see Joe on the sideline. Sure when the GAA use refs living in a competing county, then anything is possible. Expect the worst and you won't be disappointed. |
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Post by dc84 on Jun 29, 2022 12:05:17 GMT
On the penalties who would ours be ?
David Clifford,o shea ,tom sull,killian geaney?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 29, 2022 12:31:30 GMT
I hope they use the Canal End for the penalties between Kerry and Dublin!! Ah Mick I'm sure if Kerry and Dublin went to penalties it would be at canal end. Sure it would give Dubs a big advantage if it was hill 16. I'd say most penalty shootouts will be in canal where supporters are mixed. Hope there are no more penalty shootouts though. They might invoke the same rule that they have for letting Dublin warm up at the Hill End.... the county starting with A in Irish gets it first. On that basis penos into the Hill. Spose ye think that isnt beyond them! |
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