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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 21, 2022 18:20:07 GMT
We must be reminded that after losing these big leads Galway went on to win. That is "shtones", no? I agree its more if that was kerry what would people say thats all defo double standards. Ah dont mind me i like to get fired up reading comnents and stuff from opposing fans a siege mentality thing! Galway are a hard enough team to hate so finding ammunition is harder than other teams! Some commentators said that Kerry had a "wobble" against Dublin. Kerry were up by six and went on to win against Dublin. I don't think the commentary around Kerry in the SF has been overly... Wait I'm messing with your seige mentality my apologies 😅😅👍💚💛 |
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 21, 2022 19:10:35 GMT
But no the narrative on every podcast etc is if galway are there with 20 to go etc. Then kerry will wilt even though the evidence suggests galway are more likely to feel the burn. That collapse against Armagh was fairly spectacular and worrying from their point of view. Yeah, that's lazy journalism, of course Galway have a chance with 20 minutes to go if they're level....compared to if they're 6 points down with 20 min to go. I think Kerry are in a much better position to win if it's level at 50 min. Galway have no bench - I believe all but one or two of their bench made their C'ship debuts this year while Kerry have a lot of experience on the bench. Kerry's defense really excels in the later stages of games - only conceded 2 pts in the last 15 min v Dublin, and 1 pt in the last 20 min v Mayo and Cork. Contrast that to Galway who've conceded quite a lot late on v Armagh and Mayo and even a late goal to Derry which could have proved costly. So if level with 20 min to go, be optimistic! |
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 21, 2022 21:42:50 GMT
I forgot Kevin McStay got the nod for Sunday.
That'll make tickets harder to get as nobody wants to spend All-Ireland final day listening to him.
It'll also boost Sky Sports subscriptions in Kerry!
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Post by Hicser on Jul 21, 2022 23:08:10 GMT
I think this is a team that has potential to be great. Like all teams who have a bit of a drought it just needs one win for the pressure to release.
I think we will have the measure of Galway all over the park. I predict we could be 6/7 up at half time.
If our whole forward line function then Galway will be in big trouble, I’d really want Geaney & SOB to have good games on Sunday, if they function along with the 2 Cliffords & SOS I can’t see us losing.
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Post by southward on Jul 23, 2022 20:38:50 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 23, 2022 20:57:34 GMT
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Post by Clogher on Jul 24, 2022 7:44:13 GMT
love the T-shirt - can I ask where did you come by that if you don't mind sharing? |
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Post by southward on Jul 24, 2022 7:46:53 GMT
love the T-shirt - can I ask where did you come by that if you don't mind sharing? Sorry, that's not me, someone just forwarded me the picture. |
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Post by fitz on Jul 24, 2022 8:18:42 GMT
love the T-shirt - can I ask where did you come by that if you don't mind sharing? Sorry, that's not me, someone just forwarded me the picture. Class T |
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Post by Clogher on Jul 24, 2022 10:00:42 GMT
Sorry, that's not me, someone just forwarded me the picture. Class T found it - hairybaby.com |
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Post by homerj on Jul 25, 2022 8:35:36 GMT
now that the final has been won, that Seanie kick is forever immortalised as perhaps, the greatest kick of a ball in our history.
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Post by Control5 on Aug 6, 2022 14:16:33 GMT
I have changed to name on this thread.
It can be used for all discussions into the winter and next year about all matters relating to the Dublin v Kerry rivalry. Including the 2023 All Ireland final perhaps!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 6, 2022 16:56:57 GMT
Am i right in thinking that if Kerry and Dublin win their provincials in 2023, they cant meet in any of the pool games so the first and only match could be the AI final if they get far.
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Post by Moderator on Aug 7, 2022 18:31:20 GMT
Am i right in thinking that if Kerry and Dublin win their provincials in 2023, they cant meet in any of the pool games so the first and only match could be the AI final if they get far. That's what I believed but I read a piece today saying there is a draw for all ireland semi finals after the group stage. If that's true we could meet in semi again next year. From the motion passed at Congress when the 2023 format was decided:
"The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible."
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2022 19:07:59 GMT
So the old pre ordained semi finals ...ie Munster v Connacht would be next year..... is no more!
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 8, 2022 8:45:02 GMT
So the old pre ordained semi finals ...ie Munster v Connacht would be next year..... is no more! It seems an odd move when each of the 4 groups contain one provincial winner (and a provincial runner up) so it would have been quite easy to arrange the semi-finals by group (province) according to the usual 3 year cycle, even if the actual provincial winners don't make it to the semi-final, as happened to all 4 provincial winners in 2010. If they wanted to remove the impact of the provincial system they could have just placed teams in the group according to league position, i.e. position 1-4 as seeds 1, 5-8 seeds 2, etc. I think that'd be fairer than having provincial runners up as seed 2. If you've the lowest or 2nd lowest placed league team along with either the Munster or Leinster runner-up it'll be an easy group. |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2022 11:11:44 GMT
Galway will rise up and go back down.
So will Mayo.
So will Tyrone.
So will Kerry.
Its the natural order of things.
Will Dublin though?
I have been thinking about the Dublin v Kerry rivalry recently and the notable thing since 1970 anyway is that there have seldom peaked at the same time.
When Kerry were reaching finals in 1968 to 1972, Dublin were down.
Dublin great team rose in 1974 and were gone by 1979.
Kerrys great team didnt really arrive till Jacko and Liston established themselves from 1978 on.
Dublin did have a decent team in 1983 but not a great team. Kerry handled them easy enough in 84 and 85.
When Kerry went into the wilderness in 1987, Dublin started rising and regularly reached finals and won the 1995 final.
Kerry started rising again in 1996 but Dublin were on a downward slope by then
They did meet and draw in 2001 but it would be another 10 years before Dublins great team arrived.
By 2011 Kerrys great team of Darragh Colm Declan etc were on the way down.
Kerry were team building during dublins 6 ina row period.
Kerry are rising now again and most of the great 6 inarow Dublin team are gone.
But will Dublin go into a downward trajectory this time.
The line between losing to Mayo in 2021 and losing to Kerry in 2022 were thin to say the least.... last minute kicks at the end of normal time being key.
I thought Dublin were simply heroic v Kerry in 2022 and who knows what would have happened in extra time.
The thing is that so many of their players were poor...Rock, Costello apart from the goal, Paddy Small should have started and this would have allowed them to play quick ball forward. Con wasnt playing.
I think its a bit simplistic to point to McCarthy and a few more and say that they will tank when they go.
A lot of them are young and Lee Gannon is the type of player that they can find given the numbers etc and he looks like being a huge player.
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Post by homerj on Aug 12, 2022 11:25:16 GMT
the main worry about dublin next year, is if a change of management happens and the right man goes in there, 2 or 3 big name players may go back playing. said players are all exceptionally close off the pitch and one going back, could lead to another and so on
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2022 11:47:14 GMT
the main worry about dublin next year, is if a change of management happens and the right man goes in there, 2 or 3 big name players may go back playing. said players are all exceptionally close off the pitch and one going back, could lead to another and so on "Kerry 1-14 Dublin 1-13: Late Sean O'Shea free sends Kingdom into All-Ireland final after epic contest | GAA News | Sky Sports" www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30553/12649367/kerry-1-14-dublin-1-13-late-sean-oshea-free-sends-kingdom-into-all-ireland-final-after-epic-contestThe dublin team and subs v Kerry are in that. Not much if a return from the FF line. Brian Howard looks out of position. Scully has lost form. Its not hard to see a 10% improvement in 2023. They can use div 2 to blood more players. It is going to be interesting to see what happens in the coming years. I find it impossible to envisage a scenario where Dublin are not permanently in the top 2. If they arent there is something up. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 12, 2022 14:05:21 GMT
The set ups that dublin clubs have and the other advantages such as population and funding mean that Dublin will prob be in 6 out of every 10 finals, at least and will prob win 3/4 a decade
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 12, 2022 14:12:25 GMT
I think Dublin might struggle over the next few years; playing in Division 2 will allow them test out new players but it’s still a level below what championship will bring.
There are a lot of guys from this year’s panel who are on borrowed time - Byrne, Fitzsimons, Cooper , James MCarthy - Fenton is approaching 30 & hasn’t played well in a while; Scully not able to make starting 15, Rock anonymous & Costello probably not good enough.
That’s a lot of experience to replace in a short space of time, but if say McCaffrey & Mangion returned it would be a big boost.
On the other hand, a change of management might see a raft of changes which might prove beneficial in the long run but would hinder their chances in the next few years.
Anyway, that’s not our problem thankfully & hope that this Kerry squad & management stay together for the foreseeable.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2022 14:48:04 GMT
The set ups that dublin clubs have and the other advantages such as population and funding mean that Dublin will prob be in 6 out of every 10 finals, at least and will prob win 3/4 a decade Logic would suggest that. I think they will be our strongest opponent in 2023. Just like they were in 2022. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 12, 2022 15:10:40 GMT
The set ups that dublin clubs have and the other advantages such as population and funding mean that Dublin will prob be in 6 out of every 10 finals, at least and will prob win 3/4 a decade Logic would suggest that. I think they will be our strongest opponent in 2023. Just like they were in 2022. Yeah I would agree with that, there’s too many factors in their favour for them to ever slip outside the top 2/3 favourites |
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Post by clarinman on Aug 12, 2022 22:20:35 GMT
the main worry about dublin next year, is if a change of management happens and the right man goes in there, 2 or 3 big name players may go back playing. said players are all exceptionally close off the pitch and one going back, could lead to another and so on "Kerry 1-14 Dublin 1-13: Late Sean O'Shea free sends Kingdom into All-Ireland final after epic contest | GAA News | Sky Sports" www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30553/12649367/kerry-1-14-dublin-1-13-late-sean-oshea-free-sends-kingdom-into-all-ireland-final-after-epic-contestThe dublin team and subs v Kerry are in that. Not much if a return from the FF line. Brian Howard looks out of position. Scully has lost form. Its not hard to see a 10% improvement in 2023. They can use div 2 to blood more players. It is going to be interesting to see what happens in the coming years. I find it impossible to envisage a scenario where Dublin are not permanently in the top 2. If they arent there is something up. I would worry for Dublin if they lose Fitzsimmons and Byrne in the full back line. You mention that Scully has lost form. I never rated him as a top player. Easy to look good when the opposition backs are trying to look after Mannion, con, Kilkenny and rock at their peak. He needed to step up this year when some of those guys weren't available or off form and he ended up on the subs bench. |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 13, 2022 6:51:56 GMT
I can't recall much reference to a save from James McCarthy by Shane Ryan in the 5th minute.
At that point it was 1.01 to 2 points and SR saved the shot with his feet. Howard kicked a point from the rebound but can you imagine the lift a goal at that point would have given Dublin.
Shane was brilliant for us this year.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 13, 2022 12:10:01 GMT
Outside the James McCarthy shot, I don’t recall Shane making any other saves in the championship. To be honest, it would have been a poor goal to concede from Shane’s perspective,
Shane’s biggest asset was his coolness under pressure, whether that was kick outs or just been an out ball for his defence. He didn’t venture far from his goal but when he did so, there was a point to it.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 13, 2022 12:11:43 GMT
Outside the James McCarthy shot, I don’t recall Shane making any other saves in the championship. To be honest, it would have been a poor goal to concede from Shane’s perspective, Shane’s biggest asset was his coolness under pressure, whether that was kick outs or just been an out ball for his defence. He didn’t venture far from his goal but when he did so, there was a point to it. As Con Houlihan said one time: a goalie may only have a bit to do but he must do that bit well. |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 2, 2022 9:24:07 GMT
Found this on Twitter - enjoy 😉
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Post by thehermit on Sept 2, 2022 9:56:59 GMT
The shot from the end of the earth! My friend has a framed black and white photograph of Cluxton's kick in 2011 on his mantle piece, its there mocking me anytime I visit his house in Dublin.
I wonder is there any crowd that would do a similar framed stylish picture of Seanie's kick for a man?
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Post by homerj on Sept 2, 2022 10:46:41 GMT
The shot from the end of the earth! My friend has a framed black and white photograph of Cluxton's kick in 2011 on his mantle piece, its there mocking me anytime I visit his house in Dublin. I wonder is there any crowd that would do a similar framed stylish picture of Seanie's kick for a man? get on to inpho.ie and they will have them for sale. then frame it accordingly! just checked, theres 100s of pics there of the last few games and about 20 of the kick - search Kerry and go to page 17 and 18 |
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