The Kerry v Dublin thread

[Moderator]

A bit of housekeeping to remove posts done today.

Also, one of the posters given time off.

[Aodhan]

If there were not differences of opinion on this forum this place would be a very boring place. Even in Kerry, special weeks like the one ahead are rare enough so it’s sad to see otherwise great contributors getting into a little hissy fit.

Mick has been a breath of fresh air to this space, his passion for Kerry and Kerry football knows no bounds. From reading through his posts it’s obvious enough to recognize who he is. I had to laugh when Bally asked him to seek advice from those who played at the highest level. Two celtic crosses surely qualifies. Mick’s reply was modest, fair play.

I’ve always worn the colors since the paper hats and rosettes were dispensed with and it would be great if far more did so. Possibly better in bars in far away lands as strangers in Kerry jerseys can become friends on big days.

[kerrybhoy06]

Jul 17, 2022 20:35:22 GMT Aodhan said:

If there were not differences of opinion on this forum this place would be a very boring place. Even in Kerry, special weeks like the one ahead are rare enough so it’s sad to see otherwise great contributors getting into a little hissy fit.

Mick has been a breath of fresh air to this space, his passion for Kerry and Kerry football knows no bounds. From reading through his posts it’s obvious enough to recognize who he is. I had to laugh when Bally asked him to seek advice from those who played at the highest level. Two celtic crosses surely qualifies. Mick’s reply was modest, fair play.

I’ve always worn the colors since the paper hats and rosettes were dispensed with and it would be great if far more did so. Possibly better in bars in far away lands as strangers in Kerry jerseys can become friends on big days.

Obvious? Jeez I have no idea, just presumed he was another loon ball like the rest of us.

[Moderator]

For the week that's in it...ban reversed on appeals from other posters via PM.

For now anyway...

[horsebox77]

Jul 17, 2022 21:13:32 GMT Moderator said:

For the week that's in it...ban reversed on appeals from other posters via PM.

For now anyway...

Correct decision.... well done.

[kerryman99]

Watching Sunday game again, PC should have gone for goal on 62 min. Need to go for kill when it's presented.

[Mickmack]

Right ....back to the match.

I dunno did many of ye watch the hurling final again but i watched the second half again.

The main difference was that Limerick retained possession from their own puckout. Hegarty or Hayes won most.


KK did better in the second half that the first day in this facet but overall, too many were 50:50 and Limerick ended up with the ball.


This could be a key thing for us. Hopefully. We need to crack the Galway keepers kickout.

[royalkerryfan]

I agree Mick,

You would have to think Jack will target the Galway keeper.

We haven't pressed as aggressively this year but I'd imagine that's due to the defensive manner we set up in.

If he makes a few mistakes he could get rattled.

Hopefully the lessons of last year have been learnt and we won't run down pointless channels and get turned over.

I don't think Galway are as sound defensively as Tyrone last year.

[veteran]

Jul 17, 2022 21:10:22 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

Jul 17, 2022 20:35:22 GMT Aodhan said:

If there were not differences of opinion on this forum this place would be a very boring place. Even in Kerry, special weeks like the one ahead are rare enough so it’s sad to see otherwise great contributors getting into a little hissy fit.

Mick has been a breath of fresh air to this space, his passion for Kerry and Kerry football knows no bounds. From reading through his posts it’s obvious enough to recognize who he is. I had to laugh when Bally asked him to seek advice from those who played at the highest level. Two celtic crosses surely qualifies. Mick’s reply was modest, fair play.

I’ve always worn the colors since the paper hats and rosettes were dispensed with and it would be great if far more did so. Possibly better in bars in far away lands as strangers in Kerry jerseys can become friends on big days.

Obvious? Jeez I have no idea, just presumed he was another loon ball like the rest of us.

Same here.

[fitz]

Jul 17, 2022 21:32:58 GMT kerryman99 said:

Watching Sunday game again, PC should have gone for goal on 62 min. Need to go for kill when it's presented.

Don’t think so, the tackle was coming, don’t think he’d enough time to set and shoot for goal

[kerryexile]

Jul 17, 2022 21:32:58 GMT kerryman99 said:

Watching Sunday game again, PC should have gone for goal on 62 min. Need to go for kill when it's presented.

At the game I thought the same. The gold standard here is what would Ger Power have done. He would have put ball and net up in Hill 16. But we are in a different time and era where "Decision Making" and "Shot Selection" are so important. So Paudie, who had a brilliant game, probably did the right thing to keep everyone happy. 

[southward]

Fan footage I hadn't seen before in this one. A tad shaky but the joy in the stands is nicely captured here.

[thepromisedland]

Apologies Moderator for overstepping the mark over two weeks ago on your forum.

Anyway, I'm not going to say what's already been said post Dublin match and final, in what has been said already. We did our best to lose the game v Dublin, but we got over the line in the end by Sèanie's wonder kick. It truly was a thing of beauty. We should have been out the gap at halftime. Ancient history now anyway.

County is looking resplendent with all the colour up and around. Puts a smile on people's faces. The final on Sunday will not be classic at all. The way the game has gone I'm afraid. Could be cagey enough. Wouldn't be surprised if it ended in a draw. While is stand over the fact that this is the weakest Kerry team / squad since 1996, on paper we should do it, but you never know in a final. 2014 is a long time for us to be waiting. I do not agree with this split season at all. The Finals need to go back to September, don't mess with tradition, counties will get their club competitions run off, I accept the players need to be heard, but this condensed season will cause worse player burnout and injuries the long term, allied with the cost of living, fans and families cannot afford on the road to matches week in, week out, plus the build up in schools for a final is special, allied with making the winter shorter for older people on their own and the general wellbeing of the public at large. It will return in a few years I hope.

Just as exciting, our wonderful Ladies, the first time since 1986, we are represented in a Mens and Ladies Finsl simultaneously. Wonderful occasion to look forward to.

Hopefully, please God we'll do it. All the best to everyone on Sunday. Safe driving Ciarraí Abú 💚💛

[rovingfullforward]

Jul 21, 2022 12:55:37 GMT thepromisedland said:

Apologies Moderator for overstepping the mark over two weeks ago on your forum.

Anyway, I'm not going to say what's already been said post Dublin match and final, in what has been said already. We did our best to lose the game v Dublin, but we got over the line in the end by Sèanie's wonder kick. It truly was a thing of beauty. We should have been out the gap at halftime. Ancient history now anyway.

County is looking resplendent with all the colour up and around. Puts a smile on people's faces. The final on Sunday will not be classic at all. The way the game has gone I'm afraid. Could be cagey enough. Wouldn't be surprised if it ended in a draw. While is stand over the fact that this is the weakest Kerry team / squad since 1996, on paper we should do it, but you never know in a final. 2014 is a long time for us to be waiting. I do not agree with this split season at all. The Finals need to go back to September, don't mess with tradition, counties will get their club competitions run off, I accept the players need to be heard, but this condensed season will cause worse player burnout and injuries the long term, allied with the cost of living, fans and families cannot afford on the road to matches week in, week out, plus the build up in schools for a final is special, allied with making the winter shorter for older people on their own and the general wellbeing of the public at large. It will return in a few years I hope.

Just as exciting, our wonderful Ladies, the first time since 1986, we are represented in a Mens and Ladies Finsl simultaneously. Wonderful occasion to look forward to.

Hopefully, please God we'll do it. All the best to everyone on Sunday. Safe driving Ciarraí Abú 💚💛

An opinion is not a fact.

[thehermit]

That will be a discussion to have hopefully over the course of a long winter with Sam safely home.

Until then who cares! These guys are our flesh and blood and embody all that our county hold dear.

Any Kerry team that wins the title is a great one in my book so lets hope the class of 2022 turn out to be that!!

[thepromisedland]

Jul 21, 2022 14:23:30 GMT rovingfullforward said:

Jul 21, 2022 12:55:37 GMT thepromisedland said:

Apologies Moderator for overstepping the mark over two weeks ago on your forum.

Anyway, I'm not going to say what's already been said post Dublin match and final, in what has been said already. We did our best to lose the game v Dublin, but we got over the line in the end by Sèanie's wonder kick. It truly was a thing of beauty. We should have been out the gap at halftime. Ancient history now anyway.

County is looking resplendent with all the colour up and around. Puts a smile on people's faces. The final on Sunday will not be classic at all. The way the game has gone I'm afraid. Could be cagey enough. Wouldn't be surprised if it ended in a draw. While is stand over the fact that this is the weakest Kerry team / squad since 1996, on paper we should do it, but you never know in a final. 2014 is a long time for us to be waiting. I do not agree with this split season at all. The Finals need to go back to September, don't mess with tradition, counties will get their club competitions run off, I accept the players need to be heard, but this condensed season will cause worse player burnout and injuries the long term, allied with the cost of living, fans and families cannot afford on the road to matches week in, week out, plus the build up in schools for a final is special, allied with making the winter shorter for older people on their own and the general wellbeing of the public at large. It will return in a few years I hope.

Just as exciting, our wonderful Ladies, the first time since 1986, we are represented in a Mens and Ladies Finsl simultaneously. Wonderful occasion to look forward to.

Hopefully, please God we'll do it. All the best to everyone on Sunday. Safe driving Ciarraí Abú 💚💛

An opinion is not a fact.

Is that the best you can come up with rovingfullforward? Nit picking just tgat one line from a whole statement. I agree with you though, that is my opinion, funnily enough though, quite a lot agree with it. Strange!

[Annascaultilidie]

Jul 21, 2022 14:58:40 GMT thepromisedland said:

Jul 21, 2022 14:23:30 GMT rovingfullforward said:

An opinion is not a fact.

Is that the best you can come up with rovingfullforward? Nit picking just tgat one line from a whole statement. I agree with you though, that is my opinion, funnily enough though, quite a lot agree with it. Strange!

I don't think "quite a lot of people agree" that this is Kerry's weakest team/squad since 1996.

Maybe people thought what was coming was another team as good as the 2000s, and perhaps this is not what is going on, but without denigrating other Kerry teams/squads who gave us loads, I don't think the people in this boat agree this is Kerry's weakest team/squad since 1996 (whatever that actually means).

[thepromisedland]

Jul 21, 2022 15:07:09 GMT Annascaultilidie said:

Jul 21, 2022 14:58:40 GMT thepromisedland said:

Is that the best you can come up with rovingfullforward? Nit picking just tgat one line from a whole statement. I agree with you though, that is my opinion, funnily enough though, quite a lot agree with it. Strange!

I don't think "quite a lot of people agree" that this is Kerry's weakest team/squad since 1996.

Maybe people thought what was coming was another team as good as the 2000s, and perhaps this is not what is going on, but without denigrating other Kerry teams/squads who gave us loads, I don't think the people in this boat agree this is Kerry's weakest team/squad since 1996 (whatever that actually means).

That's fine and that is your prerogative, that's what this forum is about, expressing your opinion, I can only state, from talking to many people around my area, they are of the same opinion as me, hence why I have expressed it.
I completely understand if others and many think otherwise, free will. I'm fine with that. It's a democracy.

[Annascaultilidie]

Jul 21, 2022 15:13:59 GMT thepromisedland said:

Jul 21, 2022 15:07:09 GMT Annascaultilidie said:

I don't think "quite a lot of people agree" that this is Kerry's weakest team/squad since 1996.

Maybe people thought what was coming was another team as good as the 2000s, and perhaps this is not what is going on, but without denigrating other Kerry teams/squads who gave us loads, I don't think the people in this boat agree this is Kerry's weakest team/squad since 1996 (whatever that actually means).

That's fine and that is your prerogative, that's what this forum is about, expressing your opinion, I can only state, from talking to many people around my area, they are of the same opinion as me, hence why I have expressed it.
I completely understand if others and many think otherwise, free will. I'm fine with that. It's a democracy.

OK I believe many people around your area believe this. It is the first time I have heard it expressed and that is the truth.

[thepromisedland]

As Jack would say; " We move on". Hopefully the boys will do us proud on Sunday.

[Annascaultilidie]

Jul 21, 2022 16:13:32 GMT ciarraimick said:

Well I'd say alot of Kerry people believe this is a good team and certainly better than 2018/2019 but I have met alot of non Kerry folk who reckon this team are average and our defense is a weak point. Now where that's coming from is strange as our defense have been our strong base this year. I suppose until we win Sam again it will thrown at us. Our ole friend Joe Brolly does nt have much faith in us either. He feels we choke late on in tight games. Anyway a win Sunday might answer a few critics.

That fella must have missed the end of the Dublin game.

[thepromisedland]

Jul 21, 2022 16:19:42 GMT Annascaultilidie said:

Jul 21, 2022 16:13:32 GMT ciarraimick said:

Well I'd say alot of Kerry people believe this is a good team and certainly better than 2018/2019 but I have met alot of non Kerry folk who reckon this team are average and our defense is a weak point. Now where that's coming from is strange as our defense have been our strong base this year. I suppose until we win Sam again it will thrown at us. Our ole friend Joe Brolly does nt have much faith in us either. He feels we choke late on in tight games. Anyway a win Sunday might answer a few critics.

That fella must have missed the end of the Dublin game.

That fella goes to all Kerry games, hurling and football included, a lot think the same outside of the county, as I meet them up and down the country, hopefully this will win our boys on Sunday. It's all about unfinished business you see, until that's achieved, just like in any sport and in any team, constructive criticism is fully justified, as one wants what's best. All about reaching your potential and setting those standards. Sure, don't I see it myself in school.

Anyway, time to move on, hopefully we can do it.

[Annascaultilidie]

Jul 21, 2022 16:34:28 GMT thepromisedland said:

Jul 21, 2022 16:19:42 GMT Annascaultilidie said:

That fella must have missed the end of the Dublin game.

That fella goes to all Kerry games, hurling and football included, a lot think the same outside of the county, as I meet them up and down the country, hopefully this will win our boys on Sunday. It's all about unfinished business you see, until that's achieved, just like in any sport and in any team, constructive criticism is fully justified, as one wants what's best. All about reaching your potential and setting those standards. Sure, don't I see it myself in school.

Anyway, time to move on, hopefully we can do it.

I was talking about Joe Brolly.

[dc84]

Seems to be a lot of negative talk about this Kerry team (jealously?) A lot of it is lazy met a few westies after dublin game and they were saying our defence isnt great. I said were ye not at the f'ing match that was as good a defensive display as ive seen from a kerry team and they have been exvellent all year mainly down to a couple of things
A) foley has come of age he has strengthened up considerably and seems more confident
B) morley and beaglaoich are playing very well with their best numbers on 5 and 7 rather than 2 and 3.
C) the collective is better wing forwards are working like dogs no handy overlaps are happening tadgh sweeping is key as well.

This is a damn fine kerry team maybe not the best ive seen but some of the talk around really gets me fired up the main one being that we are mentally weak.
People saying things like that would be the worst thing i could hear as a player or person , shane ryan, beaglaoich murphy both cliffords and o shea showed me enough in last ten minutes of that game that these boys have the mental resiliance to match anyone.

[thepromisedland]

Jul 21, 2022 17:26:40 GMT dc84 said:

Seems to be a lot of negative talk about this Kerry team (jealously?) A lot of it is lazy met a few westies after dublin game and they were saying our defence isnt great. I said were ye not at the f'ing match that was as good a defensive display as ive seen from a kerry team and they have been exvellent all year mainly down to a couple of things
A) foley has come of age he has strengthened up considerably and seems more confident
B) morley and beaglaoich are playing very well with their best numbers on 5 and 7 rather than 2 and 3.
C) the collective is better wing forwards are working like dogs no handy overlaps are happening tadgh sweeping is key as well.

This is a damn fine kerry team maybe not the best ive seen but some of the talk around really gets me fired up the main one being that we are mentally weak.
People saying things like that would be the worst thing i could hear as a player or person , shane ryan, beaglaoich murphy both cliffords and o shea showed me enough in last ten minutes of that game that these boys have the mental resiliance to match anyone.

Gets me fired up too dc84, and I've been going to Kerry games since that great year of 1984, people are entitled to their opinions, I stand by mine, well researched and is anything but lazy. Everybody can't be wrong, but when one demands high standards, then you achieve, for the most part anyway, rather than being accepting and celebrating mediocrity, like a lot of supporters I know of where I work, that have done after not so important games in the past, valiant efforts. Until silverware has been achieved, then the business is done. It's the way I operate in my subject at school, we are Kerry, we have very high standards in tourism, history, football, etc, as result we are successful.

[thepromisedland]

Anyway enough on that point.
Let us all rally around eachother in wishing the boys well on Sunday, and we can all come back elated and smiling with the silverware in being proud of the lads.
Ciarraí Abú 💚💛💚💛💚💛💚💛💚

[dc84]

Jul 21, 2022 17:38:14 GMT thepromisedland said:

Jul 21, 2022 17:26:40 GMT dc84 said:

Seems to be a lot of negative talk about this Kerry team (jealously?) A lot of it is lazy met a few westies after dublin game and they were saying our defence isnt great. I said were ye not at the f'ing match that was as good a defensive display as ive seen from a kerry team and they have been exvellent all year mainly down to a couple of things
A) foley has come of age he has strengthened up considerably and seems more confident
B) morley and beaglaoich are playing very well with their best numbers on 5 and 7 rather than 2 and 3.
C) the collective is better wing forwards are working like dogs no handy overlaps are happening tadgh sweeping is key as well.

This is a damn fine kerry team maybe not the best ive seen but some of the talk around really gets me fired up the main one being that we are mentally weak.
People saying things like that would be the worst thing i could hear as a player or person , shane ryan, beaglaoich murphy both cliffords and o shea showed me enough in last ten minutes of that game that these boys have the mental resiliance to match anyone.

Gets me fired up too dc84, and I've been going to Kerry games since that great year of 1984, people are entitled to their opinions, I stand by mine, well researched and is anything but lazy. Everybody can't be wrong, but when one demands high standards, then you achieve, for the most part anyway, rather than being accepting and celebrating mediocrity, like a lot of supporters I know of where I work, that have done after not so important games in the past, valiant efforts. Until silverware has been achieved, then the business is done. It's the way I operate in my subject at school, we are Kerry, we have very high standards in tourism, history, football, etc, as result we are successful.

Wasnt referencing you to be honest as regards the lazy more the group think by people. I dont care where this kerry team ranks in history only that we are ranked best this year !
A lot of this i think is based on the group think that kerry would naturally suplant dublin and win 5 or six all irelands as well this was unlikely to happen and a team reaching dublins level might not happen for 20 years it was 30 odd between our golden years team and Dublins 8 out of 10.
We seem to be treated differently to other teams ie held to a higher standard than we will say galway 5 or 6 up on mayo and brought back to a point , same against rossies in league final same against armagh in quarter final they couldve easily lost all three .
But no the narrative on every podcast etc is if galway are there with 20 to go etc. Then kerry will wilt even though the evidence above suggests galway are more likely to feel the burn.
That collapse against Armagh was fairly spectacular and worrying from their point of view.

[Annascaultilidie]

Jul 21, 2022 18:05:41 GMT dc84 said:

Jul 21, 2022 17:38:14 GMT thepromisedland said:

Gets me fired up too dc84, and I've been going to Kerry games since that great year of 1984, people are entitled to their opinions, I stand by mine, well researched and is anything but lazy. Everybody can't be wrong, but when one demands high standards, then you achieve, for the most part anyway, rather than being accepting and celebrating mediocrity, like a lot of supporters I know of where I work, that have done after not so important games in the past, valiant efforts. Until silverware has been achieved, then the business is done. It's the way I operate in my subject at school, we are Kerry, we have very high standards in tourism, history, football, etc, as result we are successful.

Wasnt referencing you to be honest as regards the lazy more the group think by people. I dont care where this kerry team ranks in history only that we are ranked best this year !
A lot of this i think is based on the group think that kerry would naturally suplant dublin and win 5 or six all irelands as well this was unlikely to happen and a team reaching dublins level might not happen for 20 years it was 30 odd between our golden years team and Dublins 8 out of 10.
We seem to be treated differently to other teams ie held to a higher standard than we will say galway 5 or 6 up on mayo and brought back to a point , same against rossies in league final same against armagh in quarter final they couldve easily lost all three .
But no the narrative on every podcast etc is if galway are there with 20 to go etc. Then kerry will wilt even though the evidence above suggests galway are more likely to feel the burn.
That collapse against Armagh was fairly spectacular and worrying from their point of view.

We must be reminded that after losing these big leads Galway went on to win. That is "shtones", no?

[thepromisedland]

Jul 21, 2022 18:05:41 GMT dc84 said:

Jul 21, 2022 17:38:14 GMT thepromisedland said:

Gets me fired up too dc84, and I've been going to Kerry games since that great year of 1984, people are entitled to their opinions, I stand by mine, well researched and is anything but lazy. Everybody can't be wrong, but when one demands high standards, then you achieve, for the most part anyway, rather than being accepting and celebrating mediocrity, like a lot of supporters I know of where I work, that have done after not so important games in the past, valiant efforts. Until silverware has been achieved, then the business is done. It's the way I operate in my subject at school, we are Kerry, we have very high standards in tourism, history, football, etc, as result we are successful.

Wasnt referencing you to be honest as regards the lazy more the group think by people. I dont care where this kerry team ranks in history only that we are ranked best this year !
A lot of this i think is based on the group think that kerry would naturally suplant dublin and win 5 or six all irelands as well this was unlikely to happen and a team reaching dublins level might not happen for 20 years it was 30 odd between our golden years team and Dublins 8 out of 10.
We seem to be treated differently to other teams ie held to a higher standard than we will say galway 5 or 6 up on mayo and brought back to a point , same against rossies in league final same against armagh in quarter final they couldve easily lost all three .
But no the narrative on every podcast etc is if galway are there with 20 to go etc. Then kerry will wilt even though the evidence above suggests galway are more likely to feel the burn.
That collapse against Armagh was fairly spectacular and worrying from their point of view.

Brilliant 👏 post dc84. I absolutely 💯 agree with that.
I do see it with the media too, we never seem to get that much coverage nationally regarding build up or post winning compared to most other counties. Jealousy? I'd say you right there. Very obvious bias in the hurling final last Sunday and buried towards Kilkenny.

[dc84]

Jul 21, 2022 18:07:48 GMT Annascaultilidie said:

Jul 21, 2022 18:05:41 GMT dc84 said:

Wasnt referencing you to be honest as regards the lazy more the group think by people. I dont care where this kerry team ranks in history only that we are ranked best this year !
A lot of this i think is based on the group think that kerry would naturally suplant dublin and win 5 or six all irelands as well this was unlikely to happen and a team reaching dublins level might not happen for 20 years it was 30 odd between our golden years team and Dublins 8 out of 10.
We seem to be treated differently to other teams ie held to a higher standard than we will say galway 5 or 6 up on mayo and brought back to a point , same against rossies in league final same against armagh in quarter final they couldve easily lost all three .
But no the narrative on every podcast etc is if galway are there with 20 to go etc. Then kerry will wilt even though the evidence above suggests galway are more likely to feel the burn.
That collapse against Armagh was fairly spectacular and worrying from their point of view.

We must be reminded that after losing these big leads Galway went on to win. That is "shtones", no?

I agree its more if that was kerry what would people say thats all defo double standards.

Ah dont mind me i like to get fired up reading comnents and stuff from opposing fans a siege mentality thing! Galway are a hard enough team to hate so finding ammunition is harder than other teams!