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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 6, 2022 10:24:38 GMT
Absolutely 💯 lads, I fully concur concur with all of the above posts. We've a soft underbelly, can't close games out, ala 2019 All-Ireland Final, first day v Dublin, All-Ireland Semi- Final v Mayo 2017. We've lovely lads,too nice, example Tyrone player with the ball on the ground last August in the Semi- Final, Morley and Foley, standing there without laying a hand on him, that kind of stuff, the players,but no leadership, when the going gets tough. We all want them to win, we really do. Do the players trust themselves in their own ability in matches up in Croke Park, now that's the question. That's why, we should be going all out to win this league in a final up in Croke Park. It'll be good for our crew. We had the leaders in the 2003 - 2011 sides, when backs were to the wall, we had steel and great, Aidan O' Mahony, Darragh, Tomás, Mark, Darragh, Mike Quirke,Tom Sullivan etc, we just don't have those now. People just do not buy in that this current crop are as good. Hopefully time will tell. If you want to have success up in Croke Park, you have to have leaders, as it can be a cauldron up there, a venue for games like nowhere else Kind of get the impression that perhaps our support bases still don't fully trust this group, maybe I'm completely wrong, just a hunch I get. Let's concentrate on the now anyway, we're motoring nicely so far. Let's accentuate the current positivity.💯👍💛💚
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 6, 2022 12:38:31 GMT
Absolutely 💯 lads, I fully concur concur with all of the above posts. We've a soft underbelly, can't close games out, ala 2019 All-Ireland Final, first day v Dublin, All-Ireland Semi- Final v Mayo 2017. We've lovely lads,too nice, example Tyrone player with the ball on the ground last August in the Semi- Final, Morley and Foley, standing there without laying a hand on him, that kind of stuff, the players,but no leadership, when the going gets tough. We all want them to win, we really do. Do the players trust themselves in their own ability in matches up in Croke Park, now that's the question. That's why, we should be going all out to win this league in a final up in Croke Park. It'll be good for our crew. We had the leaders in the 2003 - 2011 sides, when backs were to the wall, we had steel and great, Aidan O' Mahony, Darragh, Tomás, Mark, Darragh, Mike Quirke,Tom Sullivan etc, we just don't have those now. People just do not buy in that this current crop are as good. Hopefully time will tell. If you want to have success up in Croke Park, you have to have leaders, as it can be a cauldron up there, a venue for games like nowhere else Kind of get the impression that perhaps our support bases still don't fully trust this group, maybe I'm completely wrong, just a hunch I get. Let's concentrate on the now anyway, we're motoring nicely so far. Let's accentuate the current positivity.💯👍💛💚 The problem with people claiming that you don’t have the stomach for it it, etc is that it can only be answered when you actually get over the line. Let’s hope to f*ck that it’s answered this year
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Post by hatchetman on Mar 6, 2022 13:45:59 GMT
Apparently Mayo are on their longest unbeaten league run (8) for twenty years (16).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 16:20:09 GMT
The "new Mayo" might be harsh but we have to be realistic and I'm afraid the posters are right Many view Kerry now as nice footballers with loads of talent but we are now bottlers in many people s eyes. I work and live in Dublin and I work with a large crowd of people from all counties. I also socialise with people from all over and the common narrative is "Kerry can't win tight games". Even the Kerry team of the noughties it's often thrown at me that we could win finals by beating Cork or Connaught teams. It's hard to disagree. The only way to dictate people s view is to prove them wrong. The irony is that Dubs still have respect for us (although no fear) but Mayo people I know don't really respect or fear Kerry anymore. They think we have a soft centre and unless we won Sam soon that narrative is not going to change. We have failed to get over the line in tight games so often its hard to blame people s view. The one time recently Cork even give us a tight game they beat us. Also from talking to people Mayo (although many Kerry and Mayo people marry) have a serious dislike for Kerry at the mó. It stems more from 2014 replay that the 04 or 06 hiding. I can't understand Mayo people disliking us for 2014 mick. in fairness a few decisions went against them but a few went against us as well. Cillian O'Connor and O'Shea running head first into eachother (all though hilarious) had nothing to do with a Kerry player. I remember driving to dublin on the Saturday before the drawn game in 2014 and listening to radio 1, and there must have been 5 Mayo players interviewed and no Kerry players were interviewed , It was all about Mayo and how they were goin to beat us, I was shocked, I stopped off in Portlaoise to watch the junior allireland final between ourselves and Cavan and I was thinking was there any point heading for dublin at all, but sport is funny and sometimes it can kick you in the crotch. Mayo got kicked in the crotch but if it wasn't us then it would have been Donegal that would have beaten them in the final, its gas, if any team should have felt a grieved it should have been Donegal after hammering the dubs to get to the final.
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Post by dano on Mar 6, 2022 17:13:30 GMT
Kerry don't get enough credit for 2014. They played brilliantly in that epic encounter in Limerick and also in the final. People forget that, were it not for a few very favorable referee decisions, it would have been Cork we were playing in that semi final. Donegal had a chance to draw level at the end of the final.They didn't. Kerry would have still won the replay. Bit rich the talk of soft underbellies coming from Mayo in my opinion.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 6, 2022 18:00:56 GMT
While the Mayo team would have earned my respect I would have to laugh at Mayo fans not respecting a Kerry side they beat once in 26 years in championship and have failed to win nearly twenty finals in a row. Kerry failed to get over the line in 2015 and twice in 2019.
As regards the 2000s team. They won five All-Irelands in the decade and reached six finals in a row.
Sure, Tyrone had the upper hand three times but Kerry would be there again the next year while Tyrone would be on the missing list after losing to Laois or someone like that.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 6, 2022 18:11:28 GMT
Kerry don't get enough credit for 2014. They played brilliantly in that epic encounter in Limerick and also in the final. People forget that, were it not for a few very favorable referee decisions, it would have been Cork we were playing in that semi final. Donegal had a chance to draw level at the end of the final.They didn't. Kerry would have still won the replay. Bit rich the talk of soft underbellies coming from Mayo in my opinion. Sure didn’t we get home advantage for the semi final replay?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 18:44:09 GMT
Kerry don't get enough credit for 2014. They played brilliantly in that epic encounter in Limerick and also in the final. People forget that, were it not for a few very favorable referee decisions, it would have been Cork we were playing in that semi final. Donegal had a chance to draw level at the end of the final.They didn't. Kerry would have still won the replay. Bit rich the talk of soft underbellies coming from Mayo in my opinion. Sure didn’t we get home advantage for the semi final replay? That took the biscuit, in fairness its a long spin from Mayo to limerick but its a fair old spin from West and South Kerry as well.
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Post by mossie on Mar 6, 2022 18:49:06 GMT
Have to disagree with you there about Mayo people not respecting Kerry team and venue's. And why should they fear us until we prove ourselves. As for 3 in a row leagues or 4 in a row as in 74 there was no Sam in those years either. 74 League winning team had 10 of 1975 winning All Ireland team. Those four leagues were won by a team in transition. Johnny Culloty was manager of Kerry for those 4 league titles?? and we damn near won the 1972 all ireland A few of the 1975 team had their teeth cut in 1973 and 1974 alright, was it as many as 10 though? possibly I suppose, Johnno and Brendan Lynch were around a while before 1975
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Post by fitz on Mar 6, 2022 19:49:13 GMT
I think Kerry have to go and win the league, Munster and All Ireland and it’s true we haven’t been able been able to close tight games it’s true, so that has to be answered also.
But Mayo making claims against Kerry’s character is laughable if true, there isn’t an unshattered mirror in their county.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 6, 2022 20:03:38 GMT
Any word on the injured lads ?
Any update on Dan O'Donoghue is he ok?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 6, 2022 20:37:24 GMT
I wonder how representative our mood on here is of the mood inside our camp - some high profile manager (maybe Jacko'c?) commentated lately to the effect that it bears no relationship, i.e. more fake news. Maybe rumours are out out to have us self destruct as cannon fodder. Now the Ballythefireside culture would be strong on using our imaginations but people shouldn't let it run away with us, well not when in serious conversation.
Reading Marty Morrisey's book he is death on 1. GAA Paywalls and 2. The restricted access to players to get a feel for, well the mood. I agree with him 100% - the GAA is a community sport and I think they need to loosen up a bit. Colm O'Rourke writing in last Sunday's Sindo alleged that mental health was farmed out to the GAA and if that is only partly true, and I believe it is more than that, then Pay-per-view is the equivalent of it being Private Health care for all. Now I am not a left winger but this is so so wrong and I feel so sorry for our veterans who gave freely of their time in eras of less abundance that today and now they are being cut off from viewing the sport they love, that they helped to make into what it is. What with rural isolation, unsafe urban streets after dark, Covid, and then the depressing situation with our fellow democrats in Ukraine.
HQ need to cut people a bit of slack here and it is as much policy as individual decision - it is a voluntary sport and that should define how it is delivered to the community.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 6, 2022 20:53:38 GMT
A few things here that strike me , most counties talent ebb and flow a good crop of players arrive together and drive each other on are mainstays and then tend to exit around the same time robbing the team of leaders as they have been so reliant on 5 to 7 players for such a long time. In the early 2000s there was Kerry armagh Tyrone and briefly Meath and Galway (As those great teams declined). Then cork replaced armagh around 06/07 As the 3rd team competing to be replaced by the dublin of Connolly, brogans etc. Donegal for a few years also rose to challenge and win one. The constant from I would say 97 to 15 was Kerry always competitive always reaching semis(2010 and 12 being exceptions post backdoor). My main point is look how long it has taken those teams to recover if they have at all. Armagh only now have a decent ish team who may have a chance in Ulster, Meath and cork might very well ( and deservedly be playing in d3 next year and in corks case 2nd time in 4 years) Galway have barely made a splash in the championship since 01 a couple of semis may be at best Donegal are on the slide big time in my opinion and once the great Murphy is gone will struggle in d1 and Ulster not to mind the ai series. Even dublin who had about three waves of serious players are now finding the going tough. Far from being soft or mentally weak in the years post 09 /10 As the great names slipped into the pantheon of kerry greats we kept at it I don't think the 2014 team gets the credit they deserve talk about balls to come from 5 down in last few minutes to draw and then win an absolute battle in limerick by sheer will then fitzmaurice outhhought the most heralded manager that ever won one all ireland. We weren't far off in most years throughout that time when you consider how far off sone of the other teams have been Meath and Galway since 01, armagh since 06, Tyrone 08 until last year or 2, cork since 2010. Dublin should come back faster and probably wouldn't be in as bad a shape if mannion and particularly mcaffrey were still available but nothing is guaranteed in sport or life just look at man Utd ten years without a title and by the looks of it could be another ten. In 2019 Clifford ,o shea Tom sull etc were young and stood up aswell as they could against the best dublin team (Maybe all) and no startled earwigs were they , that gives me belief in them.
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Post by exiled on Mar 6, 2022 21:54:24 GMT
Have to disagree with you there about Mayo people not respecting Kerry team and venue's. And why should they fear us until we prove ourselves. As for 3 in a row leagues or 4 in a row as in 74 there was no Sam in those years either. You can disagree all you like with me, that's your prerogative, but I'm up there 19 year's, I'm down here every weekend and holiday time, so I'd have my ear to the ground more than anyone in making differentiations between both counties on many things. Commuting between the two counties weekly, gives a good insight between the two people's, and believe you me, there are lots of differences. As for the treble league success in the early to mid 70's, I was only referring to the league specifically as equalling the record, I never mentioned anything about the championship at all. Well I'm up there a lot longer was involved in club fare and l would have to still say you're mistaken. They must be winding you up.
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Post by southward on Mar 6, 2022 22:03:05 GMT
While the Mayo team would have earned my respect I would have to laugh at Mayo fans not respecting a Kerry side they beat once in 26 years in championship and have failed to win nearly twenty finals in a row. Kerry failed to get over the line in 2015 and twice in 2019. As regards the 2000s team. They won five All-Irelands in the decade and reached six finals in a row. Sure, Tyrone had the upper hand three times but Kerry would be there again the next year while Tyrone would be on the missing list after losing to Laois or someone like that. Not to mention that in our last championship meeting, Kerry hockeyed them out the gate. Not for the first time, the game was over by the short whistle.
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Post by Aodhan on Mar 6, 2022 23:39:06 GMT
While the Mayo team would have earned my respect I would have to laugh at Mayo fans not respecting a Kerry side they beat once in 26 years in championship and have failed to win nearly twenty finals in a row. Kerry failed to get over the line in 2015 and twice in 2019. As regards the 2000s team. They won five All-Irelands in the decade and reached six finals in a row. Sure, Tyrone had the upper hand three times but Kerry would be there again the next year while Tyrone would be on the missing list after losing to Laois or someone like that. Not to mention that in our last championship meeting, Kerry hockeyed them out the gate. Not for the first time, the game was over by the short whistle. Ah sure the poor craters were tired, there is always someone or something else to blame.
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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 7, 2022 8:20:15 GMT
You can disagree all you like with me, that's your prerogative, but I'm up there 19 year's, I'm down here every weekend and holiday time, so I'd have my ear to the ground more than anyone in making differentiations between both counties on many things. Commuting between the two counties weekly, gives a good insight between the two people's, and believe you me, there are lots of differences. As for the treble league success in the early to mid 70's, I was only referring to the league specifically as equalling the record, I never mentioned anything about the championship at all. Well I'm up there a lot longer was involved in club fare and l would have to still say you're mistaken. They must be winding you up. I'm not mistaken at all Exile, most definitely not. They don't do wind ups, as they would be different to us Kerry folk, sure I see the differences myself in my weekly commute between the counties that's where it's noticed most, not if you are up there all of the time or down in Kerry all of the time. I'm up and down every week since January 2003. Nobody else is doing that. I could write a book on it! in fact I am, but on other things too, that's a story for another day. Let's worry about ourselves anyway in Kerry. The game could go anyway next Saturday night Exile. Good to know that we are both not alone in being away in exile!!🤣😅.
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Post by thehermit on Mar 7, 2022 9:17:38 GMT
Let the Mayo hype train accelerate towards the bollards once again in 2022 and I hope the media and their own are all shouldering it towards its inevitable doom. I thought after last summer even Mayo fans might accept the fact this thing was never going to happen, but doubtless they'll have eradicated that from the memory and will be all hope and glory again come the summer.
I can't think of any other county's supporters that are so deluded and unbearable (well maybe Meath). I've seen them after we've tanked them in AI finals starting fights with Kerry supporters in the pub just because someone said hard luck. Then after FINALLY beating us in the replay in 17 they went to town, you'd swear they had actually achieved something since the 1950s. They are as bad in League games. I was in McHale Park two years ago for the last game before the lockdown. The abuse the middle aged couple sitting next to me were roaring at David Clifford was pathetic. Switched seats at half time to get away from them.
Have no time for their supporters to be honest, they deserve everything they get.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 11:06:09 GMT
Let the Mayo hype train accelerate towards the bollards once again in 2022 and I hope the media and their own are all shouldering it towards its inevitable doom. I thought after last summer even Mayo fans might accept the fact this thing was never going to happen, but doubtless they'll have eradicated that from the memory and will be all hope and glory again come the summer. I can't think of any other county's supporters that are so deluded and unbearable (well maybe Meath). I've seen them after we've tanked them in AI finals starting fights with Kerry supporters in the pub just because someone said hard luck. Then after FINALLY beating us in the replay in 17 they went to town, you'd swear they had actually achieved something since the 1950s. They are as bad in League games. I was in McHale Park two years ago for the last game before the lockdown. The abuse the middle aged couple sitting next to me were roaring at David Clifford was pathetic. Switched seats at half time to get away from them. Have no time for their supporters to be honest, they deserve everything they get. 100% I have to say some of the Mayo supporters are not the best, iv met some very decent Mayo people as well, I wonder has the lack of getting over the line twisted them somewhat! It would be interesting to observe their behaviour if they should ever win 1. Meath fans can be hard to listen to, and they seem to want to be dubs. I found some kildare supporters a bit nasty as well, I'd take no notice of Cork supporters at least they can beat us now and again and they can have the craic.
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Post by piggott on Mar 7, 2022 11:12:32 GMT
74 League winning team had 10 of 1975 winning All Ireland team. Those four leagues were won by a team in transition. Johnny Culloty was manager of Kerry for those 4 league titles?? and we damn near won the 1972 all ireland A few of the 1975 team had their teeth cut in 1973 and 1974 alright, was it as many as 10 though? possibly I suppose, Johnno and Brendan Lynch were around a while before 1975 Mahony, Deenihan, Johnno, Ger Keeffe, P O Se, P Lynch, Mickey Ned, Power, Sheehy, Egan, (10) B Lynch missing that year
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Post by buck02 on Mar 7, 2022 12:16:50 GMT
If Mayo get Cillian O Connor back and in the form he was in in 2020 then they will have a great chance of winning the AI this year. They will then have two good inside forwards to compliment their running game. Their backs are good defenders and great as attacking options.
I think Saturday will be rehearsal of the all Ireland final. Mayo have a good record in Kerry in the league (and we have a good record in Castlebar) so am expecting a cracking game on Saturday. I hope the teams are not tired after a heavy block of training.
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Post by southward on Mar 7, 2022 13:01:51 GMT
Feck it anyway, weather's given bad for the rest of the week. It was great up until the week the League started, then it went to the dogs. Except, of course, for the weekend just gone when there was no game.
Always seems to be crap weather when we play Mayo. Their collective misery must affect the atmosphere somehow.
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Post by mayofan1 on Mar 7, 2022 14:27:12 GMT
Well lads. Looking forward to the game Saturday night in Tralee. I believe it’s sold out or very close to it. League games between Mayo and Kerry are generally very close and can go either way. To be honest I’ve been surprised at our league form so far and delighted to be safe in division 1 so early as we are usually scraping for a win coming down the home stretch. Horan has not been afraid to throw the new young lads in but his decision making and tactical planning still worries me. That long diagonal ball into McShane for the goal in the final was predicated by a mate of mine on the train up the morning of the final. That defeat has certainly left a sour taste in my mouth and as someone above said, made us wonder us wonder if we will ever win the bloody thing. I wouldn’t be confident of finally ending the famine this year either although if we had Tommy Conroy available I would have been quietly confident as his direct running and speed is a massive loss for us. As for Kerry, my opinion is ye have the most naturally gifted players in the country at the minute, from midfield up anyway. Probably a bit lose at the back and our half back line v the Kerry half forward line will be the key battle. What we would give to have a player like David Clifford who is worth the admission price alone. Anyway hopefully this game is a dress rehearsal for a championship battle later in the year. A draw might suit both teams at this stage Note: sorry to see so many posters with bad experiences of Mayo fans. I can assure you the majority of us are decent skins who love our team but also appreciate good football of which Kerry always play.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 14:41:19 GMT
Of course it's wrong to generalise but we can only go from our experiences and I'm afraid I have to admit Mayo supporters can be nasty. Of course many are very decent and Kerry and Mayo have strong bonds but from my experience as a rule their supporters are some of the worst I've come across. Every county has sore losers bad winners and idiots including our own and many great supporters but unfortunately we remember the worst. My Dublin buddies also think Mayo have the worst supporters. In my time I've met bad supporters from Armagh Dublin Cork Mayo Kildare but in general most are grand. When you attend a match as a neutral you really notice how bad some supporters are. The worst I ever came across were Roscommon supporters when they were playing Mayo in croker a few years back. Pure venom but the next worst were Mayo. I often was hoping Mayo would do well but then turned off them during games because of some of their fans. I wanted Cork to beat Mayo in 89 because they're our neighbours and a Munster team Mick. That 89 Mayo team were very likeable with fat Larry and McHale, and when they came back in 96 I wanted them to beat Meath but alas no joy. They had a lovely team in the mid noughts but that all changed in 2011, when we played them in the semifinal they were filthy, we were no angels but my god that game there was a lot of Mayo anger poured out against our players, I'd still shout for them if they're playing the dubs but that's all.
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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 7, 2022 16:24:53 GMT
Well lads. Looking forward to the game Saturday night in Tralee. I believe it’s sold out or very close to it. League games between Mayo and Kerry are generally very close and can go either way. To be honest I’ve been surprised at our league form so far and delighted to be safe in division 1 so early as we are usually scraping for a win coming down the home stretch. Horan has not been afraid to throw the new young lads in but his decision making and tactical planning still worries me. That long diagonal ball into McShane for the goal in the final was predicated by a mate of mine on the train up the morning of the final. That defeat has certainly left a sour taste in my mouth and as someone above said, made us wonder us wonder if we will ever win the bloody thing. I wouldn’t be confident of finally ending the famine this year either although if we had Tommy Conroy available I would have been quietly confident as his direct running and speed is a massive loss for us. As for Kerry, my opinion is ye have the most naturally gifted players in the country at the minute, from midfield up anyway. Probably a bit lose at the back and our half back line v the Kerry half forward line will be the key battle. What we would give to have a player like David Clifford who is worth the admission price alone. Anyway hopefully this game is a dress rehearsal for a championship battle later in the year. A draw might suit both teams at this stage Note: sorry to see so many posters with bad experiences of Mayo fans. I can assure you the majority of us are decent skins who love our team but also appreciate good football of which Kerry always play. Beautiful post Mayofan1. Lovely read.😇💯👍. Thank you for those kind words. Like an orchard, every county will have good and bad supporters, there'll always be a few rotten apples, but that's not every apple. Got to see the good in people and GAA folk up and down the country. We're all the same biology, regardless of our ideology. 👍 Go raibh míle maith agat. You are welcome.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 7, 2022 16:36:52 GMT
I wonder how representative our mood on here is of the mood inside our camp - some high profile manager (maybe Jacko'c?) commentated lately to the effect that it bears no relationship, i.e. more fake news. Maybe rumours are out out to have us self destruct as cannon fodder. Now the Ballythefireside culture would be strong on using our imaginations but people shouldn't let it run away with us, well not when in serious conversation. Reading Marty Morrisey's book he is death on 1. GAA Paywalls and 2. The restricted access to players to get a feel for, well the mood. I agree with him 100% - the GAA is a community sport and I think they need to loosen up a bit. Colm O'Rourke writing in last Sunday's Sindo alleged that mental health was farmed out to the GAA and if that is only partly true, and I believe it is more than that, then Pay-per-view is the equivalent of it being Private Health care for all. Now I am not a left winger but this is so so wrong and I feel so sorry for our veterans who gave freely of their time in eras of less abundance that today and now they are being cut off from viewing the sport they love, that they helped to make into what it is. What with rural isolation, unsafe urban streets after dark, Covid, and then the depressing situation with our fellow democrats in Ukraine. HQ need to cut people a bit of slack here and it is as much policy as individual decision - it is a voluntary sport and that should define how it is delivered to the community. Never seen such interest on here in a League match, ye'll drive us all feckin mad if ye don't stop - still it's great so keep it up. Ah Mayo supporters are grand and every county has a few nutters, sure wasn't I attacked by Dessie Farrel's mammy and daddy of night in a pub over some comment I made on here if you don't mind, about the GPA. All reminds a bit of local lady at Listowel races way back batin a Dub player over the head with her handbag, all over a tackle in the AI final the previous Sunday - those were the days! Ah 'twas gas, talk of the week, and sure wasn't our Kerry player delighted that she got revenge for him, poor hoor was shamed, told me he was slagged off for years after as he'd meet his opponent before throw in. Now that's women for you, standing by their men! They might bate us but not our women! What makes this encounter special, the one on the field without the handbags, is that we play similar styles, purist stuff, so it will be all good, easier on the eye and exciting to-boot, won't be much in it. Is it my football-starved imagination or what but are this League's games of an abnormally higher standard, even when you take the Dubs out of it, they being the only team without a draw too? And we have 3 of our best coming right up, must be a dozen interesting encounters to go, jazus we'll be winded before the Championship starts, grounds to push it back a bit? Enjoy and keep up the windy talk, I'm loving it - now no handbags please!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 7, 2022 16:52:48 GMT
A few things here that strike me , most counties talent ebb and flow a good crop of players arrive together and drive each other on are mainstays and then tend to exit around the same time robbing the team of leaders as they have been so reliant on 5 to 7 players for such a long time. In the early 2000s there was Kerry armagh Tyrone and briefly Meath and Galway (As those great teams declined). Then cork replaced armagh around 06/07 As the 3rd team competing to be replaced by the dublin of Connolly, brogans etc. Donegal for a few years also rose to challenge and win one. The constant from I would say 97 to 15 was Kerry always competitive always reaching semis(2010 and 12 being exceptions post backdoor). My main point is look how long it has taken those teams to recover if they have at all. Armagh only now have a decent ish team who may have a chance in Ulster, Meath and cork might very well ( and deservedly be playing in d3 next year and in corks case 2nd time in 4 years) Galway have barely made a splash in the championship since 01 a couple of semis may be at best Donegal are on the slide big time in my opinion and once the great Murphy is gone will struggle in d1 and Ulster not to mind the ai series. Even dublin who had about three waves of serious players are now finding the going tough. Far from being soft or mentally weak in the years post 09 /10 As the great names slipped into the pantheon of kerry greats we kept at it I don't think the 2014 team gets the credit they deserve talk about balls to come from 5 down in last few minutes to draw and then win an absolute battle in limerick by sheer will then fitzmaurice outhhought the most heralded manager that ever won one all ireland. We weren't far off in most years throughout that time when you consider how far off sone of the other teams have been Meath and Galway since 01, armagh since 06, Tyrone 08 until last year or 2, cork since 2010. Dublin should come back faster and probably wouldn't be in as bad a shape if mannion and particularly mcaffrey were still available but nothing is guaranteed in sport or life just look at man Utd ten years without a title and by the looks of it could be another ten. In 2019 Clifford ,o shea Tom sull etc were young and stood up aswell as they could against the best dublin team (Maybe all) and no startled earwigs were they , that gives me belief in them. A lot of people thought that re Dun na nGall but they pulled a win vs Tyrone out of nowhere so no, they haven't gone away you know! Bonnar wasn't popular from the outset but he hasn't done anything wrong really and as for Murphy's 'demise', there is life in the auld dog yet. They can win Ulster, the hardest, maybe the only competitive provincial competition. Oisin Gallen looked a million dollars in Ballybofey and there are a few more on a similar trajectory. I laughed when some had goalie Shaun Patton up there with the best but it looks like I am proved wrong, his keeping and placed kicks are noteworthy - and yes, we could take a few tips from them on this. If they were horses they'd be done under the non-triers rule vs us - they knew better and kept the powder dry for Tyrone 7 days later and it worked, unlikely that they'd win both so picked the right one and, as I said, it was a surge out of nowhere at the death in Ballybofey that go 'em over the line. They are nice to watch and ah sure I'm a biteen of a Dgaller at this stage, just a biteen! I think this squad are 20 functional players with broad skills, albeit a few stars but stars with broad skills. Gallen has really filled out and the next time against Mayo I think he will be the only wheel-barrowing laddos up and down the green - so write 'us' off at your peril, that suits 'us' just fine!
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 7, 2022 16:58:24 GMT
Now that Div 1 status has been secured I wouldn't mind some defeats in the league. We learn little from wins especially easy wins as was the case for 6 of our 7 league/c'ship games last year prior to the semifinal. I think we learned from our draw with Dublin last year and our draw with Kildare this year and hopefully a lot from our loss to Tyrone last year.
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Post by mayofan1 on Mar 7, 2022 18:05:40 GMT
Mayo fan 1. Welcome aboard. On Mayo fans unfortunately I have seen a bad side of some of them over the years but in fairness there are so many (as Mayo s support is best in the country) I suppose I'm bound to meet the bad ones too. Funny enough my bad experiences of Mayo have never been against Kerry but when I was watching them play Dublin lots of times Cork Donegal and even Laois. I also have met some great Mayo supporters and my best friend is a Mayo man and we travel to many games together. As I've stated earlier the worst I came across was Roscommon when they were playing Mayo a few years ago. On Mayo s team. They are going well but like ourselves I would nt get too carried away yet. When I expect from Mayo they usually fall and when I write them off they deliver. I always liked Horan as a manager altho many from Mayo are nt gone on him. One thing I will say is it was Horan that made Mayo a hard tough team. I remember talking to an ex Kerry player who played against Mayo in 2011 semi final and he said watch out for Mayo. They will win an all ireland or 2 in the next few years. I asked why? And he said Mayo always had footballers but they were very soft physically. He said they had huge men down the years but when they got hard bangs they did nt want to know. He said Horan has put steel into them and he was very sore after the semi. He said now they gave become tough but fair. Now I know his prediction was wrong but they did come very close and should have won at least 2 all Irelands. Mayo to me though are an enigma. Capable of beating Dublin Kerry Tyrone etc but also might lose to inferior teams. In the last decade Mayo s big problem was scoring forwards and that seems to have improved big time. Conroy a loss but Cillian should be back soon. Hope you not offended by my views Mayo man and the best of luck to you and Mayo. No offence taken. I’ve had bad experiences of other county fans too but I wouldn’t judge an entire county on it. We have attached a fair bandwagon over the last decade of event junkies who wouldn’t be able find the gates of their local club. Anyway that’s one of the downsides of “success” or in our case consistently getting to semi finals and finals. My aunt had a bottle of water fired at her on the hill in 2013. Those matches really got nasty in the stands at one stage but appears to have fizzled out thankfully. I do agree with the poster that all the defeats have mentally scarred or driven mental some Mayo fans. The less said about Roscommon fans the better.
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Post by mayofan1 on Mar 7, 2022 19:23:08 GMT
I agree and the two week build up to an all Ireland final is like 14 Christmas eves but having witnessed us lose so many finals I just want it done at this stage. My first ever game in Croke Park that my father brought me to was the 1996 semi final v Kerry. I remember us paying cash at the turnstiles. I’ve been back countless times since and had some great days but for just once I’d love to see us come home with the silverware. Anyway we live in hope.
I do think Kerry are primed to take over as the number one team in Ireland very soon. I just hope we can sneak one too. One would do.
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