NFL Rnd 5 Kerry vs Mayo, Tralee, Sat March 12th @ 7.30pm

[Ballyfireside]

Mar 6, 2022 20:53:38 GMT dc84 said:

A few things here that strike me , most counties talent ebb and flow a good crop of players arrive together and drive each other on are mainstays and then tend to exit around the same time robbing the team of leaders as they have been so reliant on 5 to 7 players for such a long time.
In the early 2000s there was Kerry armagh Tyrone and briefly Meath and Galway (As those great teams declined). Then cork replaced armagh around 06/07 As the 3rd team competing to be replaced by the dublin of Connolly, brogans etc. Donegal for a few years also rose to challenge and win one.
The constant from I would say 97 to 15 was Kerry always competitive always reaching semis(2010 and 12 being exceptions post backdoor). My main point is look how long it has taken those teams to recover if they have at all. Armagh only now have a decent ish team who may have a chance in Ulster, Meath and cork might very well ( and deservedly be playing in d3 next year and in corks case 2nd time in 4 years) Galway have barely made a splash in the championship since 01 a couple of semis may be at best Donegal are on the slide big time in my opinion and once the great Murphy is gone will struggle in d1 and Ulster not to mind the ai series. Even dublin who had about three waves of serious players are now finding the going tough. Far from being soft or mentally weak in the years post 09 /10 As the great names slipped into the pantheon of kerry greats we kept at it I don't think the 2014 team gets the credit they deserve talk about balls to come from 5 down in last few minutes to draw and then win an absolute battle in limerick by sheer will then fitzmaurice outhhought the most heralded manager that ever won one all ireland.
We weren't far off in most years throughout that time when you consider how far off sone of the other teams have been Meath and Galway since 01, armagh since 06, Tyrone 08 until last year or 2, cork since 2010. Dublin should come back faster and probably wouldn't be in as bad a shape if mannion and particularly mcaffrey were still available but nothing is guaranteed in sport or life just look at man Utd ten years without a title and by the looks of it could be another ten.
In 2019 Clifford ,o shea Tom sull etc were young and stood up aswell as they could against the best dublin team (Maybe all) and no startled earwigs were they , that gives me belief in them.

A lot of people thought that re Dun na nGall but they pulled a win vs Tyrone out of nowhere so no, they haven't gone away you know! Bonnar wasn't popular from the outset but he hasn't done anything wrong really and as for Murphy's 'demise', there is life in the auld dog yet.

They can win Ulster, the hardest, maybe the only competitive provincial competition. Oisin Gallen looked a million dollars in Ballybofey and there are a few more on a similar trajectory. I laughed when some had goalie Shaun Patton up there with the best but it looks like I am proved wrong, his keeping and placed kicks are noteworthy - and yes, we could take a few tips from them on this. If they were horses they'd be done under the non-triers rule vs us - they knew better and kept the powder dry for Tyrone 7 days later and it worked, unlikely that they'd win both so picked the right one and, as I said, it was a surge out of nowhere at the death in Ballybofey that go 'em over the line.

They are nice to watch and ah sure I'm a biteen of a Dgaller at this stage, just a biteen! I think this squad are 20 functional players with broad skills, albeit a few stars but stars with broad skills. Gallen has really filled out and the next time against Mayo I think he will be the only wheel-barrowing laddos up and down the green - so write 'us' off at your peril, that suits 'us' just fine!

[Jo90]

Now that Div 1 status has been secured I wouldn't mind some defeats in the league.
We learn little from wins especially easy wins as was the case for 6 of our 7 league/c'ship games last year prior to the semifinal.
I think we learned from our draw with Dublin last year and our draw with Kildare this year and hopefully a lot from our loss to Tyrone last year.

[ciarraimick]

Mayo fan 1. Welcome aboard. On Mayo fans unfortunately I have seen a bad side of some of them over the years but in fairness there are so many (as Mayo s support is best in the country) I suppose I'm bound to meet the bad ones too. Funny enough my bad experiences of Mayo have never been against Kerry but when I was watching them play Dublin lots of times Cork Donegal and even Laois. I also have met some great Mayo supporters and my best friend is a Mayo man and we travel to many games together. As I've stated earlier the worst I came across was Roscommon when they were playing Mayo a few years ago. On Mayo s team. They are going well but like ourselves I would nt get too carried away yet. When I expect from Mayo they usually fall and when I write them off they deliver. I always liked Horan as a manager altho many from Mayo are nt gone on him. One thing I will say is it was Horan that made Mayo a hard tough team. I remember talking to an ex Kerry player who played against Mayo in 2011 semi final and he said watch out for Mayo. They will win an all ireland or 2 in the next few years. I asked why? And he said Mayo always had footballers but they were very soft physically. He said they had huge men down the years but when they got hard bangs they did nt want to know. He said Horan has put steel into them and he was very sore after the semi. He said now they gave become tough but fair. Now I know his prediction was wrong but they did come very close and should have won at least 2 all Irelands. Mayo to me though are an enigma. Capable of beating Dublin Kerry Tyrone etc but also might lose to inferior teams. In the last decade Mayo s big problem was scoring forwards and that seems to have improved big time. Conroy a loss but Cillian should be back soon. Hope you not offended by my views Mayo man and the best of luck to you and Mayo.

[mayofan1]

Mar 7, 2022 17:54:05 GMT ciarraimick said:

Mayo fan 1. Welcome aboard. On Mayo fans unfortunately I have seen a bad side of some of them over the years but in fairness there are so many (as Mayo s support is best in the country) I suppose I'm bound to meet the bad ones too. Funny enough my bad experiences of Mayo have never been against Kerry but when I was watching them play Dublin lots of times Cork Donegal and even Laois. I also have met some great Mayo supporters and my best friend is a Mayo man and we travel to many games together. As I've stated earlier the worst I came across was Roscommon when they were playing Mayo a few years ago. On Mayo s team. They are going well but like ourselves I would nt get too carried away yet. When I expect from Mayo they usually fall and when I write them off they deliver. I always liked Horan as a manager altho many from Mayo are nt gone on him. One thing I will say is it was Horan that made Mayo a hard tough team. I remember talking to an ex Kerry player who played against Mayo in 2011 semi final and he said watch out for Mayo. They will win an all ireland or 2 in the next few years. I asked why? And he said Mayo always had footballers but they were very soft physically. He said they had huge men down the years but when they got hard bangs they did nt want to know. He said Horan has put steel into them and he was very sore after the semi. He said now they gave become tough but fair. Now I know his prediction was wrong but they did come very close and should have won at least 2 all Irelands. Mayo to me though are an enigma. Capable of beating Dublin Kerry Tyrone etc but also might lose to inferior teams. In the last decade Mayo s big problem was scoring forwards and that seems to have improved big time. Conroy a loss but Cillian should be back soon. Hope you not offended by my views Mayo man and the best of luck to you and Mayo.

No offence taken. I’ve had bad experiences of other county fans too but I wouldn’t judge an entire county on it. We have attached a fair bandwagon over the last decade of event junkies who wouldn’t be able find the gates of their local club. Anyway that’s one of the downsides of “success” or in our case consistently getting to semi finals and finals.

My aunt had a bottle of water fired at her on the hill in 2013. Those matches really got nasty in the stands at one stage but appears to have fizzled out thankfully. I do agree with the poster that all the defeats have mentally scarred or driven mental some Mayo fans. The less said about Roscommon fans the better.

[ciarraimick]

Mayofan1. The irony of it all is Mayo fans are very lucky and maybe they don't realise it. Winning the all ireland is special even a relief but there is a great buzz getting there too and being part of the build up and the big day. I get over a final loss quicker than a semi final. When the final is over after a week we start looking forward to a new year again. Many counties are nt so lucky and never make a final. I remember as a boy driving up the county to the all Irelands with my Dad and passing through towns like Portlaoise and saying to my father "what do the poor people of Laois do every year" meaning are the bored as their team not ever in an all ireland. That was my mentality then as I was spoiled with Kerry s run of success. Mayo might not have got Sam since 51 but they have had some great journeys along the way that Leitrim Sligo Louth Wicklow and many other counties are not getting. As I always say "enjoy the journey". Thanks for posts Mayoman.

[mayofan1]

I agree and the two week build up to an all Ireland final is like 14 Christmas eves but having witnessed us lose so many finals I just want it done at this stage. My first ever game in Croke Park that my father brought me to was the 1996 semi final v Kerry. I remember us paying cash at the turnstiles. I’ve been back countless times since and had some great days but for just once I’d love to see us come home with the silverware. Anyway we live in hope.

I do think Kerry are primed to take over as the number one team in Ireland very soon. I just hope we can sneak one too. One would do.

[ciarraimick]

Well Mayoman Ye have the talent so it might happen sooner than you think but believe me when it does one won't do. Its like giving the child the first like of ice cream and when they like the taste they always want more but that's the beauty of sport.

[exiled]

I have to laugh at all the comments here re supporters of different counties being bad losers bad winners or just bad. Maybe sometimes the hardest place to look is in the mirror. A lot of us are no angel's either. I remember reading the great Con Houlihan once on the Kerry supporters think they have God given right to win and so they don't respect the opposition or other supporters. Well I can tell you that after over 30 years in Mayo they love their football just as much as us. I've worked all over and converse with supporters from many counties and have met very few bad REAL supporters. Every county has it's rotten eggs.. I've been attacked in Dublin after matches back in 70s 80s and was lucky not to end up in hospital but they were gurriers and not real Dub supporters who I always found to be a great craic.Having travelled a lot I can tell you that basically people are very similar.

[peanuts]

Mar 7, 2022 22:18:52 GMT exiled said:

I have to laugh at all the comments here re supporters of different counties being bad losers bad winners or just bad. Maybe sometimes the hardest place to look is in the mirror. A lot of us are no angel's either. I remember reading the great Con Houlihan once on the Kerry supporters think they have God given right to win and so they don't respect the opposition or other supporters. Well I can tell you that after over 30 years in Mayo they love their football just as much as us. I've worked all over and converse with supporters from many counties and have met very few bad REAL supporters. Every county has it's rotten eggs.. I've been attacked in Dublin after matches back in 70s 80s and was lucky not to end up in hospital but they were gurriers and not real Dub supporters who I always found to be a great craic.Having travelled a lot I can tell you that basically people are very similar.

Well said

[thepromisedland]

Mar 7, 2022 22:18:52 GMT exiled said:

I have to laugh at all the comments here re supporters of different counties being bad losers bad winners or just bad. Maybe sometimes the hardest place to look is in the mirror. A lot of us are no angel's either. I remember reading the great Con Houlihan once on the Kerry supporters think they have God given right to win and so they don't respect the opposition or other supporters. Well I can tell you that after over 30 years in Mayo they love their football just as much as us. I've worked all over and converse with supporters from many counties and have met very few bad REAL supporters. Every county has it's rotten eggs.. I've been attacked in Dublin after matches back in 70s 80s and was lucky not to end up in hospital but they were gurriers and not real Dub supporters who I always found to be a great craic.Having travelled a lot I can tell you that basically people are very similar.

Well said. I endorse that fully. We are all learning and being tolerant until the day we die. Different strokes for different folks.

[mossie]

Mar 7, 2022 22:18:52 GMT exiled said:

I have to laugh at all the comments here re supporters of different counties being bad losers bad winners or just bad. Maybe sometimes the hardest place to look is in the mirror. A lot of us are no angel's either. I remember reading the great Con Houlihan once on the Kerry supporters think they have God given right to win and so they don't respect the opposition or other supporters. Well I can tell you that after over 30 years in Mayo they love their football just as much as us. I've worked all over and converse with supporters from many counties and have met very few bad REAL supporters. Every county has it's rotten eggs.. I've been attacked in Dublin after matches back in 70s 80s and was lucky not to end up in hospital but they were gurriers and not real Dub supporters who I always found to be a great craic.Having travelled a lot I can tell you that basically people are very similar.

well said, some of the commentary on Mayo\Mayo supporters is a bit ott on this thread

I was cheering for Mayo in the final last year and is we dont lift Sam in 2022 , I hope Mayo do

[taggert]

Hope to see Dylan and Tony start again Saturday night as we need plenty options we can trust for the bigger games later in the year.

Any update on White, Moran, Joe O'C et al and how far they are from returning?

Anyway, hope we learn plenty against Mayo and if that means losing in the process, so be it.

[ciarraimick]

Oh look on the supporters thing I agree 100%.We are as bad as everyon and maybe worse. I mean we turned against Tyrone in the noughties(how dare they beat us) they using false methods. Then it's the Dubs we hate
Let's look in the mirror. We no angels either. Oh Tyone were nasty well so we're we. We won many a game by nasty elements. I like yo look at things evenly and yes I admit Kerry won games too by foul means.

[royalkerryfan]

Mar 7, 2022 23:32:32 GMT taggert said:

Hope to see Dylan and Tony start again Saturday night as we need plenty options we can trust for the bigger games later in the year.

Any update on White, Moran, Joe O'C et al and how far they are from returning?

Anyway, hope we learn plenty against Mayo and if that means losing in the process, so be it.

Just listening to JOD podcast and he said Dan O'Donoghue calf and Paul Murphy hammer look like they are out.

I'd imagine casey will start in that case.

[ciarraimick]

Hopefully short term injuries. Any word on Gavin White?

[royalkerryfan]

Mar 8, 2022 10:34:42 GMT ciarraimick said:

Hopefully short term injuries. Any word on Gavin White?

He's still out too Mick according according to podcast.

Hopefully they are short term as Dan looks like the find of the year for us.

[horsebox77]

Mar 8, 2022 10:30:00 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Mar 7, 2022 23:32:32 GMT taggert said:

Hope to see Dylan and Tony start again Saturday night as we need plenty options we can trust for the bigger games later in the year.

Any update on White, Moran, Joe O'C et al and how far they are from returning?

Anyway, hope we learn plenty against Mayo and if that means losing in the process, so be it.

Just listening to JOD podcast and he said Dan O'Donoghue calf and Paul Murphy hammer look like they are out.

I'd imagine casey will start in that case.

Have you link to Podcast?

[royalkerryfan]

open.spotify.com/episode/4cBPt1vuLDoWaeS8KoaO3s?si=iMWoCqaWTU2dJjYxhioUUA&utm_source=copy-link

There you go horse

[ciarraimick]

RoyalKerry. You ré dead right there. Dan has been some find.

[Deleted]

I'd be happy enough to see Dylan against Mayo and hopefully Dan will be OK for Armagh.

And iv got a feeling that Tony B will have a great game against Mayo.

[royalkerryfan]

Yes I'd like to see Dylan in against Mayo.

Tralee lad playing at home so that should help him.

He got booked early last week so he needs to learn from that.

He looked very unimpressed at HT last week so hopefully he takes that learning and has a good game on Sat.

[horsebox77]

I suspect, there will be maybe one but possibly no changes from the team that started up in Inniskeen.

I envisage; Ryan, Casey, Foley, Tom Sull, Crowley, Morley, O’Beagloich, Barry, O’Connor, Spillane, Seanie, Moynihan, DC, Geaney and Paudie. The only change may be Geaney/Brosnan/Killian.

Would like to see more game time for Graham O’Sullivan. In the absence of Murphy, Dan O’Donoghue, White and Breen, if Graham isn’t getting a look in at this juncture, well then I suspect his days may be numbered.

Midfield back up is still a worry for me…

[horsebox77]

Mar 8, 2022 11:36:29 GMT royalkerryfan said:

open.spotify.com/episode/4cBPt1vuLDoWaeS8KoaO3s?si=iMWoCqaWTU2dJjYxhioUUA&utm_source=copy-link

There you go horse

Thanks RoyalKerryFan, appreciate it.

[Deleted]

Mar 8, 2022 13:56:00 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Yes I'd like to see Dylan in against Mayo.

Tralee lad playing at home so that should help him.

He got booked early last week so he needs to learn from that.

He looked very unimpressed at HT last week so hopefully he takes that learning and has a good game on Sat.

I'd say Dylan is young and a bit eager to lay down a marker, he'll earn his salt on Saturday night if he gets the nod, it's a great test in fairness.

[Deleted]

Mar 8, 2022 15:09:46 GMT horsebox77 said:

I suspect, there will be maybe one but possibly no changes from the team that started up in Inniskeen.

I envisage; Ryan, Casey, Foley, Tom Sull, Crowley, Morley, O’Beagloich, Barry, O’Connor, Spillane, Seanie, Moynihan, DC, Geaney and Paudie. The only change may be Geaney/Brosnan/Killian.

Would like to see more game time for Graham O’Sullivan. In the absence of Murphy, Dan O’Donoghue, White and Breen, if Graham isn’t getting a look in at this juncture, well then I suspect his days may be numbered.

Midfield back up is still a worry for me…

horse I'd go with starting Tony B and save Geaney for the second half, it would be great to see a few options appear for midfield as back up for Barry and O'connor.

[ciarraimick]

I would say Murphy will be vack in goals. Jack seems to be rotating the keepers and maybe instead of every game he changing every two games. Surely Casey will get another chance too.

[thepromisedland]

Mar 8, 2022 0:43:52 GMT ciarraimick said:

Oh look on the supporters thing I agree 100%.We are as bad as everyon and maybe worse. I mean we turned against Tyrone in the noughties(how dare they beat us) they using false methods. Then it's the Dubs we hate
Let's look in the mirror. We no angels either. Oh Tyone were nasty well so we're we. We won many a game by nasty elements. I like yo look at things evenly and yes I admit Kerry won games too by foul means.

Down through the years we'd have a better reputation than most as being generally nice supporters, not as much in recent years perhaps. Maybe in Con Houlihan's time and words way back, but on my experiences, I would definitely not agree with his words, God be good to his soul. but growing up in the 80's and 90's and going to Kerry games a lot, most definitely not. If anything, we were way too quiet and hopelessly outnumbered at games.

[dano]

I've been to 10 All Ireland Finals involving Kerry and I can't ever remember a one where we weren't the least vocal supporters. A Munster Final in Killarney V Cork is maybe the one occasion when we up the tempo. Despite all that, Kerry have never suffered from not having a bandwagon of fair weather followers. They have 37 titles to show for their efforts. That's all that matters.
In fairness to Mayo, they have a right to be insufferable and angry at winners. It's a knee jerk reaction of the silverware deprived to be like that. We'd be exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot.
Con was a man of the people, saw the good in everyone and, more interestingly, in all nationalities. There was no prouder a Kerryman ever and it would have almost insulted him to see one of his own being nasty to anyone. The World needs a lot more Cons.
Fogra: " He Had A Deep Kerry Accent, You Could Hear The Turf In It!" ( An Irish Times journalist's tribute to Con)

[Annascaultilidie]

Mar 8, 2022 16:24:04 GMT thepromisedland said:

Mar 8, 2022 0:43:52 GMT ciarraimick said:

Oh look on the supporters thing I agree 100%.We are as bad as everyon and maybe worse. I mean we turned against Tyrone in the noughties(how dare they beat us) they using false methods. Then it's the Dubs we hate
Let's look in the mirror. We no angels either. Oh Tyone were nasty well so we're we. We won many a game by nasty elements. I like yo look at things evenly and yes I admit Kerry won games too by foul means.

Down through the years we'd have a better reputation than most as being generally nice supporters, not as much in recent years perhaps. Maybe in Con Houlihan's time and words way back, but on my experiences, I would definitely not agree with his words, God be good to his soul. but growing up in the 80's and 90's and going to Kerry games a lot, most definitely not. If anything, we were way too quiet and hopelessly outnumbered at games.

Not known as particularly nice to our own #animals

[Ballyfireside]

I just left a wee condolence on RIP.ie re the late Paul Shefflin and I expressed sympathy, if unofficially, on this Forum's behalf. I don't know the etiquette, even if any exists, and I am certainly not portraying myself as an official representative in any way, just doing what my heart is telling me.

Part of me recalls a previous experience where someone I was at odds with over something insignificant, well in fact it was here in Donegal and, yes, it was Donaghy's goal that I scored again after a few of an evening in the local and the chest was out, only to be told politely where to shove my size 5 by the noble gent who passed away suddenly some time after.

Though I didn't know him personally I attended his funeral locally and having explained my experience to a stranger, I was ushered over to tell his grieving mother. Now I am not being a hero here but she got a right fit of the giggles, as what I was telling her summed up her beloved son, yes - he liked a chat, aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile, you got it!! If it only gave her a momentary lapse of grief then it was worth me taking the chance and so I took the liberty here with Paul Shefflin RIP.

If anyone has any further guidance here please don't hesitate to PM me - maybe moderator should do it though they might leave it to an official County Board condolence and I thought that through - this is just doing the right thing, not because it is procedure, I know in my heart and soul we all share the Shefflin's grief, and indeed that of Ballyhale and Kilkenny.

Ah maybe I'm explaining myself too much but I trust people understand given how sensitive we must be here.

RIP Paul Shefflin, raconteur and GAA man - apparently he was a real character while being but a rock to King, pity he wasn't a Kerry GAA Forum member, we'd have some crack as he was also windup merchant par excellence, a resource we could all do with when every forum member tells you 'shut up, you are wrong?'

P.S. There is no self-promotion here, I was fodder 20 years ago, national and a bit beyond!