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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 21, 2022 16:39:13 GMT
Monaghan really pushed up on Armagh’s kick out because they knew the Armagh goalie isn’t able to kick over the press. Monaghan dominated the first half because of it. Monaghan will surely really push up on our kick out too especially since Moran isn’t playing. I think it’s a great opportunity to see how Murphy would cope with it because we’ve seen a lot of Ryan in the last 2 years. Also Murphy’s biggest advantage over Ryan is his distance on his kick out. Murphy has the capability to kick it over the press. Well he played against Monaghan in Inniskeen when he was last on the panel and was under severe pressure on our kickouts. In his defence we had a makeshift midfield and we were badly exposed He went short on nearly every kick.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 21, 2022 19:22:33 GMT
I like the fact that Jack has hinted towards a sprinkling of newbies for the trip to Monaghan and whereas I look forward to same, being realistic we cannot just throw in a plethora of rookies and expect them to find their feet collectively.
The emergence of O'Donoghue has come about by playing with seasoned regulars who can communicate and build confidence and guide a new player through the half.
For this reason I wouldn't just blindly throw in bodies, the key is balanced variation. My preferred HB line come serious ball is Breen-Morley-White, unfortunately injury will temporarily rob us of this option.
Jack has rested DC to a degree, I think Seanie should be afforded the same luxury next outing as he played midfield for the three McGrath Cup games and Kildare before released to his natural forty position last two games.
Anyway my 'balanced variation XV' for Monaghan would be;
Ryan, O'Donoghue, Foley, Casey, Tom Sull, Morley, O'Beagleoich, Diarmuid & Jack, Spillane, Paudie, Moynihan, Killian, Geaney and Brosnan.
That still leaves you Murphy, Crowley and Graham for defence, Horan for mid field and O'Brien, Savage, DC and Seanie for forwards.. we are still light on midfield cover and this was very evident when Spillane went of last quarter against Donegal.
In this regard I would question the likes of Paul, Adam Donoghue and Enna O'Conchuir's absence for cover even if only as a stop gap or interim measure
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 21, 2022 19:43:37 GMT
The one player I'd like to see start is Dylan Casey who I'd like to pick up Jack McCarron.
Casey Foley O'Donoghue
Give Tom O Sullivan a break.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 22, 2022 15:36:58 GMT
I agree RoyalKerry. While Dan and Jason and Morley have cemented their places I still want Jason and Dan to get more football. Tom Sull is a certainty for championship. I'd rest Tom Seanie and David for Monaghan game. We’d be up against it without Seanie and David. Seanie is arguably even more important to us than David, whenever he isn’t stationed at 11 we lack a link player. Seanie hasn’t played any Sigerson so I don’t think he’s in too much need of a rest. Using David from the bench again I think is the way to go and start Killian Spillane and Tony Brosnan inside together. These 2 need to gain confidence at this level and step up for us. I’d agree on letting Tom O’Sullivan sit out this one, I’d go for a straight swap between himself and Dylan Casey. I’d be looking for a response from Barry and Diarmuid O’Connor, neither had a great game last time out. With Moran, Joe O’Connor and Okunbor on the road to recovery it’s now or never for Barry to put his hand up for championship.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 22, 2022 15:37:04 GMT
Yes mick but it's small and you'd want to be early to get into it. It's a club ground really with decent enough facilities.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 16:12:23 GMT
I ve been to Clones but never to Inishkeen. Is there a stand there? it's a small stand Mick, get there early if you want to get in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 16:19:32 GMT
Lads whats with all ye wanting to rest players? Am I missing something? I don't remember this kind of things in years gone bye,
I was listening to radio Kerry on the way home after the game Sunday and Liam Brosnan mentioned that there were a lot of calls to rest David Clifford which he didn't agree with, he said Clifford was only too happy to play, that's grand if you want to p**s players off.
I have no doubt that we will lose the game on Sunday if we rest Clifford and O'Shea, and these lads don't like losing.
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Post by hatchetman on Feb 22, 2022 16:32:29 GMT
Lads whats with all ye wanting to rest players? Am I missing something? I don't remember this kind of things in years gone bye, I was listening to radio Kerry on the way home after the game Sunday and Liam Brosnan mentioned that there were a lot of calls to rest David Clifford which he didn't agree with, he said Clifford was only too happy to play, that's grand if you want to p**s players off. I have no doubt that we will lose the game on Sunday if we rest Clifford and O'Shea, and these lads don't like losing. It's a combination of keeping players fresh and hungry and giving other players, particularly new players, some game time. Dylan Casey might turn to be one of the best corner backs we have but, if injuries happen, you don't want him to be making his debut in the white heat of an all Ireland semi final or final.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 22, 2022 17:26:54 GMT
Trying David at 11 might be a good idea. If it was ever a case he wasn’t getting on enough ball inside we could switch himself and Seanie just to mix up. Starting him there against Monaghan to allow Spillane and Brosnan inside is something I wouldn’t mind seeing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 17:45:38 GMT
Lads whats with all ye wanting to rest players? Am I missing something? I don't remember this kind of things in years gone bye, I was listening to radio Kerry on the way home after the game Sunday and Liam Brosnan mentioned that there were a lot of calls to rest David Clifford which he didn't agree with, he said Clifford was only too happy to play, that's grand if you want to p**s players off. I have no doubt that we will lose the game on Sunday if we rest Clifford and O'Shea, and these lads don't like losing. It's a combination of keeping players fresh and hungry and giving other players, particularly new players, some game time. Dylan Casey might turn to be one of the best corner backs we have but, if injuries happen, you don't want him to be making his debut in the white heat of an all Ireland semi final or final. Ah fair enough, hatchetman, I never remember lads being asked to be rested years ago is all, this is knew to me.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 22, 2022 18:47:49 GMT
Lads whats with all ye wanting to rest players? Am I missing something? I don't remember this kind of things in years gone bye, I was listening to radio Kerry on the way home after the game Sunday and Liam Brosnan mentioned that there were a lot of calls to rest David Clifford which he didn't agree with, he said Clifford was only too happy to play, that's grand if you want to p**s players off. I have no doubt that we will lose the game on Sunday if we rest Clifford and O'Shea, and these lads don't like losing. It's a very condensed season not much of a gap To the championship this year any injury could rule a lad out , also the absolute state of the pitches and the weather while I wouldn't want any of the lads to be injured some id rather less than others ... As mentioned by someone else it's also about responsibility especially up front its too easy to just give it to David or seanie and let them do it or have Tom Sullivan always picking up the dangerman
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 22, 2022 19:27:33 GMT
Kingdom,
15 lads won't win us the All Ireland it'll take atleaat 20 lads.
We know what the likes of TOS will give us.
Let's put Casey on McCarron or McManus and see how he gets on.
Let's play Brosnan instead of Clifford and see if he can carry that responsibility.
Secondly for me I do want to see a greater emphasis on player welfare and wellbeing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 22:00:35 GMT
Kingdom, 15 lads won't win us the All Ireland it'll take atleaat 20 lads. We know what the likes of TOS will give us. Let's put Casey on McCarron or McManus and see how he gets on. Let's play Brosnan instead of Clifford and see if he can carry that responsibility. Secondly for me I do want to see a greater emphasis on player welfare and wellbeing. Royal I can understand trying out a few lads, but is player welfare not at the best it's ever been? These Kerry players played 8 intercounty games in 2020 and 8 intercounty games in 2021, there were lots of training bans and lockdowns. This year depending on how far we get, the intercounty seanon will be done by 24th of July we could possibly be gone out by the end of June depending on who we'll get in the quarter finals, that's hardly going to kill the boys and there is more games to training sessions as well.
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Post by fitz on Feb 22, 2022 22:53:23 GMT
As self anointed/appointed ‘The Great AK’ once said
Rest is rust
A lad can get injured at any time in the most innocuous of circumstances. The Chelsea player tonight that looked like he did his Achilles simply turning while standing.I’d be in favour of playing almost your best team and targeting 1 or two positions at most in a game for assessment of new potential occupant. Certainly flooding a team that will never play again together seems pointless. The league is better than Munster Championship, more competitive better opposition. Think you need to get 5 solid subs. So it’s ultimately a fine balancing act but I think you want to keep working on your team’s gel all the time. I’ll rest now
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 11:55:42 GMT
As self anointed/appointed ‘The Great AK’ once said Rest is rust A lad can get injured at any time in the most innocuous of circumstances. The Chelsea player tonight that looked like he did his Achilles simply turning while standing.I’d be in favour of playing almost your best team and targeting 1 or two positions at most in a game for assessment of new potential occupant. Certainly flooding a team that will never play again together seems pointless. The league is better than Munster Championship, more competitive better opposition. Think you need to get 5 solid subs. So it’s ultimately a fine balancing act but I think you want to keep working on your team’s gel all the time. I’ll rest now I think if you give players an excuse to not perform by saying they're over worked then it can be a bad thing. If they have a bad performance, people would be saying ah sure he's over worked instead of saying jays he'd a bad game, he wasn't at the level required on the day, but sure we all have bad days. Other Kerry players in the past had to work twice as hard as the lads today and nobody spoke about player welfare back then, you just got on with it. We're teaching young people to be soft and look for excuses for not working hard. But that's just my opinion.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 23, 2022 12:22:00 GMT
It doesn’t look like this game will be either televised or streamed. Very disappointing for a lot of people. GAAGO showed every game last year surely they could at the very least show any division 1 game not being televised this year.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 23, 2022 12:40:28 GMT
It doesn’t look like this game will be either televised or streamed. Very disappointing for a lot of people. GAAGO showed every game last year surely they could at the very least show any division 1 game not being televised this year. Yep and everyone of Dublins games has been televised. Although it's been a great watch.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 23, 2022 13:36:10 GMT
It doesn’t look like this game will be either televised or streamed. Very disappointing for a lot of people. GAAGO showed every game last year surely they could at the very least show any division 1 game not being televised this year. Yep and everyone of Dublins games has been televised. Although it's been a great watch. And are played on Saturday nights too. Sure you have to make things as easy as possible for the poor auld Dub fans - you can't be expecting them to play half way over the country at 2pm on a Sunday like the rest of us! And sure if its not televised they'd have to be braving the wind and rain like us culchies for that, the craters.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 23, 2022 14:04:47 GMT
Timmy and Ambrose it is so… in fairness as much as people give out about local Radio they broadcast all kerry games and report on all major local club matches… it’s a service that is often taken for granted.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 23, 2022 14:44:33 GMT
Timmy and Ambrose it is so… in fairness as much as people give out about local Radio they broadcast all kerry games and report on all major local club matches… it’s a service that is often taken for granted. 100%, I was only thinking as I posted my previous comment about what a Dublin fan does on that (all too rare) occasion when a game involving them is not on tv. I mean all the Dublin radio stations seem to be national stations so do any of them carry live commentary of Dublin GAA matches be they football, hurling or club? I know Tim and Ambrose have their detractors but we would be lost without them. And I have to say I think RK do a great job with their hurling coverage under Mike O'Halloran's commentary.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 23, 2022 18:44:14 GMT
Ref Kingdomboy
I'm very vocal on player welfare because I believe we need to mind our players and allow them to continue to play football along as they are healthy.
That can only be achieved by player management.
Just because a lad can play doesn't mean he necessarily should.
How old was Declan OSullivan when he retired? Forced out because he's knees were goosed.
Do you know how common hip replacement is for intercounty athletes?
Roy Keane recently said that he never minded himself they way he should have. That he played games when he shouldn't have. It would have perlonged his career if he had been smarter about listening to his body
I don't want to see Seanie or David or anyone retiring early because they've been flogged to that point.
Others may not agree but I strongly believe in it.
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Post by Corner Back on Feb 23, 2022 19:13:29 GMT
Radio Kerry ate great for the gaa but I do find Timmy a bit too biased. Ambrose while also a bit biased is much fairer. Timmy can only see one team. Gary Sullivan (have I correct name was excellent). There was a great clip from their commentary of the 16 semi final when Kerry cracked Cluxton s kickout before half time and we got two goals. Abmrose, the advocate of caveman tactics
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 19:37:20 GMT
Ref Kingdomboy I'm very vocal on player welfare because I believe we need to mind our players and allow them to continue to play football along as they are healthy. That can only be achieved by player management. Just because a lad can play doesn't mean he necessarily should. How old was Declan OSullivan when he retired? Forced out because he's knees were goosed. Do you know how common hip replacement is for intercounty athletes? Roy Keane recently said that he never minded himself they way he should have. That he played games when he shouldn't have. It would have perlonged his career if he had been smarter about listening to his body I don't want to see Seanie or David or anyone retiring early because they've been flogged to that point. Others may not agree but I strongly believe in it. that's fair enough royal, sure we all have our own beliefs. I believe we're gone soft though.
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Post by mike70 on Feb 23, 2022 19:46:02 GMT
I believe Sunday will be a big test for our keeper and midfield, after struggling last Sunday around the middle, I expect an even sterner test from the Monaghan MF, so it will be interesting to see how our keeper will adapt his kick outs to ensure we secure maximum possession from kick outs.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 23, 2022 19:51:00 GMT
I like Timmy but agree with comments on Ambrose, I often count the times he uses the same phrases.
I think Billy O'Shea is more balanced and a greater reader of the game than Liam Bros and John Kennedy. I always find the Killorglin man more insightful.
Brosnan and Ambrose are very pro Crokes where Billy is more neutral.
Dinny Long was often on TT and where I have great time for the man, often the contribution is ancestral. I would rather see younger input, the likes of Wayne Quinlivan for example would be an ideal fit.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 23, 2022 20:02:32 GMT
Ref Kingdomboy I'm very vocal on player welfare because I believe we need to mind our players and allow them to continue to play football along as they are healthy. That can only be achieved by player management. Just because a lad can play doesn't mean he necessarily should. How old was Declan OSullivan when he retired? Forced out because he's knees were goosed. Do you know how common hip replacement is for intercounty athletes? Roy Keane recently said that he never minded himself they way he should have. That he played games when he shouldn't have. It would have perlonged his career if he had been smarter about listening to his body I don't want to see Seanie or David or anyone retiring early because they've been flogged to that point. Others may not agree but I strongly believe in it. that's fair enough royal, sure we all have our own beliefs. I believe we're gone soft though. We do lad, But sure that keeps it interesting 👍
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 23, 2022 20:03:24 GMT
Tentatively the weather looks like it could be ok on Sunday.
A game of football might actually break out.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 23, 2022 20:35:46 GMT
Tentatively the weather looks like it could be ok on Sunday. A game of football might actually break out. After the last two outings I'd pay decent money for a dry day - maybe even a relatively mild one to boot
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 22:30:54 GMT
that's fair enough royal, sure we all have our own beliefs. I believe we're gone soft though. We do lad, But sure that keeps it interesting 👍 exactly, life would be pretty boring if we all thought that same.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 24, 2022 13:49:25 GMT
I did nt make it home for Dublin game but after Newbridge and Killarney it would be great to attend a game without trying to keep check g my toes are still there. While I was in the safety of the stand in Killarney I got soaked on my way in and could nt warm up. Same in Newbridge. P. G. Inishkeen won't be too bad. Ulster weather - I spared a gallon of petrol today, sliding down to Sligo - it looks settled too but in fairness forecast has been spot on, the mountains play a part in the weather here, like the whirlwind from the stands in Croker, some townlands get noticeably more rain than their neighbours, our South Kerry brethren might tell us more. Maybe Veteran remembers the weather from his days in UCC? BTW speaking of wisdom, no sign of Mandad, last post on Sep 12, 2021 at 8:21am - the greatest of the greatest forum contributors!
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