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Post by john4 on Feb 6, 2022 11:30:09 GMT
I thought Shane Murphy did fine given the conditions. The 'goal' was a freak occurrence with the ball being held up by the wind. I remember Shane Ryan had a few howlers too in the league under the high ball so its not as if it hasn't happened either keeper before. I assume after the break Ryan will get his two games and management might then make a decision as to who is their starting keeper. To be honest I have no problem who they pick. They are different types of players each with their own strengths. Depends what the management want from them. Is there a third option? Someone please tell me there's a third option.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 6, 2022 11:30:50 GMT
If Kerry meet Dublin in July, i'd about 8 of last nights Dublin side will see action that day. About half will not or will not start anyway. It's hard to see how Kerry will field a stronger team. DMoran may start or he may be held back. Shane Ryan may be in goal. Thats about it. There may be changes at wing forward as DM, SOS and Savage are chasing the same spot. GW will be at wing back. I would have preferred if Dublin had more of their definite starters playing last night but you can only play whats in front of you. Sufficient unto the day and all that but it would be a fooling man thats getting carried away. Gavin White and Mike Breen to come back into the half back line too. Lots of competition there now. Dublin have Fitzsimons, Cooper, McDaid/Murchan, McCarthy, O’Callaghan and Small/Costello to come into the championship team. So by my estimation they’ll have 9 of the team that started last night starting come championship which is a fairly high number. I don’t think they can hide too much behind “we had a very under strength side out”. I’m not sure Farrell is capable of turning it around, we’ll see. Some really big games coming up for them to try and avoid relegation, Mayo in Croke Park and Kildare in Newbridge. If Kilkenny, McCarthy or Fenton get injured they will really struggle
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Post by allrounder on Feb 6, 2022 11:35:27 GMT
It was all Paddy Tally's fault last week on here. No mention of him this week. Five games played, no goal conceded. And that's only with a months work. And how anyone could blame Shane Murphy for disallowed goal hasn't got a clue. The ball hit the upright above crossbar height, hit him in the head and went in to net. Are we expecting him to save points now as well. I thought Dublin goal should have stood and black card the offender afterwards.what if foul takes place two/three minutes before goal without being able to get refs attention, how far can ref go back to disallow it. Can any referee on here clear that up?
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Post by thepope on Feb 6, 2022 11:50:27 GMT
Good entertainment last night in awful conditions. Given the wind, the Dunnes end was the scoring goal and ultimately we made more of that advantage than the Dubs.
The disallowed Dublin goal was a massive turning point as well as the Kerry sideline ball that wasn't.
I still have a full-strength Dublin team as the team to beat this summer. At times last night we got a couple of glimpses of their speed on transition into attack, very impressive.
Lest people forget, the Dubs will walk into an All-Ireland semi and be 2 home games from winning it out. A team of proven winners and a system that still allows them to control the pace of a game and work good scoring opportunities for the likes of Rock, O'Callaghan etc.
Kerry did very well at times. Diarmuid O'Connor is going to be a super footballer. Plays game thinking ahead, in and out of possession.
I think O'Connor will soon be in the same elite category as Clifford, O'Shea and O'Sullivan. Those 4 would play for any inter-county team in the country.
Kerry overall look good when the gameplan is bearing fruit. However, we did poorly into the wind and 1 point (I think) is a very poor return. We could have maintained better control of the ball, forced the Dubs to come out and attack space that created. The Dubs were miles behind so we should have forced their hand in this regard. If the Dubs were that far ahead they'd have played keep ball all day if they wanted and not cared how it looked. We needlessly turned over some poor ball in the second half.
Looking ahead to the summer. I worry about our spread of scores, I could easily see a day when scores are mostly coming through Clifford, O'Shea and few others. We also still rely on players breaking too many tackles to make forward progress- this will result in turnover ball in the summer.
We don't create the kind of space the Dubs do for their forwards and rely on high skill moments from our forwards too often. Also I think we pass to a static receiver too often.
Plenty of room for improvement but if you asked me to put the family home on a Kerry all-ireland this summer, I wouldn't.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 6, 2022 11:52:28 GMT
I thought Dublin goal should have stood and black card the offender afterwards.what if foul takes place two/three minutes before goal without being able to get refs attention, how far can ref go back to disallow it. Can any referee on here clear that up? I would like it cleared up too. Maybe we get seamus darbys goal disallowed ...is it too late..ha ha
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Post by 1979 on Feb 6, 2022 11:52:37 GMT
What a difference a week makes (Jack Barry and DOC). A lot of us were pinning our hopes on young o connor and I think it's justified he is up there in the top bracket of players. I think the balance of the defence is better than last few years Morley and beaglaoich are so much better in hb line and o donoghue is a great addition a nice bit of bite in him! A lot of competition back there now with casey and white looking for jerseys aswell. Overall very cohesive effort from the backs again. we won midfield aswell i think people can see Adrian spillanes worth now surely? He is a big strong aggressive tackler who will fight on his back for kerry. Once we recognise his limitations ie he won't ever run a game like dara o se or Moran then he has a place in the squad. The forward line was good as we knew it would be once o shea took up his customary 11 position which freed paudie Clifford to play his own game. Having said all that we got a bit of the rub of the green with the disallowed goal that won't happen in dublins home pitch in the Summer. Also dublin were weak mentally and a look rudderless tbh. They have reinforcements to come in every line Cooper,Fitzsimons, mcarthy, paddy small, costello and O Callaghan will make a massive difference if they all come back... Fully agreed on A Spillane. We need someone around the middle that will put his body on the line and be a thorn in the opposition side. Does anyone know if Breen could play a similar role? He had a very solid debut season up to the Tyrone game last year, and could bring a good combination of physicality and football to the role.
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Post by veteran on Feb 6, 2022 11:55:17 GMT
Looking out my window in the afternoon and watching the atrocious weather conditions I felt it might be better if a ramshackled body sought the security of the stand. Accordingly, I arrived at ASP at 5.30pm approximately. I glanced at the full stand but a polite steward told me I was wasting my time, saying people had been queuing outside the grounds since 3.30pm. The best laid plans---. But of course then it dawned on me. I had taken a wrong turn some place. I realised that rather being in Austin Stack Park I had made my first trek to the Antarctic. Now, there are people who say this uninhabitable, God forsaken spot is nothing like it once was. The rains are not as torrential, the winds are not as soul destroying and as numbingly cold as they once were. Clearly, these people have not been there recently. Take it from me , this abominable outpost is as diabolically inhospitable as it ever was.
For survival, there was nothing to do but cluster as close together ,for warmth and a little shelter, as the Emperor Penguins do. Interestingly enough, there didn't appear to be any Emperor Penguins on the field of play. There were some Emperors there alright, attractively clad in a green and gold plumage. More intriguingly still, there appeared to be a lead Emperor, I suppose a King Emperor. He strutted around with the number fourteen on his back. He wandered hither and thither, taking a speculative pot shot here, a speculative pot shot there. Deep thinkers of this game feel that is not the way to do things. Flair must be subjugated in the interests of the team ethic. The way forward is step in, step out, do the hokey pokey all around. When you get hold of the parcel you pass it back and forth. You carry on interminably until you lose the parcel of course!. Ah that is not the way of King Emperors. You reach the status of King Emperor by realising from an early stage that the most profitable and effective way of propelling the ball is by use of the foot, either foot. By the way David, how is little Ogie? Any indication yet that , perhaps in twenty years, there will be another King Emperor to enthral us. It is very unlikely that I will be around to witness that spectacle. Still, how bad is it to witness one King Emperor in a lifetime.
The match was very closely contested in the early stages but in the second half of the first half Kerry dazzled. Now it did coincide with Dublin being reduced to fourteen men, still in appalling conditions it was football of a premium standard. Magnificent long range points, culminating in an exquisite goal from Dara, imaginatively created by the King Emperor. A few Dublin supporters near me were very vexed, contending that the line ball leading up to the goal should have been theirs. I don't think so. My reading of it is that in the contest for a high ball a Dublin hand flicked the ball towards the sideline and a Dublin player shepherded it out , erroneously thinking that it was a Kerry hand that last touched it. Perhaps, the television paints a different picture.
There were a few moments of worry in that first half. Dean Rock hit one in which appeared to hood wink Shane Murphy. The ball hit the crossbar/post and bounced in. I would be slow to criticise Shane. It was a goal of the fluke variety. The only thing I saw clearly in that incident was a Kerry player being floored near the goal in the build up which had me making wild use of my larynx. Interestingly, the goal was disallowed for that incident. Frequently that happens in rugby but I have never seen it before in football.
In another incident, Shane got a very strong hand to a vicious effort from one of the Dublin players.
There was another hugely worrying incident when a Dublin kick out beat the congested the midfield area, thus creating a two on one situation, which very likely would have resulted in a goal but for a wayward final pass. It must be said that Jason, our defender in the spot, played it very cool, holding his position and making the Dublin man in possession blink first, forcing him to pass the ball sooner that he wished. Once more, I felt Jason had another good match.
In spite of the fact that Dublin were going to have the aid of the elements in the second half , one felt the second half was going to be irrelevant. Kerry were playing too well and Dublin did not have the personnel to make a significant impact.
Dan O'Donoghue and Brian O'Beaghlaigh are going the the right way about cementing regular places , in the corner and on the wing respectively. Dan would need to cut out this off the ball chest slapping , getting out of control with too many players. He will eventually pick up an early yellow card or maybe a belt in the gob. This chest pushing/slapping is at a ridiculous level now and needs to be stamped out. Does anybody know its rationale.
Diarmuid was massive at midfield , being incongruously elegant in those awful conditions. The often maligned Jack Barry made a contribution as well but should not have stupidly earned a black card which, in different circumstances, could be costly.
I was delighted for Dara Moynihan. Dara has been poor since that injury last year. Perhaps his good form for MUTK and last night will restore his confidence and ensure that once more we will see that busy bee with the sting.
People here will justifiably claim that an almost full strength Kerry team played a makeshift Dublin team and it is only February and therefore not too much can be deduced from last night. Still, in situations like these I am reminded of the words of a very wise man. He said nothing happens in the past. Nothing happens in the future . It is all about the now. The now is the only thing. For the next days I will take his advice and luxuriate in the now. I invite you to join me.
P.S. If you don't hear from me again it means I reached the South Pole but did not make it back. Such is the fate of crazy explorers.
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Post by kerryman99 on Feb 6, 2022 11:59:06 GMT
It was all Paddy Tally's fault last week on here. No mention of him this week. Five games played, no goal conceded. And that's only with a months work. And how anyone could blame Shane Murphy for disallowed goal hasn't got a clue. The ball hit the upright above crossbar height, hit him in the head and went in to net. Are we expecting him to save points now as well. I thought Dublin goal should have stood and black card the offender afterwards.what if foul takes place two/three minutes before goal without being able to get refs attention, how far can ref go back to disallow it. Can any referee on here clear that up? David Gough said the call was right on twitter last night.
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Post by southward on Feb 6, 2022 12:04:13 GMT
Another small thing, can people stop booing opposition free takers. It’s extremely childish and not sporting whatsoever. Hate to hear it Agree but in fairness I think it was a reaction to Comerford taking the piss with his kickouts and frees. Trying to waste the whole first half he was. Don't know if it came across on the telly but the crowd were incensed. Lane looked like he was always on the point of penalising him but he never did. Added on a good bit alright to be fair.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 6, 2022 12:04:24 GMT
Can i ask whether those black cards accrue such that a player could be suspended down the line.
If so, Paudie should appeal. All he did was offload to the brother and crouch to protect himself from opponent who deliberately ran into him.
Lane was conned in that instance.
I watched the line ball again...yes....came off a blue hand before rolling to the line.....JBs foot flicked it as it rolled but it was probably over the line.....
So a Kerry line ball was probably the right call.
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Post by kerryman99 on Feb 6, 2022 12:18:39 GMT
I think the Dublin missing half a team is over egged. As Ciaran W said, those lads are 32/33 with crazy miles on the clock (Con aside). A bit like Mayo a few years ago with an old team going to the well. They were stellar players, not sure they still are.
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Post by thepope on Feb 6, 2022 12:23:36 GMT
Can i ask whether those black cards accrue such that a player could be suspended down the line. If so, Paudie should appeal. All he did was offload to the brother and crouch to protect himself from opponent who deliberately ran into him. Lane was conned in that instance. I watched the line ball again...yes....came off a blue hand before rolling to the line.....JBs foot flicked it as it rolled but it was probably over the line..... So a Kerry line ball was probably the right call. Line ball call was definitely wrong. Happened straight in front of us. Kerry foot took ball out of play.
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Post by kerryman99 on Feb 6, 2022 12:30:58 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 6, 2022 12:35:31 GMT
In the post match interview Jack said that Kerry are a 'kicking team'. Veteran...I thought i should let you know that after your Tom Crean experience...
It looks like PG is being told to shoot first and ask questions later.
Certainly if Kerry can land 7 or 8 points from distance in the championship in Croker they will take beating.
A wide is better than being turned over anyway.
However when teams give you just a split second on the ball in the white beat of championship the winning and losing may come down to which team can retain possession while probing and prodding before finding the right man to slot the score. 3 or 4 scores from such situations would be massive.
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Post by taggert on Feb 6, 2022 12:47:39 GMT
Good entertainment last night in awful conditions. Given the wind, the Dunnes end was the scoring goal and ultimately we made more of that advantage than the Dubs. The disallowed Dublin goal was a massive turning point as well as the Kerry sideline ball that wasn't. I still have a full-strength Dublin team as the team to beat this summer. At times last night we got a couple of glimpses of their speed on transition into attack, very impressive. Lest people forget, the Dubs will walk into an All-Ireland semi and be 2 home games from winning it out. A team of proven winners and a system that still allows them to control the pace of a game and work good scoring opportunities for the likes of Rock, O'Callaghan etc. Kerry did very well at times. Diarmuid O'Connor is going to be a super footballer. Plays game thinking ahead, in and out of possession. I think O'Connor will soon be in the same elite category as Clifford, O'Shea and O'Sullivan. Those 4 would play for any inter-county team in the country. Kerry overall look good when the gameplan is bearing fruit. However, we did poorly into the wind and 1 point (I think) is a very poor return. We could have maintained better control of the ball, forced the Dubs to come out and attack space that created. The Dubs were miles behind so we should have forced their hand in this regard. If the Dubs were that far ahead they'd have played keep ball all day if they wanted and not cared how it looked. We needlessly turned over some poor ball in the second half. Looking ahead to the summer. I worry about our spread of scores, I could easily see a day when scores are mostly coming through Clifford, O'Shea and few others. We also still rely on players breaking too many tackles to make forward progress- this will result in turnover ball in the summer. We don't create the kind of space the Dubs do for their forwards and rely on high skill moments from our forwards too often. Also I think we pass to a static receiver too often. Plenty of room for improvement but if you asked me to put the family home on a Kerry all-ireland this summer, I wouldn't. I couldn't agree more with the above. Dubs at full strength in the semi with a full house and a team full of All Ireland winners and knowhow will take some stopping and I wouldnt bet against them. I too worry about the reliance on the mercurial DC for scores from play. He and Seanie (frees) get the vast bulk of scores with Geaneys recent average in league or championship being 1 or 2 points. He missed 1-4 last night and he missed a similar amount in the '19 drawn final. Our spread against Tyrone was woeful - starting 6 and 3 forward subs - so that remains a major worry. Every team is going to throw the sink at stopping DC so the others need to up their scoring outputs. And Im not buying the others creating the scores for DC as it was individual brilliance by him that engineered a majority of his scores last night.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 6, 2022 13:04:16 GMT
The words of a clearly animated Sean Cavanagh at half time in normal time last year spring to mind..."you cant do anything about Clifford kicking 5 or 6 unbelievable scores, but can still win". He smelt blood then as he knew McShane and Canavan were to come on.
Even though JoC old team had Donaghy and Colm inside, it was often the points from Galvin and Declan and Brosnan that set the tone.
It would do no harm to rest DC for the next game and see how the others fare.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 6, 2022 13:04:28 GMT
Can i ask whether those black cards accrue such that a player could be suspended down the line. If so, Paudie should appeal. All he did was offload to the brother and crouch to protect himself from opponent who deliberately ran into him. Lane was conned in that instance. I watched the line ball again...yes....came off a blue hand before rolling to the line.....JBs foot flicked it as it rolled but it was probably over the line..... So a Kerry line ball was probably the right call. 3 x Black Cards = 1 Game suspension 3 x Double Yellow Cards = 1 Game suspension 3 x Yellow followed by a Black Card = 1 Game suspension OR A Combination of all three (totalling 3) = 1 Game suspension Only in senior inter-county league and championship games within the same year.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 6, 2022 13:05:30 GMT
Well I'm not going to say much about the match other than I was delighted to give the Dubs a good helping of startled earwigs. High time it was served up and hopefully it's only the starter to the main course in the summer.
I reached ASP a little later than I would have liked and I had to make do with standing almost at ground level in the Mitchel's shed. Hence what occured at the Horans end was often more of a mystery than the third secret of Fatima. I will say the second half showing was just not good enough regardless of the mitigating factors. Perhaps we will see a full 70min performance against Donegal.
But I would like to get other people's thoughts, experiences on one thing. The 3 of us found ourselves encircled by Dubs and for all the guff we Kerry supporters take about being animals - I have never heard such abuse directed at a team by their own 'fans'. Considering they've been given ten years of constant success, 8 All Ireland's and what ever else it was as bizarre as it was uncomfortable.
I was actually dumbfounded by the vitriol. Is this the bandwagon element about to jump off the carriage? Because I'd be very close friends with a few genuine Dublin fans and never heard the likes of this even when Kerry were regularly hockeying them in the 2000s
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 6, 2022 13:06:08 GMT
Can i ask whether those black cards accrue such that a player could be suspended down the line. If so, Paudie should appeal. All he did was offload to the brother and crouch to protect himself from opponent who deliberately ran into him. Lane was conned in that instance. I watched the line ball again...yes....came off a blue hand before rolling to the line.....JBs foot flicked it as it rolled but it was probably over the line..... So a Kerry line ball was probably the right call. 3 x Black Cards = 1 Game suspension 3 x Double Yellow Cards = 1 Game suspension 3 x Yellow followed by a Black Card = 1 Game suspension OR A Combination of all three (totalling 3) = 1 Game suspension Only in senior inter-county league and championship games within the same year. Thanks for that. Paudie should appeal
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Post by piggott on Feb 6, 2022 13:12:55 GMT
Fitzimons, Cooper, Murchan, Con, McCarthy and Costello the players missing from Dubs. Three of them turning 33.
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Post by fitz on Feb 6, 2022 13:49:19 GMT
I thought Shane Murphy did fine given the conditions. The 'goal' was a freak occurrence with the ball being held up by the wind. I remember Shane Ryan had a few howlers too in the league under the high ball so its not as if it hasn't happened either keeper before. I assume after the break Ryan will get his two games and management might then make a decision as to who is their starting keeper. To be honest I have no problem who they pick. They are different types of players each with their own strengths. Depends what the management want from them. He made a great diving save to prevent goal in first half, the goal that was disallowed was out of his control off post and hit his shoulder. A couple of poor kickouts straight to Dublin players in first half mind
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Post by glengael on Feb 6, 2022 14:15:28 GMT
I would like to have seen a few substitutes introduced earlier. Precious little to be learned from having D Clifford, for example,slogging away for the duration,in his 3rd game in 7 days. Same with Seanie O'S. Would be useful to see what other fowards could have achieved over 20/25 mins, especially as the game was hardly on a knife edge in the second half.
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Post by taggert on Feb 6, 2022 14:21:41 GMT
I would like to have seen a few substitutes introduced earlier. Precious little to be learned from having D Clifford, for example,slogging away for the duration,in his 3rd game in 7 days. Same with Seanie O'S. Would be useful to see what other fowards could have achieved over 20/25 mins, especially as the game was hardly on a knife edge in the second half. Totally agree. Utterly pointless (no pun intended) and instead Savage, Brosnan, Spillane could have played the 2nd half. Thats not with hindsight - a half baked Dublin were already beaten at HT.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 6, 2022 14:28:24 GMT
At long last I can feel my fingertips again, Christ on a bike the cold last night was unreal, I went for a takeaway coffee afterwards, before heading north of the halfway bar for a hot toddy, I don’t know have I ever been as wet and cold at a game… thank god the outcome was to our favour.
On the team and display, you can see a visible improvement on our positional sense defensively from the games I’ve seen to date, the camera only picks up so much but off the ball the communication and cohesion is improving, the ‘long over the top’ kickout caught us out in the first half and this is an aspect you have to be weary of.
Very happy with certain individual performances, I’ve always been impressed by Briôn O’Beagloicht, when picking a league or C’ship XV in my head, I’m always pushing too accommodate him. I though he broke the line time and time again yesterday, I was most impressed with the physicality of Diarmuid and again like recent games Adrain was putting his body on the line for fifty minutes, I know some don’t rate the young Templenoe man, but jez, he is the one putting in the hard graft and belts to allow the likes of Diarmuid and Seanie to shine, he has a serious turnover count.
The winning of the this game was Kerry’s ability to take advantage of the extra man at key stages, this is what pleased me most because it was this inability that cost us most against Tyrone last year.
We tired in the second half which is expected against that deluge so I feel changes in attack should have been made earlier, Savage, Horan and Killian should have been introduced earlier to close out the game but as I said, the key aspect for me was how economical we were with the extra man.. this improvement alone for me is encouraging.
Dean Rock didn’t do much yesterday, this display will instill confidence in Dan O’Donoghue, he is putting himself very much in the frame.
Dublin were missing a plethora of first name players but in saying that the majority are the wrong side of 28+. Kerry, Breen, White, Ryan may come in but by in large bar a handful, yesterday is our spine.
Two weeks of hard training, the conclusion of the Sigerso, will allow our panel completely concentrate on county ball, with an away trip to Donegal next up, this league is seriously competitive, I don’t recall a league in recent years where all the top teams were present.
Like hermit alluded to, the abuse by the Dublin ‘fans’ surprised me, by in large the fan you meet in an away night in January or February is the genuine lad and not the bandwagon jumper or armchair man… one couple in particular near me gave Kilkenny dogs abuse in first half..
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Post by damarys on Feb 6, 2022 14:46:24 GMT
Hello,I am in England on holidays. Just wondering if there is a link to the game?Thank you.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 6, 2022 16:15:53 GMT
Hello,I am in England on holidays. Just wondering if there is a link to the game?Thank you. I don't have a link to it at the moment. If i get one i will upload it
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Post by clarinman on Feb 6, 2022 16:27:02 GMT
3 x Black Cards = 1 Game suspension 3 x Double Yellow Cards = 1 Game suspension 3 x Yellow followed by a Black Card = 1 Game suspension OR A Combination of all three (totalling 3) = 1 Game suspension Only in senior inter-county league and championship games within the same year. Thanks for that. Paudie should appeal He can only appeal when he gets a suspension. If he gets suspended for 3 black cards, then Kerry can appeal any of the 3.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 6, 2022 17:02:41 GMT
Thanks for that. Paudie should appeal He can only appeal when he gets a suspension. If he gets suspended for 3 black cards, then Kerry can appeal any of the 3. I see. Thanks
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 6, 2022 19:18:18 GMT
in reply to Piggott.Fitzsimmons is the only one turning 33.Cooper wont be 33 until championship is well over and James McCarthy is not even 32 yet.Costello Murchan still very young.they might have miles on the clock but they still young and when they hit croke park they will be a different animal. No idea on murchan but Costello is 28 this year
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Post by southward on Feb 6, 2022 19:31:10 GMT
in reply to Piggott.Fitzsimmons is the only one turning 33.Cooper wont be 33 until championship is well over and James McCarthy is not even 32 yet.Costello Murchan still very young.they might have miles on the clock but they still young and when they hit croke park they will be a different animal. No idea on murchan but Costello is 28 this year Murchan looks about 12. Loads of years left in him.
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