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Post by OnTheForty on Feb 8, 2022 22:52:31 GMT
Ricey was marking Colm in 05 yes but I never heard of an eye gouge. Colm got a finger stuck in his eye when going up for a ball and was on the ground getting treatment for a few minutes. It was Pascal McConnell that connected with his eye. Now Tyrone claim it was accidental and tbf it might have been but it definately affected Gooch s game afterwards. Yes, it was McConnell the GK, but it was not when going for any ball and it was definitely not accidental. McConnell was out around the 14 and Gooch was running in behind him, either trying to get into his head or to keep Ricey guessing. Either way I was behind the goal knowing that no good was going to come of it, and as Gooch ran by McConnell, he deliberately eye gouged Colm. Everyone behind the goals saw it except of course the 2 umpires. Win at all costs mentality. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 9, 2022 0:39:30 GMT
On the Forty. Well thanks for that. I was at game and did nt see the incident and there is no TV footage of it. I just presumed they were jumping for the ball. Anyway good to get a view from someone that saw the incident.
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 10, 2022 11:09:33 GMT
Looking out my window in the afternoon and watching the atrocious weather conditions I felt it might be better if a ramshackled body sought the security of the stand. Accordingly, I arrived at ASP at 5.30pm approximately. I glanced at the full stand but a polite steward told me I was wasting my time, saying people had been queuing outside the grounds since 3.30pm. The best laid plans---. But of course then it dawned on me. I had taken a wrong turn some place. I realised that rather being in Austin Stack Park I had made my first trek to the Antarctic. Now, there are people who say this uninhabitable, God forsaken spot is nothing like it once was. The rains are not as torrential, the winds are not as soul destroying and as numbingly cold as they once were. Clearly, these people have not been there recently. Take it from me , this abominable outpost is as diabolically inhospitable as it ever was. For survival, there was nothing to do but cluster as close together ,for warmth and a little shelter, as the Emperor Penguins do. Interestingly enough, there didn't appear to be any Emperor Penguins on the field of play. There were some Emperors there alright, attractively clad in a green and gold plumage. More intriguingly still, there appeared to be a lead Emperor, I suppose a King Emperor. He strutted around with the number fourteen on his back. He wandered hither and thither, taking a speculative pot shot here, a speculative pot shot there. Deep thinkers of this game feel that is not the way to do things. Flair must be subjugated in the interests of the team ethic. The way forward is step in, step out, do the hokey pokey all around. When you get hold of the parcel you pass it back and forth. You carry on interminably until you lose the parcel of course!. Ah that is not the way of King Emperors. You reach the status of King Emperor by realising from an early stage that the most profitable and effective way of propelling the ball is by use of the foot, either foot. By the way David, how is little Ogie? Any indication yet that , perhaps in twenty years, there will be another King Emperor to enthral us. It is very unlikely that I will be around to witness that spectacle. Still, how bad is it to witness one King Emperor in a lifetime. The match was very closely contested in the early stages but in the second half of the first half Kerry dazzled. Now it did coincide with Dublin being reduced to fourteen men, still in appalling conditions it was football of a premium standard. Magnificent long range points, culminating in an exquisite goal from Dara, imaginatively created by the King Emperor. A few Dublin supporters near me were very vexed, contending that the line ball leading up to the goal should have been theirs. I don't think so. My reading of it is that in the contest for a high ball a Dublin hand flicked the ball towards the sideline and a Dublin player shepherded it out , erroneously thinking that it was a Kerry hand that last touched it. Perhaps, the television paints a different picture. There were a few moments of worry in that first half. Dean Rock hit one in which appeared to hood wink Shane Murphy. The ball hit the crossbar/post and bounced in. I would be slow to criticise Shane. It was a goal of the fluke variety. The only thing I saw clearly in that incident was a Kerry player being floored near the goal in the build up which had me making wild use of my larynx. Interestingly, the goal was disallowed for that incident. Frequently that happens in rugby but I have never seen it before in football. In another incident, Shane got a very strong hand to a vicious effort from one of the Dublin players. There was another hugely worrying incident when a Dublin kick out beat the congested the midfield area, thus creating a two on one situation, which very likely would have resulted in a goal but for a wayward final pass. It must be said that Jason, our defender in the spot, played it very cool, holding his position and making the Dublin man in possession blink first, forcing him to pass the ball sooner that he wished. Once more, I felt Jason had another good match. In spite of the fact that Dublin were going to have the aid of the elements in the second half , one felt the second half was going to be irrelevant. Kerry were playing too well and Dublin did not have the personnel to make a significant impact. Dan O'Donoghue and Brian O'Beaghlaigh are going the the right way about cementing regular places , in the corner and on the wing respectively. Dan would need to cut out this off the ball chest slapping , getting out of control with too many players. He will eventually pick up an early yellow card or maybe a belt in the gob. This chest pushing/slapping is at a ridiculous level now and needs to be stamped out. Does anybody know its rationale. Diarmuid was massive at midfield , being incongruously elegant in those awful conditions. The often maligned Jack Barry made a contribution as well but should not have stupidly earned a black card which, in different circumstances, could be costly. I was delighted for Dara Moynihan. Dara has been poor since that injury last year. Perhaps his good form for MUTK and last night will restore his confidence and ensure that once more we will see that busy bee with the sting. People here will justifiably claim that an almost full strength Kerry team played a makeshift Dublin team and it is only February and therefore not too much can be deduced from last night. Still, in situations like these I am reminded of the words of a very wise man. He said nothing happens in the past. Nothing happens in the future . It is all about the now. The now is the only thing. For the next days I will take his advice and luxuriate in the now. I invite you to join me. P.S. If you don't hear from me again it means I reached the South Pole but did not make it back. Such is the fate of crazy explorers. Great piece. I keep expecting you to get poached by The Athletic and I'd gladly pay their subscription to keep reading your reports, but I see so far your reports have only made it as far as the hoganstand.com Kerry forum, in a plagiarising act at that. Hopefully you'll find the imitation sincerely flattering 😀 |
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Post by skybluezone on Feb 11, 2022 16:24:11 GMT
Not sure what you mean. It's a difference type of offence obviously but, that aside, this one was spotted by the officials whereas an offence that isn't seen, well, it isn't seen. Where either offence is clocked, the score should be disallowed so no difference there. well that's what I mean we have seen umpires raise green flags before only for a ref to call a square ball, shouldve said isnt seen by a ref and subsequently called by another offical be that umpire or linesman Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. |
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Post by dc84 on Feb 11, 2022 16:40:18 GMT
well that's what I mean we have seen umpires raise green flags before only for a ref to call a square ball, shouldve said isnt seen by a ref and subsequently called by another offical be that umpire or linesman Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. Yeah cause that's never happened before !! It was Poor officiating alright on who got the card, was defo a free out though. That can happen sometimes when you are the away team. We can call it a balancer for Moynihans goal in thurles last year 😉 |
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Post by dano on Feb 11, 2022 16:44:56 GMT
So Conor Lane and the two umpires didn't see it. Everyone else did but they didn't  . It actually happened, it was a black card offence, the goal should have been disallowed and was rightly disallowed. So only for the baying Kerry fans and those annoying Kerry players pointing it out to the 3 officials, who Now we suspect saw nothing, Dublin would have been awarded a goal. There's no justice in the World at all after that! Yerra 'tis all immaterial now anyway. |
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 11, 2022 16:50:30 GMT
well that's what I mean we have seen umpires raise green flags before only for a ref to call a square ball, shouldve said isnt seen by a ref and subsequently called by another offical be that umpire or linesman Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. Gough gave a 45 to Dublin in the 2016 semi final after his club mate Kevin McMenamin put pressure in him. There was a lot at stake in that game. There was only a point in it when Peter Crowley got "johnny sextoned" at the end and of course it led to Dermos point to give Dublin a 2 point win. So its not like it hadnt happened before. The home team gets those decisions. Home town decisions in Dublins favour played a big part in the 6inarow...a few of which were won by a single score. So nothing new here really. Same as it always was. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 11, 2022 17:14:57 GMT
According to Joanne Cantwell (A Dublin lady) on checking the rules the ref Conor Lane was 100% correct with the award of a black card and the cancellation of the goal. However he did black card the wrong man and that is a poor decision but its the umpires that are at fault there. On the black card. It was Dan Ó Donoghue that was rinní g beside Rock and was impeded thus leaving Rock a free shot. Rock might not have been even able to shoot had Dan not been impeded. Regardless of that though a black card offense was committed. On the wrong man getting the card well in 1993 all ireland final Tony Davis (Cork) was sent off on the wrong in the first half and it changed the course of the game. Niall Cahalane was the one that should have been sent to the line instead. It turned out to be a double whammy for Cork as Cahalane who was doing a great job on Enda Gormley (Derry) seemed to be affected afterwards and Gormley ended up having a blinder and Derry won the all ireland.
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Post by playitfair on Feb 11, 2022 17:20:11 GMT
well that's what I mean we have seen umpires raise green flags before only for a ref to call a square ball, shouldve said isnt seen by a ref and subsequently called by another offical be that umpire or linesman Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. I think the crowd have been influencing referees since the beginning of time. That's why we have things like "home advantage". |
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 11, 2022 17:27:55 GMT
Sky one. Just another point. The goal was disallowed after the black card so to say the ref decided to disallow the goal and think of a reason afterwards is grossly unfair. On Conor Lane many Dubs were nt happy with him in 2019 replay v Kerry either. However when the referees assessment was done Brian Gavin stated the Lane had a brilliant display and only made two noticeable errors
One decision went to Kerry and the other one was Murchan goal which they said Lane should have pulled Murchan for over carrying so overall the luck went with the Dubs. I do admit last years semi v Mayo he did give a few bad calls against Dublin especially Comerford for over carrying
I felt after the Small tackle on McLaughlin he got influenced.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 11, 2022 18:03:23 GMT
Ah look everyone's human, my main gripe has always been there are seven officials watching the game, take the second to consult and come to the right conclusion.
I couldn't fault lane last Saturday, hard game, tetchy and in bad conditions.
Any big call he consulted his team and administered the collective decision.
Similar with Gough with Armagh/Tyrone.
I'm just waiting to see will the CCCC back their officials and uphold when challenged.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 11, 2022 18:29:23 GMT
Ah look everyone's human, my main gripe has always been there are seven officials watching the game, take the second to consult and come to the right conclusion. I couldn't fault lane last Saturday, hard game, tetchy and in bad conditions. Any big call he consulted his team and administered the collective decision. Similar with Gough with Armagh/Tyrone. I'm just waiting to see will the CCCC back their officials and uphold when challenged. I'm waiting to see Logan's Affidavit, I will know when it sees light of day because the laughter will be heard here in Donegal, even in Kerry if Brolly adds a barristards layer of legalise, then I'll write the book. All joking aside I have it on good authority that what really happened was that the Tyrone laddos had a flashback to Covid and thought the Armagh boyos were bugs and so tried to strangle them to save mankind. I mean it never happened before, normally they box buckos but these weren't buckos, this was a virus and so a Tyrone solution to a Tyrone problem, nip it at the bud, strangle it, whatever it takes your honour! And the GAA have swallowed bigger porkies so have no worries for our Red Hand eradicators! P.S. Does anyone know any good solicitor in Kerry who can tell such porkies - let's have a 'Rate Your Solictor Poll' - now I know the standard will be high but which one is as Straight as The Ring of Kerry? What would be harder to know is which one of them isn't, assuming there is one? I could name a few outsiders well insiders actually! Our cute hoors would make look Feargeal & Doorhoor look like altar boys! |
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Post by southward on Feb 11, 2022 18:32:27 GMT
well that's what I mean we have seen umpires raise green flags before only for a ref to call a square ball, shouldve said isnt seen by a ref and subsequently called by another offical be that umpire or linesman Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. You suspect that no official saw it but a goal was disallowed and a fella put off the field on the say so of some Kerry players? That'd require some leap of faith by Conor Lane in fairness. It's inarguable that the goal should have been scrubbed and a black card issued. It's there for all to see. And maybe the crowd was a factor but the decision was correct. The problem for Dublin supporters is, I suspect, they have been getting away with the screening/blocking tactic for years and suddenly they're pulled up. And fair enough, Scully was wronged but on that score, you'd have to be looking at McMahon - why didn't he own up at the time? |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 11, 2022 19:14:00 GMT
well that's what I mean we have seen umpires raise green flags before only for a ref to call a square ball, shouldve said isnt seen by a ref and subsequently called by another offical be that umpire or linesman Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. One of the worst posts I have ever seen on this forum. |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Feb 11, 2022 19:23:32 GMT
well that's what I mean we have seen umpires raise green flags before only for a ref to call a square ball, shouldve said isnt seen by a ref and subsequently called by another offical be that umpire or linesman Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. So you're complaining that an action warranting a black card shouldn't be punished if the ref didn't see it. It's not the Purge. The only issue is the wrong player black carded. The umpires saw it because it happened in front of them. How they got the wrong man is beyond me? At least Scully will get that card recinded should he be black carded two more times this year. Also complaining about the home crowd affecting the ref. It's so tough on Dublin playing all their championship games away from home. Remind me again how many Leinster championship games did ye play away again in the past 15 years? One was it v Wexford last year. Tough for ye never playing games in your own county. I've heard that one team has played numerous finals in the past decade where the ref officiating the finals lives and works in one of the competing counties. Imagine having that advantage and also home advantage for finals. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 11, 2022 19:31:41 GMT
well that's what I mean we have seen umpires raise green flags before only for a ref to call a square ball, shouldve said isnt seen by a ref and subsequently called by another offical be that umpire or linesman Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. Wow what a post, I've seen similar nonsense on reservoir dubs. We will see the true nature of contributors when their teams aren't winning. Here's a few home truths, This Dublin team are a million miles from the 6 in a row. Your big players have downed tools. The absolute irony of you talking about a crowd influencing a ref when you play at home for all your big games is beyond laughable. Show a bit of grace and take the defeat and move on. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 11, 2022 21:53:56 GMT
To be fair to skybluezone he is just giving his opinion and at the start of thread he did say Kerry were the better team. We are all a little blinded by our county allegiance and we all get it wrong from time to time.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 11, 2022 22:22:09 GMT
According to Joanne Cantwell (A Dublin lady) on checking the rules the ref Conor Lane was 100% correct with the award of a black card and the cancellation of the goal Pity she didn't say what rule allows it |
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 11, 2022 23:42:37 GMT
She mentioned that under the black card rule of a black card is issued then a free has to be given for the offense that led to the card, hence any play that happened after the foul is null and void. That was my reading of it watching TSG.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 13, 2022 11:14:23 GMT
She mentioned that under the black card rule of a black card is issued then a free has to be given for the offense that led to the card, hence any play that happened after the foul is null and void. That was my reading of it watching TSG. Bring the video to 1.09 and McCurrys black card. Should he have given Kerry a free in when he went back to give McCurrys the black card? |
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Post by skybluezone on Feb 13, 2022 17:11:55 GMT
So Conor Lane and the two umpires didn't see it. Everyone else did but they didn't . It actually happened, it was a black card offence, the goal should have been disallowed and was rightly disallowed. So only for the baying Kerry fans and those annoying Kerry players pointing it out to the 3 officials, who Now we suspect saw nothing, Dublin would have been awarded a goal. There's no justice in the World at all after that! Yerra 'tis all immaterial now anyway.[/quotes Watch the footage again, Lane is not looking at the foul. Then umpires put up green flag, then Kerry players go ape. Then free out. Then let's pick a Dub with black hair and black card him. Panto time. As I say its immaterial as Dublin were well beaten which I've acknowledged. But don't tell me it was good officiating or anything like it. The goal was chalked off which was probably the right outcome but Lane or his mates were guessing as to why. |
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Post by skybluezone on Feb 13, 2022 17:17:13 GMT
Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. Gough gave a 45 to Dublin in the 2016 semi final after his club mate Kevin McMenamin put pressure in him. There was a lot at stake in that game. There was only a point in it when Peter Crowley got "johnny sextoned" at the end and of course it led to Dermos point to give Dublin a 2 point win. So its not like it hadnt happened before. The home team gets those decisions. Home town decisions in Dublins favour played a big part in the 6inarow...a few of which were won by a single score. So nothing new here really. Same as it always was. Gough came out later and said he didn't see the Crowley hit. And if he did give it he was in Conor Lane territory of giving a free for something he didn't see Btw Lane didn't give Dublin a scoreable free for over 70 mins in the 2019 replay. Kerry have been poor defensively for 10 years so either the defence improved tremendously for one night only or Lane has issues with Dublin. You decide. |
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Post by skybluezone on Feb 13, 2022 17:19:02 GMT
Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. You suspect that no official saw it but a goal was disallowed and a fella put off the field on the say so of some Kerry players? That'd require some leap of faith by Conor Lane in fairness. It's inarguable that the goal should have been scrubbed and a black card issued. It's there for all to see. And maybe the crowd was a factor but the decision was correct. The problem for Dublin supporters is, I suspect, they have been getting away with the screening/blocking tactic for years and suddenly they're pulled up. And fair enough, Scully was wronged but on that score, you'd have to be looking at McMahon - why didn't he own up at the time? I think one official saw something but wasnt too sure what. The Kerry players filled in the gaps probably. |
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Post by skybluezone on Feb 13, 2022 17:23:22 GMT
Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. So you're complaining that an action warranting a black card shouldn't be punished if the ref didn't see it. It's not the Purge. The only issue is the wrong player black carded. The umpires saw it because it happened in front of them. How they got the wrong man is beyond me? At least Scully will get that card recinded should he be black carded two more times this year. Also complaining about the home crowd affecting the ref. It's so tough on Dublin playing all their championship games away from home. Remind me again how many Leinster championship games did ye play away again in the past 15 years? One was it v Wexford last year. Tough for ye never playing games in your own county. I've heard that one team has played numerous finals in the past decade where the ref officiating the finals lives and works in one of the competing counties. Imagine having that advantage and also home advantage for finals. I'm not complaining, 3 times now I've said that Kerry won well. I'm just pointing out the ineptitude of the officials. If I was complaining I'd say Clifford pen was soft in the extreme. And Small got a yellow for getting dragged down by Clifford. |
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Post by southward on Feb 13, 2022 17:30:57 GMT
Gough came out later and said he didn't see the Crowley hit. And if he did give it he was in Conor Lane territory of giving a free for something he didn't see Btw Lane didn't give Dublin a scoreable free for over 70 mins in the 2019 replay. Kerry have been poor defensively for 10 years so either the defence improved tremendously for one night only or Lane has issues with Dublin. You decide. While they exist, I think our defensive woes have been exaggerated over the years. In fact, Kerry had (with Mayo) the joint meanest defence in the league that year. |
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Post by skybluezone on Feb 13, 2022 17:33:13 GMT
Just catching up with this thread again. All immaterial now but just to point out that Lane didn't see the incident. And I suspect neither did the umpires, but a combination of crowd noise and Kerry players surrounding the ref and umpires convinced Lane that something untoward had happened. After that it was a case of well we'll disallow the goal and think of a reason why afterwards. In fact both Lane and his umpires were so clueless about what had happened that it ended up with Niall Scully getting the black card, and he was closer to the dug outs than the incident. It's a really serious development when both umpires and refs are changing their decisions on the basis of crowd or player pressure. It won't end well when the stakes are higher. Wow what a post, I've seen similar nonsense on reservoir dubs. We will see the true nature of contributors when their teams aren't winning. Here's a few home truths, This Dublin team are a million miles from the 6 in a row. Your big players have downed tools. The absolute irony of you talking about a crowd influencing a ref when you play at home for all your big games is beyond laughable. Show a bit of grace and take the defeat and move on. So for the 4th time, Kerry won pulling up, and deservedly so. I think that covers the "grace" issue. On your "home truths", agree, a million miles from the 6 team. Not sure yet about our big players, I'm unconvinced by Dessie, the 2020 title was Jim Gavins really. I think our big players are also unconvinced by Dessie, so the jury is out. Cluxtons departure is massive, his influence cannot be overstated, they would have got to the final last year with him in goal. Despite the problems that were beginning to show. I'm not sure if you know this but for a long time now the All Ireland semis and final, as well as the Leinster final are played in Croke Park. But maybe there have been some really controversial decisions in games in Leinster before the Leinster final that the crowd influenced that I missed? |
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Post by southward on Feb 13, 2022 17:39:24 GMT
I'm not complaining, 3 times now I've said that Kerry won well. I'm just pointing out the ineptitude of the officials. If I was complaining I'd say Clifford pen was soft in the extreme. And Small got a yellow for getting dragged down by Clifford. Really? Small did nothing? Clifford just decided to pull him down for the craic? You believe this? Maybe you think Noel O'Leary was a target for bullies too? |
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Feb 13, 2022 18:11:37 GMT
Gough gave a 45 to Dublin in the 2016 semi final after his club mate Kevin McMenamin put pressure in him. There was a lot at stake in that game. There was only a point in it when Peter Crowley got "johnny sextoned" at the end and of course it led to Dermos point to give Dublin a 2 point win. So its not like it hadnt happened before. The home team gets those decisions. Home town decisions in Dublins favour played a big part in the 6inarow...a few of which were won by a single score. So nothing new here really. Same as it always was. Gough came out later and said he didn't see the Crowley hit. And if he did give it he was in Conor Lane territory of giving a free for something he didn't see Btw Lane didn't give Dublin a scoreable free for over 70 mins in the 2019 replay. Kerry have been poor defensively for 10 years so either the defence improved tremendously for one night only or Lane has issues with Dublin. You decide. Or possibly the Dublin forward line has gotten significantly weaker…,? |
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 13, 2022 18:25:27 GMT
Gough gave a 45 to Dublin in the 2016 semi final after his club mate Kevin McMenamin put pressure in him. There was a lot at stake in that game. There was only a point in it when Peter Crowley got "johnny sextoned" at the end and of course it led to Dermos point to give Dublin a 2 point win. So its not like it hadnt happened before. The home team gets those decisions. Home town decisions in Dublins favour played a big part in the 6inarow...a few of which were won by a single score. So nothing new here really. Same as it always was. Gough came out later and said he didn't see the Crowley hit. And if he did give it he was in Conor Lane territory of giving a free for something he didn't see Btw Lane didn't give Dublin a scoreable free for over 70 mins in the 2019 replay. Kerry have been poor defensively for 10 years so either the defence improved tremendously for one night only or Lane has issues with Dublin. You decide. In fairness to you skybluzone, i can see where you are coming from. Ye got so used to getting all the breaks from Dublin Joe or the other two refs who are on the voters register in Dublin ...Gough and Coldrick....that ye are finding the adjustment hard when its not one of those 3 amigos with the whistle. I myself find 'acceptance' is your only man. Its out of your control. I'm sure one of those 3 will be getting the big Dublin games in 2022 and the sky will be blue again. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 13, 2022 19:13:34 GMT
Skybluezone. As I ve stated already Conor Lane s performance was dealt with after 2019 final replay and the assessor stated he had a great performance but his biggest error was allowing Murchan goal which changed the game so it was Lane that gave Dublin the advantage in the final. In the final v Mayo when Costello came on as sub and kicked 3 points one of his points came from a long ball which should have been a free into Mayo 21 yards out in front of goal. James Mccarthy pushed Kevin McLoughlin in the back as he was heading goal bound with the ball. He knocked him down with the push and ball spilled and then to Costello. A certain point for Mayo became a point for Dublin and Dubs won by one point. I don't normally crib but tbf Dublin have got most ref decisions throughout their golden decade.
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