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Post by kerryexile on Feb 6, 2022 22:18:11 GMT
It was a good win.
One of the worries I had about Jack was that he played a very structured type of game where players were not allowed fully express themselves. This sometimes prevented players from benefiting from their full range of skills. It appears that maybe Jack has eased up on the rigid structure and players have more freedom. Maybe it is the thoroughbreds in the squad. How could you tell David Clifford that he can only shoot from the D. It is going to be a short season and early momentum is important and we have that.
The age of the Dublin players that were not playing is not that important. The squad as a whole has peaked and it is downhill from here. Bomber Liston, a man who knew that no matter how good summers in Ballybunion were, autumn always came, said in the late eighties "its time to take down the tent and move on". Players like Timmy O'Dowd and John Kennedy were only in their mid twenties but the show was over.
I have always been an advocate of treating the Minor grade as much more important than the U21/U20 grade for Kerry. Exhibit 1 Diarmuid O'Connor. The skills and understanding that he has, have to instilled at a young age. We need fellas at 10 or 12 aspiring to play with the minors. Dublin is often given as an example of the opposite, letting fellas drift through their teenage years and then send them to gym at 19 or 20. That will not produce the type of player that we need in Kerry.
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 6, 2022 22:27:55 GMT
Horsebox I'm inclined to agree with you on rotating keepers but maybe Jack is nt rotating. Maybe Murphy is his number 1 now. Feel sorry for Fitzgibbon too. He did nt do anything wrong last year.
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Post by southward on Feb 6, 2022 23:15:43 GMT
After watching the Allianz League Sunday analysis of Dublin's game, I've forgotten who they were playing now.
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Post by Hicser on Feb 6, 2022 23:44:15 GMT
After watching the Allianz League Sunday analysis of Dublin's game, I've forgotten who they were playing now. That was horrendous, what was worse was to apologize and say they hadn’t forgotten who they were playing against but that it was more important to talk about the team who won 6 in a row, I’m gobsmacked, |
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 6, 2022 23:49:00 GMT
I must admit while I was delighted with last night's result I was a little bit disappointed with the disallowed goal/Black card thing and our goal from "that sideline". However after watching TSG I'm delighted that the ref was perfectly correct in disallowing the goal as Joanne Cantwell explained
Also Eamonn Fitz thinks the ball was out before Diarmuid s foot hit it so the line ball for us was probably the correct decision (and even if it was nt it was very marginal). Watching the SG now has made the win all the sweeter knowing the ref was correct. Fitzmaurice is a real student of the game and vg on the telly.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 7, 2022 0:20:31 GMT
I got soaked at the game but I don't care. I enjoyed the game even if I couldn't see much up the Michells end.
What I did see was some lovely foot passing especially from Tom O Sullivan and Diarmaid O Connor.
A word of warning...stay off that grass bank on an evening like last night. One of my companions won't forget his slip and slide in a hurry. He destroyed himself in the Somme like conditions. We didn't stay too long in Jess Mc Carthys afterwards. A change of clothing was required.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 7, 2022 0:22:29 GMT
Why is Tony Leen and a couple of more talking about a trip to Donegal, sure they're coming to Killarney! Because he makes assumptions without checking the facts that are easily checked - good insight into his writings........ |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 7, 2022 0:40:53 GMT
Not meaning to be antagonistic, or patronising him, and based on the damage limitation aspect of being a defender, is he what you would call a decent enough FB? He was only dropped once by PK in 2019 League final vs Mayo but then brought on when the 'damage limitation' penny dropped and that he was faring less unwell as the other options. Some one here feel I mention him too much but it is just the parochial interest, spurred by me not living locally and we don't always have a Ballydonoghoor on the county team. We've all seen forwards reverse into their man and fool the ref. Some say he is CHB, that his speed is wasted at FB - still I'd say PK and JO'C can't both be wrong and FB lines need to be lightening fast. Bally, I like Jason, think he is a very good footballer. Said last week, I would like him to trust his defending more when his man wins the initial ball - he is fast and strong and should back himself that he doesnt need to foul. He was very solid after the break as he was in Kildare. He should be calling the shots in there - telling the 6 to hold and calling Dan out when he left him alone against 2 eventho we were playing 14 at the time. Good insight there tag, fills in a few blanks, ta. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 7, 2022 0:44:41 GMT
Is it me or has the commentary on here stepped up a level?
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 7, 2022 3:56:23 GMT
Murchan is about 26.Besides Fitzsimmons they are all young enough and if Dubs are injury free they will be very dangerous in the Summer. Agree 100% no one underestimating the Dubs They will be final four imo Remember they will have 8 to 10 different players Than they had Saturday night we will only have two or three possibly My take away from Saturday was how Diarmuid O Connor showed his prowess and his potential if he keeps improving he’s going to be of huge benefit what a welcome change to see a midfielder that can score and go On the front foot every now and then I had my doubts and still do but looks like we have a contender now at MF The other surprise was how Brian o Bengali kept punching holes in the Dublin defence with his high tempo ball carrying The kick pass is our preferred way but it has to be In tandem with a running game also Gavin Whyte gives us that and now O beaglai gives us similar The flip side to that is that neither of the two are Proven man marking defenders All in all future looking a bit better |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 7, 2022 7:46:21 GMT
"Body language" is all the rage these days.
It appeared to me that Jack Barry looked far more assured beside his clubman vs beside David Moran.
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Post by taggert on Feb 7, 2022 8:42:44 GMT
Only thing I can add scaul is that Diarmuid is at his best going forward and perhaps Jack feels less pressure to get forward and score/create scores than when beside David for example, who tends to sit more these days than he did when he had the legs for gallivanting about the pitch....
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 7, 2022 10:01:07 GMT
Murchan is about 26.Besides Fitzsimmons they are all young enough and if Dubs are injury free they will be very dangerous in the Summer. Agree 100% no one underestimating the Dubs They will be final four imo Remember they will have 8 to 10 different players Than they had Saturday night we will only have two or three possibly Apart from Cluxton they will have all of the following from the 2020 winning team to choose from....so they are easily a top 4 team There is lots of talk about Dessie having lost the dressingroom but time will tell. Dublin 1. Stephen Cluxton (Parnells — captain) 2. Michael Fitzsimons (Cuala) 3. Davy Byrne (Naomh Olaf) 4. Jonny Cooper (Na Fianna) 5. Eoin Murchan (Na Fianna) 6. John Small (Ballymun Kickhams) 7. Robbie McDaid (Ballyboden St Endas) 8. Brian Fenton (Raheny) 9. James McCarthy (Ballymun Kickhams) 10. Niall Scully (Templeogue Synge Street) 11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Castleknock) 12. Seán Bugler (St Oliver Plunkett’s/ER) 13. Paddy Small (Ballymun Kickhams) 14. Con O’Callaghan (Cuala) 15. Dean Rock (Ballymun Kickhams) Dublin 16. Evan Comerford (Ballymun Kickhams) 17. Colm Basquel (Ballyboden St-Enda’s) 18. Aaron Byrne (Na Fianna) 19. Cormac Costello (Whitehall Colmcille) 20. Brian Howard (Raheny) 21. Tom Lahiff (St Judes) |
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 7, 2022 11:49:36 GMT
Bally, I like Jason, think he is a very good footballer. Said last week, I would like him to trust his defending more when his man wins the initial ball - he is fast and strong and should back himself that he doesnt need to foul. He was very solid after the break as he was in Kildare. He should be calling the shots in there - telling the 6 to hold and calling Dan out when he left him alone against 2 eventho we were playing 14 at the time. Good insight there tag, fills in a few blanks, ta. Jason is a classy footballer. He flicked a stationary wet ball into his hands on the edge of his own square like a child flicking up a balloon. If he could burst the balloon of a few aggressive full forwards it would be great to see. |
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 7, 2022 11:59:40 GMT
Looking out my window in the afternoon and watching the atrocious weather conditions I felt it might be better if a ramshackled body sought the security of the stand. Accordingly, I arrived at ASP at 5.30pm approximately. I glanced at the full stand but a polite steward told me I was wasting my time, saying people had been queuing outside the grounds since 3.30pm. The best laid plans---. But of course then it dawned on me. I had taken a wrong turn some place. I realised that rather being in Austin Stack Park I had made my first trek to the Antarctic. Now, there are people who say this uninhabitable, God forsaken spot is nothing like it once was. The rains are not as torrential, the winds are not as soul destroying and as numbingly cold as they once were. Clearly, these people have not been there recently. Take it from me , this abominable outpost is as diabolically inhospitable as it ever was. For survival, there was nothing to do but cluster as close together ,for warmth and a little shelter, as the Emperor Penguins do. Interestingly enough, there didn't appear to be any Emperor Penguins on the field of play. There were some Emperors there alright, attractively clad in a green and gold plumage. More intriguingly still, there appeared to be a lead Emperor, I suppose a King Emperor. He strutted around with the number fourteen on his back. He wandered hither and thither, taking a speculative pot shot here, a speculative pot shot there. Deep thinkers of this game feel that is not the way to do things. Flair must be subjugated in the interests of the team ethic. The way forward is step in, step out, do the hokey pokey all around. When you get hold of the parcel you pass it back and forth. You carry on interminably until you lose the parcel of course!. Ah that is not the way of King Emperors. You reach the status of King Emperor by realising from an early stage that the most profitable and effective way of propelling the ball is by use of the foot, either foot. By the way David, how is little Ogie? Any indication yet that , perhaps in twenty years, there will be another King Emperor to enthral us. It is very unlikely that I will be around to witness that spectacle. Still, how bad is it to witness one King Emperor in a lifetime. The match was very closely contested in the early stages but in the second half of the first half Kerry dazzled. Now it did coincide with Dublin being reduced to fourteen men, still in appalling conditions it was football of a premium standard. Magnificent long range points, culminating in an exquisite goal from Dara, imaginatively created by the King Emperor. A few Dublin supporters near me were very vexed, contending that the line ball leading up to the goal should have been theirs. I don't think so. My reading of it is that in the contest for a high ball a Dublin hand flicked the ball towards the sideline and a Dublin player shepherded it out , erroneously thinking that it was a Kerry hand that last touched it. Perhaps, the television paints a different picture. There were a few moments of worry in that first half. Dean Rock hit one in which appeared to hood wink Shane Murphy. The ball hit the crossbar/post and bounced in. I would be slow to criticise Shane. It was a goal of the fluke variety. The only thing I saw clearly in that incident was a Kerry player being floored near the goal in the build up which had me making wild use of my larynx. Interestingly, the goal was disallowed for that incident. Frequently that happens in rugby but I have never seen it before in football. In another incident, Shane got a very strong hand to a vicious effort from one of the Dublin players. There was another hugely worrying incident when a Dublin kick out beat the congested the midfield area, thus creating a two on one situation, which very likely would have resulted in a goal but for a wayward final pass. It must be said that Jason, our defender in the spot, played it very cool, holding his position and making the Dublin man in possession blink first, forcing him to pass the ball sooner that he wished. Once more, I felt Jason had another good match. In spite of the fact that Dublin were going to have the aid of the elements in the second half , one felt the second half was going to be irrelevant. Kerry were playing too well and Dublin did not have the personnel to make a significant impact. Dan O'Donoghue and Brian O'Beaghlaigh are going the the right way about cementing regular places , in the corner and on the wing respectively. Dan would need to cut out this off the ball chest slapping , getting out of control with too many players. He will eventually pick up an early yellow card or maybe a belt in the gob. This chest pushing/slapping is at a ridiculous level now and needs to be stamped out. Does anybody know its rationale. Diarmuid was massive at midfield , being incongruously elegant in those awful conditions. The often maligned Jack Barry made a contribution as well but should not have stupidly earned a black card which, in different circumstances, could be costly. I was delighted for Dara Moynihan. Dara has been poor since that injury last year. Perhaps his good form for MUTK and last night will restore his confidence and ensure that once more we will see that busy bee with the sting. People here will justifiably claim that an almost full strength Kerry team played a makeshift Dublin team and it is only February and therefore not too much can be deduced from last night. Still, in situations like these I am reminded of the words of a very wise man. He said nothing happens in the past. Nothing happens in the future . It is all about the now. The now is the only thing. For the next days I will take his advice and luxuriate in the now. I invite you to join me. P.S. If you don't hear from me again it means I reached the South Pole but did not make it back. Such is the fate of crazy explorers. A pleasure to read, as always. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 7, 2022 12:06:24 GMT
I got soaked at the game but I don't care. I enjoyed the game even if I couldn't see much up the Michells end. What I did see was some lovely foot passing especially from Tom O Sullivan and Diarmaid O Connor. A word of warning...stay off that grass bank on an evening like last night. One of my companions won't forget his slip and slide in a hurry. He destroyed himself in the Somme like conditions. We didn't stay too long in Jess Mc Carthys afterwards. A change of clothing was required. Was that the lad that went rolling down the hill?? |
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Post by buck02 on Feb 7, 2022 12:44:56 GMT
Leaving the match on Saturday night as the heavens opened up a little more and the wind picked up again I thought back to Eamonn Fitz's first season and a chastening defeat to the same opposition in Killarney. That day Eamonn was trying out a number of new players and new systems and we looked light years behind Dublin. Remember what happened in that epic semi final a few months later. It will be a vastly different Dublin team that will face us in July if we both get that far so I'm not writing their obituary just yet.
Some of the point scoring the last night (by both sides) was top quality given the conditions. It was great to see Seanie closer to goal (he looked to be inter-changing with Paudie a bit in the first half to keep him closer to goal) and hopefully if Diarmuid reaches the potential he undoubtedly has this season and with David to come back we wont need to play Seanie in MF again.
The 2nd half was a bit worrying and after the 2nd half in Newbridge I hope this doesn't become a trend.
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 7, 2022 12:46:18 GMT
Final synopsis for me on Kerry Dublin game. 1.Shane Murphy good performance. One bad kickout and the disallowed goal not his fault. One fantastic save with super quick reflexes. 2.Dan Ó Donoghue had a very solid game. Growing in confidence all the time. One problem though is he starts this pushing and nudging opponents for no reason. Refs watching this on TV will remember him and it could come back to haunt us. Management should tell him to calm it. 3.Jason a good eveni g after giving away 2 early frees. Can be very happy with his game. 4.Tom Ó Sullivan very solid. 5.Paul Murphy had a great game. Towards end of game lost possession easily which led to Dub point but top game performance. 6.Morley.Like Paul he lost piseesion easily near end which led to a Dub score but overall he had a great game. 7.O Beaglaoich was superb. 8.Diarmuid brilliant. 9.Jack good performance but silly black card. 10.Dara excellent first half and very good overall.11.Seanie great first half and solid throughout. 12.Adrian worked hard and put in some great tackles. Does nt frighten the scoreboard but does an awful lot of donkey work. 13.Paudie had a great game. Has to be careful ré cards but what an engine. David just sublime player but loses concentration sometimes he loses easy possession but what a scorer. Quiet 2nd half again but magic in first half. 15.Paul Geaney had a very good game. Like David loses concentration sometimes hence losing possession but still a very important player for Kerry.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 7, 2022 13:11:37 GMT
I see a few comments referencing the pushing and shoving between Rock and ODonoghue on Sat.
We've been too soft for years lads it's good to see us having that edge.
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 7, 2022 14:28:16 GMT
To RoyalKerry. A hard edge is gained by hard shoulder tackles, Hard tackling and never taking a backward step. That needless pushing is for children and does nt give a hard edge. If anything it draws the attention of refs linesmen and umpires to your silly style and maybe it gives the opposition the edge. Seamus Moynihan Paidi Ó Sé never had to resort to that nonsense and they were hard. Remember my words. If its not stopped it might cost us.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 7, 2022 14:50:02 GMT
I agree with you Mick,
But all the top teams had that in them, philly, Small, Ricey, I could go on.
We have too many nice lads for too long.
Our lads get it week in week out.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 7, 2022 14:50:24 GMT
I caught the last 20 minutes of Dublin hurlers v Waterford.
This was a full on skin and hair battle and Dublin met fire with fire.
The pull to hurl with the brother for Dublin must be strong for Con oCallaghan all the same.
He did line out with the footballers v the Rossies a few weeks ago so its probably unlikely to happen this year but i think it could well happen next year if the wheels come off the football set up.
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Post by tpo on Feb 7, 2022 15:00:10 GMT
Div 1 league final will be 2/3 April
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Post by kot on Feb 7, 2022 15:10:30 GMT
We played scintillating stuff for a 10 minute spell, when playing to our strengths. I know we were 13 points up against a gale but this possession based style and trying to sit on a lead doesn't work for us.
We could easily have tagged on more scores but didn't go for it. Dublin will probably take some encouragement from nearly halving the deficit in the 2nd half. Wind or no wind, if half backs run up the pitch and find themselves 35/40 yards they should finish the job they started and not turn around to pass it to a lad standing beside them.
Anyway, big positive was that period before half time obviously and even more so doing it having had the low of missing a penalty. Dan O'Donoghue is turning out to be a find & the backs in general have been very strong the first couple of games on the defensive side.
It is still incredibly early of course & Dublin have a plethora of players still out but was a must win game and they did it
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Post by dc84 on Feb 7, 2022 15:11:33 GMT
I agree with you Mick, But all the top teams had that in them, philly, Small, Ricey, I could go on. We have too many nice lads for too long. Our lads get it week in week out. Yeah would agree, the league games in tralee last 4/5 years have been spicy between these 2. I don't think it will be a huge issue for us going forward tbh. Although sometimes fire has to be met with fire , galvin , Mahoney the o se s Donaghy ,dec sull, all had an edge that could boil over sometimes we were complaining last year we didn't have enough badness its a fine line. |
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Post by glengael on Feb 7, 2022 15:38:23 GMT
Why is Tony Leen and a couple of more talking about a trip to Donegal, sure they're coming to Killarney! I was one, error on my part, I got my home and away mixed up... It happens easily enough with only Alf & Irene left from the old gang. I wonder will they be able to cash in, what with Neighbours' future now in doubt?  |
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Post by dc84 on Feb 7, 2022 15:41:11 GMT
I was one, error on my part, I got my home and away mixed up... It happens easily enough with only Alf & Irene left from the old gang. I wonder will they be able to cash in, what with Neighbours' future now in doubt? Brilliant! Although lads who get paid for this for a living should know better |
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 7, 2022 17:28:51 GMT
Ah RoyalKerry I know what you ré saying but Ricey Philly and Small were at alot more than pushing. Those 3 you named were lucky not to be put off more times. They did some thuggish acts in particular Ricey and Philly. Stuff that has no place on a football field. I have no problem if a fella tries to hit and shoulder then give it back but don't start that silly pushing that just causes a ref to take action for nothing.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 7, 2022 20:35:39 GMT
I got soaked at the game but I don't care. I enjoyed the game even if I couldn't see much up the Michells end. What I did see was some lovely foot passing especially from Tom O Sullivan and Diarmaid O Connor. A word of warning...stay off that grass bank on an evening like last night. One of my companions won't forget his slip and slide in a hurry. He destroyed himself in the Somme like conditions. We didn't stay too long in Jess Mc Carthys afterwards. A change of clothing was required. Was that the lad that went rolling down the hill?? It sure was |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 7, 2022 21:09:59 GMT
Was that the lad that went rolling down the hill?? It sure was Ahh Jesus that was hilarious 🤣🤣 |
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