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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 30, 2022 16:01:31 GMT
We’re going nowhere with performances like that No ball into forwards lucky to get a draw It’s the smallest county grounds in the country Which may have contributed to lack of Width in our attacking play SOS was a non factor in second half the game passed him by It’s early and we have players to come back but Dublin won’t fear us next weekend based on that performance I live up here and Dublin haven't feared us in a decade. Most of their fans think we have 1 top forward, a couple of decent backs and thats it. They also think we are mentally weak when it comes to a dog fight finish and we shrink under pressure. |
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Post by gaelicden on Jan 30, 2022 16:03:37 GMT
Well as tradition entails, a poor First Game National League performance for the new manager.
We're better off playing like that now rather than finding out our problems in July.
But in saying that there's a lot of problems currently, most notably in our Midfield and our entire attacking structure. Ultimately, a major improvement is needed for next week.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 30, 2022 16:05:17 GMT
A lot to ponder after that one. Forwards terrible … subs no impact. Defense solid. Some of the panel really aren’t top level intercounty standard and at this stage never will be. Totally agree - midfield non existent in 2nd half, 2/3 half forwards replaced ( as expected), David Clifford only threat inside - only hope is that it’s still early days & we probably haven’t delved into tactics etc yet - the return of Diarmuid O’Connor &Jack Barry will give us more options around the middle which should mean Seanie O’Shea moving into forwards but not encouraging. Agree with most but I thought David C looked well off it following his yellow card (for what I've no idea?) and any ball that went near him was turned over and he was well held to be fair in that second half. |
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Post by listowelemerrs on Jan 30, 2022 16:07:38 GMT
Well as tradition entails, a poor First Game National League performance for the new manager. We're better off playing like that now rather than finding out our problems in July. But in saying that there's a lot of problems currently, most notably in our Midfield and our entire attacking structure. Ultimately, a major improvement is needed for next week. That’s the problem. Jack isn’t really an innovative modern manager. I’m not sure has has the guidance powers to turn it around. I’m worried. Whatever people said about P keane. He was flexible enough and was able to tweak things. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jack just tells his players for the team talk ‘lads go out and play football’ |
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 30, 2022 16:11:32 GMT
Did the forwards stop showing for ball in the second half? Last week Savage was great at moving fast ball to the forwards but today he reverted to lateral play - was it a lack of options or just a better defence on a narrow pitch closing off the options. In the first half they seemed to show better or were the Kildare backs lax and improved in the second half.
Todays midfield pairing did little to advance their cause as midfielders - simply confirms that Diarmuid O Connor, Jack Barry and David Moran are still the best options available to us and sadly the two most likely candidates to put them under pressure are out injured for a number of weeks.
Lack of penetration from the half forwards is a recurring issue for us - we have nice footballers but little in the way of threatening half forwards. We lack physicality in this line.
Backs were decent, particularly given the additional pressure from a losing midfield.
We escaped with a point and learnt a lot from the game - lets see how we can address the learnings for the next few games.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 30, 2022 16:11:38 GMT
Only for the scrappy goal we could have been joining Dublin in the house of embarrassment following the weekend. In truth, we were lucky to get the draw and a serious reality check. One game at a time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 16:12:50 GMT
Holy fook what a load of rubbish that was by Kerry, very hard to pick 1 player that played well
We were right to be worried about our half forward line and I was glad Burns was taken off but In fairness Moynihan and Paud Clifford Savage didn't do much better, Seán O'Shea is not a midfielder and he needs to get back into the half forward line.
David Clifford looked totally dis interested, Geaney back to his old self and killian did his usual only played for 1 half.
We need big changes for next week, and even with that I think the dubs will beat us after watching both games.
Are our lads using a ball in training because it doesn't look like they are.
Shocking and sickening.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jan 30, 2022 16:17:48 GMT
2011 rubbish that cost us an All-Ireland makes its return today. Appalling stuff. Bright side is the keeper jersey looked decent
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 16:20:46 GMT
I live up here and Dublin haven't feared us in a decade. Most of their fans think we have 1 top forward, a couple of decent backs and thats it. They also think we are mentally weak when it comes to a dog fight finish and we shrink under pressure. the dubs are right, our team has no stomach for a fight and everyone can see it now. |
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Post by exiled on Jan 30, 2022 16:22:11 GMT
I was only able to listen to the game on Internet but after reading the comments here I think most people at home over rate a lot of the players. Even the commentator on KR said that Kildare were taking the game "to this star studded Kerry team". A star studded Kerry team is one with a bucket full of All Ireland medals.
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Post by taggert on Jan 30, 2022 16:23:25 GMT
We've always done well against the Dubs in the league so I wouldn't read much into next Sat night. Dublin are on the way down - its the only place top teams tend to go.
On the matter of Adrian Spillane, much like Jack Barry, are we going to win an All Ireland with them starting? Adrian battled manly throughout but in the 1st half soloed into a tackle and was turned over. Did the same in 2nd half, and they went up the field for a rousing score. He then gave away 2 late frees. 3 points handed to them. He wasnt helped by the out of position and an anaemic Seanie O'Shea on the day of course.
But some consistent questions and themes emerging - from before today and again today:
1. Foley struggles once pacey attacker gets out in front;
2. Murphy can't offer resistance from the marauding runs of the middle 8;
3. K.Spillane only plays in a burst and then fades rapidly;
4. Geaneys legs are gone at the top level;
5. Our wing forwards rarely if ever score;
6. Our forwards try low percentage, eye of the needle passes to a heavily marked Clifford and we cough up ball;
7. We dont show enough patience and craft to work high percentage chances for our marksmen, instead relying on them to score individual worldies;
8. We turn over far too much cheap posssession;
9. We lack size and power in the forwards;
10. Our Keepers can crack fairly easily.
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Post by exiled on Jan 30, 2022 16:29:24 GMT
On the fun side you could have headlines next week of "Jack's give Jack the sack"
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 30, 2022 16:31:50 GMT
Gavin White going off was a huge turning point. He was breaking the line every time and was worrying the Kildare defence which allowed our other players a bit more space. Once he went off we had no one to drive forward and we ended up building up very slowly. Hopefully his injury is not serious we need him.
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Post by mash on Jan 30, 2022 16:40:58 GMT
We've always done well against the Dubs in the league so I wouldn't read much into next Sat night. Dublin are on the way down - its the only place top teams tend to go. On the matter of Adrian Spillane, much like Jack Barry, are we going to win an All Ireland with them starting? Adrian battled manly throughout but in the 1st half soloed into a tackle and was turned over. Did the same in 2nd half, and they went up the field for a rousing score. He then gave away 2 late frees. 3 points handed to them. He wasnt helped by the out of position and an anaemic Seanie O'Shea on the day of course. But some consistent questions and themes emerging - from before today and again today: 1. Foley struggles once pacey attacker gets out in front; 2. Murphy can't offer resistance from the marauding runs of the middle 8; 3. K.Spillane only plays in a burst and then fades rapidly; 4. Geaneys legs are gone at the top level; 5. Our wing forwards rarely if ever score; 6. Our forwards try low percentage, eye of the needle passes to a heavily marked Clifford and we cough up ball; 7. We dont show enough patience and craft to work high percentage chances for our marksmen, instead relying on them to score individual worldies; 8. We turn over far too much cheap posssession; 9. We lack size and power in the forwards; 10. Our Keepers can crack fairly easily. |
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Post by taggert on Jan 30, 2022 16:41:29 GMT
Gavin White going off was a huge turning point. He was breaking the line every time and was worrying the Kildare defence which allowed our other players a bit more space. Once he went off we had no one to drive forward and we ended up building up very slowly. Hopefully his injury is not serious we need him. There was real end product today but he is becoming an easy target for heavy hits and skullduggery and the ref allowed Kildare free reign on him I felt..... |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jan 30, 2022 16:41:37 GMT
Maybe people are right and Kerry have nt the stomach. I don't know but what I do know is we were blessed to get a draw and Kildare were the better team. Our midfield was cleaned out in 2nd half and our forwards very poor. Jason Foley prob our Man of match. Our sideline were poor too. Jack and his selectors had a bad day at the office. I was so annoyed at the game with so many things including David Clifford. He has so much talent but drives me crazy at times taking on low percentage shots and also get involved in silly stuff. He kicked a Kildare player in the ankles in the first half for no reason. Every game he plays he acts silly and don't give me the narrative he s being picked on. Also a imo neither Dara Moynihan or Burns are Kerry senior county standard. Seanie Ó Shea is a forward. Some of our passing was cat. Jack Savage gave away a silly pass to a Kildare player when under no pressure. In fairness to Killian and Geaney the supply of ball into them was brutal. Very frustrating watching Kerry today and relieved to get the draw against maybe the weakest team in the division. Murphy in goals makes me nervous too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 16:48:22 GMT
I was only able to listen to the game on Internet but after reading the comments here I think most people at home over rate a lot of the players. Even the commentator on KR said that Kildare were taking the game "to this star studded Kerry team". A star studded Kerry team is one with a bucket full of All Ireland medals. you're spot on, our team is seriously over rated and that's mostly done by the media but we're happy to be plamuced by them. |
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Post by southward on Jan 30, 2022 16:49:01 GMT
Gavin White going off was a huge turning point. He was breaking the line every time and was worrying the Kildare defence which allowed our other players a bit more space. Once he went off we had no one to drive forward and we ended up building up very slowly. Hopefully his injury is not serious we need him. Unfortunately, he seems to get injured an awful lot; some players are like that. Wasn't even a bad challenge or a heavy fall he took today. In an earlier incident though, he burst through the middle and was hauled down from behind when a goal chance looked on. Why no black card? - it looked textbook to me. Don't think Coldrick even gave a yellow. |
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Post by taggert on Jan 30, 2022 16:51:04 GMT
Gavin White going off was a huge turning point. He was breaking the line every time and was worrying the Kildare defence which allowed our other players a bit more space. Once he went off we had no one to drive forward and we ended up building up very slowly. Hopefully his injury is not serious we need him. Unfortunately, he seems to get injured an awful lot; some players are like that. Wasn't even a bad challenge or a heavy fall he took today. In an earlier incident though, he burst through the middle and was hauled down from behind when a goal chance looked on. Why no black card? - it looked textbook to me. Don't think Coldrick even gave a yellow. I thought that was scandslous by the ref. Neither yellow or black hsnded out eventho he was gunning for goal at pace. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 30, 2022 16:52:34 GMT
Maybe people are right and Kerry have nt the stomach. I don't know but what I do know is we were blessed to get a draw and Kildare were the better team. Our midfield was cleaned out in 2nd half and our forwards very poor. Jason Foley prob our Man of match. Our sideline were poor too. Jack and his selectors had a bad day at the office. I was so annoyed at the game with so many things including David Clifford. He has so much talent but drives me crazy at times taking on low percentage shots and also get involved in silly stuff. He kicked a Kildare player in the ankles in the first half for no reason. Every game he plays he acts silly and don't give me the narrative he s being picked on. Also a imo neither Dara Moynihan or Burns are Kerry senior county standard. Seanie Ó Shea is a forward. Some of our passing was cat. Jack Savage gave away a silly pass to a Kildare player when under no pressure. In fairness to Killian and Geaney the supply of ball into them was brutal. Very frustrating watching Kerry today and relieved to get the draw against maybe the weakest team in the division. Murphy in goals makes me nervous too. But other than that, things are good? |
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 30, 2022 16:58:45 GMT
We've always done well against the Dubs in the league so I wouldn't read much into next Sat night. Dublin are on the way down - its the only place top teams tend to go. On the matter of Adrian Spillane, much like Jack Barry, are we going to win an All Ireland with them starting? Adrian battled manly throughout but in the 1st half soloed into a tackle and was turned over. Did the same in 2nd half, and they went up the field for a rousing score. He then gave away 2 late frees. 3 points handed to them. He wasnt helped by the out of position and an anaemic Seanie O'Shea on the day of course. But some consistent questions and themes emerging - from before today and again today: 1. Foley struggles once pacey attacker gets out in front; 2. Murphy can't offer resistance from the marauding runs of the middle 8; 3. K.Spillane only plays in a burst and then fades rapidly; 4. Geaneys legs are gone at the top level; 5. Our wing forwards rarely if ever score; 6. Our forwards try low percentage, eye of the needle passes to a heavily marked Clifford and we cough up ball; 7. We dont show enough patience and craft to work high percentage chances for our marksmen, instead relying on them to score individual worldies; 8. We turn over far too much cheap posssession; 9. We lack size and power in the forwards; 10. Our Keepers can crack fairly easily. Thats some rap sheet! I am delighted that Kildare performed as they did. A few reality checks over the coming weeks will expose Kerry's weaknesses even more. Far better to to expose them now than in June and July. Armagh played some massive games in the McKenna cup recently and it showed last night. Kildare put up a good enough display in the OByrne cup Kerry had to contend with the futile McGrath Cup. So over the coming weeks Kerry will learn where they are. 4 of the last 5 league games are v Ulster counties so hopefully they won't take the foot of the gas in preparation for the Ulster championship. If the limitations that Taggert outlines are not addressed by the end of the league then Kerry can forget about winning the All Ireland. |
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Post by mike70 on Jan 30, 2022 16:59:12 GMT
Maybe people are right and Kerry have nt the stomach. I don't know but what I do know is we were blessed to get a draw and Kildare were the better team. Our midfield was cleaned out in 2nd half and our forwards very poor. Jason Foley prob our Man of match. Our sideline were poor too. Jack and his selectors had a bad day at the office. I was so annoyed at the game with so many things including David Clifford. He has so much talent but drives me crazy at times taking on low percentage shots and also get involved in silly stuff. He kicked a Kildare player in the ankles in the first half for no reason. Every game he plays he acts silly and don't give me the narrative he s being picked on. Also a imo neither Dara Moynihan or Burns are Kerry senior county standard. Seanie Ó Shea is a forward. Some of our passing was cat. Jack Savage gave away a silly pass to a Kildare player when under no pressure. In fairness to Killian and Geaney the supply of ball into them was brutal. Very frustrating watching Kerry today and relieved to get the draw against maybe the weakest team in the division. Murphy in goals makes me nervous too. But other than that, things are good? have a look back at the game, all I could see were the boys outside looking up for the pass inside, but no movement, on a few occasions they moved away from the ball or got turned over, there man came from behind. I think the bottom line we lost the middle of the park in the second half, one man and his dog knows, if you ain’t getting change around the middle, your going to struggle, I think that’s a big part of what went wrong in the second half, I did think they actually won the first half i lar na pairce, hence the platform for our lead. Hard game was needed and we got it. |
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 30, 2022 16:59:42 GMT
Unfortunately, he seems to get injured an awful lot; some players are like that. Wasn't even a bad challenge or a heavy fall he took today. In an earlier incident though, he burst through the middle and was hauled down from behind when a goal chance looked on. Why no black card? - it looked textbook to me. Don't think Coldrick even gave a yellow. I thought that was scandslous by the ref. Neither yellow or black hsnded out eventho he was gunning for goal at pace. Codrick was poor today - his decisions on the White fouls were a joke - a ticking for the first one, a yellow for the section - classic cop outs. Kildare were given two frees in the first half where their forward in possession was bottled up - couldn’t see any fouls, both were good defending. Early days but a lot of chickens coming home to roost today - Burns, Moynihan & Adrian Spillane looked well off inter county standard - sadly not for the first time - Jack Savage, Greg Horan too. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 30, 2022 17:12:56 GMT
Lads this forum is bipolar.
How about we give the players and Jack 3/4 league games and then we can make a call on them.
We were all elated after last week and after one poor second half on a tight pitch, in horrendous conditions, we want lads burned at the stake.
We really lacked a fetcher today and if we had one, probably Moran, the. It would have made a huge difference.
We had to go short most of the time and it just meant that we had to build from our 21 against the wind, which is virtually impossible to do.
Bring back in some ball winners and suddenly our forwards will look a lot better. All our half forwards had to drop deep into our half to get on the ball and this hindered everything.
1/2 ball winners in the middle and we’d look like a completely new team
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Post by chancer on Jan 30, 2022 17:22:15 GMT
A reality check for Kerry, A few things I picked out today for what it's worth.
Gavin White's penetrating runs are a big asset to us, Also Shane Murphy's kick outs to an on rushing White is a smart tactic, White's injury was a turning point, Ben McCormack was very lucky to get away with a ticking for his first foul.
When we hit the inside line quickly and accurately we cause teams problems, We seemed to stop doing it today for some reason, similar to the Tyrone game last year.
We need a midfielder that can make big catches at key times, David Moran would have been handy in the last quarter today, Diarmuid O'Connor's return will help the situation,
Seanie O'Se is needed in the half forward line. At least 50% of the forwards jerseys are up for grabs, Burns,Moynihan,Geaney,Savage,Horan did not take the opportunity to lay a marker today, Killian Spillane started brightly but faded quickly after also.
It's early days and no time to panic but, it's a good while since Kerry won a tight game, a worry
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Post by dc84 on Jan 30, 2022 17:23:56 GMT
Lads this forum is bipolar. How about we give the players and Jack 3/4 league games and then we can make a call on them. We were all elated after last week and after one poor second half on a tight pitch, in horrendous conditions, we want lads burned at the stake. We really lacked a fetcher today and if we had one, probably Moran, the. It would have made a huge difference. We had to go short most of the time and it just meant that we had to build from our 21 against the wind, which is virtually impossible to do. Bring back in some ball winners and suddenly our forwards will look a lot better. All our half forwards had to drop deep into our half to get on the ball and this hindered everything. 1/2 ball winners in the middle and we’d look like a completely new team Couldn't agree more first half we were looking comfortable enough looked like we ran out of steam early in 2nd half. The backs played pretty well I thought for the most part they didn't really look like getting a goal. Forwards bar paudie imo were all fairly poor we need a bit of pace upfront a la o brien in 19 . Did people think kildare weren't going to be up for this and that a fairly makeshift midfield was going to dominate? It was bloody great to be at a match , Jack Barry and o connor into that game and we would've won by 4 id say. Plenty to work on obviously but some of the over the top comments here would make a fella wonder about posting here at all tbh. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 30, 2022 17:31:53 GMT
Can't add alot to what was said but Kildare fully deserved something from that game.
We looked noticeably smaller too and we just don't look physical enough in the HF or HB lines.
Dan O Donoghue had a fine game as did Tom O Sullivan.
I hate saying this but Paul Murphy as courageous as he is is just not big enough.
Although Savage gave a very bad pass to Clifford resulting in a score I still thought he offered way more than Burns and atleast he has a bit of fight in him. We have no badness in that team all a bit nice.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 30, 2022 17:36:57 GMT
We were all elated after last week a 'Elated' after beating Cork with Jack Savage the only one kicking a few points from distance apart from the Clifford brothers. Todays opposition was far more realistic and the opposition will get better. Its whats needed. Cork were very poor v the Rossies today. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 30, 2022 17:40:37 GMT
We were all elated after last week a 'Elated' after beating Cork with Jack Savage the only one kicking a few points from distance apart from the Clifford brothers. Todays opposition was far more realistic and the opposition will get better. Its whats needed. Cork were very poor v the Rossies today. No matter what I said you’d disagree, honestly you need to change the record a bit because it’s becoming tedious as f*ck. I feel like my hormonal teenage sister is following me around this forum. Look back at the comments after the cork game, nearly everyone thought we were flying. |
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Post by taggert on Jan 30, 2022 17:46:53 GMT
We were all elated after last week a 'Elated' after beating Cork with Jack Savage the only one kicking a few points from distance apart from the Clifford brothers. Todays opposition was far more realistic and the opposition will get better. Its whats needed. Cork were very poor v the Rossies today. We've been very good here in Kerry in finding and making excuses over recent years. Far more benefit in a level of introspection and soul searching when faced with some harsh realities rather than dreaming of how great we might be after vanquishing the feeble entities that make up the McGrath cup. |
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