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Post by pintpleasejohn on Jan 5, 2022 10:35:56 GMT
Very strong team/panel named for tonight
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jan 5, 2022 10:39:01 GMT
County Name Ciarraí
Competition / Comórtas McGrath Cup
Against / In aghaidh Luimneach
Date / Dátá: 05/01/2022
County Colours Blue
Name – First & Surname Club Name
(English) (Irish)
1 (GK) Shane Murphy Sean Ó Murchú Dr Crokes
2 Dan O Donoghue Donal Ó Donnchú Spa, Killarney
3 Jason Foley Jason O Foghlu Ballydonoghue
4 Tom O’Sullivan Tomas O Súilleabháin Dingle
5 Pa Warren Padraig Warren Gneeveguilla
6 Mike Breen Micheal O Braoin Beaufort
7 Gavin Crowley Gabhin O Crualaíoch Templenoe
8 Stefan Okunbor Stefan Okunbor Na Gaeil
9 Adrian Spillane Adrian Ó Spealáin Templenoe
10 Dara Moynihan Dara Ó Muineachain Spa, Killarney
11 Paudie Clifford Padraig Ó Clumhain Fossa
12 Stephen O’Brien Stiofan O Briain Kenmare Shamrocks
13 Killian Spillane Cillian Ó Spealáin Templenoe
14 David Clifford Daithi Ó Clumhain Fossa
15 Paul Geaney Pól Ó Geibheannaigh Dingle
16 (GK) Shane Ryan Sean O Riain Rathmore
17 Tony Brosnan Antóin Ó Brosnacháin Dr Crokes
18 Brian Ó Beaglaíoch Brian Ó Beaglaíoch An Ghaeltacht
19 Sean O Shea Sean Ó Sé Kenmare Shamrocks
20 Michael Burns Micheal O Braoin Dr Crokes
21 Jack Savage Jack Savage Kerins O Rahillys
22 Paul O Shea Pól Ó Sé Kilcummin
23 Dara Roche Dara Ó Róiste Glenflesk
24 Cian Gammel Cian Ó Gamail Killarney Legion
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Post by homerj on Jan 5, 2022 10:59:54 GMT
thats nearly a championship team!
not many missing either if you take out the club tied lads, plus the couple of known abseenties for injury and weddings etc
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Post by tonydorigo on Jan 5, 2022 11:02:36 GMT
County Name Ciarraí Competition / Comórtas McGrath Cup Against / In aghaidh Luimneach Date / Dátá: 05/01/2022 County Colours Blue Name – First & Surname Club Name (English) (Irish) 1 (GK) Shane Murphy Sean Ó Murchú Dr Crokes 2 Dan O Donoghue Donal Ó Donnchú Spa, Killarney 3 Jason Foley Jason O Foghlu Ballydonoghue 4 Tom O’Sullivan Tomas O Súilleabháin Dingle 5 Pa Warren Padraig Warren Gneeveguilla 6 Mike Breen Micheal O Braoin Beaufort 7 Gavin Crowley Gabhin O Crualaíoch Templenoe 8 Stefan Okunbor Stefan Okunbor Na Gaeil 9 Adrian Spillane Adrian Ó Spealáin Templenoe 10 Dara Moynihan Dara Ó Muineachain Spa, Killarney 11 Paudie Clifford Padraig Ó Clumhain Fossa 12 Stephen O’Brien Stiofan O Briain Kenmare Shamrocks 13 Killian Spillane Cillian Ó Spealáin Templenoe 14 David Clifford Daithi Ó Clumhain Fossa 15 Paul Geaney Pól Ó Geibheannaigh Dingle 16 (GK) Shane Ryan Sean O Riain Rathmore 17 Tony Brosnan Antóin Ó Brosnacháin Dr Crokes 18 Brian Ó Beaglaíoch Brian Ó Beaglaíoch An Ghaeltacht 19 Sean O Shea Sean Ó Sé Kenmare Shamrocks 20 Michael Burns Micheal O Braoin Dr Crokes 21 Jack Savage Jack Savage Kerins O Rahillys 22 Paul O Shea Pól Ó Sé Kilcummin 23 Dara Roche Dara Ó Róiste Glenflesk 24 Cian Gammel Cian Ó Gamail Killarney Legion No too much experimentation here bar Pa Warren, Dan O'Donoghue and Okunbor. Would Na Gaeil have sanctioned his release so that he can get more games? Happy to see Murphy back in goals as I think he has the best kick out of all the goalies we have. |
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Post by piggott on Jan 5, 2022 11:10:18 GMT
Only six changes from Semi Final team, and three of those were subs that day.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 5, 2022 11:26:07 GMT
Only six changes from Semi Final team, and three of those were subs that day. A good few forwards in the subs though. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 5, 2022 11:29:12 GMT
It's not just selection and it might be worrying if there was a dramatic shift here. Let's see how it pans out and in fairness JO'C did say the big change from PK would be in tactics.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 5, 2022 11:55:01 GMT
Limerick are in for an awful hiding, you could say it’s Limerick’s second team against Kerry’s first team. We won’t learn much tonight due to the quality of the opposition but still it’ll be interesting to see how Mike Breen fares at centre back as well as the 3 new panellists in Dan O’Donoghue, Pa Warren and Stefan Okunbor.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 5, 2022 12:04:55 GMT
I'm surprised by the strenght of the team named, if that team took to the field for a National League game, you would be happy.
I fear for Limerick tonight as this is a clean slate with everyone out to impress, what is more alarming is the bench, Beagloach, Seanie Shea and Paul Shea. The selection of Okunbor doesn't surprise me considering he has a high profile club game on the horizon - both managers Will benefit from he lining out in a competitive game, every 70 minutes is s bonus and will bring him on. What is interesting is his positioning, does Jack see him as potential mid fielder, I know we are down key players for this sector but both Paul O'Shea and Seanie on the bench could line out and are comfortable at eight and nine.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 5, 2022 12:10:44 GMT
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 5, 2022 12:15:35 GMT
Is there really a need to play David Clifford in a Mcgrath cup game.
What are we going to learn from that against a weakened Limerick team.
Surely this should be a second team as much as possible.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 5, 2022 12:21:52 GMT
Is there really a need to play David Clifford in a Mcgrath cup game. What are we going to learn from that against a weakened Limerick team. Surely this should be a second team as much as possible. Jack has a small enough panel so I think it was a case of everyone available was needed when you factor in the unavailability of the Stacks player and the 3 Na Gaeil players, weddings, holidays and the probability that someone on the panel has been affected by covid. Still though, I agree starting Clifford is a bit unnecessary, Brosnan and Roche could have started in the full forward line. Likewise in the half forward line, we’ve seen a lot of Moynihan we’re not going to gain anything by playing him tonight, Savage could have started. I would have liked to see Paul O’Shea start too. Subs will surely be made fairly early. |
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 5, 2022 12:43:49 GMT
Subs will surely be made fairly early. I think I read somewhere that there is unlimited subs allowed in the various pre-league competitions. I'd be hoping that all subs will be on before the 50th minute mark. |
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Post by The16thMan on Jan 5, 2022 12:55:21 GMT
Would like to see Okunbor trialled at FullBack at some stage, he might be what we need there. Too many times have we been bullied by the athletic Full Forward, Brian Hurley, Cathal McShane and Aidan O'Shea come to mind. He'll definitely have the physique to match those guys. Whether he has the defensive capabilities is another question. Only way we get an answer is to see him put there for a few games.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 13:12:03 GMT
Is there really a need to play David Clifford in a Mcgrath cup game. What are we going to learn from that against a weakened Limerick team. Surely this should be a second team as much as possible. that's true, if Clifford gets injured in a McGrath cup game that would be a disaster. |
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 5, 2022 13:18:27 GMT
Would like to see Okunbor trialled at FullBack at some stage, he might be what we need there. Too many times have we been bullied by the athletic Full Forward, Brian Hurley, Cathal McShane and Aidan O'Shea come to mind. He'll definitely have the physique to match those guys. Whether he has the defensive capabilities is another question. Only way we get an answer is to see him put there for a few games. Worth having a look at him for full back but having watched him from his earliest days agility was not his biggest asset - he has the height and strength of a traditional full back but possibly not the agility/mobility of a modern full back. |
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 5, 2022 13:20:58 GMT
Is there really a need to play David Clifford in a Mcgrath cup game. What are we going to learn from that against a weakened Limerick team. Surely this should be a second team as much as possible. that's true, if Clifford gets injured in a McGrath cup game that would be a disaster. A lad can pick up an injury in training - you can't wrap lads in cotton wool and expect them to be at their best at a flip of a switch. I don't buy into players being too valuable to play in a Mc Grath cup game. |
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Post by MeathExile on Jan 5, 2022 14:05:52 GMT
Is there really a need to play David Clifford in a Mcgrath cup game. What are we going to learn from that against a weakened Limerick team. Surely this should be a second team as much as possible. that's true, if Clifford gets injured in a McGrath cup game that would be a disaster. Totally agree. Jason is not a full back - his strength is his speed to the ball - if he is not first to the ball he struggles to contain his man. Morley much better option IMO, or else lets see what Stefan can bring. Delighted to see some more brawn being introduced to the defence - Mike B at CB a very necessary step also. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 5, 2022 14:14:23 GMT
that's true, if Clifford gets injured in a McGrath cup game that would be a disaster. Totally agree. Jason is not a full back - his strength is his speed to the ball - if he is not first to the ball he struggles to contain his man. Morley much better option IMO, or else lets see what Stefan can bring. Delighted to see some more brawn being introduced to the defence - Mike B at CB a very necessary step also. What is Jason in your opinion so, only a corner back? Dylan Casey also an option at full back. Agree on bringing a bit more brawn to the defence, good to see. I think Dan O’Donoghue at corner back really adds to this. Be great if Mike Breen could really make the 6 position his own. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 5, 2022 14:19:14 GMT
that's true, if Clifford gets injured in a McGrath cup game that would be a disaster. A lad can pick up an injury in training - you can't wrap lads in cotton wool and expect them to be at their best at a flip of a switch. I don't buy into players being too valuable to play in a Mc Grath cup game. That's fair enough but him shooting the lights out when others need game time me makes little sense to me. |
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Post by veteran on Jan 5, 2022 14:21:58 GMT
A surprisingly strong team being put out by Jack. It suggests that Jack means business , realising that there is no honeymoon period for a Kerry manager , particularly one as honours laden as Jack. It is 2022 or never. In that context it is likely that he will only select fellows , in any competition, who could seriously challenge for at least a championship panel place this year rather than looking further down the road. I would not disagree with that approach.
I can understand people having misgivings about playing David but I have a feeling that devil wants to play every minute of every game and I also agree with the suggestion that a player is as likely to get injured in training as he is during a match. Witness poor Gavin O’Brien prior to the county final. A not unusual occurrence. Hope you are recovering Gavin.
Whoseinmidfield queries Dara Moynihan’s inclusion on the basis of we have little to learn about Dara. I am a big fan of Dara’s but he needs to consolidate his position this year. He has most of the attributes of a hardworking wing forward but can be a bit naive and needs to develop more awareness of what is happening elsewhere. He is not there yet and therefore needs every opportunity to broaden his skills range.
Delighted to see Stefan thrown in there . Unsure whether his future lies at midfield or further back. We will find out after plenty of exposure.
Adrian Spillane cannot complain about lack of opportunities. I was more optimistic about Adrian some years ago. An aspect of his play which annoyed me was that too often he acts the clown. Pulling and dragging to the detriment of his own game, Message to you Adrian: make the ball your target. Otherwise it is the highway to nowhere for you.
Apart from the club tied lads, the only player , off the top of my head, whom I would like to have seen included is Donal O’Sullivan.
Finally, it looks like Paul G. and Stephen O’Brien are committing for 2022. I am not displeased with that . Their inclusion is another indication that Jack feels it must be this year, saying if there are better replacements as the year goes on it is they who will feature rather than those two lads. I like the sound of that . If you want your place , kill or be killed. Ruthlessness will be the order of the day. Yes, Jack is telling us it is now or never. I always suspected that was going to be his brief.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 5, 2022 14:39:23 GMT
Is there really a need to play David Clifford in a Mcgrath cup game. What are we going to learn from that against a weakened Limerick team. Surely this should be a second team as much as possible. Jack has a small enough panel so I think it was a case of everyone available was needed when you factor in the unavailability of the Stacks player and the 3 Na Gaeil players, weddings, holidays and the probability that someone on the panel has been affected by covid. Still though, I agree starting Clifford is a bit unnecessary, Brosnan and Roche could have started in the full forward line. Likewise in the half forward line, we’ve seen a lot of Moynihan we’re not going to gain anything by playing him tonight, Savage could have started. I would have liked to see Paul O’Shea start too. Subs will surely be made fairly early. Savage has been isolating with covid for the last while |
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Post by thehermit on Jan 5, 2022 14:39:50 GMT
Could it be a case that Jack is laying down a marker here. Whether your name is D Clifford or C Gammel your reputation means nothing to me kind of thing? Show me what you got, fight for your place or by by birdie...
Jack was always a bit ruthless as we know, indeed maybe in the end of his last tenure he wasn't ruthless enough by his standards.
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Post by buck02 on Jan 5, 2022 14:43:20 GMT
I was going to go in to have a look at some fringe players but there isn't much point after looking at that team heading in to watch them play the Limerick juniors.
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Post by hatchetman on Jan 5, 2022 14:52:29 GMT
I was going to go in to have a look at some fringe players but there isn't much point after looking at that team heading in to watch them play the Limerick juniors. Might be a dummy team. Keep them Limerick boys guessing. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 5, 2022 15:06:32 GMT
“Whoseinmidfield queries Dara Moynihan’s inclusion on the basis of we have little to learn about Dara. I am a big fan of Dara’s but he needs to consolidate his position this year. He has most of the attributes of a hardworking wing forward but can be a bit naive and needs to develop more awareness of what is happening elsewhere. He is not there yet and therefore needs every opportunity to broaden his skills range.”
I’d agree with all that Veteran. What I was getting at is that I find he always plays well in league games etc. but any question marks I’d have around him is can he do it in an All Ireland semi final or final against Dublin or Tyrone when the intensity is huge. We obviously won’t learn about that tonight. I didn’t mean to say he’s on a Clifford and and Tom O’Sullivan level where we know they’ll produce on the biggest days. In contrast I think it’s good Stephen O’Brien is lining out because he didn’t catch form at all in 2021. Hopefully the 2019 version will re-emerge this year. He’d want to be showing in this type of game.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 5, 2022 15:58:44 GMT
The year is all over in 7 months, so no time to mess around, if we go all the way maximum 14 or 15 competitive games, so all hands to the pumps, if we are looking to change the way we played from previous years, we need everyone on the same page. I think it’s important over the McGrath cup that we give the bench maximum time as we adjust to a new style, which I assume will happen.
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Post by gaelicden on Jan 5, 2022 18:51:53 GMT
For anyone that is streaming, is clubber.ie working? Tried to buy the game and it said my card was invalid, then it logged me out, now I can't log in again. Must be collapsing under the weight of Kerry expectation.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 5, 2022 18:53:22 GMT
For anyone that is streaming, is clubber.ie working? Tried to buy the game and it said my card was invalid, then it logged me out, now I can't log in again. Must be collapsing under the weight of Kerry expectation. Took me a few go's to had to change card wouldn't take my debit card. |
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Post by kingdomkerry on Jan 5, 2022 18:55:23 GMT
What time is throw in?
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