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Post by john4 on Jul 22, 2021 21:16:18 GMT
Interesting suggestion that Cork will play 2 sweepers. Will Kerry also play 2 sweepers. Will 2 of the Kerry backs go forward or will they stay in their own half. Could make a very boring game but could be good experience if Tyrone win Ulster. Gavin Crowley was free in the sweeper position against Tipperary and Tom Sullivan was effectively a 4th half forward. I'd expect the same v Cork, Tom Sullivan and Paudie were real thorns in the Tipperary match. Interestingly, when the teams lined out for the 2nd half throw in, both Kerry and Tipperary had 4 each across the half forward line marked by 4. With 2 inside forwards at both ends. Oh how the game has changed!
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Post by Deise Exile on Jul 22, 2021 22:02:50 GMT
totally disagree. I think Brosnan is a bit part player but Killian is top drawer and is held as an impact sub and will play a huge part. if kerry go all the way I'm convinced Killian will play a massive part What bit do you totally disagree with? That Killian and Tony will be chasing the same 'impact sub' role. Or if they both come on it will mean Kerry are probably going to be chasing the game. I disagree that if killian is on then we are in trouble. I believe he is part of the plan irrespective of whether we are winning or not.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jul 22, 2021 22:07:04 GMT
Would be a very big loss. Burns can play the same role but just isn’t as good. If Killian Spillane or Brosnan come in then it’s changing the structure of our forward line. Moynihan would be a big loss as he has been excellent this year. I do think Burns is capable of more than he showed against Tipperary. I wonder would they consider (don't shoot me for suggesting it) Paul Murphy in the forwards, not as an extra defender but in the role that Moynihan plays which includes high work rate and tracking back. omg
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Post by Lolly Valance on Jul 22, 2021 22:36:45 GMT
Moynihan would be a big loss as he has been excellent this year. I do think Burns is capable of more than he showed against Tipperary. I wonder would they consider (don't shoot me for suggesting it) Paul Murphy in the forwards, not as an extra defender but in the role that Moynihan plays which includes high work rate and tracking back. omg I am advocating picking Murphy for a specific role. And he has played as a forward for Kerry before. Unlike last year where BOB was played wing forward for no reason. I have no problem if Burns plays there but, he has a tendency to give away silly frees
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 22, 2021 22:44:34 GMT
What is in the psyche of Cork football they they are totally satiated after they beat Kerry. Its quite an extraordinary situation when you think about it for a county the size of Cork.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 22, 2021 23:08:17 GMT
I presume the sticking point for attendance in Killarney is the fact most of the ground is terraced rather than seated. Maintaining distance between fans on a terrace is more challenging.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 22, 2021 23:12:42 GMT
I presume the sticking point for attendance in Killarney is the fact most of the ground is terraced rather than seated. Maintaining distance between fans on a terrace is more challenging. Yes I believe that's the case, I know this is unpopular but I'd have moved the game. The year that is in it for people to get to see it would have meant a lot after a horrible 12 months. I know Killarney is a fortress but I don't think we need a fortress to beat Cork. That's just the way I see it.
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Post by kingdomofciar on Jul 23, 2021 2:53:37 GMT
With the beautiful terrace in Killarney, where groups of 4,5 or 6 people or a family, could travel together to the game, pick a spot and sit and watch the Munster final. With plenty room to keep a bit of distance between each group. What difference is there to Semple stadium.... This decision is ludicrous.
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Post by billh on Jul 23, 2021 3:32:17 GMT
What’s the story with attendance so, is it definitely only 2500? I thought 4000 had government backing so who or what’s the problem there? Also have tickets been distributed to clubs yet? Anybody else feel limitations on attendance could work in our favor in an AI final against the Dubs in Croker?
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Post by john4 on Jul 23, 2021 7:57:48 GMT
I presume the sticking point for attendance in Killarney is the fact most of the ground is terraced rather than seated. Maintaining distance between fans on a terrace is more challenging. Very likely, in fact, it might even have been hard to convince the authorities that rows of painted 3x2's are in fact seats! That stand is in need of some serious investment.
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Post by veteran on Jul 23, 2021 8:35:43 GMT
With the beautiful terrace in Killarney, where groups of 4,5 or 6 people or a family, could travel together to the game, pick a spot and sit and watch the Munster final. With plenty room to keep a bit of distance between each group. What difference is there to Semple stadium.... This decision is ludicrous. I fear in the current situation logic, like the curlew , is on the verge of extinction.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 23, 2021 12:48:26 GMT
I will take my advice from the medical professionals on this one. Dividing the expanses of Terracing in Killarney would be a pain in the rear end. Would you need a steward to escort every group over to their individual corall.
Semple Stadium is a better option for bigger crowds because all the seating is numbered. However I am glad KCB did not give away home advantage for the sake of an extra few hundred seats.
The last thing we want is a situation like the Meath County Final last year with gangs of people sitting on top of each other especially with the Delta Variants transmissability.
We have a long way to go before full normality returns unfortunately
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Post by buck02 on Jul 23, 2021 13:26:37 GMT
Kerry 1-22 Cork 2-11
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 23, 2021 14:54:02 GMT
I think Cork will recall the mayhem in the Kerry fullback line when Dublin launched a few scud missiles in the league game v Dublin in Thurles. The winning goal last year in the Kerry Cork game came from a similar tactic. So i expect a few of those.
Forget all known form. Cork will be there for most of the game and hopefully Kerry show some semblance of an ability to close it out.
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Post by veteran on Jul 23, 2021 14:59:37 GMT
Consistent with their entire football history, whenever they are given little chance against Kerry, I expect Cork to put in a manic effort on Sunday.
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Post by dano on Jul 23, 2021 16:24:15 GMT
I can't remember if it was Paul Galvin or Gooch that said in their book how Paudi would be watching up and coming players and commenting on their Progress. Someone might say a certain player was ready. "Is he ready for Cork Though?" Paudi would retort. He knew and respected the Rebels. Only a fool wouldn't
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Post by mike70 on Jul 23, 2021 17:49:07 GMT
Always respect and prepare for your opponents, that’s the teams job, but if cork beat the handicap on Sunday , we have lots of work to do, last year should not have happened, management carried that one, tomo looks like we will have the team we all expect, now it’s time for the players to deliver, 10 point victory, we are way ahead of cork, that’s the reality. Yes we will need our right attitude , we need to ensure that cork don’t drag us down, get involved in off the ball stuff, focused and disciplined will see us into semi final.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 23, 2021 17:57:23 GMT
Irish Examiner Logo NEWS SPORT LIFESTYLE OPINION 'I fully believe we’re going to beat them': Seán Powter and Cork bouncing back from final heartbreak The versatile Douglas clubman was man of the match in last year’s extra-time Munster semi-final win over this weekend’s opponents 'I fully believe we’re going to beat them': Seán Powter and Cork bouncing back from final heartbreak Cork's Sean Powter is blocked by Paul Murphy of Kerry during last year's Munster SFC clash. Picture: INPHO/Laszlo Geczo
THU, 22 JUL, 2021 - 06:00 EOGHAN CORMICAN
Seán Powter said there is “a genuine belief” within the Cork panel that they are going to topple Kerry in the latter’s backyard this weekend.
Central to this belief, the 23-year-old explained, is the manner in which the group has bonded over last year’s Munster final defeat to Tipperary and the confidence brought to the table by players who won an All-Ireland U20 title two summers ago.
“I fully believe we’re going to beat them. We’ve beaten them all the way up, U21, and we beat them last year,” Powter remarked.
“This year, we’ve bonded over the loss to Tipperary. Games like Clare and Limerick the last day, we would have lost those games two or three years ago.
“Tipperary’s playing at the back of our minds, as well. We have a Munster final to rectify and that’s been biting us since November last year.”
The panel’s more experienced members, Powter added, have picked up on the fearlessness of those not long in the door.
“I think that the younger players have an arrogance about them. Since winning the U20 final, they feel, ‘Jeez, I can take on the world,’ and that has fed up to the older fellas.
There is a genuine belief that we’re going to go down to Killarney and win a Munster final. The versatile Douglas clubman was man of the match in last year’s extra-time Munster semi-final win over this weekend’s opponents, a low-scoring arm wrestle pockmarked by endless sequences of lateral handpassing and congested defences.
Powter is expecting a much different contest at Fitzgerald Stadium.
“There’ll be a lot more football the next day, kick-passing and stuff. It’ll be a stiffer test for the defence but I feel like we’ll be up for them.”
It was Seán O’Shea he picked up in last year’s semi-final and if it is the 2019 All-Star he is again assigned on Sunday, Powter won’t get too wrapped up in the capabilities of the Kenmare centre-forward.
“I’ve played with Seán (at UCC) and I know his game, but I focus on myself, visualising tackling him and sending him up the other side of the pitch, that kind of thing.”
His direct running game was so central to Cork dumping Kerry out of the 2020 Championship, as it was in the county’s recent Munster semi-final, during which he kicked two first-half points from play.
His ability to operate as an auxiliary forward is both a help and a hindrance, he said.
“Sometimes, I don’t know where I’m going to end up playing until the Thursday night before a match, which can be annoying, but I’m just happy to be playing rather than watching in the stand with a torn hamstring.”
Given the lengthy period of time he has spent on the sideline because of nine separate hamstring tears, there was concern at the sight of Powter being substituted 41 minutes into the Munster semi-final win over Limerick. In the end, it materialised to be nothing more than a dead leg.
“It’s never something that has played on my mind. When I’m in a game, I just let go. I feel like when I do start thinking about it in a match is when I’ll have to consider stopping playing.”
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Post by ciarrai92 on Jul 23, 2021 19:01:29 GMT
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Post by taggert on Jul 23, 2021 19:31:24 GMT
That Pa Kilkenny is on the panel suggests the pool of defenders is very shallow indeed.
Kerry to win barring several acts of lunacy such as Burns losing the head, the forwards kicking as badly as they did with their 30+ efforts last November or a 6ft 5in sub not jumping for a high ball in his own square.
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Post by KY50 on Jul 23, 2021 19:56:41 GMT
Last year Cork did a lot of homework in advance of the game in trying to influence officials, Also If you watch the warm up before the match their players and mentors were very much hands on with the match officials. Also interested to see what targeting goes on off the ball from them, probably a waste of time looking to umpires in that regard. If Powter is put on Sean might be good to move him to FF for periods and send a few high ones in.
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Post by brigid on Jul 23, 2021 20:03:02 GMT
Not a great team but should be good enough to defeat Cork, might struggle V Tyrone or Monaghan. While Dublin are not great this year they are not that bad.
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Post by veteran on Jul 23, 2021 20:16:49 GMT
No major surprises with the selection .
It is a shame that Dara Moynihan is unavailable once more. He had cemented his place on the team.
Mike Breen continues to dislodge Paul Murphy which is a fair achievement.
As Taggart suggests, Pa Kilkenny is one of these guys who holds his place on a panel without ever pushing for a place.
Any sign of the Cork selection. They are usually quick out of the blocks with their line out.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 23, 2021 20:20:23 GMT
A lot of negative vibes here lads ! With the exception of Moynihan thats about as good a team as we can put out geaney has a great record vs cork and I wouldn't be surprised if he a surprised a few people, having the option of spillane off the bench is fantastic imo.
As long as Paul plays where his number suggests I have no issues. Breen to take o Rourke makes me feel a bit better than Murphy tbh they have targeted thst a few times
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Post by john4 on Jul 23, 2021 20:54:52 GMT
No major surprises with the selection . It is a shame that Dara Moynihan is unavailable once more. He had cemented his place on the team. Mike Breen continues to dislodge Paul Murphy which is a fair achievement. As Taggart suggests, Pa Kilkenny is one of these guys who holds his place on a panel without ever pushing for a place. Any sign of the Cork selection. They are usually quick out of the blocks with their line out. Cork Senior football team for Munster final will be announced on Saturday at 9pm.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 23, 2021 21:18:47 GMT
The bench feels unbalance. There are 5 backs, 2 midfielders and 3 forwards. Of course there are a few who can play in a few positions but still it does feel a bit lopsided.
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Post by goforit2 on Jul 23, 2021 21:49:00 GMT
I'm very happy with that team. Beaglaoich is the only one I'd question.
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Post by The16thMan on Jul 23, 2021 21:50:46 GMT
By right this game shouldn't be close but I think Cork will play a similar game plan to Tipperary simply because Cork don't have the forward line to outscore Kerry in a shootout and that they won a low scoring game vs Kerry last year so they will try to congest the Kerry forwards as much as possible. I still think Kerry will win but I don't think it will be any more than 6/7 points, it's a pressure game for P.Keane because he knows if he looses this not only will he not get his term renewed but his management period will be seen as a failure. Usually a game like this for Kerry wouldn't be as high pressure but the fact that Cork won the last meeting means it's extremely high pressure, but I think the team will be as highly motivated as ever to beat Cork because of the difference between the teams and the fact that they need to right the wrongs of last season.
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Post by billh on Jul 23, 2021 22:23:32 GMT
I'm very happy with that team. Beaglaoich is the only one I'd question. Who would u replace him with?
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Post by goforit2 on Jul 23, 2021 22:31:09 GMT
I'm very happy with that team. Beaglaoich is the only one I'd question. Who would u replace him with? I don't have a major issue with Beaglaoich. He is a really good ball player. However I don't have as much confidence in him as a defender as the rest of the back line.
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