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Post by veteran on May 31, 2021 10:57:06 GMT
Even allowing for the fact that we are inclined to underestimate Roscommon, they have some fine footballers particularly in the forward line, one could not be happy with the Kerry performance , especially in the back line, in the first half. As against Dublin, most of the time the backs were standing yards off their men , putting in half hearted tackles. Repeatedly, more than one back was drawn to an opponent, leaving another player free to run unmolested into an open space. Luckily, Roscommon did not have the firepower or nous to translate these openings into goals. Tyrone may not look at so many gift horses in the mouth. Similar to the Dublin game, our midfield and forwards were bailing us out in that opening half. WE desperately need a generalissimo in that backline, who can sniff and thereby anticipate danger and organise his militia accordingly. At present, there appears to be little coordination or communication among the defenders , everybody flying solo, often blind and aimlessly. Ideally, this commander would be a centre back. . I am not sure if we possess such an overlord. Paul Murphy would have the brain for such a role but not the physique. There are times when I feel Jack Sherwood would have the required qualities but I am not sure.
In any case, these deficiencies in our defensive set up continue to alarm and the worry is that the day will come when our offensive players will not be able to rescue us. Looking at the TV it was difficult to make out who was marking who. In the early stages , it looked as if Graham O'Sullivan was on Conor Cox. He dispossessed him well on one occasion and on another occasion, Conor scored a fine point but Graham made him work extremely hard for it. No fault there. However , on other occasions he seemed to lose his sense of position and as a result his opponent. There was a classic incident in the first half when a long kick was floated over his head , secured by his opponent who crashed it against he bar. A mortal sin not to be goal side of your opponent so close to goal. I was expecting more from Graham and it will be interesting to see how performs against Tyrone if selected. Tom O'Sullivan looked like a man who has not seen a ball since Christmas which is likely to be the case. The last thing we need for the summer is an out of form Tom O'Sullivan. Jason was probably the most consistent of the backs without scaling heights which would induce dizziness. He and Brian O'Beaglaigh were very poor for the Roscommon goal. That goal of course resulted from a sloppy breakdown further outfield. Mike Breen looks like a steady character. He has a fine physique and appears to have a steeliness which other backs lack. Perhaps, a central position would be more suitable for him. Who knows, Mike might develop into that generalissimo!
Diarmuid O'Connor continues to bring that long awaited and needed energy to his game. Interestingly, he won both throw ins. He clearly won the first one but was instantly dragged to the ground. A free to Kerry and a black card to Roscommon. No. we will throw it in again lads. Uncle Joe is still at large. Talking of black cards. Not one brandished yesterday when one thought they would have been appropriate on occasions. Whatever is fashionable from game to game I suppose. David Moran was more prominent than in the Dublin game.
Ronan Buckley, in spite of kicking a fine point from a DC pass, was rarely involved. He has a bit to go to reach this standard. Stephen O'Brien showed glimpses of form, as did Paul Geaney. I felt Tony Brosnan did very well. He has got very strong and kicked two fine points. You cannot have too many scorers. The indefatigable Paudie Clifford once more showed what value he adds to the team. He tirelessly and profitably roams , setting up two goal chances for the sibling. One chance the sibling scored and the other where the sibling had his shot blocked. Must do better David.
I presume I have seen Joe O'Connor playing for Austin Stacks but I cannot recall it. He is a fine cut of a man and for such a fine cut of a man he didn't half take his gaol chance, sliding it home with the aplomb of a DC or PG. Big men are not supposed to do things like that , Joe.
it is hard to adjudicate on the Tadgh Morley incident. The camera pictures were not conclusive but going in high like that leaves you the mercy of the referee. Being at the mercy of the referee is never a happy place. One aspect of the incident that intrigues me , if my recall is accurate. Usually, when a player goes down injured after what is perceived to be a dangerous head high tackle, the referee attends to the injured player first to make sure that all is well in that department before dealing with the offender. My recall is that Uncle Joe ignored the injured player and went straight to Tadgh. No time for reflection , no consultation with linesman. Can anybody clearly recall the sequence of events? As I say, I maybe wrong.
I suspect Peter Keane will have mixed feeling about the match. I am sure he did not expect to have to introduce so many of his heavy weights like Sean O'Shea, Paul Murphy, Gavin White. Plenty to ruminate on.
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Post by buck02 on May 31, 2021 11:01:51 GMT
In the first half Paudie Clifford was bursting through on goal when Conor Cox made a forwards tackle and grounded him inside the 20m line.
A penalty under the new rules says I.
A free in says Dublin Joe.
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Post by southward on May 31, 2021 12:16:11 GMT
In the first half Paudie Clifford was bursting through on goal when Conor Cox made a forwards tackle and grounded him inside the 20m line. A penalty under the new rules says I. A free in says Dublin Joe. Should have been black too. In fact Roscommon might have had many more cards than they got; seemed to be fouling incessantly without any real sanction by Joe until very late on. In contrast, Tony Brosnan was yellow-carded for nothing and as for Morley's red - Jesus wept! I hope the County Board aren't accepting this.
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Post by ataboy on May 31, 2021 12:21:58 GMT
In the first half Paudie Clifford was bursting through on goal when Conor Cox made a forwards tackle and grounded him inside the 20m line. A penalty under the new rules says I. A free in says Dublin Joe. Absolutely not. Wasn't a certain goal opportunity, plenty of defenders around. The cards for Brosnan and Morley were ridiculous though.
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Post by Jo90 on May 31, 2021 13:17:55 GMT
Kerry won the toss. Kerry V Tyrone in Kerry
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Post by buck02 on May 31, 2021 13:46:16 GMT
In the first half Paudie Clifford was bursting through on goal when Conor Cox made a forwards tackle and grounded him inside the 20m line. A penalty under the new rules says I. A free in says Dublin Joe. Absolutely not. Wasn't a certain goal opportunity, plenty of defenders around. The cards for Brosnan and Morley were ridiculous though. I disagree. For Davids goal, if Paudie has been brought down in a similar manner you would also have said that wasn't a goal opportunity. I would say any time you can pass the ball to David Clifford in the square is a goal opportunity.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 31, 2021 14:33:09 GMT
An All-England Champions League final played in Portugal and not an English man to be seen by the hundreds on millions watching on, with a German putting wan over on a Frenchman being the wan 'n' only score of the day - laddos have been taken off for cheeky scoring like that in parish leagues. Ah what am I talking about, hadn't we a lazy goal like that lately, auld DC too lazy to bend down to lift the ball, sure the job was already done at that stage for we'll forgive him for giving us the nugget of a Champions League final for afters. 'Tiz at time like this I think Mick O'Connell knows what he is talking about! What are you talking about. Chelsea had chilwell, James and mount in their starting 11. Man city had stones, foden and sterling. Soccer is a global game now. The best players play for the best clubs. They play for the best money someone said, Kerrymen play for the best club!
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 31, 2021 14:36:15 GMT
Kerry won the toss. Kerry V Tyrone in Kerry Not how it was decided - 'Kerry were entitled to home venue because they had only one regulation home game to Tyrone's two.' Joyce is furious as Monaghan got home advantage because, well they hadn't a home game yet because, well, they were naughty - now it pay off - still you'd have thought there was favours owed here or maybe the account balance was nil, more likely closed now!
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Post by colinsworth1 on May 31, 2021 14:51:45 GMT
Even allowing for the fact that we are inclined to underestimate Roscommon, they have some fine footballers particularly in the forward line, one could not be happy with the Kerry performance , especially in the back line, in the first half. As against Dublin, most of the time the backs were standing yards off their men , putting in half hearted tackles. Repeatedly, more than one back was drawn to an opponent, leaving another player free to run unmolested into an open space. Luckily, Roscommon did not have the firepower or nous to translate these openings into goals. Tyrone may not look at so many gift horses in the mouth. Similar to the Dublin game, our midfield and forwards were bailing us out in that opening half. WE desperately need a generalissimo in that backline, who can sniff and thereby anticipate danger and organise his militia accordingly. At present, there appears to be little coordination or communication among the defenders , everybody flying solo, often blind and aimlessly. Ideally, this commander would be a centre back. . I am not sure if we possess such an overlord. Paul Murphy would have the brain for such a role but not the physique. There are times when I feel Jack Sherwood would have the required qualities but I am not sure. In any case, these deficiencies in our defensive set up continue to alarm and the worry is that the day will come when our offensive players will not be able to rescue us. Looking at the TV it was difficult to make out who was marking who. In the early stages , it looked as if Graham O'Sullivan was on Conor Cox. He dispossessed him well on one occasion and on another occasion, Conor scored a fine point but Graham made him work extremely hard for it. No fault there. However , on other occasions he seemed to lose his sense of position and as a result his opponent. There was a classic incident in the first half when a long kick was floated over his head , secured by his opponent who crashed it against he bar. A mortal sin not to be goal side of your opponent so close to goal. I was expecting more from Graham and it will be interesting to see how performs against Tyrone if selected. Tom O'Sullivan looked like a man who has not seen a ball since Christmas which is likely to be the case. The last thing we need for the summer is an out of form Tom O'Sullivan. Jason was probably the most consistent of the backs without scaling heights which would induce dizziness. He and Brian O'Beaglaigh were very poor for the Roscommon goal. That goal of course resulted from a sloppy breakdown further outfield. Mike Breen looks like a steady character. He has a fine physique and appears to have a steeliness which other backs lack. Perhaps, a central position would be more suitable for him. Who knows, Mike might develop into that generalissimo! Diarmuid O'Connor continues to bring that long awaited and needed energy to his game. Interestingly, he won both throw ins. He clearly won the first one but was instantly dragged to the ground. A free to Kerry and a black card to Roscommon. No. we will throw it in again lads. Uncle Joe is still at large. Talking of black cards. Not one brandished yesterday when one thought they would have been appropriate on occasions. Whatever is fashionable from game to game I suppose. David Moran was more prominent than in the Dublin game. Ronan Buckley, in spite of kicking a fine point from a DC pass, was rarely involved. He has a bit to go to reach this standard. Stephen O'Brien showed glimpses of form, as did Paul Geaney. I felt Tony Brosnan did very well. He has got very strong and kicked two fine points. You cannot have too many scorers. The indefatigable Paudie Clifford once more showed what value he adds to the team. He tirelessly and profitably roams , setting up two goal chances for the sibling. One chance the sibling scored and the other where the sibling had his shot blocked. Must do better David. I presume I have seen Joe O'Connor playing for Austin Stacks but I cannot recall it. He is a fine cut of a man and for such a fine cut of a man he didn't half take his gaol chance, sliding it home with the aplomb of a DC or PG. Big men are not supposed to do things like that , Joe. it is hard to adjudicate on the Tadgh Morley incident. The camera pictures were not conclusive but going in high like that leaves you the mercy of the referee. Being at the mercy of the referee is never a happy place. One aspect of the incident that intrigues me , if my recall is accurate. Usually, when a player goes down injured after what is perceived to be a dangerous head high tackle, the referee attends to the injured player first to make sure that all is well in that department before dealing with the offender. My recall is that Uncle Joe ignored the injured player and went straight to Tadgh. No time for reflection , no consultation with linesman. Can anybody clearly recall the sequence of events? As I say, I maybe wrong. I suspect Peter Keane will have mixed feeling about the match. I am sure he did not expect to have to introduce so many of his heavy weights like Sean O'Shea, Paul Murphy, Gavin White. Plenty to ruminate on. Regards Morleys red card Tadgh ran hard into two players probably overly enthusiastically after coming off the bench.He saw Murtaghs head about to crash into his so he put his two hand up to protect himself. This action would be a most basic human instinct of any player. Same as when one falls the normal instinct is to put your two hands out for protection hence many people break hands and wrists from a fall. Breaking a hand or wrist is much better that a head injury. If Morley hadn’t put his hands out and mitigated the effects of the impending impact then the outcome could have been a lot worse it could have be a head to head clash. Absolutely no intent to injure on the part of Tadgh could it have been considered wreckless/dangerous ? Possibly but keep in mind that Tadgh could have turned his shoulder into the oncoming player who head was down very low with no control over where he was going . Tadgh with his head up took the action that resulted in the least amount of damage . Let’s hope Ciarain is ok today what a fabulous player he is . Let hope common sense prevails and Tadgh is treated fairly and can be fully ready for the “Red Hand” in a few weeks . Joe O Connor what a cameo you may not have see too much of him as I believe he was with Munster Rubgy for a few years I have him in mind to give the mighty james Mc Carthy a run for his money one day soon . We could well have two O Connors center field up ahead .
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Post by mafi97 on May 31, 2021 22:01:10 GMT
I know there is not much time available - and I do not indulge myself in fantasies that I know more than the Management Team who see the players on an ongoing basis - but, I would really, really, really like to see Joe O'Connor given a meaningful chance to see what he can do at this level. Without doubt, there is a huge difference between club and inter-county level, but going on the few games I've seen from Joe at club level, he appears to have that kangaroo characteristic of not being capable of going backwards. I don't know how performs in training - but he looks a serious proposition from his club contributions. Just something different about him.
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Post by mafi97 on May 31, 2021 22:26:59 GMT
I know there is not much time available - and I do not indulge myself in fantasies that I know more than the Management Team who see the players on an ongoing basis - but, I would really, really, really like to see Joe O'Connor given a meaningful chance to see what he can do at this level. Without doubt, there is a huge difference between club and inter-county level, but going on the few games I've seen from Joe at club level, he appears to have that kangaroo characteristic of not being capable of going backwards. I don't know how performs in training - but he looks a serious proposition from his club contributions. Just something different about him. On the subject of midfield, I had the long delayed pleasure of a coffee earlier today with a former real performer in the Green and Gold. He was waxing eloquently on the continued progression of Diarmuid O'Connor over the past two years. He made the point that some guys just make the impact from the word go, like Mick O'Connell or Tom Long or Brian O'Driscoll or Johnny Giles. Others just take time to get to grips with a new environment - they don't trust their own ability to operate. He sees O'Connor improving by about 5% each game, as he gets more comfortable with the concept of being able to dominate - rather than just being an effective cog. I am very much of the same view and hope that he keeps adding the 5% as each game comes along.
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Post by kerryexile on May 31, 2021 22:56:00 GMT
Great post. Great phrase "being able to dominate - rather than just being an effective cog".
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Post by ballhopper34 on May 31, 2021 23:14:04 GMT
Kerry won the toss. Kerry V Tyrone in Kerry Now how it was decided - 'Kerry were entitled to home venue because they had only one regulation home game to Tyrone's two.' Joyce is furious as Monaghan got home advantage because, well they hadn't a home game yet because, well, they were naughty - now it pay off - still you'd have thought there was favours owed here or maybe the account balance was nil, more likely closed now! You (like Joyce) are incorrect in thinking that Monaghan's loss of a home game came into play in deciding the Monaghan/Galway venue. Monaghan had one home game scheduled, Galway had 2. The fact that Monaghan lost the hosting of their home game does not change the semi-final venue decision. Just like Donegal and Dublin both had one scheduled home game meant their meeting would be decided by toss, or neutral venue if both agreed (which they did, so game is in Breffni).
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 1, 2021 1:04:00 GMT
Now how it was decided - 'Kerry were entitled to home venue because they had only one regulation home game to Tyrone's two.' Joyce is furious as Monaghan got home advantage because, well they hadn't a home game yet because, well, they were naughty - now it pay off - still you'd have thought there was favours owed here or maybe the account balance was nil, more likely closed now! You (like Joyce) are incorrect in thinking that Monaghan's loss of a home game came into play in deciding the Monaghan/Galway venue. Monaghan had one home game scheduled, Galway had 2. The fact that Monaghan lost the hosting of their home game does not change the semi-final venue decision. Just like Donegal and Dublin both had one scheduled home game meant their meeting would be decided by toss, or neutral venue if both agreed (which they did, so game is in Breffni). Ya had me there for a minute, I thought you waz sayin I waz making the same mistakes as James Joyce when you waz only playing hopball! BTW are ya sure - did you know both Dubs and Monaghan were punished for training early? I'm only saying what I heard, did it echo across the pond?
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Post by peanuts on Jun 1, 2021 19:50:34 GMT
I know there is not much time available - and I do not indulge myself in fantasies that I know more than the Management Team who see the players on an ongoing basis - but, I would really, really, really like to see Joe O'Connor given a meaningful chance to see what he can do at this level. Without doubt, there is a huge difference between club and inter-county level, but going on the few games I've seen from Joe at club level, he appears to have that kangaroo characteristic of not being capable of going backwards. I don't know how performs in training - but he looks a serious proposition from his club contributions. Just something different about him. On the subject of midfield, I had the long delayed pleasure of a coffee earlier today with a former real performer in the Green and Gold. He was waxing eloquently on the continued progression of Diarmuid O'Connor over the past two years. He made the point that some guys just make the impact from the word go, like Mick O'Connell or Tom Long or Brian O'Driscoll or Johnny Giles. Others just take time to get to grips with a new environment - they don't trust their own ability to operate. He sees O'Connor improving by about 5% each game, as he gets more comfortable with the concept of being able to dominate - rather than just being an effective cog. I am very much of the same view and hope that he keeps adding the 5% as each game comes along. People tend to forget that O’Connor is only 22 this year (not sure of his birthday) and I think we were expecting too much too soon from him. It’s great to see him developing in front of our eyes this league. He looks like he will have a big part to play in this and future years. Having said that I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up at wing forward for the championship.
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