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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 29, 2021 16:09:16 GMT
He was Scaul, made up for his shocking display of squandermania in the drawn game. Anyway, its a moot point as with Griffin on the line, he will be there or thereabouts for all games. Happy to be proven wrong later in the year but for me he categorically does not have the legs for it anymore. Of course, there are purists on here who believe that we can "leave" him and others to do the attacking and absolve them of defensive duties but thats absolutely pie in the sky against Dublin and the northern teams. I'd like to think we're beyond selectors getting their clubman on the side at this stage. The game is absolutely evolving to have forwards staying higher up the pitch. There is going to be less carrying and more kicking. I don't want Clifford inside our own half: that football is out of date. That is not to say that Geaney has the engine for WF - which does require massive tracking back as far as I understand it. I don't think S&C would have Geaney playing at WF for fitness. If Geaney is playing inside surely the fitness is a different fitness to the up and down the pitch fitness. Maybe Geaney is going to be a hold the line CF and that definitely needs some running and maybe Veteran is right after all. I don't really understand Geaney on the wing but trust the management will do what they think is best.
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Post by ataboy on May 29, 2021 18:10:44 GMT
You’re 100 percent correct. That was his last championship game, less than 2 years ago. He scored 4 points from play which made him joint top scorer from both teams on the day. He did that while playing a role that often involved coming out the field a lot and helping out the defence, covering a load of ground. He always starts a season slow and has a couple of very quiet games in the league but he has shown time and time again that he gets it right for the big days in the championship. Now in saying that, that wing forward role absolutely doesn’t suit him and he has to be played inside. He’s only 30 and has a lot left to give. It baffles me why so many people give out about him and call for him to be dropped. Killian Spillane and Brosnan are serious options as well but I’d find it very difficult to leave out Geaney. We saw Geaney feeding Clifford serious ball vs Mayo in 2019. That was possibly from a holding CF position. I don't really know enough about the game to understand if Geaney could play a holding CF and SOS also the CF somehow. Yes you can, Geaney is decent at that role. You play with 2 inside forwards and 2 CFs holding as such on the 40. Saying that Paudie Clifford is best suited to playing that role
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Post by ataboy on May 29, 2021 18:13:59 GMT
Surely it has to be Paudie Clifford at 11 with Geaney playing inside along Clifford and Brosnan. Also I’d be very surprised if Killian Spillane didn’t pick up an injury in that half against Dublin. You won't really see 3 inside forwards staying in. I would agree play Paudie Clifford at 11 and push PG further in, just a little deeper than Clifford and Brosnan but more central.
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Post by dc84 on May 29, 2021 20:04:04 GMT
Good craic in the Ulster div 1 at the moment, all 4 with a chance of either relegation or semi finals! Does anyone else like this as a format ? I for one do wouldnt mind seeing it kept!
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Post by sullyschoice on May 29, 2021 20:25:23 GMT
I wouldn't think Cavan and Tipperary would be so keen.
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Post by kerryexile on May 29, 2021 21:01:40 GMT
Paudie Clifford has been a great addition to the squad. Paudie could be described as a "busy" player doing what needs to be done to give the team an advantage, a bit of a Paul Galvin. The centre forward's role is a more pivotal role asking questions of all areas of defence. Remember Seanie's kick against Dublin off the outside of his right boot, while he was running forward on the left wing, which sent the ball straight across to the centre, to change the point of attack. That is the centre forward role. Paudie will not give you that (at this early stage). Paul can give you that.
Great teams reach the point where players can interchange and when one is directing operations the others automatically fill the required roles. Kerry are not there just now but could be by the time we meet Dublin again in August.
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Post by tbrosnan on May 30, 2021 1:13:13 GMT
turn tg4 without the sound on tv and listen radio kerry on the internet tb
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Post by tbrosnan on May 30, 2021 1:27:31 GMT
i am in usa andspend summers in irelandbut year stuck acc travel restrictions iwas at my first all ireland in 1954 and every all ireland since 1998 when i retired hope to get going shortly p`g t b
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Post by tbrosnan on May 30, 2021 1:30:12 GMT
a great cite keeps me young tb
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 30, 2021 3:46:37 GMT
An All-England Champions League final played in Portugal and not an English man to be seen by the hundreds on millions watching on, with a German putting wan over on a Frenchman being the wan 'n' only score of the day - laddos have been taken off for cheeky scoring like that in parish leagues.
Ah what am I talking about, hadn't we a lazy goal like that lately, auld DC too lazy to bend down to lift the ball, sure the job was already done at that stage for we'll forgive him for giving us the nugget of a Champions League final for afters.
'Tiz at time like this I think Mick O'Connell knows what he is talking about!
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Post by ataboy on May 30, 2021 14:49:18 GMT
Would like to have seen Foley v Cox. A North Kerry battle.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 30, 2021 15:26:12 GMT
An All-England Champions League final played in Portugal and not an English man to be seen by the hundreds on millions watching on, with a German putting wan over on a Frenchman being the wan 'n' only score of the day - laddos have been taken off for cheeky scoring like that in parish leagues. Ah what am I talking about, hadn't we a lazy goal like that lately, auld DC too lazy to bend down to lift the ball, sure the job was already done at that stage for we'll forgive him for giving us the nugget of a Champions League final for afters. 'Tiz at time like this I think Mick O'Connell knows what he is talking about! What are you talking about. Chelsea had chilwell, James and mount in their starting 11. Man city had stones, foden and sterling. Soccer is a global game now. The best players play for the best clubs.
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Post by john4 on May 30, 2021 15:30:22 GMT
An All-England Champions League final played in Portugal and not an English man to be seen by the hundreds on millions watching on, with a German putting wan over on a Frenchman being the wan 'n' only score of the day - laddos have been taken off for cheeky scoring like that in parish leagues. Ah what am I talking about, hadn't we a lazy goal like that lately, auld DC too lazy to bend down to lift the ball, sure the job was already done at that stage for we'll forgive him for giving us the nugget of a Champions League final for afters. 'Tiz at time like this I think Mick O'Connell knows what he is talking about! What are you talking about. Chelsea had chilwell, James and mount in their starting 11. Man city had stones, foden and sterling. Soccer is a global game now. The best players play for the best clubs. They don't! They play for money!!
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on May 30, 2021 16:41:23 GMT
Very flat performance but played ball when needed. Morley was very unlucky to see red. This should be recinded.
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Post by southward on May 30, 2021 16:44:26 GMT
Very flat performance but played ball when needed. Morley was very unlucky to see red. This should be recinded. McQuillan should be rescinded. Fairly tortuous stuff for most of the game. Only really came to life after the red. Stephen O'Brien and Paudie Clifford were the standouts for me; different class, both of them.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 30, 2021 16:51:22 GMT
Moran very poor again I thought. Graeme o Sullivan was caught ball watching quiet a bit. Our half forward line was poor until Seanie came on. Pause Clifford did very well. Moreso after the red
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Post by The16thMan on May 30, 2021 17:02:43 GMT
Good win for Kerry despite a pretty flat performance for most of that game. Foley, DOC, SOB & P.Clifford the standout performers. I imagine it will be a much changed team for the semi-final vs Tyrone considering it'll be our last game before Championship Keane will want to get as close to a starting Championship XV out that day. A bit strange that the venue goes to a toss of a coin, it would surely have made sense to give the teams that finished 1st home advantage. Also Morley will surely have to get that red card appealed, seemed very harsh.
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Post by pillar on May 30, 2021 17:03:47 GMT
Nice to see Diarmuid O Connor pushing on and chipping in with a few points.Paudie Clifford very good again..Tyrone be a nice prep for Championship now
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 30, 2021 17:17:33 GMT
Diarmuid O’Connor and Paudie Clifford the standouts. Gavin Crowley the pick of the backs. An improvement from Geaney up front but Clifford didn’t hit his usual heights, missing an easy chance or two by his standards. I’d agree with the comments above on Moran and Graham O’Sullivan, Moran offered little while Graham O’Sullivan was caught out on 2 or 3 occasions. I thought Tom O’Sullivan looked rusty but first game back that’s to be expected. That red card for Morley wasn’t a red card whatever way you look at it, arguably wasn’t even a foul. It was great to see Joe O’Connor get a goal in his cameo of a debut. Fair play to him for getting in there and then going for it. Overall, a very sluggish performance, better will be needed against Tyrone.
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Post by dano on May 30, 2021 17:21:30 GMT
We missed Dara Moynihan. Roscommon frustrated Them at times but , when push came to shove, Kerry were able to answer. Harsh red card for T Morley. It won't stand up in court. Jason Foley was good I thought.. Great to see the Stacks debutant hitting the net. David Moran had a good game I thought.
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Post by colinsworth1 on May 30, 2021 17:39:37 GMT
Would like to have seen Foley v Cox. A North Kerry battle. The other north Kerry man was brilliant Brian Stack
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Post by taggert on May 30, 2021 17:48:01 GMT
Stack was a proper thorny wite and exactly the type of player Kerry are sadly missing. A majority of our defenders want to be up in the attack instesd of doung the dirty work minding the house. Very poor at the back, small in height save for Foley and easily brushed aside. Tom Sulluvan does his best wirk up the field as does Gavin White, as does Begley. Worrying.
Forwards at least settling - 5 bankers in Dara, Sean, Stephen, Paudie and David plus one from Tony, Killian, Paul and Tommy.
Paudie the star man today followed by Diarmuid.
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Post by taggert on May 30, 2021 17:48:26 GMT
...thorny wire....
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Post by colinsworth1 on May 30, 2021 19:01:16 GMT
Breen from what I saw really put his hand up Looks like his stock has risen dramatically today Not a moment too soon we need more options in defence Jason Foley I doubt ever had better day in the Kerry jersey Joe O Connor arrived late but boy did he use those minutes well Game may not have counted but we uncovered a few more options today
I though the Rossies had about 4 goal chinches today that they inexplicably did not exploit they’ll be no one unless they go for more goals
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 30, 2021 20:02:39 GMT
Would like to have seen Foley v Cox. A North Kerry battle. The other north Kerry man was brilliant Brian Stack What’s the connection?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 30, 2021 20:08:46 GMT
Breen from what I saw really put his hand up Looks like his stock has risen dramatically today Not a moment too soon we need more options in defence Jason Foley I doubt ever had better day in the Kerry jersey Joe O Connor arrived late but boy did he use those minutes well Game may not have counted but we uncovered a few more options today I though the Rossies had about 4 goal chinches today that they inexplicably did not exploit they’ll be no one unless they go for more goals Breen was solid if unspectacular. To be fair we’ll be very happy if our backs shut out their man and contribute to the overall defensive team effort. Is he an option as a starter for championship? Hard to know. He is relatively strong and very comfortable on the ball. My one concern would be pace. I think that’s a bit of an overstatement on Foley’s performance. He was good although with maybe one or two shaky moments. I personally thought his performances against Galway and Dublin were on a par if not superior. But as a whole I’ve been very very impressed with Foley. He is an option for number 3 although only I think if Morley is wanted at 6.
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Post by colinsworth1 on May 30, 2021 20:54:38 GMT
The other north Kerry man was brilliant Brian Stack What’s the connection? Brian s Grandfather Joe Stack was the postman For the Listowel / Duagh area for many years Brian Delivered today !!! 😆 His father John played for St Michaels College Listowel along side none other than the late great. P O Shea back around 1974
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on May 30, 2021 23:52:25 GMT
Paudie Clifford and Stephen O’Brien had really strong games today ... Diarmuid O’Connor also continues to build on a good league up to now. Jason Foley the best of the backs., Mike Breen was solid which I suppose is as good as can be expected for a debut ... I have high hopes for Mike as I think he is just what Kerry need .. a genuine non flashy solid defender who does all the basics well and covers across the back line. A potential center back in the years to come maybe not this year though.
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Post by kerryexile on May 31, 2021 9:33:00 GMT
Good performance, 2 league points and some positives regarding players. Like a lot of other people, I thought Mike Breen showed that he is a contender. He gets close to the forward and physically asserts himself. I thought that was exactly what Graham O'Sullivan did not do, he seemed to be yet another defender trying to shadow the forward from a metre away, effectively allowing the forward do what he wants. Jason Foley did well and used his height and strength well. If he repeats this in the remaining league game and in Munster he will make the position his own. Tadhg Morley works hard there but always seems to be putting out fires and never, to use an outdated phrase "Manning the square", resulting in goals like the one that O'Callaghan got when the ball hopped away from Brian O'Beaglaoich.
Gavin Crowley's performances continue to improve and Diarmuid continues to blossom. Ronan Buckley is a good honest footballer but unlikely to beat off the competition and become a regular. Paudie has probably nailed down that starting position. David Clifford was not up to his normal very high standards and I suppose it is unfair to expect that in every single game but I wonder is there an overlap between his role and Tony Brosnan's role. They are both lethal finishers and most players will readily offload to them to make/finish a score. Have we two players doing the same job, reducing the contributions of both?
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Post by dc84 on May 31, 2021 10:00:02 GMT
I thought we looked like a team that had done a h3avy training session during the week following pur first two games in 6 months. It was evident to me also the anger and fire of the previous two games wasnt there until the red card (phantom). Where we stepped up a gear and they couldn't match us. All in all a grand day at the office dont really think any of the newbies really stepped up but they will all learn from that game. O'Brien was MotM for me showed Excatly what he brings to the team, foley and the much maligned o'beaglaoich were the pick of the backs o' Connor in mf and paudie Clifford and o brien upfront. Geaney looked better to me but the opposition has to be taken into account.
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