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Post by westgaa on Jul 16, 2021 8:30:20 GMT
How everyone thinks Paul O Shea was a class above everyone last night is beyond me, taught he had an average game, lost the ball a number of times in the 1st half, one that stands out is the cork goal before half time and the chance at the end he will be disappointed with that, he is a top player and will be for Kerry but just not last night.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 16, 2021 8:47:27 GMT
For me the prospect of Diarmuid OConnor and Paul OShea as our midfielders in the next few years is very exciting.
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Post by piggott on Jul 16, 2021 8:48:22 GMT
Did Paul O'Shea train with under 20s or is he inside with Seniors?
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Post by veteran on Jul 16, 2021 9:59:52 GMT
Givehimaball, thanks for your effort at clarifying this footblock rule and I appreciate the inherent danger of a “genuine” foot block . However, I am still confused. As I said last night, my understanding was that a foot block resulted when the foot of the defender made contact with the foot of the attacker or at a minimum the ball was sandwiched between the two feet. Clearly, there is a potential for dangerous play there. Last night, if my recall is correct, the ball had traveled a foot or two before the defender. the enacted the block. Does that still constitute foul play? If it does, how far away from the player in possession must you be before you are allowed an attempted block with your foot. If the answer is you are never allowed an attempted block with your foot then the rule is crystal clear. On the other hand , if you are allowed an attempted block , for example , a yard or so away then the rule becomes muddy.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 16, 2021 10:02:03 GMT
Why did our lads not play with clubs for the last few months, its shocking and costs us the whole time, wrapping these lads in cotton wool, lack of match sharpness was very obvious, cork lads were playing with clubs up until last week we were informed leaving the ground, Kerry players have to be minded the whole time every year, let them play ball. This hits the nail on the head - county league games would have honed the sharpness & competitive edge - cannot replicate that in training/challenge games. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 16, 2021 10:14:40 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40338347.htmlThis is a laughable article from Leen. Praises O’Sullivan to the hilt and backs him to be the next Kerry manager. Fitzmaurice is the only other candidate according to Leen. The only surprise is that he did not mention Diarmuid Murphy also. I can see Declan being the next manager for sure but in my opinion Keane will be offered a second term provided we at lrast reach an All Ireland final.. he took over a team that was knocked out at Super 8 stage in 2018 and apart from a few has built his own team and implemented his own style. Apart from that freak result to Cork, Keane has done well.. played Dublin 5 times and only lost once in the AI replay, drawing 3 times and wining a league game in Tralee. Got 2 league trophies and lost the final in his 1st year to Mayo, so undoubtedly Kerry have been 2nd best in the country since Keane took over and are (in my opinion taking over slowly at no.1). So my point is, why are people saying Keane has to prove himself yet when I think over 3 seasons he has so far. (Sorry admin for the non U20 post). We have to hope Peter Keane manages to get over the line this year and stays on because there is absolutely no decent alternative. Pat O’Shea is the only one and it’s unlikely he’d want it. Declan might be an option in a few years but not at the moment, he has an awful lot to learn. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2021 10:34:08 GMT
Why did our lads not play with clubs for the last few months, its shocking and costs us the whole time, wrapping these lads in cotton wool, lack of match sharpness was very obvious, cork lads were playing with clubs up until last week we were informed leaving the ground, Kerry players have to be minded the whole time every year, let them play ball. This hits the nail on the head - county league games would have honed the sharpness & competitive edge - cannot replicate that in training/challenge games. Kerry dont seem to be able to get it right in this grade. Each year a different way of losing is found. I am not sure if this year is the first year that players didnt play with clubs. Maybe someone could confirm. I imagine most of Kerry players are outside Kerry in college, insofar as its possible at present. How many games would they have been able to play with clubs if they were allowed to play. I agree that games are what hones sharpness. Cork have never been far away at minor level though and won an all ireland too |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2021 10:41:08 GMT
Tony Leen: Declan O’Sullivan’s managerial debut with Kerry ends in acute disappointment
Kingdom legend from Dromid is viewed as a candidate for the senior post - though not yet. Which begs the question: who will replace Peter Keane?
Tony Leen: Declan O’Sullivan’s managerial debut with Kerry ends in acute disappointment
SIDELINE VIEW: Kerry U20 manager Declan O'Sullivan at Páirc Uí Chaoimh on Thursday night. Picture: Matt Browne, Sportsfile
THU, 15 JUL, 2021 - 23:34
TONY LEEN, PAIRC UI CHAOIMH
THE trouble with glorious talent is you don't get to bring it to the half-life on the far side of football's boundary lines.
Declan O'Sullivan stood in the Páirc Ui Chaimh technical area Thursday night, stoic and arms folded, willing his Kerry Under 20 charges to be possessed of the same poise and nous he displayed in eleven garlanded seasons in green and gold. Alas, it was nowhere to be found.
If the Munster semi-final cracker at Pairc Ui Chaoimh was hardly an audition for O’Sullivan as the next Kerry senior football manager, it was also the first time most of the Kerry public had seen a side trained by the Dromid legend perform in a pressure pot.
The dramatic 3-12 to 3-11 defeat to Cork is a blow for sure, if not to O’Sullivan’s suitability for the big job down the line, certainly to the notion that an U20 All-Ireland title this year would expedite the process.
So who is the next Kerry senior football manager? Peter Keane’s three-year term, truncated and asterisked for various reasons, concludes next month. Without a 38th All-Ireland, he’ll hardly be in situ for a fourth campaign.
Candidates aren’t forming an orderly queue outside Austin Stack Park, the administrative HQ of Kerry GAA. Keane was appointed straight out of the minor bubble in 2019 when the only realistic alternative to replacing Eamonn Fitzmaurice was reverting to Jack O’Connor for a third spell in charge.
Remember, Fitzmaurice had been in the hot seat for six seasons. Three summers after his departure, the anticipated breadth of candidates hasn’t materialised in the home of football. Over a decade, the Kingdom’s reservoir of managerial options has remained stubbornly shallow.
One is moved to suggest this is as much societal as sporting. If the inter-county coaching and managerial demands are obviously more glamorous and rewarding than the club trudge, it’s also more crucifying. And mortifying. And for almost everyone, unsuccessful.
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Not many years ago in Kerry, there was an idealist's shortlist featuring some of the Kingdom brighter minds and folk heroes of the noughties – Seamus Moynihan, Dara O Cinnéide and Declan O’Sullivan. Tomas Ó Sé looks like he could make shapes in that regard too, but any respectable gathering of Kerry football folk would reach a consensus on O’Sullivan as a favoured candidate – if not for a couple of years yet.
To many, Fitzmaurice remains the optimum candidate for the position but his appetite for a return is questionable after the manner in which he was treated last time out. His professional and family circumstances have changed too.
For sure, Declan O’Sullivan is a creditable candidate and, importantly in the land of precious little patience, has credit in the bank. Along with former Dr. Crokes stalwart John Galvin – who coached South Kerry to county championships – the duo brought their double act with Dromid to the inter-county crucible this year after John Sugrue stepped down. They’ve also added Sean O’Sullivan from Cromane.
O’Sullivan was busy shaking things up in a damaging third quarter for Kerry on Thursday as Cork went seven ahead before a second yellow for their defender Colm O’Donovan led to a Kerry goal from a penalty.
With ten of last year’s Munster-winning squad available to him, O’Sullivan might have imagined their experience would reel Cork in over the final 15 minutes. Remember too that there's been a number of All-Ireland minor winners feeding into this group. However, many bad choices in many promising positions made that unlikely and put Kerry, as O'Sullivan described it, "in troublesome spots."
For instance, the lively corner forwards Ruairi O Beaglaoich and Conor Hayes got on oodles of good possession but wasted it. Their defence handed the ball back to Cork for their second goal, emphatically finished by Corbett. And when an equalising goal seemed a formality in the dying minutes, a stretching Paul O'Shea tipped the ball onto and over the crossbar rather than under it.
Reflecting their manager's tenacity, Kerry almost forced extra time. In the final seconds, O’Shea again surged through with the chance to force twenty more minutes, but his off-balance effort sailed wide.
Immense credit must go to Keith Ricken’s Cork side for their swift and deadly finish to the game. A stunning fetch from a kick out by Brian Hayes found its way to sub, Ciaran O’Sullivan and the Kilshannig man fisted the winner on the run in the 64th minute. Had they not been reduced to fourteen, their passage through to a provincial final against Tipperary might have been more straightforward.
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Keith Ricken: 'In the last few minutes, there was absolutely no plan. They just had to dig it out'
Kerry are in another All-Ireland minor final, the 2020 version, this Sunday in Tullamore so the production line has hardly stalled. But their lack of success at the Under 20 (or U21) grade is perplexing and an obvious cause for concern. They haven’t won an All-Ireland (or even been in the final) in the grade since 2008 when Tommy Walsh and David Moran were in their pomp. Mick O’Dwyer regularly beat the drum for All-Ireland U21 success over minor in terms of future success.
By that metric, Kerry's barren senior run isn't at an end.
O’Sullivan won't be judged ’s second half’s alterations were as timely as they were required; the visitors were a clear second best after the break at Páirc Ui Chaoimh. However, the replacements didn’t click or have the desired effect. They also continued the trend of poor decision-making on the ball.
It was that sort of evening for the Kingdom and O’Sullivan. They manufactured countless promising situations in both halves but failed to capitalise. And they had no-one up top as tasty as Cork's Conor Corbett. More often than not down the years, Kerry produced stellar attacking talent to bail them out of tight spots but as Cork owned the third quarter, the excellence of Jack Cahalane and Corbett embellished the work from back to front. Corbett, from Clyda Rovers outside Mallow, is a stellar prospect with 2-4 again at Pairc Ui Chaoimh.
In 2012, Cork prevailed in this competition in Tralee against the Kingdom, 2-12 to 1-14 after extra time. It was Eamonn Fitzmaurice’s first venture into inter-county management and a sore experience. That autumn he was appointed senior manager at 36. Who gathers the Kerry seniors to order in 2022 appears to be very much up in the air.
As he made for the county bounds Thursday night, that was likely the furthest thing from Declan O'Sullivan's mind.
Others, though, are checking the levels in that reservoir.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 16, 2021 10:52:00 GMT
This hits the nail on the head - county league games would have honed the sharpness & competitive edge - cannot replicate that in training/challenge games. Kerry dont seem to be able to get it right in this grade. Each year a different way of losing is found. I am not sure if this year is the first year that players didnt play with clubs. Maybe someone could confirm. I imagine most of Kerry players are outside Kerry in college, insofar as its possible at present. How many games would they have been able to play with clubs if they were allowed to play. I agree that games are what hones sharpness. Cork have never been far away at minor level though and won an all ireland too In years gone by the U21s was played in March and April so players would not have played for their clubs for as long as Kerry were involved. I seem to remember the last time Kerry won it that the first round of the club championships was cancelled for teams with players on the U21 panel. The players could have played in 3 county league games over 5 weekends with the last game being 11 days before last nights game. Maybe they could have been pulled for R3 but allowed play the first two rounds. This may have messed up training preparations/internal games however. |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 16, 2021 11:02:47 GMT
Great post match interview by Keith Ricken
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Post by peanuts on Jul 16, 2021 12:38:26 GMT
Great post match interview by Keith Ricken Great doesn't do it justice. I thought it was fantastic. |
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Post by dc84 on Jul 16, 2021 12:47:16 GMT
Great post match interview by Keith Ricken Great doesn't do it justice. I thought it was fantastic. Yeah Excatly the sort of fellow you would want in charge of a talented bunch of young players id say they will win it out again. On the penalty I fully believe it was a penalty foot blocks are so dangerous for both parties if o shea had followed through it could have been nasty ( I speak from experience unfortunately !) Maybe a bit harsh to see the line for it alright but what a mature statement by Mr.ricken more of that please ! |
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 16, 2021 15:28:57 GMT
Givehimaball, thanks for your effort at clarifying this footblock rule and I appreciate the inherent danger of a “genuine” foot block . However, I am still confused. As I said last night, my understanding was that a foot block resulted when the foot of the defender made contact with the foot of the attacker or at a minimum the ball was sandwiched between the two feet. Clearly, there is a potential for dangerous play there. Last night, if my recall is correct, the ball had traveled a foot or two before the defender. the enacted the block. Does that still constitute foul play? If it does, how far away from the player in possession must you be before you are allowed an attempted block with your foot. If the answer is you are never allowed an attempted block with your foot then the rule is crystal clear. On the other hand , if you are allowed an attempted block , for example , a yard or so away then the rule becomes muddy. Yeah the way the rule is written any block or attempt at a block no matter how far away is forbidden. In practice refs will over look the offence on occasion if the player making the foot block is a good way back/there is no other player around him. Also goal-keepers tend to get a lot more leeway than backs in regards to this rule, especially as regards saving shots with their feet. Basically the GAA have decided that players using their feet to block shots is just too dangerous and I agree. Also I should have made clearer last night - all foot blocks are automatic yellow card offences, so the referee has no choice on this - if he thinks it's a foot block or attempted foot block offence, he has to give a yellow. I have half a notion that there was some talk of giving the ref leeway on this [not making it an automatic yellow card] a few years back but the proposal was shot down very quickly from what I recall. |
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Post by crokes86 on Jul 16, 2021 17:07:23 GMT
Cork or Dublin to win it out I think
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Post by veteran on Jul 16, 2021 19:58:52 GMT
Givehimaball, thanks for further clarification on the foot block. It would appear that the referee was correct in his interpretation of the rule. I wonder how many more rules am I vague about. Several , I suspect.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 16, 2021 20:22:47 GMT
Cork or Dublin to win it out I think Wouldn't rule out mayo. Beat a Galway team on Thursday with a good few lads from last year's winning team. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 16, 2021 20:50:18 GMT
Cork or Dublin to win it out I think Dublin are not that special. |
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Post by veteran on Jul 17, 2021 15:28:17 GMT
Monaghan beat Donegal in Ulster u20 championship last pm. Their captain , Brendan Duffy, was killed in road traffic accident on way home from match. One of the greatest days of his young life has a diabolical end. Rest in peace, Brendan.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 17, 2021 18:36:27 GMT
Monaghan beat Donegal in Ulster u20 championship last pm. Their captain , Brendan Duffy, was killed in road traffic accident on way home from match. One of the greatest days of his young life has a diabolical end. Rest in peace, Brendan. so so very sad RIP young Duffy, a fab young fella by all accounts, condolences to your family and all in Monaghan. |
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Post by Moderator on Jul 17, 2021 19:29:43 GMT
Condolences to the young man's family and all who knew him.
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Post by Moderator on Jul 17, 2021 19:38:48 GMT
Yet again, threads wander off-topic into the virus area.
How clear can it be...no virus discussion allowed in any form, as it will only escalate into huge disagreements.
A few posts have been edited by me...if the author of any edited post has a problem with that, I invite them to delete the post entirely.
Thanks.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 24, 2021 12:00:24 GMT
Conor Corbett cork u20 did his cruciate very tough on him . I hope monaghan do the business after what they have gone through also they must be one of the best run counties in the country get the absolute most out of themselves these last 15 or so years.
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Post by veteran on Jul 24, 2021 12:46:18 GMT
That is a shame regarding Conor Corbett. As good as an underage player as Cork has produced in my time.
Talking about underage, Offaly had a young Bryant lad on their u20 team the other night. Back in the seventies they had a wonderful midfielder called Willie Bryant . Any relation I wonder?
Talking about black cats and black kittens, somebody here said there are sons of Johnny Crowley and Adrian Hassett on our current minor team. Will be interesting to see how they fare out.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 24, 2021 14:55:42 GMT
That is a shame regarding Conor Corbett. As good as an underage player as Cork has produced in my time. Talking about underage, Offaly had a young Bryant lad on their u20 team the other night. Back in the seventies they had a wonderful midfielder called Willie Bryant . Any relation I wonder? Talking about black cats and black kittens, somebody here said there are sons of Johnny Crowley and Adrian Hassett on our current minor team. Will be interesting to see how they fare out. Wasn’t Bryan the midfielder in ‘70s, no T?! |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 24, 2021 15:10:43 GMT
Talking about underage, Offaly had a young Bryant lad on their u20 team the other night. Back in the seventies they had a wonderful midfielder called Willie Bryant . Any relation I wonder? Not quite the same surnames. Bryan and Bryant. Cheers for you cheers for you Young Wille lad Youve brought the cup to Offaly And we are very glad... So went the song to accompany the Offaly win when Wille Bryan was captain |
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Post by veteran on Jul 24, 2021 15:37:14 GMT
That is a shame regarding Conor Corbett. As good as an underage player as Cork has produced in my time. Talking about underage, Offaly had a young Bryant lad on their u20 team the other night. Back in the seventies they had a wonderful midfielder called Willie Bryant . Any relation I wonder? Talking about black cats and black kittens, somebody here said there are sons of Johnny Crowley and Adrian Hassett on our current minor team. Will be interesting to see how they fare out. Wasn’t Bryan the midfielder in ‘70s, no T?! You are right , as Mickmack pointed out. The old memory is not as good as it once was. Either way, great to see Offaly making an impact again. Michael Duignan was appointed chairman last year and they are having a lot of success in both codes since. Obviously he has appointed some good people. |
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Post by Moderator on Jul 24, 2021 19:08:58 GMT
Offaly's centre half back was a John Furlong, grandson of Martin.
We all remember Martin.
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 31, 2021 16:54:34 GMT
Talk about Cork winning a supposed "Handy" All Ireland. At half time they're losing the U20 semi final 1-7 to 0-3 to Offaly.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 31, 2021 17:09:34 GMT
Talk about Cork winning a supposed "Handy" All Ireland. At half time they're losing the U20 semi final 1-7 to 0-3 to Offaly. Take Conor Corbett out of that side & their scoring threat is greatly reduced. |
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 31, 2021 17:41:06 GMT
Fair play to Ofally. Beat Cork 3-10 to 0-14.
They've beaten the Dubs and now Cork. They'll face Down or Roscommon in the Final.
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