Kerry U20 Footballers 2021

[Fado]

We were completely outplayed in the middle, changes should have been made.

[kerrybhoy06]

Jul 15, 2021 20:00:27 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Jul 15, 2021 19:57:57 GMT Deise Exile said:

dreadful handpassing and shocking miss at the end

I wouldn't be hard on him if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have got back into it.

He's a great player.

The amount of hospital passes out there was criminal.

Very good player but he seems to absolutely hate passing the ball

[mike70]

Mistake after mistake by both sides, more than likely down to the long layoff, cork were hard done by the sending off, but Corbett was the difference.

[blacksheep21]

I didn’t think o Shea was great either. He did a few nice things but plenty of mistakes also.

[gamechanger10]

Shocking interplay and the failure to execute the basic skills was inexcusable at this level. It will be a hard game for both players and management to review but it will have to be done, so many gilt edged chances wasted and a game we should have won,,

[royalkerryfan]

Jul 15, 2021 20:08:28 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

Jul 15, 2021 20:00:27 GMT royalkerryfan said:

I wouldn't be hard on him if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have got back into it.

He's a great player.

The amount of hospital passes out there was criminal.

Very good player but he seems to absolutely hate passing the ball

Looking at the decision making around him I don't blame him.

I felt he did let the ball off infact he played one absolutely peach of a foot pass to Lyne which he fumbled uncontested and lost possession.

That's one frustrating game.

[Kerryman Randy Savage]

The Kerry lads passing was poor. The amount of wasted ball in the 3rd quarter cost us. Cork deserved their win because they actually did the basics right more often than us. It's a pity that the year is over as the team know they are better than tonight.

[mike70]

Jul 15, 2021 20:15:43 GMT blacksheep21 said:

I didn’t think o Shea was great either. He did a few nice things but plenty of mistakes also.

Agree, we expected more from him, not his best performance, even out side the last miss.

[Whosinmidfield]

Unbelievable amount of unforced errors as already said. I thought management were poor enough too though. This messing with playing Paul O’Shea anywhere but one of the 2 midfield positions is ridiculous. Eoghan O’Sullivan’s positioning at centre back was a mistake as he is a ball playing wing back, didn’t have the physicality for the centre. There was one player picked from nowhere who just didn’t show anything at all today to suggest he is at this level. Finally this obsession with small, light forwards doesn’t work. We’d way too many of these playing at the same time and brought on another even. They are good playing with other physically stronger forwards around them but you can’t have them all playing together. Quilter, Walsh and Darcy at least could hold their own physically. I think if we’d set up right we’d definitely have the beating of Cork as shown by periods in the first half and the comeback. So frustrating, failure again at this level.

[brigid]

2019 Kerry defeated Galway in the u17 final. But in the first half Galway won the breaking ball 9 times out of 12. 3 years later Kerry failed once again to win breaking ball in the first 20 minutes. A job for some coaches or else Kerry will not get any potential good players from this U20 team.

[augustafield]

Headless chickens running around comes to mind watching that
inept Kerry display tonight . They played like they only met each
other for the first time a few days ago . The common thread running
through their performance was the litany of misplaced passes , passes
to a colleague being tightly marked by a Corkman and a constant inability
to hold onto the ball being too easily dispossessed .

For all that the coaching has to shoulder the blame . Sorry to say but
Kerry got no more than they deserved .

[kerrybhoy06]

Jul 15, 2021 20:30:47 GMT brigid said:

2019 Kerry defeated Galway in the u17 final. But in the first half Galway won the breaking ball 9 times out of 12. 3 years later Kerry failed once again to win breaking ball in the first 20 minutes. A job for some coaches or else Kerry will not get any potential good players from this U20 team.

When I mentioned poorly coached earlier I specifically meant the breaks.
Watch back how cork position themselves for kick outs with the jumper in front and breaker facing him so the jumper either catches it cleanly or the cork man gets the break.

Very basic set up but Kerry didn’t seem to cop it.
A kick out is a set piece that we just haven’t seen to have gotten our heads around at any level just yet

[Whosinmidfield]

Jul 15, 2021 20:34:34 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

Jul 15, 2021 20:30:47 GMT brigid said:

2019 Kerry defeated Galway in the u17 final. But in the first half Galway won the breaking ball 9 times out of 12. 3 years later Kerry failed once again to win breaking ball in the first 20 minutes. A job for some coaches or else Kerry will not get any potential good players from this U20 team.

When I mentioned poorly coached earlier I specifically meant the breaks.
Watch back how cork position themselves for kick outs with the jumper in front and breaker facing him so the jumper either catches it cleanly or the cork man gets the break.

Very basic set up but Kerry didn’t seem to cop it.
A kick out is a set piece that we just haven’t seen to have gotten our heads around at any level just yet

We won 21 out of 25 which is 84 percent of our own kickouts and we won 9 out of Cork’s 22 which is 40 percent of Cork’s kickouts so the kickout certainly wasn’t our problem. We actually comprehensively beat Cork in the kickout battle but we gave it away (25 times to Cork’s 16) so much after it didn’t matter.

[royalkerryfan]

I recall a interview on off the ball with Sean O'Sullivan and he was incredibly frustrated with the lack of communication from the GAA regarding the plan for the under 20s.

I reckon the lack of group training was incredibly frustrating for the management.
It's not the same as senior where lads have a better understanding of what they need to do individually.

I know it was the same for Cork but I'd give the management a break.

[kerrybhoy06]

Jul 15, 2021 20:42:46 GMT Whosinmidfield said:

Jul 15, 2021 20:34:34 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

When I mentioned poorly coached earlier I specifically meant the breaks.
Watch back how cork position themselves for kick outs with the jumper in front and breaker facing him so the jumper either catches it cleanly or the cork man gets the break.

Very basic set up but Kerry didn’t seem to cop it.
A kick out is a set piece that we just haven’t seen to have gotten our heads around at any level just yet

We won 21 out of 25 which is 84 percent of our own kickouts and we won 9 out of Cork’s 22 which is 40 percent of Cork’s kickouts so the kickout certainly wasn’t our problem. We actually comprehensively beat Cork in the kickout battle but we gave it away (25 times to Cork’s 16) so much after it didn’t matter.

We won kick outs that we kicked 10 yards so breaks don’t come into it.
Your quoting stats without context here and we only really turned the screw on their kick out when a man up.

[veteran]

While Kerry could have snatched it , I felt Cork were deserving winners. It reflected well on them that he held on being a man short. In my view the penalty was harsh. I was always under the impression that foot block resulted when the defender’s foot made contact with the attacker’s foot while the latter was in the act of kicking the ball, in other words that defender’s foot made contact with the ball before the ball had left the attacker’s foot. In the case tonight , the ball had left Paul’s foot before it was blocked . In any case , wasn’t the penalty enough punishment without having to give the young Cork man a second yellow as well. Indeed the referee was too fussy all through in a match where there was not an ounce of malice.

As I said , we could have snatched it but failed chiefly in the end because of a sequence of appalling misplaced passes. On the other hand , the. Cork backs were in like jackals to gobble up those inaccurate passes. It must also be said that four or five of our lads were not good enough for this level and in that context management were a little slow making changes..

I would not blame Paul for that last minute miss. That has happened far more experienced players and remember it was he who dragged us back into the game when we were groggy. Also, what is this fetish our under 20 management teams have about not playing him for the full match at midfield. A couple of years ago when they won the minor title I saw all their games and while he wore the number eleven jersey he played all the games at midfield where he was the dominant figure in each game .

One final point , why is it that in all grades in most games our kicks out border on the nightmarish. If the goalie feels he cannot safely dispatch a short one , surely the sensible thing to do is to kick out as far as possible and hope for the best rather than taking a chance with a short one . Perhaps , that is too basic , too old schoolish.

[kerrybhoy06]

Just on the above Veteran, what I would add is that if a team are going to go short then they need to have a clear plan of how to work it up the field.
We seemed to also lack that as Cork just packed 4 to 6 bodies into the central third of the pitch and we ran headfirst into them a lot of the time or hand passed it away.

[Whosinmidfield]

Jul 15, 2021 20:50:14 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

Jul 15, 2021 20:42:46 GMT Whosinmidfield said:

We won 21 out of 25 which is 84 percent of our own kickouts and we won 9 out of Cork’s 22 which is 40 percent of Cork’s kickouts so the kickout certainly wasn’t our problem. We actually comprehensively beat Cork in the kickout battle but we gave it away (25 times to Cork’s 16) so much after it didn’t matter.

We won kick outs that we kicked 10 yards so breaks don’t come into it.
Your quoting stats without context here and we only really turned the screw on their kick out when a man up.

Ok that’s fine but to win 40 percent of the opposition’s kickout is very impressive and not all of that was after the Cork back was sent off. It just didn’t appear to me that winning breaks was a major problem.

[givehimaball]

Jul 15, 2021 21:08:37 GMT veteran said:

In my view the penalty was harsh. I was always under the impression that foot block resulted when the defender’s foot made contact with the attacker’s foot while the latter was in the act of kicking the ball, in other words that defender’s foot made contact with the ball before the ball had left the attacker’s foot. In the case tonight , the ball had left Paul’s foot before it was blocked . In any case , wasn’t the penalty enough punishment without having to give the young Cork man a second yellow as well. Indeed the referee was too fussy all through in a match where there was not an ounce of malice.

As I said , we could have snatched it but failed chiefly in the end because of a sequence of appalling misplaced passes. On the other hand , the. Cork backs were in like jackals to gobble up those inaccurate passes. It must also be said that four or five of our lads were not good enough for this level and in that context management were a little slow making changes..

I would not blame Paul for that last minute miss. That has happened far more experienced players and remember it was he who dragged us back into the game when we were groggy. Also, what is this fetish our under 20 management teams have about not playing him for the full match at midfield. A couple of years ago when they won the minor title I saw all their games and while he wore the number eleven jersey he played all the games at midfield where he was the dominant figure in each game .

One final point , why is it that in all grades in most games our kicks out border on the nightmarish. If the goalie feels he cannot safely dispatch a short one , surely the sensible thing to do is to kick out as far as possible and hope for the best rather than taking a chance with a short one . Perhaps , that is too basic , too old schoolish.

5.1 To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).

The reason for the yellow is that in this case it was dangerous play. 100% the correct decision by the ref.

The reason that foot blocks are "harshly" reffed is that the potential for serious injury is very high if they go wrong.

It's actually one part of the GAA rule book that the powers that be have got right - because of the harsh punishment, you rarely see foot blocks in games.

If foot block challenges were reffed the same way as some other aspects of the game with a light touch approach, there would be a litany of injuries arising from them.

[westgaa]

Why did our lads not play with clubs for the last few months, its shocking and costs us the whole time, wrapping these lads in cotton wool, lack of match sharpness was very obvious, cork lads were playing with clubs up until last week we were informed leaving the ground, Kerry players have to be minded the whole time every year, let them play ball.

[eastwarrior]

It was a bitter defeat and no doubt one that will leave a sour taste in players mouths, considering that they had guilt edge chances to win the game. Realistically Cork we’re the better team and deserved the win. I think whosinmidfield said before the game we were too light on the full forward line and ultimately it cost us. I think we used our subs abit too late in the game they had no real chance to shine especially Darcy who looked dangerous when he came on. I guess the one good thing u can say is the team died with there boots on. I think Kerry did well on kickouts and our midfielders were probably our best 2 players. I think some of the inexperienced players we mentioned before the game didn’t take to the pressure but that’s something management couldn’t have known beforehand. I don’t think Kelliher could have done anything about the goals, a side note cork scored 2-2 in the first half off misplaced Kerry passes. I think MacCarthy and Fitzgerald were the best of our defence and 1 of the 2 should have been moved onto corbet which I felt was abit naive by management to leave Moriarty on him. Up front it just didn’t click we could never pull off that final pass and the cork defence loved the tight spaces we played into. Ultimately it’s a learning curve for the team and management. Hopefully, lads will keep the head up and see a few of them playing senior football in a few years.

[misteallaigh abú]

Much as it pains me to say it, Cork were deserving winners. We made too many mistakes and our decision making was very poor, at times. We could have won it in the end, a gilt edged goal chance and point chance went a begging. The cork half back line had us in all sorts of trouble from early enough in the first half and they hounded our players into submission, at times. Cork were very impressive around the middle and Conor Corbett was superb all through. It’s a pity we lost, we could have won it but on balance it would have been an injustice if we did.

[kerryexile]

Very hard to explain how a team with with so many extremely talented players could play so badly. They seemed to be very poorly prepared. A team like that only needs to be told go out and play. They played as if no one knew when they got possession what the next step was. There was no confidence instilled in them. Paul Walsh came on at 58:50 and went on to show that he was getting to the pace of the game but 70 seconds of official time is very little. A lot of expensive lessons learned most of all by the County Board.

[blacksheep21]

www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40338347.html

This is a laughable article from Leen.

Praises O’Sullivan to the hilt and backs him to be the next Kerry manager. Fitzmaurice is the only other candidate according to Leen. The only surprise is that he did not mention Diarmuid Murphy also.

[The16thMan]

Jul 16, 2021 0:13:50 GMT blacksheep21 said:

www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40338347.html

This is a laughable article from Leen.

Praises O’Sullivan to the hilt and backs him to be the next Kerry manager. Fitzmaurice is the only other candidate according to Leen. The only surprise is that he did not mention Diarmuid Murphy also.

I can see Declan being the next manager for sure but in my opinion Keane will be offered a second term provided we at lrast reach an All Ireland final.. he took over a team that was knocked out at Super 8 stage in 2018 and apart from a few has built his own team and implemented his own style. Apart from that freak result to Cork, Keane has done well.. played Dublin 5 times and only lost once in the AI replay, drawing 3 times and wining a league game in Tralee. Got 2 league trophies and lost the final in his 1st year to Mayo, so undoubtedly Kerry have been 2nd best in the country since Keane took over and are (in my opinion taking over slowly at no.1). So my point is, why are people saying Keane has to prove himself yet when I think over 3 seasons he has so far. (Sorry admin for the non U20 post).

[kerryeastcoastusa]

Jul 16, 2021 0:13:50 GMT blacksheep21 said:

www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40338347.html

This is a laughable article from Leen.

Praises O’Sullivan to the hilt and backs him to be the next Kerry manager. Fitzmaurice is the only other candidate according to Leen. The only surprise is that he did not mention Diarmuid Murphy also.

What a pathetic article ... looks to me like an article written prior to the game and he was expecting a different result then when that result didn’t happen just changed the intro and kept the rest.....

[crokes86]

Very poor performance. Our u21 record against Cork and in general was shocking and it seems to be going the same way at U20 .
Our last u21 title was 2008 which is shocking for a county like Kerry

Our U20 record terrible also . Worrying times .

[blacksheep21]

I would not read too much into last nights game and the u20s in general. We would have won a few more if O Connor, O Shea and Clifford had played. Kerry are bringing through the players from the 2014-2017 minor teams quite well. I reckon 10 of those who started against tipp last Saturday were part of these teams.This is a Kerry team who most rate amongst the best two teams in the country so it is not like we can say we are not beginning to reap the benefits. The team in our way are regarded as one of the greatest Irish sporting teams of all time so far from straightforward.

My memory of the 2018 minor team was of a team with great character and heart but lacking the individual class of the other successful minor teams other than Paul O Shea. Last nights result was not a major shock.

[leesider]

That was never a penalty. If you watch the replay again no way was that a foot-block. And then to send him off as well was a joke. Justice was done in the end.

[buck02]

Conor Corbett is a top footballer. If Kerry had robbed a win last night I think we might have seen him on Sunday week in Killarney. So maybe a case of every cloud...